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Will Cotto Be The Same
I have seen the Marg/Cotto fight over 10 times and although Cotto was seemingly on his way to UD victory you can see Margarito literally steal his heart and beat the fighter out of him, that was as about as brutal of an ending as you will see, whether it was the polarizing images or the drama of the announcing or the magnitude of the ethnic boxing rivalry between Puerto Rico and Mexico.
Cotto who already had a questionable chin, no doubt has a huge dent in it, and that dosent bode well against guys like Clottey, Williams, Berto, Cintron and even Margarito who IMO Cotto should avoid him like the plague or that will be the end of him for good...
I know great fighters comeback from adversity but very few can comeback from a demolishen like that and regain even half of their former self..
Good Luck to him going forward, I hate to see such a spectacular fighter and up on the scrap heap, like a Meldrick Taylor maybe even Jeff Lacy depending on how he looks this weekend.. Boxing is such an unforgiving sport:-\
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I have seen the Marg/Cotto fight over 10 times and although Cotto was seemingly on his way to UD victory you can see Margarito literally steal his heart and beat the fighter out of him, that was as about as brutal of an ending as you will see, whether it was the polarizing images or the drama of the announcing or the magnitude of the ethnic boxing rivalry between Puerto Rico and Mexico.
Cotto who already had a questionable chin, no doubt has a huge dent in it, and that dosent bode well against guys like Clottey, Williams, Berto, Cintron and even Margarito who IMO Cotto should avoid him like the plague or that will be the end of him for good...
I know great fighters comeback from adversity but very few can comeback from a demolishen like that and regain even half of their former self..
Good Luck to him going forward, I hate to see such a spectacular fighter and up on the scrap heap, like a Meldrick Taylor maybe even Jeff Lacy depending on how he looks this weekend.. Boxing is such an unforgiving sport:-\
He will never be the same mentally IMO, when someone beats you like that and takes your heart/pride like that. Its hurts any fighter real bad mentally, and that scar will always be there.
And when he is in another tough fight which he will be, the Antonio Margarito fight will always be in the back of his mind.
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Wow no one else has an opinion about this?
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Trust me, I have an opinion on this. :furious2:
But I'll have to wait until I get home tonight to voice it.
The bossman is lurking, so I have to watch it.
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Trust me, I have an opinion on this. :furious2:
But I'll have to wait until I get home tonight to voice it.
The bossman is lurking, so I have to watch it.
Dont get to bent out of shape Di, I wasnt taking a shot at him, its just the question is appropriate seeing how brutal the fight was ;)
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I guess we'll soon see. I really really hope he can get over the KO loss but fighting Margarito so soon isn't exactly the best route to take to do so. I know people that need humbling or a challenge to bring out their absolute best and I hope Cotto is like that.
If he doesn't recover, then we can all say no one can fully recover from something like that. But if does, it would just make me that much bigger of a fan.
Will Cotto Be The Same? My answer is, I hope so..
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I have to disagree with JT and Ice. I think the determination with which Cotto is pursuing the rematch demonstrates that while Margarito may have beaten him, he did not break his will or his spirit.
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Losses affect fighters differently: Some put it to one side, take the experience and come back stronger.
Others dwell on the defeat and never regain the form they showed previousley.
Only time we will tell which one Cotto fits into when he fights again. And until then we just have to keep on guessing.
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I think his chin held up all right against Margo, he just got overwhelmed.
I don't think he's done or anything, there could be some credence to the idea that he won't want to put himself through many wars anymore though, just is a wait and see thing, nobody knows.
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I hear what your saying, but he didnt get KO'd he got beaten into submission, he didnt quit on his stool, he took knee's because it was to much for him to take.. I hope he is the same, but give me a past example of a fighter of Cotto's caliber that was beaten up that badly, and came back like he never missed a tick and was restored to greatness
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I hear what your saying, but he didnt get KO'd he got beaten into submission, he didnt quit on his stool, he took knee's because it was to much for him to take.. I hope he is the same, but give me a past example of a fighter of Cotto's caliber that was beaten up that badly, and came back like he never missed a tick and was restored to greatness
I actually didn't think the KO was that bad.
I mean he completely domianted the first half.
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I have to disagree with JT and Ice. I think the determination with which Cotto is pursuing the rematch demonstrates that while Margarito may have beaten him, he did not break his will or his spirit.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-*
I have to go spread some luv around so I can hit you up with some rep for that!
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I hear what your saying, but he didnt get KO'd he got beaten into submission, he didnt quit on his stool, he took knee's because it was to much for him to take.. I hope he is the same, but give me a past example of a fighter of Cotto's caliber that was beaten up that badly, and came back like he never missed a tick and was restored to greatness
I actually didn't think the KO was that bad.
I mean he completely domianted the first half.
Lefty watch it again he got busted up pretty bad at the end, he was cut swollen and bleeding profusely along with a broken nose... Like I said in my 1st post the irony is he was well on his way to cruising to a UD, Marg was denting him up along the way and Cotto showed toughness, but at the end he got the fighter beaten out of him
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I hear what your saying, but he didnt get KO'd he got beaten into submission, he didnt quit on his stool, he took knee's because it was to much for him to take.. I hope he is the same, but give me a past example of a fighter of Cotto's caliber that was beaten up that badly, and came back like he never missed a tick and was restored to greatness
There's a first time for everything, and Cotto's just the guy that will prove you wrong! ;) ;D
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I have to disagree with JT and Ice. I think the determination with which Cotto is pursuing the rematch demonstrates that while Margarito may have beaten him, he did not break his will or his spirit.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-*
I have to go spread some luv around so I can hit you up with some rep for that!
You dont think Taylor felt the same way about the Chavez rematch?
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I hear what your saying, but he didnt get KO'd he got beaten into submission, he didnt quit on his stool, he took knee's because it was to much for him to take.. I hope he is the same, but give me a past example of a fighter of Cotto's caliber that was beaten up that badly, and came back like he never missed a tick and was restored to greatness
I actually didn't think the KO was that bad.
I mean he completely domianted the first half.
Lefty watch it again he got busted up pretty bad at the end, he was cut swollen and bleeding profusely along with a broken nose... Like I said in my 1st post the irony is he was well on his way to cruising to a UD, Marg was denting him up along the way and Cotto showed toughness, but at the end he got the fighter beaten out of him
I know he got busted up a little, but I can't call it devastating. It's not like he was floored multiple times and took massive shots.
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I hear what your saying, but he didnt get KO'd he got beaten into submission, he didnt quit on his stool, he took knee's because it was to much for him to take.. I hope he is the same, but give me a past example of a fighter of Cotto's caliber that was beaten up that badly, and came back like he never missed a tick and was restored to greatness
Cotto quitting is a myth IMO. He was moments away from being stopped, but he didn't outright quit. He took two knee's because of the pounding he was taking, but after the 2nd one, he stood up within a few seconds and that's when his corner threw in the towel and entered the ring. He was beaten and exhausted in that last round, but he was still landing some good shots and I dispute the notion that he quit.
Here's the HBO version of rounds 10 + 11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIhqC...eature=related
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I hear what your saying, but he didnt get KO'd he got beaten into submission, he didnt quit on his stool, he took knee's because it was to much for him to take.. I hope he is the same, but give me a past example of a fighter of Cotto's caliber that was beaten up that badly, and came back like he never missed a tick and was restored to greatness
There's a first time for everything, and Cotto's just the guy that will prove you wrong! ;) ;D
I really hope so because Cotto is a good guy who is great for the sport
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I hear what your saying, but he didnt get KO'd he got beaten into submission, he didnt quit on his stool, he took knee's because it was to much for him to take.. I hope he is the same, but give me a past example of a fighter of Cotto's caliber that was beaten up that badly, and came back like he never missed a tick and was restored to greatness
Cotto quitting is a myth IMO. He was moments away from being stopped, but he didn't outright quit. He took two knee's because of the pounding he was taking, but after the 2nd one, he stood up within a few seconds and that's when his corner threw in the towel and entered the ring. He was beaten and exhausted in that last round, but he was still landing some good shots and I dispute the notion that he quit.
Here's the HBO version of rounds 10 + 11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIhqC...eature=related
Call it what you want dude, he backed into the last corner without a punch landed and slumped in it, your a pretty good dude and as sound as they get around here, but if thats not quitting man I dont know what is... Like I said there is no shame in that because there is a bigger picture for his life and family, im only concerned of the effects on his career moving forward and can he regain the same shine
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I actually didn't think the KO was that bad.
I mean he completely domianted the first half.
Lefty watch it again he got busted up pretty bad at the end, he was cut swollen and bleeding profusely along with a broken nose... Like I said in my 1st post the irony is he was well on his way to cruising to a UD, Marg was denting him up along the way and Cotto showed toughness, but at the end he got the fighter beaten out of him
I know he got busted up a little, but I can't call it devastating. It's not like he was floored multiple times and took massive shots.
I disagree with you and thats alright, but that to me is worse then by that logic , because he folded that easy
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I hear what your saying, but he didnt get KO'd he got beaten into submission, he didnt quit on his stool, he took knee's because it was to much for him to take.. I hope he is the same, but give me a past example of a fighter of Cotto's caliber that was beaten up that badly, and came back like he never missed a tick and was restored to greatness
Cotto quitting is a myth IMO. He was moments away from being stopped, but he didn't outright quit. He took two knee's because of the pounding he was taking, but after the 2nd one, he stood up within a few seconds and that's when his corner threw in the towel and entered the ring. He was beaten and exhausted in that last round, but he was still landing some good shots and I dispute the notion that he quit.
Here's the HBO version of rounds 10 + 11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIhqC...eature=related
Call it what you want dude, he backed into the last corner without a punch landed and slumped in it, your a pretty good dude and as sound as they get around here, but
if thats not quitting man I dont know what is... Like I said there is no shame in that because there is a bigger picture for his life and family, im only concerned of the effects on his career moving forward and can he regain the same shine
So you are saying Cotto and Sam Peter (Against Vitali) done EXACTLY the same thing ?
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I hear what your saying, but he didnt get KO'd he got beaten into submission, he didnt quit on his stool, he took knee's because it was to much for him to take.. I hope he is the same, but give me a past example of a fighter of Cotto's caliber that was beaten up that badly, and came back like he never missed a tick and was restored to greatness
Cotto quitting is a myth IMO. He was moments away from being stopped, but he didn't outright quit. He took two knee's because of the pounding he was taking, but after the 2nd one, he stood up within a few seconds and that's when his corner threw in the towel and entered the ring. He was beaten and exhausted in that last round, but he was still landing some good shots and I dispute the notion that he quit.
Here's the HBO version of rounds 10 + 11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIhqC...eature=related
Call it what you want dude, he backed into the last corner without a punch landed and slumped in it, your a pretty good dude and as sound as they get around here, but if thats not quitting man I dont know what is... Like I said there is no shame in that because there is a bigger picture for his life and family, im only concerned of the effects on his career moving forward and can he regain the same shine
He was hurt and if he didn't take a knee he was going to be KO'd. I believe he knew he was done, but he still took the knee to try and buy some time. For me quitting would've been if he looked at the ref and shook his head or indicated he did not want to continue before his corner entered the ring. If he was quitting, he wouldn't have gotten up, he would've stayed down. However, he was on his feet before the corner stopped it.
Quitting is saying you don't want to continue, getting up knowing you're about to be stopped is not quitting. I don't see it. He was beaten, but he never quit.
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Cotto quitting is a myth IMO. He was moments away from being stopped, but he didn't outright quit. He took two knee's because of the pounding he was taking, but after the 2nd one, he stood up within a few seconds and that's when his corner threw in the towel and entered the ring. He was beaten and exhausted in that last round, but he was still landing some good shots and I dispute the notion that he quit.
Here's the HBO version of rounds 10 + 11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIhqC...eature=related
Call it what you want dude, he backed into the last corner without a punch landed and slumped in it, your a pretty good dude and as sound as they get around here, but if thats not quitting man I dont know what is... Like I said there is no shame in that because there is a bigger picture for his life and family, im only concerned of the effects on his career moving forward and can he regain the same shine
He was hurt and if he didn't take a knee he was going to be KO'd. I believe he knew he was done, but he still took the knee to try and buy some time. For me quitting would've been if he looked at the ref and shook his head or indicated he did not want to continue before his corner entered the ring. If he was quitting, he wouldn't have gotten up, he would've stayed down. However, he was on his feet before the corner stopped it.
Quitting is saying you don't want to continue, getting up knowing you're about to be stopped is not quitting. I don't see it. He was beaten, but he never quit.
I just had my roomate that does not follow boxing at all and isint biased either way, watch the clip asked her what she saw?? her words were after him slumping in the corner the 2nd time after backing the entire length of the ring was he was getting the shit beaten out of him and just Quit..
Thats not the arguement per se, its if the effects of this will resonate negatively toward his career moving forward.. Its if this was a case of mental anguish that will haunt him amidst another ring war
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Call it what you want dude, he backed into the last corner without a punch landed and slumped in it, your a pretty good dude and as sound as they get around here, but if thats not quitting man I dont know what is... Like I said there is no shame in that because there is a bigger picture for his life and family, im only concerned of the effects on his career moving forward and can he regain the same shine
He was hurt and if he didn't take a knee he was going to be KO'd. I believe he knew he was done, but he still took the knee to try and buy some time. For me quitting would've been if he looked at the ref and shook his head or indicated he did not want to continue before his corner entered the ring. If he was quitting, he wouldn't have gotten up, he would've stayed down. However, he was on his feet before the corner stopped it.
Quitting is saying you don't want to continue, getting up knowing you're about to be stopped is not quitting. I don't see it. He was beaten, but he never quit.
I just had my roomate that does not follow boxing at all and isint biased either way, watch the clip asked her what she saw?? her words were after him slumping in the corner the 2nd time after backing the entire length of the ring was he was getting the shit beaten out of him and just Quit..
Thats not the arguement per se, its if the effects of this will resonate negatively toward his career moving forward.. Its if this was a case of mental anguish that will haunt him amidst another ring war
Plenty of boxers have taken knees without quitting though. I don't think anything will change my mind on this, I do not believe he quit. He lost, he was beaten, but he never quit. It's clear to me he was up and ready to get stopped, but his corner entered the ring and stopped it. Rightly so.
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He was hurt and if he didn't take a knee he was going to be KO'd. I believe he knew he was done, but he still took the knee to try and buy some time. For me quitting would've been if he looked at the ref and shook his head or indicated he did not want to continue before his corner entered the ring. If he was quitting, he wouldn't have gotten up, he would've stayed down. However, he was on his feet before the corner stopped it.
Quitting is saying you don't want to continue, getting up knowing you're about to be stopped is not quitting. I don't see it. He was beaten, but he never quit.
I just had my roomate that does not follow boxing at all and isint biased either way, watch the clip asked her what she saw?? her words were after him slumping in the corner the 2nd time after backing the entire length of the ring was he was getting the shit beaten out of him and just Quit..
Thats not the arguement per se, its if the effects of this will resonate negatively toward his career moving forward.. Its if this was a case of mental anguish that will haunt him amidst another ring war
Plenty of boxers have taken knees without quitting though. I don't think anything will change my mind on this, I do not believe he quit. He lost, he was beaten, but he never quit. It's clear to me he was up and ready to get stopped, but his corner entered the ring and stopped it. Rightly so.
I would agree with you on the 1st KD and if that was the end than you make all the sense in the world, but the fact that he went from corner to corner without attempting a punch for 20sec and dropped himself in the corner told me he didnt want anymore.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one
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I just had my roomate that does not follow boxing at all and isint biased either way, watch the clip asked her what she saw?? her words were after him slumping in the corner the 2nd time after backing the entire length of the ring was he was getting the shit beaten out of him and just Quit..
Thats not the arguement per se, its if the effects of this will resonate negatively toward his career moving forward.. Its if this was a case of mental anguish that will haunt him amidst another ring war
Plenty of boxers have taken knees without quitting though. I don't think anything will change my mind on this, I do not believe he quit. He lost, he was beaten, but he never quit. It's clear to me he was up and ready to get stopped, but his corner entered the ring and stopped it. Rightly so.
I would agree with you on the 1st KD and if that was the end than you make all the sense in the world, but the fact that he went from corner to corner without attempting a punch for 20sec and dropped himself in the corner told me he didnt want anymore.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one
I agree he didn't want anymore, however after the 2nd KD he got to his feet ready to fight on with what little he had left.
I don't think he was able to throw a punch after the 1st KD, but he still didn't quit. He retreated across the ring and only took another knee when he ran out of room to run. Yet he still rose to his feet after the count was begun, thereby he did not quit. If he quit, why didn't he stay down or at least indicate to the ref that he wanted no more? He had no idea when he rose to his feet that his corner was going to stop it.
His corner did the right thing by waving the towel and stepping into the ring, and Cotto didn't seem to mind that it was stopped. Maybe to you this argument seems like splitting hairs, but, to me, what happened was a lot different than him quitting.
You're right though, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Plenty of boxers have taken knees without quitting though. I don't think anything will change my mind on this, I do not believe he quit. He lost, he was beaten, but he never quit. It's clear to me he was up and ready to get stopped, but his corner entered the ring and stopped it. Rightly so.
I would agree with you on the 1st KD and if that was the end than you make all the sense in the world, but the fact that he went from corner to corner without attempting a punch for 20sec and dropped himself in the corner told me he didnt want anymore.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one
I agree he didn't want anymore, however after the 2nd KD he got to his feet ready to fight on with what little he had left.
I don't think he was able to throw a punch after the 1st KD, but he still didn't quit. He retreated across the ring and only took another knee when he ran out of room to run. Yet he still rose to his feet after the count was begun, thereby he did not quit. If he quit, why didn't he stay down or at least indicate to the ref that he wanted no more? He had no idea when he rose to his feet that his corner was going to stop it.
His corner did the right thing by waving the towel and stepping into the ring, and Cotto didn't seem to mind that it was stopped. Maybe to you this argument seems like splitting hairs, but, to me, what happened was a lot different than him quitting.
You're right though, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Cool with me man, again which brings me to my original point, does all that prove to be fracturing moving forward for Miguel Cotto?
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I would agree with you on the 1st KD and if that was the end than you make all the sense in the world, but the fact that he went from corner to corner without attempting a punch for 20sec and dropped himself in the corner told me he didnt want anymore.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one
I agree he didn't want anymore, however after the 2nd KD he got to his feet ready to fight on with what little he had left.
I don't think he was able to throw a punch after the 1st KD, but he still didn't quit. He retreated across the ring and only took another knee when he ran out of room to run. Yet he still rose to his feet after the count was begun, thereby he did not quit. If he quit, why didn't he stay down or at least indicate to the ref that he wanted no more? He had no idea when he rose to his feet that his corner was going to stop it.
His corner did the right thing by waving the towel and stepping into the ring, and Cotto didn't seem to mind that it was stopped. Maybe to you this argument seems like splitting hairs, but, to me, what happened was a lot different than him quitting.
You're right though, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Cool with me man, again which brings me to my original point, does all that prove to be fracturing moving forward for Miguel Cotto?
Maybe. Like I said before, I think his determination to fight Margarito again appears to show that he has not been damaged mentally, but if there are any scars, they'll show themselves during the fight when Margarito does exactly what he did last time. I guess my answer is we won't know until the fight.
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Sorry CFH but i have to agree with JT here, i've seen Amateur fights live where i've seen a few boxers go to a knee up close. And its for certain a sign of quitting, now im not calling Miguel Cotto a quitter here.
But when you go down on one knee your trying to look for an easy way out, from the punishment. Which is obviously a natural human survival instinct, but its still a sign of quitting.
When Miguel Cotto got up from the 2nd knockdown he was looking at his corner, obviously hinting that he has had enough.
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Sorry CFH but i have to agree with JT here, i've seen Amateur fights live and i've seen a few boxers go to a knee up close. And its for certain a sign of quitting, now im not calling Miguel Cotto a quitter here.
But when you go down on one knee your trying to look for an easy way out, from the punishment. Which is obviously a natural human survival instinct, but its still a sign of quitting.
Kind of like what Gary Lockett done then ?
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Sorry CFH but i have to agree with JT here, i've seen Amateur fights live where i've seen a few boxers go to a knee up close. And its for certain a sign of quitting, now im not calling Miguel Cotto a quitter here.
But when you go down on one knee your trying to look for an easy way out, from the punishment. Which is obviously a natural human survival instinct, but its still a sign of quitting.
When Miguel Cotto got up from the 2nd knockdown he was looking at his corner, obviously hinting that he has had enough.
Well, I disagree, but we already knew that.
I don't think taking a knee when you know you're about to be KO'd is a sign off quitting or looking for an easy way out. It's often a sign of good ring intelligence, you save yourself from getting KO'd and give yourself a chance to recover/come back. I've seen fighters take knees and then come back to win fights, so I have to disagree there as well.
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Sorry CFH but i have to agree with JT here, i've seen Amateur fights live where i've seen a few boxers go to a knee up close. And its for certain a sign of quitting, now im not calling Miguel Cotto a quitter here.
But when you go down on one knee your trying to look for an easy way out, from the punishment. Which is obviously a natural human survival instinct, but its still a sign of quitting.
When Miguel Cotto got up from the 2nd knockdown he was looking at his corner, obviously hinting that he has had enough.
Well, I disagree, but we already knew that.
I don't think taking a knee when you know you're about to be KO'd is a sign off quitting or looking for an easy way out. It's often a sign of good ring intelligence, you save yourself from getting KO'd and give yourself a chance to recover/come back. I've seen fighters take knees and then come back to win fights, so I have to disagree there as well.
Oh i agree with you there CFH not in all cases is it a sign of quitting, but in this case it was IMO. Especially the way Miguel Cotto went down the 2nd time without even being hit, then looking at his corner which is basically signalling to stop the fight.
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I think Cotto has the improved boxing smarts and mind set to bounce back well.Something tells me that he is burning to get at Tony again,strikes me as very proud.Do not think he should rush back to a rematch without first regrouping properly.That was not a first loss via a quick KO,it was sustained accumulative damage throughout......I disagree with the "Two different fights in one" thinking.Cotto boxed very well but Tony was wrecking that body very early.And I do not like to through the "He quit card" around with many fighters.One does not Choose to loose on the own volition with out firstly being put into that mode,mentally & physically...cause /effect by their opposition.It almost dicredits the Victor.
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I think Cotto has the improved boxing smarts and mind set to bounce back well.Something tells me that he is burning to get at Tony again,strikes me as very proud.Do not think he should rush back to a rematch without first regrouping properly.That was not a first loss via a quick KO,it was sustained accumulative damage throughout......I disagree with the "Two different fights in one" thinking.Cotto boxed very well but Tony was wrecking that body very early.And I do not like to through the "He quit card" around with many fighters.One does not Choose to loose on the own volition with out firstly being put into that mode,mentally & physically...cause /effect by their opposition.It almost dicredits the Victor.
You lost me brutha, you were trying to be eloquent but I think the bottom line is Tony stole Miguel's heart by beating him into submission... I think that satisfies both sides of the argument;D
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JT Rock
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think Cotto has the improved boxing smarts and mind set to bounce back well.Something tells me that he is burning to get at Tony again,strikes me as very proud.Do not think he should rush back to a rematch without first regrouping properly.That was not a first loss via a quick KO,it was sustained accumulative damage throughout......I disagree with the "Two different fights in one" thinking.Cotto boxed very well but Tony was wrecking that body very early.And I do not like to through the "He quit card" around with many fighters.One does not Choose to loose on the own volition with out firstly being put into that mode,mentally & physically...cause /effect by their opposition.It almost dicredits the Victor.
You lost me brutha, you were trying to be eloquent but I think the bottom line is Tony stole Miguel's heart by beating him into submission... I think that satisfies both sides of the argument;D
I just can not resist, but did you ever see that opening scene w/Bill paxton from the original "Terminator" :-X.Tony did.So much for Eloquence :fight:
Jk,Jk......look,I think Cotto's heart is intact.He will come back strong but should steer clear of ...at this point, Margarito!
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I don't think taking a knee when you know you're about to be KO'd is a sign off quitting or looking for an easy way out
But shaking your head as you look at your corner is :(. Look at the second KO when the camera zooms to his face and se how he looks at his corner and shakes his head "No mas" (no more). Unless he was shaking his head telling his coner "Don't stop the fight" :rolleyes:. I recently noticed this and had to keep rewinding that part.
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I sure hope so...
As I've stated he had one of the busiest schedules for a top caliber champ. Fighting 3 or 4 fights a year for about 4 yrs. is a lot of work and your body will def. feel that...
I think the break is long overdue for him and spending time with his family is always a plus. Spend the holidays with them and receive the new year with the family then resume training in late Jan. would be perfect.
Set up a comeback fight in his hometown of Puerto Rico vs. Soto-Karass to get him back in the groove and then set up the big fight.
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I think Cotto will be back the same if not better than befor. He obviously looked a class higher than Margo the first half of the fight while he was out-boxing the tornado. the diference will be this. Margo has one way of fighting, coming foward and beating the ever living crap out of you. as we all have seen from Cotto, he can hunt you down, brawl and/or box. he will use this against Margo this time around. he now knows that he cant stand and trade with Margo like he did in the middle rounds which ultimatley ended in him taking too much punishment. he will box the whole fight and stay away from the ropes. im predicting that he will make this fight alot less action packed and "run" alot more but will win in a points victory. alot of people are going to be upset that Cotto chose not to stand and trade but he will win the rematch and after the way the first fight ended, how can u blame him. thats my 2 cents
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JT Rock
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think Cotto has the improved boxing smarts and mind set to bounce back well.Something tells me that he is burning to get at Tony again,strikes me as very proud.Do not think he should rush back to a rematch without first regrouping properly.That was not a first loss via a quick KO,it was sustained accumulative damage throughout......I disagree with the "Two different fights in one" thinking.Cotto boxed very well but Tony was wrecking that body very early.And I do not like to through the "He quit card" around with many fighters.One does not Choose to loose on the own volition with out firstly being put into that mode,mentally & physically...cause /effect by their opposition.It almost dicredits the Victor.
You lost me brutha, you were trying to be eloquent but I think the bottom line is Tony stole Miguel's heart by beating him into submission... I think that satisfies both sides of the argument;D
Geez JT, you know I respect the hell out of you, and have nothing but luv for you, but that has to be the most irrational thing I have ever seen you say.
How do you know if Tony stole his heart? Are you telepathic now, and know what's going on inside his head, and his heart? Nice trick if you do.
You are making an irrational statement based upon one fight, and not based upon his entire career, or him as a man. What do you really know about Cotto the man, not the boxer, but the man?
If you knew anything about Cotto, you would know that he's not going to let one night bring him down.
I got sidetracked last night, but tonight, I'll have a lot more to say on this subject.
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think Cotto has the improved boxing smarts and mind set to bounce back well.Something tells me that he is burning to get at Tony again,strikes me as very proud.Do not think he should rush back to a rematch without first regrouping properly.That was not a first loss via a quick KO,it was sustained accumulative damage throughout......I disagree with the "Two different fights in one" thinking.Cotto boxed very well but Tony was wrecking that body very early.And I do not like to through the "He quit card" around with many fighters.One does not Choose to loose on the own volition with out firstly being put into that mode,mentally & physically...cause /effect by their opposition.It almost dicredits the Victor.
You lost me brutha, you were trying to be eloquent but I think the bottom line is Tony stole Miguel's heart by beating him into submission... I think that satisfies both sides of the argument;D
Geez JT, you know I respect the hell out of you, and have nothing but luv for you, but that has to be the most irrational thing I have ever seen you say.
How do you know if Tony stole his heart? Are you telepathic now, and know what's going on inside his head, and his heart? Nice trick if you do.
You are making an irrational statement based upon one fight, and not based upon his entire career, or him as a man. What do you really know about Cotto the man, not the boxer, but the man?
If you knew anything about Cotto, you would know that he's not going to let one night bring him down.
I got sidetracked last night, but tonight, I'll have a lot more to say on this subject.
Many a boxer has gotten his heart broken/ stolen in a war of attricion, when you are sustaining heavy punishment, dosent matter if its heavy damage in a few rounds or accumulative over 12.
I dont want to split hairs with you nor do I want you to take it personal, but Miguels body language the last couple of rounds and how the fight ended and how he took the last knee showed signs of a broken fighter who had to submit and give in..
It happened to my favorite fighter, Lacy is no were near the technician of Cotto in the ring but still had the excitement and energy of a raging bull. After 12 rounds Joe had beaten the fighter out of Jeff, and unless he turns back the clock on Saturday that very well may be the harsh truth..
I do not wish the same on Miguel, Jeff has the heart and courage of a warrior like Miguel, he never took a knee or quit on his stool but after taking damage like that your body cant do the things it once could.
