Hall of Fame Fighters

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10-28-2008, 08:30 PM
C-Lo

Hall of Fame Fighters

Ring Magzine did their look at the current fighters and who was on their way to the Hall of Fame. Here is who they had in each category.

"Sure Shots" - Manny Pacquiao, Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton, Winky Wright, Joel Casamayor.

"Probable" - Juan Manuel Marquez, Rafael Marquez, Israel Vasquez, Chris Byrd, Ivan Calderon.

"Maybe" - Vernon Forrest, Antonio Tarver, Mikkel Kessler, Wladimir Klitschko, Arthur Abraham, Felix Sturm.

"No Chance" - John Ruiz, Haseem Rahman, Jermaine Taylor, Brian Viloria, Paulie Mallignaggi, John Duddy, Anthony Mundine.

They list fighters such as Miguel Cotto, Nonito Donaire, Kelly Pavlik, Antonio Margarito, etc as "Too Soon to Tell"

Anybody have any thoughts about this list?

I think:
-Hatton isn't a "sure shot" and should be in a lower category.
-Juan Manuel Marquez should be a "sure shot."
-I think Wlad if definitely higher than a "maybe."
-I think Jermaine Taylor should be on the "maybe" list because he still has a bunch of fights ahead of him. I could see him fighting enough people to make it to the HOF.
10-28-2008, 08:39 PM
TheChosenOne

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

where is hopkins, jones, trinidad, mosley, de la hoya, lewis, holyfeild?
10-28-2008, 09:00 PM
HattonTheHammer

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

How the hell does casa getting in the sure shots and JMM only in the probables??
10-28-2008, 09:02 PM
C-Lo

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

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Originally Posted by TheChosenOne

where is hopkins, jones, trinidad, mosley, de la hoya, lewis, holyfeild?

Those were people discussed the last time they did this type of column.
10-28-2008, 09:06 PM
HattonTheHammer

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

through the last decade id have to say....

Lennox Lewis
Roy Jones Jnr
Bernard Hopkins
Joe Calzaghe
Floyd Mayweather
Marco Antonio Barerra
Erik Morales
Manny Pacquiao

all have proved themselves HOFers that`ll be remembered for years to come.

The likes of holyfield, de-la hoya, tyson, Mosley etc will always have question marks over their status`s as true ring greats unlike the mentioned above!
10-31-2008, 01:45 PM
GuyIncognito76

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

The likes of holyfield, de-la hoya, tyson, Mosley etc will always have question marks over their status`s as true ring greats unlike the mentioned above!

Holyfield has a question mark!? Undisputed Cruiserweight champion and the only 4-time-Heavyweight-champion-of-the-world?

Sure, he went on too long and ended up embarressing himself but so did Sugar Ray Robinson and Roberto Duran :confused:
10-31-2008, 02:41 PM
mrodub

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There is no question mark over tyson for the simple reason "youngest champ ever" if that bis not enough what is
Holyfiel 4 time world champion that is easily enough
Look at some of the people in the hall tyson and holyfield are guaranteed
10-31-2008, 03:09 PM
CGM

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

It looks like this is as much of a popularity contest, or a making an splash thing, than it is a p4p ability/achievement thing.
10-31-2008, 03:43 PM
leggy

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

i think hattons a sure shoot ;)
11-01-2008, 03:53 AM
CutMeMick

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

"Sure Shots" - Manny Pacquiao, Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton, Winky Wright, Joel Casamayor.

"Probable" - Juan Manuel Marquez, Rafael Marquez, Israel Vasquez, Chris Byrd, Ivan Calderon.

"Maybe" - Vernon Forrest, Antonio Tarver, Mikkel Kessler, Wladimir Klitschko, Arthur Abraham, Felix Sturm.

"No Chance" - John Ruiz, Haseem Rahman, Jermaine Taylor, Brian Viloria, Paulie Mallignaggi, John Duddy, Anthony Mundine.

I'd move Hatton & Casa to probable.
I'd move JMM to sure shot.
11-01-2008, 04:00 AM
SweetPea

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

The likes of holyfield, de-la hoya, tyson, Mosley etc will always have question marks over their status`s as true ring greats unlike the mentioned above!

Those 4 fighters will all be 1st ballot HOFers.
11-01-2008, 04:03 AM
SweetPea

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

"No Chance" - John Ruiz, Haseem Rahman, Jermaine Taylor, Brian Viloria, Paulie Mallignaggi, John Duddy, Anthony Mundine.

This one cracks me up. Did they really need to tell us that John Duddy has no shot at the HOF?

LMAO.
11-01-2008, 04:05 AM
CutMeMick

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

The likes of holyfield, de-la hoya, tyson, Mosley etc will always have question marks over their status`s as true ring greats unlike the mentioned above!

Those 4 fighters will all be 1st ballot HOFers.

I agree then again it's hattonthehammer which I wouldn't have replied to in the 1st place.
11-01-2008, 04:35 AM
LondonBB

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

The likes of holyfield, de-la hoya, tyson, Mosley etc will always have question marks over their status`s as true ring greats unlike the mentioned above!

Those 4 fighters will all be 1st ballot HOFers.

I agree then again it's hattonthehammer which I wouldn't have replied to in the 1st place.

Hmmm, i agree with tyson, holyfield and de la hoya without a doubt, but not sure mosely should be a first ballot hall of famer.

Mosley is/was a great fighter, dont put him on the level of holyfield, tyson and de la hoya though. Just my opinion.
11-01-2008, 04:43 AM
CFH

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

I find it odd that Taylor would have no chance while Kessler is considered a
"maybe". Taylor's beaten Hopkins twice and drawn with Wright. Kessler has beaten Mundine and lost to Calzaghe. Am I missing something?
11-01-2008, 04:57 AM
kingfrnk

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how is authur abraham a maybe and taylor is no chance ? abraham has fought nobody. atleast taylor beat bhop twice even though they were close fight and couldve gone either way. but thats way more than what abraham has done thats kinda stupid REALLY.
11-01-2008, 05:18 AM
Mr140

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Alright how on gods green earth does Evander Holyfeild have a question mark the man has been unifed CW champion and best to ever to touch that weight no one can touch him there i mean no one. He has been the heavyweight champion more times then anyone has anyone even Ali. His resume is up with the likes of Ali, Foreman and Lewis and he has fought any fighter worth something in the last 20 years and he gets a question mark you know what fuck you hattonhammer dumbess thing i heard ever.
11-01-2008, 05:24 AM
Mr140

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Alright then you say that Shane Mosley has a question mark now that is something i have to say. the man look like a god at LW and was champion LW, WW, and SMW and beat the golden boy when he was on top and Shane Mosley moved up fomr LW to WW not to mention at one point he was consider to be the best and pound for pound number one as well.
11-01-2008, 05:30 AM
Mr140

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Last thing i am going to say to you which i dont even know why is how does Oscar Dela Hoya have a question mark on his head. He has fought everyone worth anything as far as i can see it and i mean everyone. He has been champion in SFW, LW, LWW, WW, LMW and MW you know how many have done that i can think of one Tommey Hearns only he was in higher weights but thats the only guy i can come up with. Even with his loses he has beat 20 guys that have been champion or who were former champions and that is somthing not many can brag about. Not mention he was on top of the pound for pound rating for a while and yea at one point was the best pound for pound fighter in the world but a question mark eh.
11-01-2008, 04:44 PM
Bukom Battler

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This may be a silly question but do you get into the hall of fame for pure fighting ability or as it states fame? If its the latter then Ricky Hatton defo should be in cos of the amount of fans he brings to the table. Look how many Brits went to Las Vegas just to watch it in a bar never mind to go to the fight itself.
11-01-2008, 05:03 PM
C-Lo

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

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Originally Posted by CFH

I find it odd that Taylor would have no chance while Kessler is considered a
"maybe". Taylor's beaten Hopkins twice and drawn with Wright. Kessler has beaten Mundine and lost to Calzaghe. Am I missing something?

I also think Taylor has accomplished much more than Kessler. Undisputed Middleweight Champion and two wins against Hopkins who is a walking, living lengend.
11-01-2008, 07:30 PM
kingfrnk

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

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Originally Posted by CFH

I find it odd that Taylor would have no chance while Kessler is considered a
"maybe". Taylor's beaten Hopkins twice and drawn with Wright. Kessler has beaten Mundine and lost to Calzaghe. Am I missing something?

I also think Taylor has accomplished much more than Kessler. Undisputed Middleweight Champion and two wins against Hopkins who is a walking, living lengend.

hell yea taylor has accomplished more than kessler and abraham. AND WTF IS UP WITH RING MAG SAYIN THIS BULLSHIT :mad:
11-01-2008, 07:34 PM
GAME

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

"Sure Shots" - Manny Pacquiao, Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton, Winky Wright, Joel Casamayor.

"Probable" - Juan Manuel Marquez, Rafael Marquez, Israel Vasquez, Chris Byrd, Ivan Calderon.

"Maybe" - Vernon Forrest, Antonio Tarver, Mikkel Kessler, Wladimir Klitschko, Arthur Abraham, Felix Sturm.

"No Chance" - John Ruiz, Haseem Rahman, Jermaine Taylor, Brian Viloria, Paulie Mallignaggi, John Duddy, Anthony Mundine.

I'd move Hatton & Casa to probable.
I'd move JMM to sure shot.

You would ;D

Theres afew greater fighters they missed out aswel .
11-01-2008, 07:58 PM
GuyIncognito76

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

I also think Taylor has accomplished much more than Kessler. Undisputed Middleweight Champion and two wins against Hopkins who is a walking, living lengend.

I think the reason they have Taylor as a no and Kessler a maybe is because Kessler "could" achieve great things in the future whilst Taylor's career is pretty much done.
11-01-2008, 08:03 PM
kingfrnk

Re: Hall of Fame Fighters

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Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76

Quote:

Originally Posted by caleoh12

I also think Taylor has accomplished much more than Kessler. Undisputed Middleweight Champion and two wins against Hopkins who is a walking, living lengend.

I think the reason they have Taylor as a no and Kessler a maybe is because Kessler "could" achieve great things in the future whilst Taylor's career is pretty much done.

taylor isnt done, why cause he lost to pavlik he can still have some good fights at SMW and he can beat them also.

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