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The way after a fighter beats his opponent the oppenent suddenly becomes shot. Like before a fight, nobody was saying he was shot and some were picking him to even beat the fighter. Yet when the fighter destroys the opponent, they're all of a sudden shot. LOL. Seriousley, it baffles me.
Mayweather-Gatti and Hatton-Castillo are a couple of examples.
Gatti was "shot" long before Floyd got to him. He had very little left in the Ward trilogy and that pretty much emptied his tank as far as true championship caliber goes. His name kept landing him fights, but his best days were far behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Sometimes a fighter can become shot in an instant. That is the nature of boxing.
I guess we can add Kelly Pavlik to the list as well.Seeing how Hopkins made Pavlik a shot fighter after that loss.
P.S. I just wanted to say goodbye to my sweet avatar and sig. GOODBYE
Totally agree mate. Of course if the beaten fighter is young and people can't use that excuse they say he was a rookie and untestedQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
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Originally Posted by DeanrwGatti was "shot" long before Floyd got to him. He had very little left in the Ward trilogy and that pretty much emptied his tank as far as true championship caliber goes. His name kept landing him fights, but his best days were far behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
But Gatti was coming off a great win streak prior to Floyd. And many were picking him to win.
Agreed, but this would normally happen when a fighter has had a series of gruelling fights an a really tough career. Using Tzsyu as an example, he had hardly been in any tough fights and had looked sensational a few months before fighting Hatton in afight where he hardly got hit and the critics said he lookd at his peak.Quote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
Well the ones that picked him I bet did not put money on him. I mean he was still game and was still an offensive power house, but he was certainly on the decline. Even if he was in his prime, he was tailor made for Floyd. I know I wanted him to beat Floyd and everyone else he fought, but he was still very vulnerable. I knew Floyd was going to eat him alive, even though my heart did not want to believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeQuote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwGatti was "shot" long before Floyd got to him. He had very little left in the Ward trilogy and that pretty much emptied his tank as far as true championship caliber goes. His name kept landing him fights, but his best days were far behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
But Gatti was coming off a great win streak prior to Floyd. And many were picking him to win.
He does deserve an entry into the Fall of Fame in my book though. Most exciting fighter of his generation by far.
Gatti WAS shot when Floyd got to him, a punishing De la Hoya fight followed by the Ward fights made sure of that. A prime Gatti facing Floyd would still lose anyway so I'm not taking nothing from Mayweather.
Castillo was fighting a good fight untill that left hook landed but I can't see how him being in his prime would dismiss the effects of a shot like that. I took a shot like that and I thought I had serious internal damage, never known pain like it.
I actually think the Tszyu fight had a huge effect on Ricky Hatton, he has never been the same since, his punch resistance is much worse. Maussa hurt him, Collazo hurt him, Urango hurt him, Mayweather certainly hurt him and so did Lazcano but he is still very capable i.e. not shot, just on the slide, after the Malignaggi fight he will be shot however.
I think sometimes you never know if a fighter is shot until they fight a top level guy, which might explain why no one claims they are shot before hand.
Become shot overnight... That's what will happen on Dec. 6 ... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
What? How's Malignaggi gonna ruin anybody decent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Actually Arturo Gatti wasn't considered shot, he was considered better than ever with his new boxing skills. With solid wins over 32-0 Gianluca Branco, Jesse James Leija, Leonard Dorin. Thats why alot of people on this forum thought Arturo Gatti would win.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwGatti was "shot" long before Floyd got to him. He had very little left in the Ward trilogy and that pretty much emptied his tank as far as true championship caliber goes. His name kept landing him fights, but his best days were far behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
I dont know anyone who thought Gatti would win.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBActually Arturo Gatti wasn't considered shot, he was considered better than ever with his new boxing skills. With solid wins over 32-0 Gianluca Branco, Jesse James Leija, Leonard Dorin. Thats why alot of people on this forum thought Arturo Gatti would win.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwGatti was "shot" long before Floyd got to him. He had very little left in the Ward trilogy and that pretty much emptied his tank as far as true championship caliber goes. His name kept landing him fights, but his best days were far behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
In fact, during the time, FLoyd was the fight that everyone kept telling gatti NOT to take. But gatti decided to take it anyway saying he had to prove a point. That he knows how tough a fight this is and he knows it's a fight he isn't supposed to win, but he doesn't want to duck.
How anyone thought Gatti would win this fight is pretty dumb.
Look back a lot of the guys on here thought Gatti would win, it was ridiculous, Roy JOnes told them so, and I was saying that Floyd would destroy Gatti all along. I think Gatti would have been destroyed by Mayweather even in his prime even if Mayweather weighed in at 130.Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileI dont know anyone who thought Gatti would win.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBActually Arturo Gatti wasn't considered shot, he was considered better than ever with his new boxing skills. With solid wins over 32-0 Gianluca Branco, Jesse James Leija, Leonard Dorin. Thats why alot of people on this forum thought Arturo Gatti would win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
In fact, during the time, FLoyd was the fight that everyone kept telling gatti NOT to take. But gatti decided to take it anyway saying he had to prove a point. That he knows how tough a fight this is and he knows it's a fight he isn't supposed to win, but he doesn't want to duck.
How anyone thought Gatti would win this fight is pretty dumb.
I don't think being shot is a permanent thing. I think you can eventually recover if you can adapt. Holyfield is considered shot because he isn't what he once was, but he could probably still beat 95% of the proffesional heavyweights.
Being shot is in comparison to your prime. I think prime Castillo would have beaten Hatton, he's just as good of an in fighter if not better, he hits harder, and could take a shot better.
What makes me laugh is that Hopkins beats a guy who is considered better than he is, and people think Hopkins is in the prime of his career at 43 because he didn't get the fights that he should have when he was younger(largely his own fault).
Didn't Hatton-Tzsyu happen after Tzsyu had been off for almost 2 years because of surgeries?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HAgreed, but this would normally happen when a fighter has had a series of gruelling fights an a really tough career. Using Tzsyu as an example, he had hardly been in any tough fights and had looked sensational a few months before fighting Hatton in afight where he hardly got hit and the critics said he lookd at his peak.Quote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
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Originally Posted by leftylee
Fighters unlike other sports people only find out when they are past it when they are getting punched in the face.
Gatti was shot but Castillo beat N`gogou the guy who was robbed against Paulie. Its an American thing Lacy was over-rated, Kessler fought no-one, tszyu was old, Hopkins was shot etc...............................
No Tszyu destroyed Sharmba Mitchell in 3 rounds about 6 months before the Hatton fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceDidn't Hatton-Tzsyu happen after Tzsyu had been off for almost 2 years because of surgeries?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HAgreed, but this would normally happen when a fighter has had a series of gruelling fights an a really tough career. Using Tzsyu as an example, he had hardly been in any tough fights and had looked sensational a few months before fighting Hatton in afight where he hardly got hit and the critics said he lookd at his peak.Quote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
Agree.I wish many would shout just as loud Before the match up's as they do once it has concluded.A lot of revisionist history form & take shape when it comes to one's favorite fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
I thought it was going to be something about Joe Calzaghe's style of fighting;D
Kessler is still a very good fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Fighters unlike other sports people only find out when they are past it when they are getting punched in the face.
Gatti was shot but Castillo beat N`gogou the guy who was robbed against Paulie. Its an American thing Lacy was over-rated, Kessler fought no-one, tszyu was old, Hopkins was shot etc...............................