What will it take to beat joe calzaghe?

Pretty simple really. What does jones need to do in order to beat calzaghe...what gameplan can he employ?

By far the most effective fighter against calzaghe was hopkins in their recent fight.

Should roy adopt a more negative and dirty style like hopkins in order to try to beat joe?

As of yet, we dont know what it would take to beat calzaghe, just as we dont know what it would take to beat mayweather either, both fighters are undefeated...but the only person who looked like he caused joe all sorts of problems at first was hopkins...

So should roy jones try to adopt a very negative/dirty approach to the fight to stop calzaghe from finding his range and getting his flow going?

The best way to weather calzaghe's storm is to stop him from throwing his large combos and flurries of punches, hopkins did this very well by using clinch tactics and then didnt trade with calzaghe on the inside either, he simply used the counter, although ultimately calzaghe found a way around it and started to boss the fight.

So what tactics can jones employ in order to beat calzaghe?

I would say that for the first 4 rounds jones should be very negative, if he can do what hopkins did, this would ruin calzaghes mindset as well, it would be very demoralising for him.

Then from rounds 4-8, after confusing calzaghe and ruining his flow and confidence he could start trading with him (something hopkins did not do)...this would then give roy the edge because he would be fighting a confused and demoralised calzaghe rather than a fresh one.

Any other suggestions?

I don't know how many times I've said this in a thread but I'll get at it one more time.

I think Jones is going to have the same strategy he had against Tito at the beginning of the fight. He's going to let Joe hit him a bit by sitting on the ropes to see if he can take his punch. Alike with Tito, I think Jones will realize that Calzaghe can't hurt him with his punches and will gain swagger and confidence. From then on he will be pot shotting Joe with the straight right everytime he tries to come in with his Calzaghe flurries.

But according the 24/7 Joe said he can't "slap" Jones and he will be putting some power into his punches. But either way, the straight right will be the key for a Jones' victory.

damn another calzaghe thread. the fukin fight is about a week away and after the fight thers gonna be about 20 more threads after the fight. i really hope jones wins just so i can rub it in peoples face.

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

I don't know how many times I've said this in a thread but I'll get at it one more time.

I think Jones is going to have the same strategy he had against Tito at the beginning of the fight. He's going to let Joe hit him a bit by sitting on the ropes to see if he can take his punch. Alike with Tito, I think Jones will realize that Calzaghe can't hurt him with his punches and will gain swagger and confidence. From then on he will be pot shotting Joe with the straight right everytime he tries to come in with his Calzaghe flurries.

But according the 24/7 Joe said he can't "slap" Jones and he will be putting some power into his punches. But either way, the straight right will be the key for a Jones' victory.

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yea pretty much the same for me. i dont think joe can hurt roy one bit. those str8 rights should floor joe a few times

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

I don't know how many times I've said this in a thread but I'll get at it one more time.

I think Jones is going to have the same strategy he had against Tito at the beginning of the fight. He's going to let Joe hit him a bit by sitting on the ropes to see if he can take his punch. Alike with Tito, I think Jones will realize that Calzaghe can't hurt him with his punches and will gain swagger and confidence. From then on he will be pot shotting Joe with the straight right everytime he tries to come in with his Calzaghe flurries.

But according the 24/7 Joe said he can't "slap" Jones and he will be putting some power into his punches. But either way, the straight right will be the key for a Jones' victory.

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Good post, you could be correct.

Calzaghe did look vulnerable to the straight right counter against hopkins in his last fight.

Although i assume that hes learnt from his mistakes against hopkins and wont make the same against roy jones...afterall...if jones can wobble calzaghe with a crisp right hand then he might smell blood and come in for some big hits.

Joe is fortunate to have a v good chin i guess. He might take a few straight right's from roy and then adapt his plan...but having said that, if jones can then change his strategy when calzaghe adapts and then perhaps sit back a bit less it would probably go jones' way.

Rounds 1-4, jones sits back and tries to stop calzaghe find his flow and range, tries the right counter punch and moves well, putting calzaghe off.

Rounds 4-8, calzaghe adapts to jones style and starts to emply new tactics like he did against hopkins, however roy then comes into the centre of the ring to fight on the inside more and try to tie calzaghe up in clinches as well so that he can not find his flow.

Rounds 8-12, jones goes back to counter punch and off the ropes, pot shotting joe.

If roy does this, he could end up stopping joe OR could end up winning by around 9 rounds to 3, a wide margin.

To totally emphasise that he is the greatest supermiddle weight ever.

The only problem and risk with this is the in-fighting in my opinion...there is always a chance (particularly if what you say is true and calzaghe is gonna let his hands loose) that calzaghe will catch joe with a clean hit rather than a flurry if they start to trade and this could put jones on the floor...i think that if jones hits canvas then itll be all over for him...calzaghe will rush in for the ko as soon as he sees jones chin bust.

Will the decissive factor in the fight be who has the stronger chin?

I have to say, i'll be dissapointed if calzaghe doesnt at least try to let his hands loose and go for some proper shots, itll be a big dissapointment as his last fight if we cant see him actually try and bang.

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

damn another calzaghe thread. the fukin fight is about a week away and after the fight thers gonna be about 20 more threads after the fight. i really hope jones wins just so i can rub it in peoples face.

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Me too...i hope jones wins so that i can say for sure that jones is the best supermiddle weight ever and we can state that pretty much as fact!

I am fed up with the debates, if jones wins then it will end the debate, any true boxing fan can see that jones was the best and definately better than calzaghe, therefore no more head aches or debates.

If calzaghe wins then it will just lead to more and more threads, a few more people will give joe his props but the haters will still not rate joe, and they will continue to debate.

I want jones to win!

One thing I'm afraid of is if Roy gets gun shy or doesn't stay active and throws a punch here and there, Calzaghe takes this fight easily. His flurries and activity are something judges love to score rounds for.

If Joe does put power on his shots, this may be that much more of an interesting fight. That pitter patter stuff won't hurt Roy.

All in All, this fight isn't about what who is fighting one another but more along the lines of which type of Calzaghe is he going to fight like (pitter patter or throwing more solid shots) and which type of Jones is he going to fight like (safe and defensive or more of an aggressive Roy).

I hope they both come out aggressive:)

If they both come out aggressive and looking to put the fight to bed, then it will be fireworks in the ring.

Might not last v long lol, but still be an absolute cracker.

The only people to have come close to beating Joe are Robin Reid and Bernard Hopkins, both slowed him down with messy work, both are known as dirty fighters and both still got out worked.

The person to beat Joe would be very quick on their feet and dont get hit at all, anyone who trys to stand in front and avoid punches with body movement like Floyd would still get outworked, Joe would love a static target in front of him, which brings us to Jones.

Roy isnt gonna be able to move alot as his legs are gone, hes never had great upper body movement and he is gun shy, Joe will put him in a shell and Jones will look pitifull.

Like others have said the only way I see Jones having success is with the straight lead right but the only time that has worked for Roy has been against mediocre fighters.

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Originally Posted by ross

The only people to have come close to beating Joe are Robin Reid and Bernard Hopkins, both slowed him down with messy work, both are known as dirty fighters and both still got out worked.

The person to beat Joe would be very quick on their feet and dont get hit at all, anyone who trys to stand in front and avoid punches with body movement like Floyd would still get outworked, Joe would love a static target in front of him, which brings us to Jones.

Roy isnt gonna be able to move alot as his legs are gone, hes never had great upper body movement and he is gun shy, Joe will put him in a shell and Jones will look pitifull.

Like others have said the only way I see Jones having success is with the straight lead right but the only time that has worked for Roy has been against mediocre fighters.

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But what will roy do to beat calzaghe?

Its gotta be more than just the 'straight right'?

Lets be fair, although most people on this board hate calzaghe, surely hes not that thick to realise that roy's best weapon against him is his right cross on the counter?

If calzaghe falls for that one then he deserves to be put on the floor, he really shouldve learnt after the hopkins fight!

I wouldn't be so certain Calzaghe can't hurt Roy.

Obviously Calzaghe doesn't consistently punch hard anymore, because of his dodgy hands, but he is far from being a powderpuff hitter. In amongst the flurries he lands plenty of solid shots.

Roy hasn't really been hit since the third Tarver fight - when a tap on the chin turned him into a drunk.

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

I don't know how many times I've said this in a thread but I'll get at it one more time.

I think Jones is going to have the same strategy he had against Tito at the beginning of the fight. He's going to let Joe hit him a bit by sitting on the ropes to see if he can take his punch. Alike with Tito, I think Jones will realize that Calzaghe can't hurt him with his punches and will gain swagger and confidence. From then on he will be pot shotting Joe with the straight right everytime he tries to come in with his Calzaghe flurries.

But according the 24/7 Joe said he can't "slap" Jones and he will be putting some power into his punches. But either way, the straight right will be the key for a Jones' victory.

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Agreed. Roys straight right has always thrown people as he has never really done the orthodox thing of putting a range finding jab in front of it and providing he can take Calzaghes shot (which I think he will) he will give him nightmares with that right.

I also see the half left hook half uppercut that whacked Griffin out make a re-appearance after a few rounds when his confidence starts to get high.

The straight rights and uppercuts Kessler had success with uppercuts also some good fighting inside off the ropes like the combo he hit Hanshaw with in the 11th.

I think constant coutering tactics maybe will be enough to do it, but with the sheer volume of punches he throws, it would be hard to do that.

a one punch wonder, although it would be hard to land, that would do the trick ;D

i think calzaghe has to make sure he has his chin down for starters

I also said to my mum other day LOL to my mum i said i think the best way to beat Calzaghe is you have to unload and throw when Calzaghe is throwing he is wide open when he throws because he throws both hands when he throws the pitter patters he has no guard.

If Joe doesnt keep his punches strait and quick.. and goes back to slapping flurries we have seen from fight to fight.. look for a quick roy jones counter strait rights to buzz joe all night in my opinion..

Jones needs to be on his legs and put power in his shots..

with his movement he can controll the pace, and it will be him getting off first bieng so fast..

we know he has the speed to put threes and fours together with the most random of punches following eachother..

if he can keep his pace, and land his shots and move again.. he can secure rounds.. and i dont believe that joe has proven to be a light heavyweight who can take powershots for the time bieng..

I expect if roy is in shape and motivated enough he can win it big time.

I dont think jones has the legs for the 12 rounds against a guy who has a high work rate, but b hop proved calzage does not have the best chin and jones hits harder than b hop and has fought in his prime bigger and stronger men than calzage i think jones needs to make himself the boss early on and try to get joe out of there as quick as possible because his chances diminish with every round.He should come out swining he has the power the fast hands and an opponant who cannot hurt him early on.
I think calzage will win though jones i fear is just in it for the pay day.

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Originally Posted by mrodub

I dont think jones has the legs for the 12 rounds against a guy who has a high work rate, but b hop proved calzage does not have the best chin and jones hits harder than b hop and has fought in his prime bigger and stronger men than calzage i think jones needs to make himself the boss early on and try to get joe out of there as quick as possible because his chances diminish with every round.He should come out swining he has the power the fast hands and an opponant who cannot hurt him early on.
I think calzage will win though jones i fear is just in it for the pay day.

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I dont think Calzaghes chin can be called into any question. The guy can take a punch and if he gets knocked down then he gets back up. The Hopkins knockdown was nothing. Calzaghe was up on the count of 3 and was pissed off with himself more than any real hurt being involved. The Kessler 4th round shows how tough Calzaghes chin is.

The only chance Jones Jr has for me is to knock Calzaghe out, but I dont think he has that in him. But never say never.

And Fenster is right that Calzaghes power shouldnt be underestimated. He can crack when he puts the force into his punch. And Jones isnt known to as tough chinned as Hopkins. Jones could get hurt if not actually put away.

I agree with you but what i mean is he can be hurt and put down jones has put down bigger men and is capable of putting calzage away early i dont dought calzages chin against most men but early against jones he should be careful
I do not think calzage can put jones away with one puch i think it would have to be an accumilation of punches so i cannot see calzage stoping jones early in the fight maybe late when jones is tired

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Originally Posted by mrodub

I agree with you but what i mean is he can be hurt and put down jones has put down bigger men and is capable of putting calzage away early i dont dought calzages chin against most men but early against jones he should be careful
I do not think calzage can put jones away with one puch i think it would have to be an accumilation of punches so i cannot see calzage stoping jones early in the fight maybe late when jones is tired

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You are right. For those early rounds I just know I am not going to enjoy anything in this fight. Watching the first 4 rounds against Hopkins and Kessler was a nightmare for me because Calzaghe didnt really start great in either of those fights. Kessler was nailing Joe with uppercuts in the fourth and of course was nailed in the first by Hopkins.

Calzaghe does need to be at his best, and he does need to be wary of Jones. Definitely.

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Originally Posted by mrodub

I agree with you but what i mean is he can be hurt and put down jones has put down bigger men and is capable of putting calzage away early i dont dought calzages chin against most men but early against jones he should be careful
I do not think calzage can put jones away with one puch i think it would have to be an accumilation of punches so i cannot see calzage stoping jones early in the fight maybe late when jones is tired

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You are right. For those early rounds I just know I am not going to enjoy anything in this fight. Watching the first 4 rounds against Hopkins and Kessler was a nightmare for me because Calzaghe didnt really start great in either of those fights. Kessler was nailing Joe with uppercuts in the fourth and of course was nailed in the first by Hopkins.

Calzaghe does need to be at his best, and he does need to be wary of Jones. Definitely.

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Definatly calzage said himself said he underestimated hopkins and did not train as well as he should have i do not think he will make that mistake again although RJJ is not at the same level as B hop anymore in my opinion and calzage knows that so you never no hemight underestimate him
for me though its calzage in a decision getting stronger with every round that passes

I think Jones COULD look ok for the first few rounds, he will try his damndest to look like he did when he was younger, which will be his downfall, he will move alot and pot shot and hold for the first few rounds, then he will tire and try the potshoting off the ropes.

Joe just has too much for Roy right now, it would have been a very interesting fight Ten years ago but of all the big fights this year this has to be the One that defines "full gone conclusion" the most.

There is a reason that Jones has had only One fight a year for the past few years and then against nobodys, nobodys moving up in weight, then hasbeens moving up in weight who had been out for a couple a years;D

To go from that kind of opposition and activity to jump in with one of the top fighters in the world is a big ask for a man as far removed from his prime as jones.

Jones lead right worked because the mediocre fighters were intimidated by his speed, they reduced their own workrate for fear of being countered and then while they were thinking Jones would pop out fast random shots at will but the last time we saw that was in the Ruiz fight.

I find the Ruiz fight very sus, ask anyone who wants to put on muscle how hard it is, yet Jones puts on 20lbs in under 6 months time and still looks ripped.

This after he had already been found to use performance enhancers:confused:

How much of Jones lighting hands and reflexes needs to be put in to context with his steroid use??

Jones makes it an ugly fight by holding and loses a decision, he fights like he has been doing and gets stopped.

If i were jones who is bigger and hits harder i would forget dancing around trying to look young i would turn it into street fight and try to finish it inside 4 after that its too late he is to old ,if he does that who knows what will happen could be interesting;D

All you Calzaghe fans are puffing on something if you think Joe at 36 can maintain a torrid pace especially at 175.. God you guys are the blindest of the blind.. Go ahead and ignore Roys crispness, speed, power and fluidity:rolleyes:

keep telling your self that Joe will be a whirlwind and throw 100 punches around

I guarantee you guys are writing checks with your mouths that your asses cant cash.. Just :rolleyes:buck up at make sure your here on Sun the 9th to get yours;)

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I agree with you but what i mean is he can be hurt and put down jones has put down bigger men and is capable of putting calzage away early i dont dought calzages chin against most men but early against jones he should be careful
I do not think calzage can put jones away with one puch i think it would have to be an accumilation of punches so i cannot see calzage stoping jones early in the fight maybe late when jones is tired

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You are right. For those early rounds I just know I am not going to enjoy anything in this fight. Watching the first 4 rounds against Hopkins and Kessler was a nightmare for me because Calzaghe didnt really start great in either of those fights. Kessler was nailing Joe with uppercuts in the fourth and of course was nailed in the first by Hopkins.

Calzaghe does need to be at his best, and he does need to be wary of Jones. Definitely.

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Definatly calzage said himself said he underestimated hopkins and did not train as well as he should have i do not think he will make that mistake again although RJJ is not at the same level as B hop anymore in my opinion and calzage knows that so you never no hemight underestimate him
for me though its calzage in a decision getting stronger with every round that passes

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I dont belive that excuse from Calzaghe . He was facing the best opponent of his career in his American debut . No way would he come in under prepared .

Jones hands are faster than Hopkins so it will be more dangerous for Joe early on but in te later rounds, Jones isnt as good at holding so he will be teh one in trouble when Joe injects his pace .

I normally dont belive excuses either but calzage looked alot slower than normal and did not move as well so i am not sure what to believe but on the other hand you may beay hopkins but you will never look good doing it

Hopkins was Joes perfect foil and thats the way to beat him. Fighting one minute a round and laying against the ropes is the worst way to fight Joe.

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Originally Posted by mrodub

I dont think jones has the legs for the 12 rounds against a guy who has a high work rate, but b hop proved calzage does not have the best chin and jones hits harder than b hop and has fought in his prime bigger and stronger men than calzage i think jones needs to make himself the boss early on and try to get joe out of there as quick as possible because his chances diminish with every round.He should come out swining he has the power the fast hands and an opponant who cannot hurt him early on.
I think calzage will win though jones i fear is just in it for the pay day.

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Calzaghe has an iron jaw.

For JOnes to win, either keep the fight in the middle of the ring like Kessler did against Calzaghe, or clinch off the ropes. Most important Jones has to be in good enough shape that he can throw 40-50 effective punches a round, and be really sharp with his counters. I think if he can do that he will be able to discourage Calzaghe the same way he discouraged everybody else.

A bazooka according to the Joe Calzaghe fans.

I think Joe may struggle. Don't think he's got the punch to unsettle Jones, and despite Jones' age I think speed will be equal. It will be determined by defence, and Jones will be better at that. We should expect a boring fight.

lol Jones is still way faster then Joe its not even a comparison. When you watch them back to back (Calzaghe against Kessler or Hopkins) Then Roy against Henshaw and Trinidad, you see that Roy still has almost the same handspeed he did in his prime except he is more hesistent to throw punches hard. Against Trinidad it took Roy 7-8 rounds just to start actually fully throwing his punches before that he was holding back on them because he was too scared to get hit. I think Calzaghe has a hard will to break, but Roy has broken guys wills that are mentally extremely tough just because it seems hopeless going in there with his speed. But once again he needs to throw to win. Against Tarver in their third fight every round Roy actually threw punches Tarver(not the same Tarver we have recently seen either) had no answer.

Calzaghe has a good chin but not a Iron jaw

How have people suddenly forgotton Jones pitifull performances against Tarver and Johnson?

He is not elite any more, he may well have fooled himself more than his fans if he thinks he can take some good out of his performance with Trinidadad.

Felix lost his last fight before Jones widely at 2 weights below and 3 years before hand;D

How does that give any bearing on a fight against someone who just unified the supermiddles after 11 years as the top boy in that weight and then beats the champ at light heavy:confused:

Jones is in over his head.

I will say this though, we may not see a vintage or workman like Joe, we may see the messy, trying to show boat idiot that we saw against Bika.

He was coming off the win against Lacy and knowing he had accomplished recognition and had more people watching him in america he tried fooling around in the ring and just looked embarrasing, hopefully he doesnt do that here, even if he does, it wont make Jones 30 again.

I think Joe is wise to call it a day here, as good as Hopkins is im not sure that a win over Hopkins and a win over Jones would be enough for Joe at this stage of his career to alklow him to get in with someone young like Dawson.

Although Dawson aint great, its just Joe may have softened fighting the old guard, although he never slouches in training so maybe he could pull off another career defining win against Dawson after this, ill bet hes waiting to see how he feels during this, if he feels good, he may want to do the fight.

Jones fans should stop fooling themselves that they are watching the same fighter that fought Toney.

I do not belive Jones is what he was and by no means is a better fighter than calzage the point i am trying to make is power is the last thing to go he is bigger and stronger than joe and he hits harder so joe has to be careful and not underestimate him as alot of people here are doning if joe boxes clever and uses his full aresnel jones will not get a look in but if he underestimates him he will end the night on his back.
I think thats a fair point for jones fans as well as calzage fans both are expierened fighters so cannot be underestimated
I think calzage will win and win well if he boxes clever

Where is Jones power, he couldnt put a dent in Trinidad, Adjamu, Hanshaw, Johnson or Tarver, infact the last person to feel Jones power was Woods 6 years ago and he finished on his feet.

Jones knows he has not got the legs to keep up with calzage so he will have to throw everything at him early i think he still has somthing not much but who knows

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I normally dont belive excuses either but calzage looked alot slower than normal and did not move as well so i am not sure what to believe but on the other hand you may beay hopkins but you will never look good doing it

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Probably age. Enzo wouldnt let him get away with any slack in training . Joe is gonna age quicker than Hopkins cuz of his style. It wont show vs an old man like Jones but we'd notice it if he fought Chad Dawson .

Yes enzo is a good trainer very motivated it could be age calzage is no spring chicken either.I am no hopkins fan but he is amazing to still be a top flight fighter at his age he has earned my respect