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I was just wondering, what would PBF have to do to cement his legecy in everyones eyes?
I think he may come back and have another four fights... Now if he came back and defeated Margarito, Cotto and say then Berto at WW, and then moved up to LM and defeated Paul Williams surly then nobody could doubt what he has done in his career..
Where would them four wins leave him in an alltime P4P list???? thoughts??
There'd be someone else around at the time who he would need to step in with. I'm sure of that.
At this point I'd take 3 of those guys you mentioned. He may struggle with Cotto, he may struggle against Margarito's sheer will and he may struggle against Paul Williams reach and work rate. So those 3 would elevate him even further in my book.
He's taken on loads of challenges throughout his career but don't think he quite made that final challenge that all boxing fans could respect. I.E. Cotto or Margarito. He just needed that 1 last fight in my humble opinion to win over hardcore boxing fans as well as the casuals.
If mayweather fought world hunger and won it wouldn't make any difference. He can do the same thing joe calzaghe can do at this point. Nothing. Some like him some don't. It will always be that way. Floyd would be a fool to get back in the ring although i think he will. No one wants to see floyd fight they only watch to see him loose, the last thing i'd do is play the fight him..no no wait fight him, ok you beat him but i bet you can't beat this guy etc.....
Agreed Mar, there are always some that won't be pleased whatever he does. I still can't help feeling that he needed that one last challenge to silence all the hardcore fans who don't rate him. One more fight where it was the best vs the best..I just think he missed that perfect oppurtunity with Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
I'd say Mayweather has nothing left to prove under the welterweight limit. In a legacy standpoint, he fought some big names along the way. His skill was unlike anyone else during his era but he definitely missed out by not fighting the likes of Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, etc as a welterweight.
Too bad Fraud did not have the heart or the balls to fight Antonio Margarito.
Tony would have given PBF the same kind of beating Miguel Cotto got.
And now we all know why PBF ducked Tony Margarito,
it was no big secret but those of you who did not believe it then,
(JT Rock ;D ) Know straight up that Tony would have man handled Floyd.
End of.
I wanna see him back in the ring.If the Pac man somehow over comes ODHA that would be a intresting fight at 140 or 147 depending if pac would stop there for PBF.
Mayeather love or hate him the man is a class act.His defence is 1 of the best in boxing after 39 fights no one knows if he has a good chin cause he very rarely gets hit on it,and his combinations are lighting fast when he decides to let his hands go.
in my eyes he has nothing left to prove. even if he comes back and makes margarito the so called "terminator" look like a damn fool, people will still say he has to fight paul, cotto, mosley, etc. well fuk that he doesnt have to do NADA his legacy is already cement.Quote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
I think there are three fights that can cement Mayweather's legacy in this order
1. If Pacquaio beats Oscar, then IMO Mayweather has to fight Manny to remain fighter of the decade.
2. Paul Williams or Miguel Cotto, both are viewed as Mayweather's potential biggest challenge.
3. Antonio Margarito: I think this is an easier fight then Cotto or P.Williams for Mayweather to be honest, but Margarito gets the credit of beating Cotto, and pretty soon Mosley.
One other one down the road is Andre Berto, I personally see Berto as the hardest opponent for Mayweather because of his unbelievable speed, I think Berto will cement his own legacy in the next few years by beating Clottey, Judah, Cotto, anyone around his size in the welterweight division. Then this would be a huge fight for Mayweather to come back to, but I am not sure if he will be able to beat prime Berto.
what floyd is missing a real war in his fight record, but prob not got that cos he is so good.
If he stays retired he will still of been one of the greatest of past couple of decades
You're right, he'll NEVER silence the haters. If he waits for one of the guys to REALLY stand out, then take him on that would definitely ADD to his great legacy. If Marg can serve a real beatdown on Shane, the call from the fans might be big enough, since Shane is considered (very wrongly) similar to Floyd. I love Shane, but he's finished, if he's tired against Cotto he's in for a real treat with Marg, his offence has always been his defence and he just won't be able to keep it up at his age.Quote:
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In hindsight after Hatton ,I bet Mayweather secretly regretted stepping right over 140 when Kostya was there for the taking. That fight would have changed his and boxing history one way or the other.
I give him full props since though,he has faced alot and turned me around in my original thoughts about his style and if he could handle a war.
I dont doubt him anymore, he is the best. If he wants to up the anti and prove it once and for all just Margarrito would seal it.
Fear Termagarito ;D.I'd be happy if he would grace us with his presence and just fight one of them......just one ??If he stays retired Imo,I think that not meeting any of them while many are fighting one another in a stacked division will be an asterisk on his Legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkin my eyes he has nothing left to prove. even if he comes back and makes margarito the so called "terminator" look like a damn fool, people will still say he has to fight paul, cotto, mosley, etc. well fuk that he doesnt have to do NADA his legacy is already cement.Quote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
Floyd could have already been cemented if he would have bothered to stay in a division long enough to clean out all the top guys not just claim a title seek a few mediocre defenses then run to another division....He only did so at 130...
At 135 he fought Castillo twice,Sosa and N'dou...he should have had a fight with Cassamayor the man people were looking at as the divisions bad boy
At 140 he fought Corley, Gatti, and Brusles...The Corley win was his best...Brussles was not revered much and we all knew Gatti was almost done (Not that PBF would not have beaten him at any time)...He should have fought Cotto or Tszyu
At 147 PBF fought Judah who was in a mental tirade and had lost to Spinks and Baldomir...Sharmba Mitchell had been fighting journeymen so little respect was earned there....He could have stuck around for Margarito...Beaten Cintron who was highly thought of then...Enticed a Mosley bout....
For as good as PBF is at times it seemed like he was more interested in looking good on paper rather then in the ring with a legit dangerous opponent that makes fans remember you
In 5 years who will remember his wins over Baldomir, Mitchell, N'Dou, Brusles or Sosa?
But they will remember the wins over PBF, Castillo, Corrales....Why? because they are men with legacy's of their own
Unlike guys like Calzaghe PBF choose who he fought and did not there were no promoters dictating his bouts...Plus as mentioned before he necer had a real signiture bout...
He will be remembered for his skills but not for his determinartion to fight the best
I myself want Floyd Mayweather to return. Seriousley. Looking from a hatrid view makes you forget and block out the talent the guy has. I've come to look from a different persepctive after watching a few more of his fights (Excluding Baldomir uhh). He's a superb fighter. And I actually quite like his brash tone. I hope he comes back and fights a genuine welterweight though.
I really hate to say this but I feel the sport of boxing is missing somewhat without Floyd Mayweather. The cocky, undefeated, loud mouth, slick champion who NOBODY can beat.
I agree with Spicoli. Just fight one of the top guys. Margarito is the best opponent.
A couple conditions though.
1. Before the fight don't talk like you are going to go for a knockout.
2. Don't run the whole fight and try to win a decision without any blood or bruising on yourself or your opponent.
3. Then if he wins, shut up. Keep him away from the microphone. He's a terrible public relations guy. He just comes off all wrong and fake. Let your actions speak for themselves and you won't have to constantly argue your own legacy.
For me the whole problem with PBF is he's fraudulent. He talks like a ko artist then fights slick and boxes. The problem is he says one thing then does another. Just be who you are. If you are the slickest fighter around, be that. He screws it up by trying to be someone else. Live off what you do and fight the best opposition you can, then hang em up while you are on top, that's a cement legacy.
I would loveeee to see him come back and fight anyone..
floyd was never in a war because of his style.. hit and not get hit..
i'm pretty sure his only fight that wasn't a UD or a TKO/KO was his SD against DLH, and that was the closest he's come to losing a fight..
when you have someone so much better than who he fights, there will be no war.. With that said, as many people have already mentioned, Floyd won't get a lot of people respect simply because of his style.. I mean, he fought some great fighters, and was able to make most of them, if not all of them, look a level below him.. So when people talk about Gatti, and how he was a blood and guts guy, had his series with Ward, and never stayed down and people admire him for that.. just remember what floyd did to him..
It realy depends on what u mean by cementing legacy i think.
If he wants his legacy to be a former P4P number 1 who won the WBC title in 5 divisions, and was one of the best fighters of his era, then he has done that and that is a pretty good legacy.
If cementing his legacy means being the greatest fighter of his era, and maybe top 20 P4P all time well he is darn close but may need one or two more big name fights to do that, and could easily do so.
If cementing means the greatest fighter ever then he is nowhere near, and because older fighters are looked upon with rose coloured glasses he never will be. To be top 5 P4P all time he'd probably have to win 5 more top line fights and beat someone of note at 160.
Reality is his legacy is already very good, probably top 3 of current fighters, is that enough?
Well, realistically (and i doubt this will happen) if mayweather came out of retirement and fought de la hoya again (and won) then fought margarito (and won), then fought paul williams (and won) lastly fought cotto (and won) he goes down as a complete legend of the sport. Hes already in the hall of fame, but if he were to accomplish the above then he is top 5 boxers ever in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
Shame he wont want to try it though.
If he comes out of retirement and beats margarito and williams then he is top 15 greatest fighters ever in my opinion.