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Is Roy Jones Jr traning hard enough??
I really don't like the fact he hasn't brought in new sparring partners. IMO what he has always done obviously isn't working at the top level anymore. I think he needs young blood in there to spar with. The guys he always spars with are likely guys he is used to. I think he needs to get a variety of opposition that are always different. In 24/7 I know it can be misleading, but I didn't see the same intensity in Jones' training as I did in Joe's. I don't get the sparring partners, fast hands or not one of them is obesse, Roy needs guys in great shape that can throw 100+ fast punches a round at him. I don't see why he can't try to get guys like Andre Ward or Dirrell into his camps, or Demetrius Andrade or whatever young talent he can.
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Re: Is Roy Jones Jr traning hard enough??
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Taeth
I really don't like the fact he hasn't brought in new sparring partners. IMO what he has always done obviously isn't working at the top level anymore. I think he needs young blood in there to spar with. The guys he always spars with are likely guys he is used to. I think he needs to get a variety of opposition that are always different. In 24/7 I know it can be misleading, but I didn't see the same intensity in Jones' training as I did in Joe's. I don't get the sparring partners, fast hands or not one of them is obesse, Roy needs guys in great shape that can throw 100+ fast punches a round at him. I don't see why he can't try to get guys like Andre Ward or Dirrell into his camps, or Demetrius Andrade or whatever young talent he can.
Well Dirrell has a fight this weekend. Andrade just fought his first pro fight, I don't think Andrade would benefit him that much. Ward could be a little useful though. TBH though, I think he needs to find some more experienced, crafty guys, closer to what he's going in against.
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I read he has been sparring a couple of young southpaws with good records but he didn't name them in boxing news.
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Unless he is keeping a lot of secrets on 24/7 it sounds like their are southpaws he usually trains with. It doesn't keep you honest.
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killersheep
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Taeth
I really don't like the fact he hasn't brought in new sparring partners. IMO what he has always done obviously isn't working at the top level anymore. I think he needs young blood in there to spar with. The guys he always spars with are likely guys he is used to. I think he needs to get a variety of opposition that are always different. In 24/7 I know it can be misleading, but I didn't see the same intensity in Jones' training as I did in Joe's. I don't get the sparring partners, fast hands or not one of them is obesse, Roy needs guys in great shape that can throw 100+ fast punches a round at him. I don't see why he can't try to get guys like Andre Ward or Dirrell into his camps, or Demetrius Andrade or whatever young talent he can.
Well Dirrell has a fight this weekend. Andrade just fought his first pro fight, I don't think Andrade would benefit him that much. Ward could be a little useful though. TBH though, I think he needs to find some more experienced, crafty guys, closer to what he's going in against.
They were just examples, but Dirrell could have had his training camp with Roy's.
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Doesn't matter how hard he trains. He gets his ass whooped. Seriousley I been thinking hard about this fight, and the more I think the more it's not going to be close. Jones is shot. Calzaghe wide UD.
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leftylee
Doesn't matter how hard he trains. He gets his ass whooped. Seriousley I been thinking hard about this fight, and the more I think the more it's not going to be close. Jones is shot. Calzaghe wide UD.
your probably rite lefty, but i still want jones to win but if calzaghe retires il still be happy just to have him outta the sport ;)
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In the 24/7 his camp did seem to be a little relaxed, pretty chill stuff but I have no idea how he has trained throughout his career, how hard he goes in camp or anything. The more I think about it though the more I think it just doesn't matter I think Calzaghe is going to win.
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I think he is just being measured,Has to be very careful not to over due it...not a kid anymore and stamina might be an issue.
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think he is just being measured,Has to be very careful not to over due it...not a kid anymore and stamina might be an issue.
Agreed.. Again I wouldn't pull the damn alarm on this.. arguably one of Roys meaningful fights of his career and I doubt he is falling asleep at the wheel in training camp. ROy to me looked more sharp fluid and poised than Calzaghe. Just because Enzo is barking and stealing the show dosent mean Joe is training harder than Roy.
Look at the Hatton 24/7 Ricky looked like a wildman in training compared to the same scrutiny Floyd got for what appeared to be the same Mitt routine him and Roger do..
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think he is just being measured,Has to be very careful not to over due it...not a kid anymore and stamina might be an issue.
Ya, I agree. If Jones loses, it won't be because he didn't train hard enough... it'll be because he's an old fighter and his legs are gone.
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leftylee
Doesn't matter how hard he trains. He gets his ass whooped. Seriousley I been thinking hard about this fight, and the more I think the more it's not going to be close. Jones is shot. Calzaghe wide UD.
I feel a name change bet coming on lol;D
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Regardless of roy jones jrs training, it all depends on his mindset coming into the ring. He could be in the best shape of his life but that isnt going to help him if hes gun shy. If he fights scared, he loses. Calzaghe will pump out punches all night long and Jones lets him and then he will lose a lopsided UD. If jones turns up in the right mindset, uses his right hand effectively then i see a possible tko for roy. Calzaghe is a south paw and we all saw him get caught by bhop in the first round with a right hand straight down the middle. If Bhop can land rights on calzaghe then roy can do it with ease. All he needs to do is turn up to win, not to survive.
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SweetPea
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think he is just being measured,Has to be very careful not to over due it...not a kid anymore and stamina might be an issue.
Ya, I agree. If Jones loses, it won't be because he didn't train hard enough... it'll be because he's an old fighter and his legs are gone.
I disagree that his legs are gone, watch him in Tarver III, against Henshaw, he was moving very fast and sustained it, the problem that he has always had at LHW is he moves straight backwards, and doesn't try to get off the ropes. Against Trinidad I dont' think he was trying to move at all, he wanted to back Trinidad up the whole fight, but early on I think he was just getting a feel for things(though I still believe he picked up most of the early rounds).
I still think Roy never trained as hard as he should have at any point in his career, I don't think he ever needed to. Obviously he trained hard enough to be in great shape, but I have never seen the same comitment from him as from guys like Calzaghe, Mayweather, and Bernard Hopkins.
I think Roy's chances in this fight are based on how hard he trains. I think he should have about 5 or 6 quick southpaws switching off and punching 100 times a round against him so he gets the feel for it.
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Taeth
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SweetPea
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think he is just being measured,Has to be very careful not to over due it...not a kid anymore and stamina might be an issue.
Ya, I agree. If Jones loses, it won't be because he didn't train hard enough... it'll be because he's an old fighter and his legs are gone.
I disagree that his legs are gone, watch him in Tarver III, against Henshaw, he was moving very fast and sustained it, the problem that he has always had at LHW is he moves straight backwards, and doesn't try to get off the ropes. Against Trinidad I dont' think he was trying to move at all, he wanted to back Trinidad up the whole fight, but early on I think he was just getting a feel for things(though I still believe he picked up most of the early rounds).
I still think Roy never trained as hard as he should have at any point in his career, I don't think he ever needed to. Obviously he trained hard enough to be in great shape, but I have never seen the same commitment from him as from guys like Calzaghe, Mayweather, and Bernard Hopkins.
I think Roy's chances in this fight are based on how hard he trains. I think he should have about 5 or 6 quick southpaws switching off and punching 100 times a round against him so he gets the feel for it.
I think its all mute at this point Taeth,We are one week out,any sparring prep should have and might have been addressed earlier.Roy is no dummy,he's been at this for a couple of decades and knows his limitations.I think his legs have looked a bit stiff in spots recently,and thats not including the Tarver & Johnson KO's.I think he will be sitting down more on the right but I can see him having problems down the stretch as he backs.
I agree on Roy's apparent lake of over all focus through the years.I mean,how many times have we seen him sitting ringside watching Gainer while he was up next in main event?Not to mention his dabbling in Basketball at the same time as with a big fight on deck.Roy is a promotion with and of himself,the music,the roosters,the swagger.Right now,I think he is doing what he can do.And I expect as much next Saturday night,I think he'll go for it, but he what he once was.
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If RJJ doesn't win i may stop watching boxing for awhile, i could handle JMM losing, MAB losing. But one of my hero's as a kid losing ? ahh that would effect me bad as a boxing fan. Before i have a Amateur fight, i sometimes watch RJJ fights to give me inspiration. I hope he can retire on top he deserves it.
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ICB
If RJJ doesn't win i may stop watching boxing for awhile, i could handle JMM losing, MAB losing. But one of my hero's as a kid losing ? ahh that would effect me bad as a boxing fan. Before i have a Amateur fight, i sometimes watch RJJ fights to give me inspiration. I hope he can retire on top he deserves it.
Come on man don't do a Pride Of Boston and run off :D
All of our fav's lose. It's the sport of boxing.
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leftylee
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ICB
If RJJ doesn't win i may stop watching boxing for awhile, i could handle JMM losing, MAB losing. But one of my hero's as a kid losing ? ahh that would effect me bad as a boxing fan. Before i have a Amateur fight, i sometimes watch RJJ fights to give me inspiration. I hope he can retire on top he deserves it.
Come on man don't do a Pride Of Boston and run off :D
All of our fav's lose. It's the sport of boxing.
Don't mean run off bro just stop watching boxing for awhile, when MAB lost i didn't watch boxing for almost a month :o
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ICB
If RJJ doesn't win i may stop watching boxing for awhile, i could handle JMM losing, MAB losing. But one of my hero's as a kid losing ? ahh that would effect me bad as a boxing fan. Before i have a Amateur fight, i sometimes watch RJJ fights to give me inspiration. I hope he can retire on top he deserves it.
If that's the case how did you handle back-to-back KO losses?
You should be watching another sport now ;)
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snakey
Regardless of roy jones jrs training, it all depends on his mindset coming into the ring. He could be in the best shape of his life but that isnt going to help him if hes gun shy. If he fights scared, he loses. Calzaghe will pump out punches all night long and Jones lets him and then he will lose a lopsided UD. If jones turns up in the right mindset, uses his right hand effectively then i see a possible tko for roy. Calzaghe is a south paw and we all saw him get caught by bhop in the first round with a right hand straight down the middle. If Bhop can land rights on calzaghe then roy can do it with ease. All he needs to do is turn up to win, not to survive.
I am a firm believer that if you train hard you make yourself fight with a certain mindset. I think if you train hard it makes you focused, it makes you sharp. I truly believe Calzaghe isn't as great of a physical specimen as some of touted him, but that his training methods and focus are what make him great. I can't see Roy ko'ing Calzaghe, the one thing he doesn't have is his power of old. I think mainly because he is gun shy Roy takes steam of his punches so he can cover up quicker ala Winky Wright.
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ICB
If RJJ doesn't win i may stop watching boxing for awhile, i could handle JMM losing, MAB losing. But one of my hero's as a kid losing ? ahh that would effect me bad as a boxing fan. Before i have a Amateur fight, i sometimes watch RJJ fights to give me inspiration. I hope he can retire on top he deserves it.
If that's the case how did you handle back-to-back KO losses?
You should be watching another sport now ;)
Read what i said Fenster i said i will stop watching the sport, for a month i didn't say i'd quit watching the sport altogether. And when he did get KO'ed back to back i did stop following boxing for quite sometime.
One last thing don't tell me what i should and shouldn't do thank you very much.
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ICB
JMM just beat Casamayor by a spectacular KO. You felt JMM won(though he didn't) against Pacquiao, and Barrera fought a great fight against JMM before he was relatively easily handled by Pacquiao.
Roy is expected to lose, and doesn'tt have much of chance here. He is too far over the hill mentally IMO. He is way too gunshy to win. Does he have the physical tools to beat Calzaghe? Absolutely, but will he use thoseabilities like he used to? Likely not. Perfect example of this? Jones-Tarver III, the two or three rounds he punched he badly hurt Tarver, and Tarver had no answer for Roy's offensive arsenal, but that was only for 2 rounds.
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ICB
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Fenster
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ICB
If RJJ doesn't win i may stop watching boxing for awhile, i could handle JMM losing, MAB losing. But one of my hero's as a kid losing ? ahh that would effect me bad as a boxing fan. Before i have a Amateur fight, i sometimes watch RJJ fights to give me inspiration. I hope he can retire on top he deserves it.
If that's the case how did you handle back-to-back KO losses?
You should be watching another sport now ;)
Read what i said Fenster i said i will stop watching the sport, for a month i didn't say i'd quit watching the sport altogether. And when he did get KO'ed back to back i did stop following boxing for quite sometime.
One last thing don't tell me what i should and shouldn't do thank you very much.
I read exactly what you said.
If you're gonna be so UPSET watching Roy get spanked by Calzaghe then you should have been beyond devastated watching Roy get sparked unconcious - twice. Fact.
One last thing - I'm not telling you to do anything ;)
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I hope its a good fight and they both come in at 110% of what they can,but really this is only for our money.
If it had ment more to either of them on any other level , they would have made it happen earlier when it really counted.
Now built in excuses can naturally be a part of this fight with not as much face or glory to be lost, specially in Roys case. If he comes in cold or podgy we've been had.
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I was wondering the same thing. I mean the one guy he "slap fights" with looks old and fat. Not to be mean but how can he bring Roys game up for the fight?
For me it would be a dream come true for Roy to beat Joe convincingly but I dont think it will happen. Im not a Joe hatter just have been a big Roy fan for years.
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I love these dramatic excalamations of claims. If that's how that is worded, I don't know. Man, when Lacy lost to Calzaghe, THAT SUCKED. That like really sucked, like really really sucked. About as much as anything in any sport can crush you like. I felt like I did when the Giants dropped game 6 of the world series, it was crushing. But I even came on here that night, I don't think even something like that especially at this stage of Roy's career would conjure up a reaction like that.
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The oddest one was Yoitsdan, dude just flat out never came back after Hatton-Mayweather.
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Oh and I don't think it matters to be honest, he's still fast but he doesn't have the legs or explosiveness anymore. I don't see him winning more than 1 or two rounds.
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I am as big a Roy Jones fan as anybody...but he is physically past his prime and more importantly...mentally...he is no where near the fighter he once was. For whatever the reasons...the knockouts towards the end of his career have changed him (they would change ANY fighter). Does he still have fast hands....sure. But he has lost his tremendous reflexes...and he has definitely lost that confidence that he had in his prime...that when he stepped into the ring...no one could handle him physically. He is gun shy for a reason. He fought a completely SHOT and inactive Tito...and sure he won...but he hardly looked spectacular. I am no fan of Joe's at all...and i still wouldn't be shocked if Roy won. But this fight is happening many years too late.
