Will he remembered as an all time great or do those losses to Vince Phillips and Ricky Hatton affect his leagacy ? Whats your opinions ? Thanks.
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Will he remembered as an all time great or do those losses to Vince Phillips and Ricky Hatton affect his leagacy ? Whats your opinions ? Thanks.
Who?;D
I don't think becoming an old man and losing to a peek Ricky Hatton affects your legacy!
As a monster for his weight?
One of my all time favorite fighters. A great combination of skill, power, and intelligence...no to mention a class act inside and outside of the ring. His loss to Phillips was a stylistic issue...and to an extent so was his loss to Hatton (though i think his age didn't help in the Ricky fight). Definitely an all time great for me.
as a great ;D
ATG in my mind.
One of my most missed fighters:(
hatton was class when he faught kosta wasnt as open as he has been recently
Awesome fighter,the Braid flying around when he launched that sharp over hand right,Telling Jim Grey to "Please,you respect me,you respect" when Grey went into one of his babble tirads,Great level of competion from the start,That odd grin,making Judah one of the most downloaded tap dancers ever seen in the ring,Body puncher,making Uncle Roger appear to have a good chin by lasting 12 with him,Witty,etc,etc......fun as helz to watch!
I will forever remember him for starting the music in which Zab Judah danced to.
Honestly, Tszyu is one of favorite fighters ever. He's a great combination of boxing skill, fighter's heart, and gentleman's class. He's the type of fighter that comes along all too rarely nowadays. Let's hope we see more like him in the future.
Kostya is the guy who took me from being a casual fan to an addicted fight fan. His combination of skill and power were amazing, not many guys at 140 have ever hit that hard.
Unfortunately he never got to fight a massive 'name' fighter like ODLH, Mosely, Mayweather etc I would have loved to have seen him against one of those guys. He was always too much risk, too little reward for these guys. KOing Zab in 2 probably didnt help him get a fight with the big money men either......
He seems reasonably smart too, realised when he was done, and past his best and as yet hasnt returned to the ring. Rarely does this happen with great fighters.
I think he will be remembered as one of the most respected fighters of his era. He aint everyones favourite but not many have a bad word for him. How many fighters can u say that about?
respect for realizing it was time to hang up the gloves, and sticking to it.
I always admired his incredible timing as well. Timed his punches as well as anyone. No question a lot of "big names" wanted to avoid him like the plague.
Here is a cracking Kostya vid. It starts with his 2 losses, which I kind of like and shows a lot of great footage. Good song too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23dS7...eature=related
I was one of the originals of Kostyas forum and the Tszyu crew ,love the guy for everything he bought to the sport and the interest that he generated from within Australia Russia and also many from America once they realized he came to fight not just survive everytime.Sign of a real Champ.
I think the two losses were both great fights.
I feel if Kostya had used all of the boxing skills that I know he has he may of turned those fights into a scoring match, instead of fighting the fight that the fans want to see; as in (move in get it on, see who is the strongest fastest more powerful); then he may have faired better but the fights wouldnt have been great battles if he had.
Kostya comes to test out himself and others every time, (Ok maybe not with his mate Leiga) But thats the only one; it was the first fight after a huge long break from injury and I think it was a tune up and he came out cold,so we didnt get to see the real him shine out.
Anyway both Vince and Ricky beat him at his own game and both took as much as they gave and Kostya caved in standing his ground fighting his fight.
Props to both Phillips and Hatton for having a real Champs number.
Kostya will always be remembered as one of the greatest 140 lb fighters of all time. Unfortunately he will also be remembered for his loss to Hatton. This is not a slight on KT, but it is a fact compounded by the mass of the Hatton fan base.
KT was always great to watch his timing was unreal. Seemed he was in just the right place at just the right time. I wish he would have hung around a little longer, I think he could of had some good fights left in him for sure.
Dam he could hit hard. Bergman looked like he ws killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Great post Andre, being from the forum you will remember that Kostya fought Hatton because he asked his fans on the forum who they would like him to fight next and most voted Hatton;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Gotta love the way he is with his fans, doing all the live forum chats with them was great reading.
Tzyu was a class act thats for sure. And a great fighter, his right hand was lethal at 140. His wins against Mitchell twice and Judah once stand out.
Still I can't shake the fact that he quit against Hatton.
It stays with me as the most defining thing about Kostya Tzyu. Which isn't fair. But still.
i think he will be most remembered for makin zab do the chicken dance ;D
This will sound crazy, but i always saw the quit to hatton as a passing of the torch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
He saw hattons heart, his will, he saw how badly hatton wanted it.
He was content with relinquishing all of his glory to hatton.
I just always thought there was much more to it.
plus he was tired of getting punched in the balls ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileThis will sound crazy, but i always saw the quit to hatton as a passing of the torch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
He saw hattons heart, his will, he saw how badly hatton wanted it.
He was content with relinquishing all of his glory to hatton.
I just always thought there was much more to it.
Beat me to it. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepplus he was tired of getting punched in the balls ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileThis will sound crazy, but i always saw the quit to hatton as a passing of the torch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
He saw hattons heart, his will, he saw how badly hatton wanted it.
He was content with relinquishing all of his glory to hatton.
I just always thought there was much more to it.
According to Kostyas trainer Johnny Lewis, he didnt quit, they stopped the fight. Apparently it caused a bit of a rift between KT and Johnny, cos Kostya wanted to keep going. I think it was the right decision in the long run, he wasnt gonna win as long as Dave Parris was ref. Hatton was free to do whatever he wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Just watched the end of the 11th again.. Kostya tells the ref he's done. The ref comes over and he shakes his head.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleAccording to Kostyas trainer Johnny Lewis, he didnt quit, they stopped the fight. Apparently it caused a bit of a rift between KT and Johnny, cos Kostya wanted to keep going. I think it was the right decision in the long run, he wasnt gonna win as long as Dave Parris was ref. Hatton was free to do whatever he wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
The Hatton fight has always been a hard pill for me to swallow. Everything about that fight just seemed stacked against Tszyu. Kostya fighting in Manchester, a horrible referee, Tszyu not really in his prime anymore, etc. Not trying to short change Ricky for the result...he did what he had to and took full advantage of the circumstances...but for me personally...that fight is not indicative of Tszyu's true greatness or his career as a whole.
Tszyu will be remembered as argueably the greatest 140 lbr. ever...
and why not in a div. that has had fighters such as Pryor, JCC, Cervantes & Locche. I say Tszyus got as good of a shot as they do.
For his power for his training regime for his long reign as a champ there for the long career I mean he rained supreme for about 9 yrs.
Tszyu will def. be a Hall of famer.
Hall of Fame fighter and an ATG at 140.
Yeh an old 35 year old with less fights than Hatton and only one real war in the ring (Philips) and coming off one of his best career wins (Mitchell) where he looked awesome. Amazing how he became old and shot between fights :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76
His KO win over Zab Judh was the moment that will be shown on the highlight reels of KT.
IMO his best and most spectacular win.
I felt the zab stoppage was terrible imo. Sure, he got up and fell back down.. but thats no reason to call the fight just because he was falling again. It was just so damn funny to watch. I always laugh seeing zab dance.
What are yo saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
Should it have been stopped or not?
Nah, I don't think it should have been stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaWhat are yo saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
Should it have been stopped or not?
Zab had alot of time and stood up too fast and was off balance and still
a bit wobbled, so fell again. The ref stopped it out of reflex IMO. Seeing zab stumble
around like that after standing.
I personally wouldn't have stopped it.
The ref had never even started counting yet.
What a cracking vid, just favourited that on my you tube account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I'm lying here in bed feeling sorry for myself after spending the night hugging the toilet chucking up my guts with some sort of virus.
That vid of KT has inspired me to 'man the fuck up' and get dressed for work. Well it did until I opened the curtains and saw the rain, you can't lay brick in the rain you know... ;)
The definition of Class Act is Kostya Tszyu. :cool:
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Originally Posted by intoccabileNah, I don't think it should have been stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaWhat are yo saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
Should it have been stopped or not?
Zab had alot of time and stood up too fast and was off balance and still
a bit wobbled, so fell again. The ref stopped it out of reflex IMO. Seeing zab stumble
around like that after standing.
I personally wouldn't have stopped it.
The ref had never even started counting yet.
What about the Tyson-Berbick fight should that have been stopped?
Or how about Tommy Morrison-Ray Mercer?
:rolleyes:
They were clearly out.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileNah, I don't think it should have been stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Zab had alot of time and stood up too fast and was off balance and still
a bit wobbled, so fell again. The ref stopped it out of reflex IMO. Seeing zab stumble
around like that after standing.
I personally wouldn't have stopped it.
The ref had never even started counting yet.
What about the Tyson-Berbick fight should that have been stopped?
Or how about Tommy Morrison-Ray Mercer?
:rolleyes:
REwatch the zab knock out.
He recovered as soon as he hit the canvas again.
Berbick was OUT.
Morrison was OUT
Zab had full composure and had every right to complain
Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileThey were clearly out.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
What about the Tyson-Berbick fight should that have been stopped?
Or how about Tommy Morrison-Ray Mercer?
:rolleyes:
REwatch the zab knock out.
He recovered as soon as he hit the canvas again.
Berbick was OUT.
Morrison was OUT
Zab had full composure and had every right to complain
Well having watched it again I still think it was a good stoppage by the reff.
Zabs legs were gone!
http://http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2o7A3rMN6Co
i thin he should be remember as the best 140 fighter