Arthur Abraham: Talking Pavlik smack...

Abraham comments on Pavlik loss!
"That was a boxing lesson for Kelly Pavlik," said IBF middleweight champion Arthur Abraham, commenting on previously unbeaten WBC/WBO champion Kelly Pavlik's unexpected loss in a non-title fight to 43-year-old former champ Bernard Hopkins over the weekend. "During the whole fight he never had the slightest chance to hurt Hopkins. Once again it showed that inside the ring you don't have to be the stronger or the younger boxer –- the most intelligent will always win, and Hopkins certainly was more intelligent." As for his future plans, Abraham said, "I will make my mandatory defense against Raul Marquez, [then] I will be happy to come to the USA in February to battle it out for the super championship with Kelly Pavlik –- if Kelly still has enough power and the courage to fight me."


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This punk... He's a good fighter but he's fighting the Raul Marquezes of the world while Kelly is fighting the JTs and Hopkins of the world... This guy's a punk(skilled punk but still a punk)

I want this fight... This would be a great fight for Pavlik. I'd like him to notch a tune up at 160 but this fight needs to happen. I Hate Abraham with his gay crown... He looks like he just ordered a kids meal from burger king...

Abrahams via KO.

Rematching Miranda on Seminole grounds in Florida should really dispel the notion that he is a "punk". Starting to think he'd be the smart pick in a Pavlik fight as well, not sure.

This fight is tough for me... I'm not sure. Arthur moves and boxes well... He's not all that crafty but moves well...

Kelly is going to be the favorite I'm sure...

I love Kelly and Hate Abraham but I'm gonna go AA Split Decision...

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Originally Posted by p4pking

Rematching Miranda on Seminole grounds in Florida should really dispel the notion that he is a "punk". Starting to think he'd be the smart pick in a Pavlik fight as well, not sure.

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no... he's still a punk but I pick him over Pavlik in this fight

You will not see Pavlik fight him anytime soon. Not only is the fight far less marketable due to Pavlik's loss, but no way will Pavlik's team put him in with Abraham until Pavlik gets some confidence building fights under him now.

You might see it late next year, but Rubio will be next for sure.

Pavlik has nothing to build upon from his last fight. He saw 0 success in every round. There is nothing there for him to say "Well I could have done more of this or that". He will be very nervous going into his next fight also. He will be questioning himself for at least a couple fights.

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

You will not see Pavlik fight him anytime soon. Not only is the fight far less marketable due to Pavlik's loss, but no way will Pavlik's team put him in with Abraham until Pavlik gets some confidence building fights under him now.

You might see it late next year, but Rubio will be next for sure.

Pavlik has nothing to build upon in his last fight. He saw 0 success in every round. There is nothing there for him to say "Well I could have done more of this or that". He will be very nervous going into his next fight also. He will be questioning himself for at least a couple fights.

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Agreed. I'm not saying he should do it now... He needs some notches in his belt. Rubio is his mandatory anyway.

Bit harsh slating Abraham for fighting his mandatory considering he just fought Miranda and said he'll fight Pavlik next.

Pavlik just fought Lockett before Hopkins.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Bit harsh slating Abraham for fighting his mandatory considering he just fought Miranda and said he'll fight Pavlik next.

Pavlik just fought Lockett before Hopkins.

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Bit harsh to slate any fighter for anything related to the sport when you think about it.

I still think Pavlik will win but Abraham does have the power to hurt him. It's a different style matchup entirely but it is a fight I want to see. And while I don't think he will win, I wouldn't mind either of these guys fighting Raul Marquez.

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

Abraham comments on Pavlik loss!
"That was a boxing lesson for Kelly Pavlik," said IBF middleweight champion Arthur Abraham, commenting on previously unbeaten WBC/WBO champion Kelly Pavlik's unexpected loss in a non-title fight to 43-year-old former champ Bernard Hopkins over the weekend. "During the whole fight he never had the slightest chance to hurt Hopkins. Once again it showed that inside the ring you don't have to be the stronger or the younger boxer –- the most intelligent will always win, and Hopkins certainly was more intelligent." As for his future plans, Abraham said, "I will make my mandatory defense against Raul Marquez, [then] I will be happy to come to the USA in February to battle it out for the super championship with Kelly Pavlik –- if Kelly still has enough power and the courage to fight me."


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This punk... He's a good fighter but he's fighting the Raul Marquezes of the world while Kelly is fighting the JTs and Hopkins of the world... This guy's a punk(skilled punk but still a punk)

I want this fight... This would be a great fight for Pavlik. I'd like him to notch a tune up at 160 but this fight needs to happen. I Hate Abraham with his gay crown... He looks like he just ordered a kids meal from burger king...

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Remember a couple years ago when Arthur would come to the ring with a giant penis on his head, but then got sued by the creator of the smurf's and had to stop doing it anymore?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Bit harsh slating Abraham for fighting his mandatory considering he just fought Miranda and said he'll fight Pavlik next.

Pavlik just fought Lockett before Hopkins.

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Bit harsh to slate any fighter for anything related to the sport when you think about it.

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Well yeah.. but that would be far to sensible for an internet forum.

No fun if we all agree and there wasn't a group of idiots. ;D

I seriously feel like most people who will pick against Pavlik in this fight are still hungover from what happened in the Hopkins fight.. This will be a more relevant topic in the months to come..

Pavlik needs to learn how to move a bit better, and shorten up his punches, not always going for the knockout.. that will be the only way to beat AA..

I think that watching film on the AA/Miranda fight will be a plus for Pavlik as they both have the brawler styles.. If pavlik goes in there with that mindset he will lose to superior footwork and accuracy of AA..

Let's put it this way, if Pavlik hadn't fought Hopkins and lost, and went into the fight thinking he could brawl his way to victory, then he probably would've had a miserable defeat.. But knowing that he isn't invincible now, and that he needs to learn a few more tricks, I think he will have a much better chance to succeed if he fights AA..

I favor Pavlik 55/45..

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Bit harsh slating Abraham for fighting his mandatory considering he just fought Miranda and said he'll fight Pavlik next.

Pavlik just fought Lockett before Hopkins.

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Fenster, Christ... You know what I mean.

Abraham's most naotable fight was against Miranda... No? and Miranda busted his Jaw... Granted the fight was TOTALLY different the second time around.

Abraham showed his medal against all odds in the first fight(which I thought Miranda won)

What I'm saying is Pav has fought guys like Branco McKart, Zertuche, Taylor twice and Hopkins...

Howard Eastman and Edison Miranda are the two most notable names on his record. Raul Marquez will be the third. He has a bunch of fairly decent fighters... But names? Like 2 maybe three...

You know damn well I wasn't going after him for fighting his mandatory but simply saying that while Pavlik was fighting Zertuche, Miranda, Taylor, Taylor and Hopkins Abraham was fighting Sabastian Demers, Khoren Gevor, Wayne Elcock, Elvin Ayala and (his best name to date besides Eastman) Edison Miranda...

Hence like I said, he's, almost entirly, been fighting the Raul Marguezes of the world while Kelly has been fighting the Benard Hopkins...

FACT!

...and P4Pking, leave your high horse at home.

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

Abraham comments on Pavlik loss!
"That was a boxing lesson for Kelly Pavlik," said IBF middleweight champion Arthur Abraham, commenting on previously unbeaten WBC/WBO champion Kelly Pavlik's unexpected loss in a non-title fight to 43-year-old former champ Bernard Hopkins over the weekend. "During the whole fight he never had the slightest chance to hurt Hopkins. Once again it showed that inside the ring you don't have to be the stronger or the younger boxer –- the most intelligent will always win, and Hopkins certainly was more intelligent." As for his future plans, Abraham said, "I will make my mandatory defense against Raul Marquez, [then] I will be happy to come to the USA in February to battle it out for the super championship with Kelly Pavlik –- if Kelly still has enough power and the courage to fight me."


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This punk... He's a good fighter but he's fighting the Raul Marquezes of the world while Kelly is fighting the JTs and Hopkins of the world... This guy's a punk(skilled punk but still a punk)

I want this fight... This would be a great fight for Pavlik. I'd like him to notch a tune up at 160 but this fight needs to happen. I Hate Abraham with his gay crown... He looks like he just ordered a kids meal from burger king...

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Remember a couple years ago when Arthur would come to the ring with a giant penis on his head, but then got sued by the creator of the smurf's and had to stop doing it anymore?

http://www.dejuiced.com/wp-content/u...9/smurfhat.jpg

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nice. its kinda hard to say who wins, but i know i still favor kelly and abraham isnt no HOPKINS. but this fight aint gonna happen till mid or late next year. so were gonna have to wait.

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

This fight is tough for me... I'm not sure. Arthur moves and boxes well... He's not all that crafty but moves well...

Kelly is going to be the favorite I'm sure...

I love Kelly and Hate Abraham but I'm gonna go AA Split Decision...

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Arthur likes to rest for 2 minutes of each round pretty much. Likes to lay on the ropes and go into a shell. Thats all the team Kelly needs to plant his feet and do his best work. Kelly wins on activity alone if arthur fights the way he usually does.

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Originally Posted by amat

I still think Pavlik will win but Abraham does have the power to hurt him. It's a different style matchup entirely but it is a fight I want to see. And while I don't think he will win, I wouldn't mind either of these guys fighting Raul Marquez.

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Yeah, he sure does have the power. I thought he was nuts to move up to 166 to give Miranda another shot & he blew him away. I thought Kelly would be the big fav but now I'm not so sure any more. Arthur actually looked good over 160.

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

This fight is tough for me... I'm not sure. Arthur moves and boxes well... He's not all that crafty but moves well...

Kelly is going to be the favorite I'm sure...

I love Kelly and Hate Abraham but I'm gonna go AA Split Decision...

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Arthur likes to rest for 2 minutes of each round pretty much. Likes to lay on the ropes and go into a shell. Thats all the team Kelly needs to plant his feet and do his best work. Kelly wins on activity alone if arthur fights the way he usually does.

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Well, we'll see... If we've seenthat enough lateral movement is enough to stimey Kelly...

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Bit harsh slating Abraham for fighting his mandatory considering he just fought Miranda and said he'll fight Pavlik next.

Pavlik just fought Lockett before Hopkins.

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Fenster, Christ... You know what I mean.

Abraham's most naotable fight was against Miranda... No? and Miranda busted his Jaw... Granted the fight was TOTALLY different the second time around.

Abraham showed his medal against all odds in the first fight(which I thought Miranda won)

What I'm saying is Pav has fought guys like Branco McKart, Zertuche, Taylor twice and Hopkins...

Howard Eastman and Edison Miranda are the two most notable names on his record. Raul Marquez will be the third. He has a bunch of fairly decent fighters... But names? Like 2 maybe three...

You know damn well I wasn't going after him for fighting his mandatory but simply saying that while Pavlik was fighting Zertuche, Miranda, Taylor, Taylor and Hopkins Abraham was fighting Sabastian Demers, Khoren Gevor, Wayne Elcock, Elvin Ayala and (his best name to date besides Eastman) Edison Miranda...

Hence like I said, he's, almost entirly, been fighting the Raul Marguezes of the world while Kelly has been fighting the Benard Hopkins...

FACT!

...and P4Pking, leave your high horse at home.

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Blimey, calm down mate, i wasn't having a pop at you. Fact. ;D

I just thought Abraham was saying he is willing to fight Kelly after the mandatory, thats all. ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Bit harsh slating Abraham for fighting his mandatory considering he just fought Miranda and said he'll fight Pavlik next.

Pavlik just fought Lockett before Hopkins.

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Fenster, Christ... You know what I mean.

Abraham's most naotable fight was against Miranda... No? and Miranda busted his Jaw... Granted the fight was TOTALLY different the second time around.

Abraham showed his medal against all odds in the first fight(which I thought Miranda won)

What I'm saying is Pav has fought guys like Branco McKart, Zertuche, Taylor twice and Hopkins...

Howard Eastman and Edison Miranda are the two most notable names on his record. Raul Marquez will be the third. He has a bunch of fairly decent fighters... But names? Like 2 maybe three...

You know damn well I wasn't going after him for fighting his mandatory but simply saying that while Pavlik was fighting Zertuche, Miranda, Taylor, Taylor and Hopkins Abraham was fighting Sabastian Demers, Khoren Gevor, Wayne Elcock, Elvin Ayala and (his best name to date besides Eastman) Edison Miranda...

Hence like I said, he's, almost entirly, been fighting the Raul Marguezes of the world while Kelly has been fighting the Benard Hopkins...

FACT!

...and P4Pking, leave your high horse at home.

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Blimey, calm down mate, i wasn't having a pop at you. Fact. ;D

I just thought Abraham was saying he is willing to fight Kelly after the mandatory, thats all. ;)

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Ah, I didn't mean to come off amped up cuz I wasn't... Just explaining myself. I added the FACT as a nudge, mate. LOL;D

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

Fenster, Christ... You know what I mean.

Abraham's most naotable fight was against Miranda... No? and Miranda busted his Jaw... Granted the fight was TOTALLY different the second time around.

Abraham showed his medal against all odds in the first fight(which I thought Miranda won)

What I'm saying is Pav has fought guys like Branco McKart, Zertuche, Taylor twice and Hopkins...

Howard Eastman and Edison Miranda are the two most notable names on his record. Raul Marquez will be the third. He has a bunch of fairly decent fighters... But names? Like 2 maybe three...

You know damn well I wasn't going after him for fighting his mandatory but simply saying that while Pavlik was fighting Zertuche, Miranda, Taylor, Taylor and Hopkins Abraham was fighting Sabastian Demers, Khoren Gevor, Wayne Elcock, Elvin Ayala and (his best name to date besides Eastman) Edison Miranda...

Hence like I said, he's, almost entirly, been fighting the Raul Marguezes of the world while Kelly has been fighting the Benard Hopkins...

FACT!

...and P4Pking, leave your high horse at home.

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Blimey, calm down mate, i wasn't having a pop at you. Fact. ;D

I just thought Abraham was saying he is willing to fight Kelly after the mandatory, thats all. ;)

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Ah, I didn't mean to come off amped up cuz I wasn't... Just explaining myself. I added the FACT as a nudge, mate. LOL;D

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I know, i like it. Fact. ;D

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This fight is tough for me... I'm not sure. Arthur moves and boxes well... He's not all that crafty but moves well...

Kelly is going to be the favorite I'm sure...

I love Kelly and Hate Abraham but I'm gonna go AA Split Decision...

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Arthur likes to rest for 2 minutes of each round pretty much. Likes to lay on the ropes and go into a shell. Thats all the team Kelly needs to plant his feet and do his best work. Kelly wins on activity alone if arthur fights the way he usually does.

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Well, we'll see... If we've seenthat enough lateral movement is enough to stimey Kelly...

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Most definitely bro, movement will hurt Kelly bad.
But arthur doesn't have that type of movement. Arthurs Defense is the same as Winky and Clotteys, the only difference is he fights off the ropes instead of in the center(clottey) or moving foward (winky).

He also isn't that active of a puncher until the final minute of the rounds. When pressured, he hits the ropes and looks to counter punches with left hooks, all from the shell. This is where the problem lies. The moment someone is on the ropes againts Pavlik, he begins to work. The one time I've seen Arthur actively move in a fight is when he fought miranda the first time, after getting his jaw broken. He looked terrible doing it. ARthurs an incredible fighter but can't fight while moving.. he'll come in with his usual style and quickly find out that it's tailor made for Kelly.

Who wins? I have no idea, i'd love to see the fight. But arthurs team just turned down a fight with Winky - who fights like Kelly.. minus the size and power.. possibly a little busier, and better defense. Obviously if they thought winky was a threat, kelly surely is too.

Did Arthur's team turn down the fight against Winkie or the other way around?

Like a few other posters, I don't see AA moving like Hopkins nor does he have the ring experience of Hopkins. Also, Just because the blueprint to beat Pavlik has been laid, doesn't mean everyone will be able to follow it.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Kelly does better against smaller fighters, which is partly why he should stay at middleweight for as long as possible. For example, he struggled against Hopkins who looked to be physically as big as Kelly, or at least close. With AA, however, Pavlik has a 3 1/2 inch advantage in height and reach.

Pavlik will be making the right move to defend his belts for the next 3-4 fights prior to an AA fight.

Honestly, even before Hopkins I favored Abraham in this fight. He is quicker than Pavlik, a little more versatile, and power in both hands. But he is no slickster like Hopkins, so I certainly wouldn't rule Pavlik out. He has been in with the better competition, afterall.

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Originally Posted by ClubberLang

Honestly, even before Hopkins I favored Abraham in this fight. He is quicker than Pavlik, a little more versatile, and power in both hands. But he is no slickster like Hopkins, so I certainly wouldn't rule Pavlik out. He has been in with the better competition, afterall.

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Who?... Abraham or Pavlik?