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Given the Calzaghe v. Jones fight this weekend, I thought discussion of the subject is timely.
When did the British v. American boxing rivalry originate? I assume in the bare knuckles era.
How strong is it?
As a British or American citizen, are you more likely to root for a fighter from your country?
For example, with exceptions of course, I've found many British fans are critical of Kelly Pavlik and many American fans are likewise critical of Joe Calzaghe.
I couldn't care less where a fighter is from. Either I like them or I dont.
Im English and im rooting for RJJ, boxing to me isn't about country vs country. Its about individual tastes, RJJ was one of my idols growing up and i loved his style thats why im rooting for him. I respect Joe Calzaghe as a fighter but i can't really get into his style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I will always want a British fighter to win over a foreign fighter, American or not. Whether I expect them to win or not is another matter.
Thats the way it should be IMO, just my opinion of course before certain parties get their knickers in a twist.
Now that's what I'm talking about :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
who is the stronger boxing nation ?
actually i suppose its americans as they have a much bigger population
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Originally Posted by leggy
Yep, but not pro rata ;D
Well thats a no-brainer of course the USA is. But there about 100x bigger than our country. But i think us Brits haven't been doing to bad in the last few years, although we've had a few bad results lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by leggy
If Toney fights Haye I would like to see Toney knock him out.
Calzaghe fights Jones, I want to see Jones laid out square.
Its about the fighters all the way for me.
Fucking Koreans ave got to ya, you aint talking sense ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
I am british and there for would always back my country in any sport!!
its like saying if england played Brazil in the world cup final, you would prefer Brazil to win because they hav a more exciting style, or better technique..
Back your country!!
Good on you Miles for not following the crowd, you can root for whoever you want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
i suppose it depends how patriotic you are!!! some more than others..
Its boxing not country vs country its got nothing to do with how patriotic you are. Im very proud to be English but im also a true boxing fan, so i root for the fighter who i like the most in there ring, for whichever attribute i like the most, not because of what country they come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
I root for every British fighter bar Junior Twitter.
Listen: I probably, more-often-than-not, root for the American. But, not always. Some fighters are hard not to like. For example, no one is without deficiencies, but I've always found Ricky Hatton to be very likeable.
Good call.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBIts boxing not country vs country its got nothing to do with how patriotic you are. Im very proud to be English but im also a true boxing fan, so i root for the fighter who i like the most in there ring, for whichever attribute i like the most, not because of what country they come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
That is a distinct possibilty, but those are my two favorite fighters. Ive never bet against them and I love their styles. Superb boxers, the both of them. And David Haye is possibly the most unlikeable person since Peter Andre. Hope he gets sparked.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HFucking Koreans ave got to ya, you aint talking sense ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
It's got everything to do with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBIts boxing not country vs country its got nothing to do with how patriotic you are. Im very proud to be English but im also a true boxing fan, so i root for the fighter who i like the most in there ring, for whichever attribute i like the most, not because of what country they come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
So you root for a cocky, loud mouth boring fighter in Junior Witter ? All because he's British. He's actually a disgrace to Britain. When Timothy Bradley landed that over hand right I was literally jumping up and down.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HIt's got everything to do with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBIts boxing not country vs country its got nothing to do with how patriotic you are. Im very proud to be English but im also a true boxing fan, so i root for the fighter who i like the most in there ring, for whichever attribute i like the most, not because of what country they come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
Whats the point in going over this again with you ? i tried to discuss this reasonably yesterday. And you reduced yourself to insulting me, and acting like a child trying to bait me in saying crap like "stumble"Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HIt's got everything to do with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBIts boxing not country vs country its got nothing to do with how patriotic you are. Im very proud to be English but im also a true boxing fan, so i root for the fighter who i like the most in there ring, for whichever attribute i like the most, not because of what country they come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
boxing's never been a patriotic thing with me honestly, I stayed up till four in the morning to watch the US win the gold in basketball so there are sporting events I get patriotic about, just for whatever reason its never really been that way with boxing.
I mean if you get wrapped up in that stuff then you're forced to do distasteful things like root for fucking Carl Froch.
I think you'll find it's your self rightgeous, I am the oracle of all things boxing nobody else is ever right posting style that causes conflict with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWhats the point in going over this again with you ? i tried to discuss this reasonably yesterday. And you reduced yourself to insulting me, and acting like a child trying to bait me in saying crap like "stumble"Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HIt's got everything to do with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Big H would you still root for all of your home fighters if Paulie Malignaggi was born in London ;D
He got a hair cut in the middle of a fight, that has to be taken into consideration.
I don't make out i know everything nor do i make out im always right, you basically implyed i was traitor in the last thread. I let it go and just debated back, then you took it a step further and forced me to defend myself. Then when you couldn't debate back, you took the easy way out and started acting like a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI think you'll find it's your self rightgeous, I am the oracle of all things boxing nobody else is ever right posting style that causes conflict with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWhats the point in going over this again with you ? i tried to discuss this reasonably yesterday. And you reduced yourself to insulting me, and acting like a child trying to bait me in saying crap like "stumble"Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
The traitor post was blatantly a joke, but if the shoe fits ;) I'll debate with you anytime about Boxing or anything else you fancy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI don't make out i know everything nor do i make out im always right, you basically implyed i was traitor in the last thread. I let it go and just debated back, then you took it a step further and forced me to defend myself. Then when you couldn't debate back, you took the easy way out and started acting like a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI think you'll find it's your self rightgeous, I am the oracle of all things boxing nobody else is ever right posting style that causes conflict with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I can't really recall any of my favourite non-British fighters fighting one of ours.
Barrera beating Hamed was hilarious, 'cause he was a bit of a tit ;D
I always liked Holyfield but I wanted Lewis to beat him.
I can't actually think of any American fighters I like at the minute anyway, they're all arrogant and over-hyped -well, apart from Floyd... he's just arrogant :lickish:
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
;D
I will always support the fighter who represents my country of birth and where i live,course i will.
How it should be...are the tens of thousands that follow Hatton to vegas wrong?...NO they do it for a reason (PROPER fans)
Strange that we Never see a US army of fans coming to the UK on big fights and i can't remeber any ever doing so...NONE at Lacy v Joe!
It's not a dig at anyone/country but because we are an island race and a small one at that that we feel more "connected" to our fighters hense the greater support of our boys over yours:)
It's that simple.;)
At end it was but not before it wasn't i get pissed of, people keep calling me a traitor. Yotisdan also did this and questioned my family values ETC. I just think boxing is about individual tastes, i never said you was wrong you have your opinion i have mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HThe traitor post was blatantly a joke, but if the shoe fits ;) I'll debate with you anytime about Boxing or anything else you fancy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI don't make out i know everything nor do i make out im always right, you basically implyed i was traitor in the last thread. I let it go and just debated back, then you took it a step further and forced me to defend myself. Then when you couldn't debate back, you took the easy way out and started acting like a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
But i didn't think you went about the right way yesterday at all, i got nothing against you we normally get on fine. And i don't mind joking about with you, but come on BIG H until the end you were serious with your comments.
I think the size of the two countries does make a difference but I also think Derrick Gainer makes a difference, Zahir Raheem, John Ruiz, Rocky Juarez, etc. I'd rather be punched in the testicles and shot in the face than root for any of them.
Well technically Ruiz is not ours.
when i fighter boxes he represents his nation...
If you choose not to support a boxer who is representing ur nation thats call!
Simple as that
Class post thatQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
It's like Rocky said................
"You may not understand now, but you will when it's over....believe me you will when it's over"
Very true
You guys have to take into consideration there's only ever a small pool of "world class" Brit fighters compared with America.
For example - Tim Bradley was a no-one in boxing, meant/means NOTHING to the majority of American fans, but out of the blue takes the world title of Junior Witter, who was the 3rd or 4th BEST rated fighter in Britain.
I don't think Froch is much cop. But barring Calzaghe i'd cheer for him against everyone else on the world scene.
I am irish so lets just say we dont have too many top pros but i would always support one of my own if they were fighting i will support calzage because he is are neighbour in wales this is not a dig at anyones country.
I do judge boxers on there ability for example i would say i believe roy jones when he was younger is a superior fighter to calzage but i would rather calzage wins.
I do not support boxers soley based on there ability though look at mayweather loads of talent and he is a mouth look a junior whitter good fighter but i would never support him.http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...cons/icon8.gif
I just like to always see two men go to war in the ring!Im not too bothered on where they from!I just want to see a really good fight and see both fighters "Whoever" they are give it they all and show the fans and the world they true grit and talent!!!It's how all battles should be fought and settled "Fist to chin";)After all thats all you were given when you were brought into this crule world!
Thats the way i see it!Im old school for my age,but i like it that way!
Yeh - I knew Hatton wouldn't beat Mayweather, but I supported him 100% and wanted him to win. I had JC v Lacy and Kessler as 50/50 fights before they started, but always supported JC. You can think a fighter is going to lose and appreciate that he isn't as good as his opponent, but I could just never WANT a British fighter to lose