1 Pacman 12 Chris John
2. Calzaghe 13 Kessler
3 Bhop 14 Williams
4 JMM 15 Dawson
5 Vasquez 16 Caballero
6 Marquez 17 Pavlik
7 Margarito 18 Abraham
8 Cotto 19 Mosley
9 Mijares 20 Hatton
10 Wlad
11 Calderon
What you think?
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1 Pacman 12 Chris John
2. Calzaghe 13 Kessler
3 Bhop 14 Williams
4 JMM 15 Dawson
5 Vasquez 16 Caballero
6 Marquez 17 Pavlik
7 Margarito 18 Abraham
8 Cotto 19 Mosley
9 Mijares 20 Hatton
10 Wlad
11 Calderon
What you think?
i dont think joe should be #2. and why do you have mosley behind AA. and you have wald at 10 wtf
Wlad beat evryone he has faced recently . Im not a fan but he's dominated. AA before Mosley? Mosley almost lost to Mayorga and looked old. Abraham is young, undefeated and coming off a big win over Miranda
Hatton should probably be higher than 20
Here I fixed it for ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
1pacman 2marquez 3.hopkins.4calzaghe5.margarito and keep the rest
theres no way abraham is afraid of Marquez. Full respect to M, but A has faced tougher opposition. Everyone can have a postponed fight, I dont even like abraham too much but he's very good fighter.
I was just giving you a hard time.Quote:
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That list is awful.Quote:
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Damn , Forgot to put haye on it, lol
It's not that, though Haye should come in at 20 IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
Just the likes of Cotto, Klitchsko, Marquez, Kessler, Caballero and Abraham are too "Up on the list" and should be a few places down. And Ricky Hatton, Ivan Caderon and Paul Williams should be higher. And were the fukk is Fernando Montiel ?
Serioulsey man, I could on about it all day.
The top is pretty much in accordance with my own, a couple adjustments though. The rest of the top 20 is different from mine but it's all subjective, nobody can say who is right and wrong definitively.
Ok my list.
1. Pacquiao- with Floyd not fighting this is a sure pick,
2. Calzaghe - He has haters but he's unbeaten and beat BHop in his last fight. Has to be number 2 imo.
3. JM Marquez, would be number 2 but for Pacquaio loss. Great fighter.
4.B Hop, a marvel, keeps turning the clock back.
5. Israel Vazquez, great fighter. The top 5 is clear imo.
6. Margarito. Win over Cotto was huge, although the loss to Williams hurt him. Still he's probably the most dangerous man at 147.
7. Mijares, I personally hate him because of all the man love he gets on here but there's no denying his talent. If he beats Darchinyan he could be on the verge of stardom.
8. Calderon, possible the world's best pure boxer. Great little fighter.
9. M Cotto. Hopefully he'll bounce back from the loss to Margarito.
10. R Marquez. Great trilogy with Vazquez, not sure how much those fights took out of him though.
Ok the next 10 is much harder to assess and I really can't put them in order. But these would probably be my 10 and why.
11. Pavlik. Still the world's best middleweight, exciting fighter
12. Hatton, needs to prove himself against Malignaggi but he's still one of the world's best
13. Williams, a real threat to anyone from 147 - 160 imo.
14.Dawson, wins over Adamek, Johnson and Tarver mean this kid is the potential future superstar of American boxing
15. Haye, Probably wouldn't make most lists as he's moved up to heavyweight and as yet has no resume there, but back to back wins over Mormeck and Maccaerinelli meant he was the unified Cruiserweight champ and without doubt deserves a top 20 spot.
16. Wlad, has a lot of haters but he's by far the most consistent heavyweight. Until his brother came back he was a near certainty to clean up the division. Hasn't lost in 4 years and has picked up half the world title belts now.
17. Kessler, lost to Joe but in every other fight he's proven a classy operator. With wins over Beyer, Mundine and Adrade he's the best 168 lber in the world.
18. Mosely, gave Cotto a really tough fight, fought a barnburner with Mayorga. He's slipped slightly but he's still a great fighter.
19. Chris John, with a win over Marquez he should be higher, but he still only fights nobodies in Indonesia.
20. Juan Guzman, he disgraces himself with failing to make weight last time out but he's one of the slickest fighters in the sport
Montiel doesn't quite make the top 20 Lefty, a good fighter but the top 20 is a pretty exclusive club. You'd be hard pressed to find many elite fighters to drop in favour of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeIt's not that, though Haye should come in at 20 IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
Just the likes of Cotto, Klitchsko, Marquez, Kessler, Caballero and Abraham are too "Up on the list" and should be a few places down. And Ricky Hatton, Ivan Caderon and Paul Williams should be higher. And were the fukk is Fernando Montiel ?
Serioulsey man, I could on about it all day.
You could bump Hatton off, maybe that would please him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMontiel doesn't quite make the top 20 Lefty, a good fighter but the top 20 is a pretty exclusive club. You'd be hard pressed to find many elite fighters to drop in favour of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeIt's not that, though Haye should come in at 20 IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
Just the likes of Cotto, Klitchsko, Marquez, Kessler, Caballero and Abraham are too "Up on the list" and should be a few places down. And Ricky Hatton, Ivan Caderon and Paul Williams should be higher. And were the fukk is Fernando Montiel ?
Serioulsey man, I could on about it all day.
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Originally Posted by BompQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboMontiel doesn't quite make the top 20 Lefty, a good fighter but the top 20 is a pretty exclusive club. You'd be hard pressed to find many elite fighters to drop in favour of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
You could bump Hatton off, maybe that would please him.
lol :D
Who's on your list ? Calzaghe, Rees, Enzo Mac, Nathan Cleverely ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BompYou could bump Hatton off, maybe that would please him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMontiel doesn't quite make the top 20 Lefty, a good fighter but the top 20 is a pretty exclusive club. You'd be hard pressed to find many elite fighters to drop in favour of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
I would kiss you dead smack on the lips right now if I could... ;D:happy0931sb4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Truth be told I think your a "closet" fan of Mijares. Deep down inside I think when you watch him you find yourself enjoying him and actually root for him.
Also when you say man love he gets, I've been cheering for him since he beat up Arce and I predicted he'd beat Arce.
I've defended him time and time again I personally don't think theres a lot of man love for him when you compare it to the likes of Pac, Calzaghe or PBF.
I have Rees at 356th,Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeWho's on your list ? Calzaghe, Rees, Enzo Mac, Nathan Cleverely ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BompYou could bump Hatton off, maybe that would please him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
10 places above Hatton.;D
Thing is though with Pacquiao, Calzaghe and Floyd, for every rabid fan you have a counterbalancing irrational hater. With Mijares though everybody loves him. Plus if anything he looks more of a physical joke than even I do, with a tiny, malformed body,and a ridiculously nerdy face. He looks like someone that little kids in the street would beat up if he went out for a run.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickI would kiss you dead smack on the lips right now if I could... ;D:happy0931sb4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Truth be told I think your a "closet" fan of Mijares. Deep down inside I think when you watch him you find yourself enjoying him and actually root for him.
Also when you say man love he gets, I've been cheering for him since he beat up Arce and I predicted he'd beat Arce.
I've defended him time and time again I personally don't think theres a lot of man love for him when you compare it to the likes of Pac, Calzaghe or PBF.
But I'll give him credit, the kid can fight. I've never been an irrational hater, even if I am a petty hater. I mean even the fighters I don't like i.e. Haye, Mijares etc I can still acknowledge their skills.
To be honest though Mijares probably has become something of a guilty pleasure. Sure I'll laugh my ass off publicly if Darchinyan knocks him out but I expect Mijares to put on a bigger beatdown of Vic than Donaire did, which which I guess shows that I obviously rate him highly.
Ok heres mine, please take into account i barely have any following in anything under 126 pounds....
1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Joe Calzaghe
3-Antonio Margarito
4-JM Marquez
5-Miguel Cotto
6-Bernard Hopkins
7-Israel Vasquez
8-Ricky Hatton
9-Mikkel Kesler
10-Kelly Pavlik
11-Chad Dawson
12-Wladimir Klitschko
13-Andre Berto
14-Vernon Forrest
15-Arthur Abraham
16-Paul Williams
17-Cristian Mijares
18-Ivan Calderon
19-Julio Diaz
20-Shane Mosley
Here's the definitive list.
1. Joan (the disgrace) Guzman Currently suspended.
1. JM Marquez
2. Pac
3. Calzaghe
4. Hopkins
5. Calderon
6. Hasegawa
7. Margarito
8. Vazquez
9. Cotto
10. JM Lopez
Fact.
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
no no no no no no no. all wrong:shakehead:
My list is clearly the most sensible. When it comes to p4p rankings I don't have favourites or go on personal preference I make a strictly objective assessment of each fighter's records and performances.
My list would probably be 90% accurate to what the Ring Magazine would say themselves.
Basically everyone has the names just in a slightly different order. There's no right or wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
If you're basing fighters primarily on their record, current opposition and perormance.. then explain how Mijares rates above Hatton?
Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterBasically everyone has the names just in a slightly different order. There's no right or wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
If you're basing fighters primarily on their record, current opposition and perormance.. then explain how Mijares rates above Hatton?
Oh man you all know I hate Mijares please don't put me in a position where I have to defend him :puke: ;D
I'll be honest when it comes Mijares record I'm going with popular opinion.
Apparently beating Munoz was a big win as was Arce.
But I do agree with you. I mean he hasn't even beaten the best in his division yet, Montiel, Darchinyan and Donaire so it's probably premature to put him as high as 7.
You know what, fuck him, drop him down to whereever you see fit and move Hatton up a bit.
Hatton is still borderline p4p imo, getting KO'd by Floyd seemed to result in everyone writing him off though but to be fair he's beaten everyone else.
So drop Mijares down say 3 or 4 places and push Hatton up a couple.
The thing is.. Mijares is currently in most peoples top 10. Fine. But it must ONLY be based on the belief that he has a far superior SKILL level to a guy like Hatton. If you base their standing on the quality of opposition faced, then Hatton has faced the far superior around his weight-class, with his only loss coming to an all-time-great.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterBasically everyone has the names just in a slightly different order. There's no right or wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
If you're basing fighters primarily on their record, current opposition and perormance.. then explain how Mijares rates above Hatton?
Oh man you all know I hate Mijares please don't put me in a position where I have to defend him :puke: ;D
I'll be honest when it comes Mijares record I'm going with popular opinion.
Apparently beating Munoz was a big win as was Arce.
But I do agree with you. I mean he hasn't even beaten the best in his division yet, Montiel, Darchinyan and Donaire so it's probably premature to put him as high as 7.
You know what, fuck him, drop him down to whereever you see fit and move Hatton up a bit.
Hatton is still borderline p4p imo, getting KO'd by Floyd seemed to result in everyone writing him off though but to be fair he's beaten everyone else.
So drop Mijares down say 3 or 4 places and push Hatton up a couple.
Mijares last five fights contain a couple of journeymen and two fighters rated top 10 by The Ring.
Hatton's last five have ALL been rated top 10 by The Ring.
Therefore.. Hatton is/has consistently faced the far tougher, higher rated competition around his weight-class compared with Mirjares.
To be honest i know nothing of Mijares but by the look of his record. He should not be above Cotto, Pavlik, Hatton and even i say Williams. I hope that Darchinyan knocks him out but i while have to wait and see should be a good fight form what i have heard so i guess i while have to wait.
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Originally Posted by FensterThe thing is.. Mijares is currently in most peoples top 10. Fine. But it must ONLY be based on the belief that he has a far superior SKILL level to a guy like Hatton. If you base their standing on the quality of opposition faced, then Hatton has faced the far superior around his weight-class, with his only loss coming to an all-time-great.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Oh man you all know I hate Mijares please don't put me in a position where I have to defend him :puke: ;D
I'll be honest when it comes Mijares record I'm going with popular opinion.
Apparently beating Munoz was a big win as was Arce.
But I do agree with you. I mean he hasn't even beaten the best in his division yet, Montiel, Darchinyan and Donaire so it's probably premature to put him as high as 7.
You know what, fuck him, drop him down to whereever you see fit and move Hatton up a bit.
Hatton is still borderline p4p imo, getting KO'd by Floyd seemed to result in everyone writing him off though but to be fair he's beaten everyone else.
So drop Mijares down say 3 or 4 places and push Hatton up a couple.
Mijares last five fights contain a couple of journeymen and two fighters rated top 10 by The Ring.
Hatton's last five have ALL been rated top 10 by The Ring.
Therefore.. Hatton is/has consistently faced the far tougher, higher rated competition around his weight-class compared with Mirjares.
Too true
How many world class opponents have the likes of mijares/calderon/lopez etc truly been in with??
Always been a believer in "your only as good as the man you beat" and on that basis the likes of hatton, abraham, wright, cotto all steal a march on these very low weight fighters??
How many world class american/european 120pounders have their been over the last 10/20 years??
I suspect due to the way we are physically different to the likes of our south american/asian counterparts you could probably count them on one hand!!!