Pacquiao/De La Hoya 24/7

Just watched the first episode of Pacquiao vs De La Hoya 24/7.

A couple thoughts:

-De La Hoya looks to be in great shape and I think going back to Big Bear was a great idea for him.
-I think all the help Oscar is hiring (Berstain, Dundee, Valero, and Zaragoza) is to make it seem like fighting Pacquiao will be such a monumental task. I still think De La Hoya has a huge advantage here and all this hype is to make people forget how big of a mismatch this is.
-Through the camerawork and the training portions they showed in the show, Manny still has all the speed that he's been known for. They also showed someone banging him with a wodden stick to the ribs and arms and Pac cringing and grunting. That looked like it hurt.
-Finally and most importantly, I think this whole thing should be called De La Hoya/Roach 24/7. The beef is between those two and the trash talk is just back and forth between Oscar and Freddie. Manny is just caught in between.

Other than that, HBO does a great job with this show. It really adds on to the hype and is one of the most well-made documentaries out there.

I still say Calzaghe-Jones was a way bigger mismatch, as Pacquiao fan moreso than an Oscar fan, I take solace in the fact that Oscar like Roy JOnes and like Bernard Hopkins has taken something off most of his punches to retain his handspeed as best as possible. I think he will have troubles defensively against Pacquaio, if he uses better footwork maybe he won't, but Manny is really underappreciated for his ability to fight off the back foot, I mean he did it so well against David Diaz, people forget the first knockdown of Morales was a counter punch of the ropes, and the knockdown of Marquez was a beautiful counter punch. I think Oscar can handle Pacquiao's power, but the question concerning Oscar for me is similar to Roy JOnes Jr., will he be able to retaliate to those punches? He is far fresher than Jones, and his output is way higher then Roy, I think he likely wins this, but it isn't the 95/5 odds against him I thought was the case with Jones-Calzaghe, I think its more 70/30 or 65/35

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Just watched the first episode of Pacquiao vs De La Hoya 24/7.

A couple thoughts:

-De La Hoya looks to be in great shape and I think going back to Big Bear was a great idea for him.
-I think all the help Oscar is hiring (Berstain, Dundee, Valero, and Zaragoza) is to make it seem like fighting Pacquiao will be such a monumental task. I still think De La Hoya has a huge advantage here and all this hype is to make people forget how big of a mismatch this is.
-Through the camerawork and the training portions they showed in the show, Manny still has all the speed that he's been known for. They also showed someone banging him with a wodden stick to the ribs and arms and Pac cringing and grunting. That looked like it hurt.
-Finally and most importantly, I think this whole thing should be called De La Hoya/Roach 24/7. The beef is between those two and the trash talk is just back and forth between Oscar and Freddie. Manny is just caught in between.

Other than that, HBO does a great job with this show. It really adds on to the hype and is one of the most well-made documentaries out there.

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Yeah, the 24/7 show is really well done by HBO. I still remember watching the ODLH/Floyd 24/7s and thinking "man, this crap is cool." The Hatton/Floyd 24/7 was really good too. You're completely correct on all these people coming to ODLH's camp. It's all a publicity stunt to make Manny seem like he's a greater risk than he really is. What some people don't remember is that before the ODLH/Floyd fight, a lot of boxing people were criticizing that fight because people were saying that Floyd wasn't a real welterweight and that ODLH was too big for him at 154. By the end of 24/7, it all of a sudden it was an even fight. That's what good promotion and hype does. But this time, it's gonna be a hard sell IMO. There's a difference between ODLH fighting Floyd and Pac. Floyd was a smaller man but his defensive talent, quickness, and arm length made up for his lack of natural size. Manny is even smaller than Floyd with a MUCH shorter reach, and Manny's talent comes from his sheer determination. Manny has willed his way into the #1 P4P spot by being able to brutally outlast and will himself to most of his victories. He's not a "boxing prodigy talent P4P" like say a RJJ, Floyd, B-Hop, or even a JoeCal is. Let's not forget this is a guy who was getting caught with clean, flush left hooks from JMM six months ago. If ODLH lands those same punches, Manny might not be able to take those shots. I won't let 24/7 fool me again. But I will stop going on and on about this fight, so I don't ruin it for the people who will be following it.

I saw this vid in youtube and I think its better than the 24/7 stuff only thing is it was pretty much all pacquiao in here...but there was a part where it showed that nasty left hook of Oscar that pac should find a way to hide from..but nevertheless it was a great vid.i'd say it was breathaking..I hope I didn't sound gay at all if I described it that way,,to me it was a bad ass vid :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6e3D7SchGU

Roach's Parkinsons is starting to look really advanced, sad to see that.

This is out of context... Does anyone know a site where i can place a bet on this fight? Im sure Oscar will be favorite but i doubt by much since alot of the polls show many people thinking Pac will win. I still won't mind to put 1 to 10 as im so sure Oscar will win...

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Roach's Parkinsons is starting to look really advanced, sad to see that.

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Ya, I was wondering if anyone else noticed this. During one of the interviews, Roach seemed to be shaking really bad. More than I've ever noticed before.

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This is out of context... Does anyone know a site where i can place a bet on this fight? Im sure Oscar will be favorite but i doubt by much since alot of the polls show many people thinking Pac will win. I still won't mind to put 1 to 10 as im so sure Oscar will win...

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ODLH = -250 = 2/5
PAC = +225 = 9/4

Are the generally accepted odds right now, so ODLH pays out $0.40 to the dollar. Can't help you with where to bet though, maybe try some local sports bars.

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I still say Calzaghe-Jones was a way bigger mismatch, as Pacquiao fan moreso than an Oscar fan, I take solace in the fact that Oscar like Roy JOnes and like Bernard Hopkins has taken something off most of his punches to retain his handspeed as best as possible. I think he will have troubles defensively against Pacquaio, if he uses better footwork maybe he won't, but Manny is really underappreciated for his ability to fight off the back foot, I mean he did it so well against David Diaz, people forget the first knockdown of Morales was a counter punch of the ropes, and the knockdown of Marquez was a beautiful counter punch. I think Oscar can handle Pacquiao's power, but the question concerning Oscar for me is similar to Roy JOnes Jr., will he be able to retaliate to those punches? He is far fresher than Jones, and his output is way higher then Roy, I think he likely wins this, but it isn't the 95/5 odds against him I thought was the case with Jones-Calzaghe, I think its more 70/30 or 65/35

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What does Calzaghe Vs Jones have to do with this fight, why are you comparing something else to this. It does not take away that the size differential is insane, a complete mismatch. And just because Pac landed good counter punches against smaller opposition does not mean that it will effect the likes of Oscar De La Hoya

I had to watch a blurry feed online since I do not have HBO now.


OverAll I liked this 24/7 better then the jones vs calzaghe one. The fighters seem hungrier and the camera work was way better
Pacman is intriguing to me cause of his appeal and ferocious braveheart style.

Should be a good fight while it lasts.

this is the blurry feed I watched oh well better then nothing.

Oscar/Manny 24/7 episode one(video)

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I still say Calzaghe-Jones was a way bigger mismatch, as Pacquiao fan moreso than an Oscar fan, I take solace in the fact that Oscar like Roy JOnes and like Bernard Hopkins has taken something off most of his punches to retain his handspeed as best as possible. I think he will have troubles defensively against Pacquaio, if he uses better footwork maybe he won't, but Manny is really underappreciated for his ability to fight off the back foot, I mean he did it so well against David Diaz, people forget the first knockdown of Morales was a counter punch of the ropes, and the knockdown of Marquez was a beautiful counter punch. I think Oscar can handle Pacquiao's power, but the question concerning Oscar for me is similar to Roy JOnes Jr., will he be able to retaliate to those punches? He is far fresher than Jones, and his output is way higher then Roy, I think he likely wins this, but it isn't the 95/5 odds against him I thought was the case with Jones-Calzaghe, I think its more 70/30 or 65/35

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What does Calzaghe Vs Jones have to do with this fight, why are you comparing something else to this. It does not take away that the size differential is insane, a complete mismatch. And just because Pac landed good counter punches against smaller opposition does not mean that it will effect the likes of Oscar De La Hoya

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Several months back, even an idea of a Hatton fight was considered a bad one and only few whom some guys here considered as 'crazy fanatics' (ok, I wasn't one of them, though I don't mind being called one)even entertained the idea of an Oscar fight. But now, they have been bombarding us with all kinds of opinions and all of a sudden, 'there Is a fight!' or so it seems. Now as the fightnight gets near, even the opinions of the usual boxing X-perts here at the saddos seem to even out more and more. And me, I'm becoming confused myself. So Bookkeeper, or anyone else, tell me straight, is there a fight indeed? or is it just a well-disguised mismatch re-packaged by the HBO and the media into a real-deal fight, just like those junk mortgage bonds repackaged into a nice investment deal that were supposed to earn zillions of dollars but ended up in the dumps?


...and in the meantime...


...pac by ko with nice belly shot.;D

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I still say Calzaghe-Jones was a way bigger mismatch, as Pacquiao fan moreso than an Oscar fan, I take solace in the fact that Oscar like Roy JOnes and like Bernard Hopkins has taken something off most of his punches to retain his handspeed as best as possible. I think he will have troubles defensively against Pacquaio, if he uses better footwork maybe he won't, but Manny is really underappreciated for his ability to fight off the back foot, I mean he did it so well against David Diaz, people forget the first knockdown of Morales was a counter punch of the ropes, and the knockdown of Marquez was a beautiful counter punch. I think Oscar can handle Pacquiao's power, but the question concerning Oscar for me is similar to Roy JOnes Jr., will he be able to retaliate to those punches? He is far fresher than Jones, and his output is way higher then Roy, I think he likely wins this, but it isn't the 95/5 odds against him I thought was the case with Jones-Calzaghe, I think its more 70/30 or 65/35

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What does Calzaghe Vs Jones have to do with this fight, why are you comparing something else to this. It does not take away that the size differential is insane, a complete mismatch. And just because Pac landed good counter punches against smaller opposition does not mean that it will effect the likes of Oscar De La Hoya

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Several months back, even an idea of a Hatton fight was considered a bad one and only few whom some guys here considered as 'crazy fanatics' (ok, I wasn't one of them, though I don't mind being called one)even entertained the idea of an Oscar fight. But now, they have been bombarding us with all kinds of opinions and all of a sudden, 'there Is a fight!' or so it seems. Now as the fightnight gets near, even the opinions of the usual boxing X-perts here at the saddos seem to even out more and more. And me, I'm becoming confused myself. So Bookkeeper, or anyone else, tell me straight, is there a fight indeed? or is it just a well-disguised mismatch re-packaged by the HBO and the media into a real-deal fight, just like those junk mortgage bonds repackaged into a nice investment deal that were supposed to earn zillions of dollars but ended up in the dumps?


...and in the meantime...


...pac by ko with nice belly shot.;D

;)

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Pacfan you have to realize that we are all boxing fans, so no matter what kind of mismatch it is we will try to find an excuse of watching the fight. Couple weeks back when Joe and RJJ were fighting people were saying that Roy finally lost the weight and packed on the real muscle and that he was back to were he used to be (hyping the fight) then after the fight they were talking about how washed up he is and that he should retire. Don't get me wrong fighting Oscar is like winning the lottery, it's everyone's biggest payday so everyone wants that fight ( I don't blame Pac), but Pac just moved up to 135 for one fight and he is going against a guy who had a short stint at 160. Oscar should be about 10-15 pounds heavier on fightnight ( Maybe more)

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Several months back, even an idea of a Hatton fight was considered a bad one and only few whom some guys here considered as 'crazy fanatics' (ok, I wasn't one of them, though I don't mind being called one)even entertained the idea of an Oscar fight. But now, they have been bombarding us with all kinds of opinions and all of a sudden, 'there Is a fight!' or so it seems. Now as the fightnight gets near, even the opinions of the usual boxing X-perts here at the saddos seem to even out more and more. And me, I'm becoming confused myself. So Bookkeeper, or anyone else, tell me straight, is there a fight indeed? or is it just a well-disguised mismatch re-packaged by the HBO and the media into a real-deal fight, just like those junk mortgage bonds repackaged into a nice investment deal that were supposed to earn zillions of dollars but ended up in the dumps?


...and in the meantime...


...pac by ko with nice belly shot.;D

;)

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Pacfan you have to realize that we are all boxing fans, so no matter what kind of mismatch it is we will try to find an excuse of watching the fight. Couple weeks back when Joe and RJJ were fighting people were saying that Roy finally lost the weight and packed on the real muscle and that he was back to were he used to be (hyping the fight) then after the fight they were talking about how washed up he is and that he should retire. Don't get me wrong fighting Oscar is like winning the lottery, it's everyone's biggest payday so everyone wants that fight ( I don't blame Pac), but Pac just moved up to 135 for one fight and he is going against a guy who had a short stint at 160. Oscar should be about 10-15 pounds heavier on fightnight ( Maybe more)

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Ya, Bookkeeper, you're right about that. You know me pretty well, I was just trying to stir up a little 'storm' out there (LOL). Looks like a mismatch from every angle. I think only miracle can save our boy here. But they say 'miracles do happen.' Just hope he doesn't get hurt. I can't believe the authorities sanctioned this fight. But well, like Mr. Roach, maybe they know what we don't.

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What does Calzaghe Vs Jones have to do with this fight, why are you comparing something else to this. It does not take away that the size differential is insane, a complete mismatch. And just because Pac landed good counter punches against smaller opposition does not mean that it will effect the likes of Oscar De La Hoya

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Several months back, even an idea of a Hatton fight was considered a bad one and only few whom some guys here considered as 'crazy fanatics' (ok, I wasn't one of them, though I don't mind being called one)even entertained the idea of an Oscar fight. But now, they have been bombarding us with all kinds of opinions and all of a sudden, 'there Is a fight!' or so it seems. Now as the fightnight gets near, even the opinions of the usual boxing X-perts here at the saddos seem to even out more and more. And me, I'm becoming confused myself. So Bookkeeper, or anyone else, tell me straight, is there a fight indeed? or is it just a well-disguised mismatch re-packaged by the HBO and the media into a real-deal fight, just like those junk mortgage bonds repackaged into a nice investment deal that were supposed to earn zillions of dollars but ended up in the dumps?


...and in the meantime...


...pac by ko with nice belly shot.;D

;)

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Pacfan you have to realize that we are all boxing fans, so no matter what kind of mismatch it is we will try to find an excuse of watching the fight. Couple weeks back when Joe and RJJ were fighting people were saying that Roy finally lost the weight and packed on the real muscle and that he was back to were he used to be (hyping the fight) then after the fight they were talking about how washed up he is and that he should retire. Don't get me wrong fighting Oscar is like winning the lottery, it's everyone's biggest payday so everyone wants that fight ( I don't blame Pac), but Pac just moved up to 135 for one fight and he is going against a guy who had a short stint at 160. Oscar should be about 10-15 pounds heavier on fightnight ( Maybe more)

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2 days ago, there were reports that Hoya weighs 145 lbs. already (you saw a thin frail looking Hoya during his media day) and PAC is reported at 152/151 lbs. who looked a naturally muscled welterweight boxer during his media day...

they will both weigh-in at 147 lbs. ...
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This is out of context... Does anyone know a site where i can place a bet on this fight? Im sure Oscar will be favorite but i doubt by much since alot of the polls show many people thinking Pac will win. I still won't mind to put 1 to 10 as im so sure Oscar will win...

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Go to this blog:

Manny Pacman Pacquiao and Boxing Photos on the Net

There's a list of betting lines on the right side. Click that and I think you can place a bet there.

Oscar at -250 and PAC at +185.
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One of the silly things during the episode was when Oscar was talking about his fight with Mayweather, and regarding his loss he says "watch the fight, it was clearly the wrong game plan" (referring to the game plan Roach gave him).
No, the game plan was fine, just Oscar did a really shitty job of executing it.. Did you hear Freddie yelling from the corner "That jab is working Oscar and is giving you the upper hand, so use it as little as possible"...
Oscar lost himself that fight against Mayweather.. So if he was serious about finding Freddie responsible for his in-ring performance, then I hope Pac whoops him even more than I hoped he would before he started blaming his poor execution on a poor game plan that he couldn't even follow.

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One of the silly things during the episode was when Oscar was talking about his fight with Mayweather, and regarding his loss he says "watch the fight, it was clearly the wrong game plan" (referring to the game plan Roach gave him).
No, the game plan was fine, just Oscar did a really shitty job of executing it.. Did you hear Freddie yelling from the corner "That jab is working Oscar and is giving you the upper hand, so use it as little as possible"...
Oscar lost himself that fight against Mayweather.. So if he was serious about finding Freddie responsible for his in-ring performance, then I hope Pac whoops him even more than I hoped he would before he started blaming his poor execution on a poor game plan that he couldn't even follow.

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I think the same thing. It wasn't Roach's gameplan, Oscar didn't execute...

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This is out of context... Does anyone know a site where i can place a bet on this fight? Im sure Oscar will be favorite but i doubt by much since alot of the polls show many people thinking Pac will win. I still won't mind to put 1 to 10 as im so sure Oscar will win...

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don't do it man. it's not a shoo-in as you think it is. i got a feeling when all other factors come together come fight night it will be a highly competitive fight.

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What does Calzaghe Vs Jones have to do with this fight, why are you comparing something else to this. It does not take away that the size differential is insane, a complete mismatch. And just because Pac landed good counter punches against smaller opposition does not mean that it will effect the likes of Oscar De La Hoya

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Several months back, even an idea of a Hatton fight was considered a bad one and only few whom some guys here considered as 'crazy fanatics' (ok, I wasn't one of them, though I don't mind being called one)even entertained the idea of an Oscar fight. But now, they have been bombarding us with all kinds of opinions and all of a sudden, 'there Is a fight!' or so it seems. Now as the fightnight gets near, even the opinions of the usual boxing X-perts here at the saddos seem to even out more and more. And me, I'm becoming confused myself. So Bookkeeper, or anyone else, tell me straight, is there a fight indeed? or is it just a well-disguised mismatch re-packaged by the HBO and the media into a real-deal fight, just like those junk mortgage bonds repackaged into a nice investment deal that were supposed to earn zillions of dollars but ended up in the dumps?


...and in the meantime...


...pac by ko with nice belly shot.;D

;)

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Pacfan you have to realize that we are all boxing fans, so no matter what kind of mismatch it is we will try to find an excuse of watching the fight. Couple weeks back when Joe and RJJ were fighting people were saying that Roy finally lost the weight and packed on the real muscle and that he was back to were he used to be (hyping the fight) then after the fight they were talking about how washed up he is and that he should retire. Don't get me wrong fighting Oscar is like winning the lottery, it's everyone's biggest payday so everyone wants that fight ( I don't blame Pac), but Pac just moved up to 135 for one fight and he is going against a guy who had a short stint at 160. Oscar should be about 10-15 pounds heavier on fightnight ( Maybe more)

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as far as size difference is concern, it would be like pac going against darchinyan at 126lbs. i certainly wouldn't say it's a gross mismatch under that situation coz clearly vic would have a shot.

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One of the silly things during the episode was when Oscar was talking about his fight with Mayweather, and regarding his loss he says "watch the fight, it was clearly the wrong game plan" (referring to the game plan Roach gave him).
No, the game plan was fine, just Oscar did a really shitty job of executing it.. Did you hear Freddie yelling from the corner "That jab is working Oscar and is giving you the upper hand, so use it as little as possible"...
Oscar lost himself that fight against Mayweather.. So if he was serious about finding Freddie responsible for his in-ring performance, then I hope Pac whoops him even more than I hoped he would before he started blaming his poor execution on a poor game plan that he couldn't even follow.

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You nailed it brotha.

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One of the silly things during the episode was when Oscar was talking about his fight with Mayweather, and regarding his loss he says "watch the fight, it was clearly the wrong game plan" (referring to the game plan Roach gave him).
No, the game plan was fine, just Oscar did a really shitty job of executing it.. Did you hear Freddie yelling from the corner "That jab is working Oscar and is giving you the upper hand, so use it as little as possible"...
Oscar lost himself that fight against Mayweather.. So if he was serious about finding Freddie responsible for his in-ring performance, then I hope Pac whoops him even more than I hoped he would before he started blaming his poor execution on a poor game plan that he couldn't even follow.

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You nailed it brotha.

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I didn't hear Roach saying anything...period...not during the rounds...not at the breaks. The man was a mute. If anything...i figured it was Freddy's plan to swarm Floyd and put pressure on him. Is there any evidence that Roach's plan was for Oscar to use the jab? I haven't watched the fight in a while. But Oscar started the fight pressuring and trying to unload everything on Floyd early. He started to use the jab more towards the middle of the fight...albeit briefly. Bottom line...both Roach and Pac should be kissing Oscar's ass for giving them the richest fight of their careers. Actually for Roach...Delahoya gave him major publicity and $$$ for the Floyd fight as well. So because of Oscar he has had the two biggest fights of his training career (by big i mean $$$ and publicity).

I wanna see this pacman sparring like that all its gonna do is getting him picked apart by oscar....and pacman is gonna go broke he gives his money away like candy.

If you havent seen it watch it, found a link but hbo.com will have the episode up tomorrow.

Here is the link for the 2nd episode I just got done watching it online.

Episode 2

DLH received a black eye from his sparmate. Pac KDed his.

Anyways, HBO showed some of their flaws.

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DLH received a black eye from his sparmate. Pac KDed his.

Anyways, HBO showed some of their flaws.

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Oscar had a black eye only because he spars without head gear some times.

Pacman didnt knock down his sparmate they exaggerated that the sparmate slipped.

watch the spar sessions on 24/7 again pacman was swinging wild.

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I wanna see this pacman sparring like that all its gonna do is getting him picked apart by oscar....and pacman is gonna go broke he gives his money away like candy.

If you havent seen it watch it, found a link but hbo.com will have the episode up tomorrow.

Here is the link for the 2nd episode I just got done watching it online.

Episode 2

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Pac this Pac that blah blah.. stop criticizing on his every move.. If you don't want it then don't watch it.. simple as that.. i don't see any problem being generous.. Lets be greatful coz this is a guy who has nothing before and now he is sharing it.. so stop the hate mate..

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I wanna see this pacman sparring like that all its gonna do is getting him picked apart by oscar....and pacman is gonna go broke he gives his money away like candy.

If you havent seen it watch it, found a link but hbo.com will have the episode up tomorrow.

Here is the link for the 2nd episode I just got done watching it online.

Episode 2

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Moono are you related to addicted to boxing? All you do is make a negative comment about Pac. Why can't you just relax and wait for the fight. AFter the fight you make your judgment.:cool:

It's damn near impossible to make clear analysis about the fighters by 24/7 sparring footage. To be honest, neither fighter looked particularly impressive in the very brief sparring footage they showed of each. Pac, for all of his speed, still lunges forward a lot and often looks unbalanced. Oscar looked to be doing the whole lot of all out punching (much like he did for most of the Floyd fight) instead of jabbing and crisp combos. Does this mean anything come the actual fight...probably not.

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I wanna see this pacman sparring like that all its gonna do is getting him picked apart by oscar....and pacman is gonna go broke he gives his money away like candy.

If you havent seen it watch it, found a link but hbo.com will have the episode up tomorrow.

Here is the link for the 2nd episode I just got done watching it online.

Episode 2

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Moono are you related to addicted to boxing? All you do is make a negative comment about Pac. Why can't you just relax and wait for the fight. AFter the fight you make your judgment.:cool:

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I like pac just mad at this damn fight being made.:mad:

Has anyone noticed DLH being far more raucous and outspoken in this 24/7 than against Mayweather?

Faced with the prospect of a Pacquiao fight he is talking a lot, being far more outspoken and aggressive than usual.

When it was Mayweather he knew he was the underdog and talked very very little.

Interesting.

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Has anyone noticed DLH being far more raucous and outspoken in this 24/7 than against Mayweather?

Faced with the prospect of a Pacquiao fight he is talking a lot, being far more outspoken and aggressive than usual.

When it was Mayweather he knew he was the underdog and talked very very little.

Interesting.

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Maybe because his opponent now is less talker... PBF is a talking machine thats why Oscar let him do the talking to hype the fight.

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Has anyone noticed DLH being far more raucous and outspoken in this 24/7 than against Mayweather?

Faced with the prospect of a Pacquiao fight he is talking a lot, being far more outspoken and aggressive than usual.

When it was Mayweather he knew he was the underdog and talked very very little.

Interesting.

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its cause its personal now, to oscar you can talk about his family bad but when you F him over with money and contracts it makes him more mad. Money is his king sad to say.

Dont ever mess with oscar when it comes to gold.

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Has anyone noticed DLH being far more raucous and outspoken in this 24/7 than against Mayweather?

Faced with the prospect of a Pacquiao fight he is talking a lot, being far more outspoken and aggressive than usual.

When it was Mayweather he knew he was the underdog and talked very very little.

Interesting.

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ODLH knows that Manny isn't a trash talker so he's saying whatever he wants now. When he's confronted by a real trash talker then he simply jumps into the "woe is me", "i'm the good guy", "feel sorry for me role."

I think HBO is doing a great job making both of them seem really personable, making you feel for both of them and want to win. I think they're doing this to add to the drama and help the "average" person feel connected and shell out the money for the PPV.

wow.....if pacman loses this fight badly
there might be a chancethis dude may go broke in afewyears

i mean look at his expenses....lol

A few things...

Oscars a great salesman.
Gotta love Pac singing karaokee.
Not even if ODLH could somehow add Clancy, Futch and Arcel to his corner would he win.
24/7 sure does hype you up and is great.
Bilbos a fag and is bitter and wants everyone to be bitter like him.
Pac has 1 security here in the states and apperantly about 30 in the PIs along with some heave artillary. That is crazy....
The fried catfish sure looked good.
I think none of his friends are wining the money he's put up for the weight loss.
Jinkee (sp) looks tired as fuck and looks like someone who's fed up with all the glits and the cameras around.
It's VERY true how Pac is depicted, he's real serious and quiet but once you get him to talk and smile he's cool.
Freddie said "Fuck Nacho I don't like him, he talked bad about me" last I read Nacho said and I quote "I know I've got the tools to help Oscar win I know his fighter all too well" or did I miss something?

Regarding Pac going broke.... pacman has so many investments that he won't go broke even if he gives 50% of his earnings. I know.... I'm an accountant.:cool:

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Has anyone noticed DLH being far more raucous and outspoken in this 24/7 than against Mayweather?

Faced with the prospect of a Pacquiao fight he is talking a lot, being far more outspoken and aggressive than usual.

When it was Mayweather he knew he was the underdog and talked very very little.

Interesting.

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its cause its personal now, to oscar you can talk about his family bad but when you F him over with money and contracts it makes him more mad. Money is his king sad to say.

Dont ever mess with oscar when it comes to gold.

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Has anyone noticed DLH being far more raucous and outspoken in this 24/7 than against Mayweather?

Faced with the prospect of a Pacquiao fight he is talking a lot, being far more outspoken and aggressive than usual.

When it was Mayweather he knew he was the underdog and talked very very little.

Interesting.

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ODLH knows that Manny isn't a trash talker so he's saying whatever he wants now. When he's confronted by a real trash talker then he simply jumps into the "woe is me", "i'm the good guy", "feel sorry for me role."

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I disagree with all of those opinions guys.

I feel its far more primal.
This is a superfight. A superfight Oscar feels secure in because he is by far the bigger man.

Against mayweather a win was unlikely so he kept his mouth shut.
He now feels supremely confident and in my view is being arrogant as a result.

Make no mistake, Oscar will not be slighted for money. He's not just a fighter, he is the promoter, he will make a LOT of money here.

Just watched Episode 2. I like Oscr but it is dissapointing to see he only talks about the kids he has with Millie and how much he loves them and loves being a father to thembut never mentions his three other kids. From what ive read it sounds like he supports them financially but has nothing else to do with them. And when Millie says if Oscar is a great anything, hes a great father. I wonder if shell feel the same way in 10 years...I would have no problems because im only a fan of Oscar the athlete, but when he puts his family on a documentary and brings his personal life into it, he opens himself up to critisizm.

http://blogs.gmanews.tv/josh-villanu...ds/manny_3.jpg

Buboy, Manny's friend (the guy in the tye-dye behind Manny in the picture above).

I caught yesterday's episode. The family stuff was good to see but again I'm wondering how HBO thinks that any of this stuff is building up a huge fight. Thanksgiving dinner, karoake, seriously? They should have saved the money. It was a decent episode though. Seeing B-Hop was cool, but it's obviously a gimmick. Seeing ODLH saying "I'm pumped up" and "THERE WILL BE A KNOCKOUT" with a serious face made me laugh out loud. I'm thinking this dude has no personality. ODLH's uncle cracked me up when he was talking with ODLH's brother. ODLH's brother said something like "I was just warming up in there" and the uncle was like "yeah, he was warming up the toilet."

But the true star of this 24/7 series is Buboy HAHAHAHAHAHA. This guy cracked me up. He's obviously a good guy but the dude is a clown. When he flashed that two hundred dollars he won from eating and then licked his whole hand, I busted out laughing. It was hilarious when that one guy was giving him a hard time in the gym. At this point, it's obvious that Buboy is the true star of 24/7.

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http://blogs.gmanews.tv/josh-villanu...ds/manny_3.jpg

Buboy, Manny's friend (the guy in the tye-dye behind Manny in the picture above).

I caught yesterday's episode. The family stuff was good to see but again I'm wondering how HBO thinks that any of this stuff is building up a huge fight. Thanksgiving dinner, karoake, seriously? They should have saved the money. It was a decent episode though. Seeing B-Hop was cool, but it's obviously a gimmick. Seeing ODLH saying "I'm pumped up" and "THERE WILL BE A KNOCKOUT" with a serious face made me laugh out loud. I'm thinking this dude has no personality. ODLH's uncle cracked me up when he was talking with ODLH's brother. ODLH's brother said something like "I was just warming up in there" and the uncle was like "yeah, he was warming up the toilet."

But the true star of this 24/7 series is Buboy HAHAHAHAHAHA. This guy cracked me up. He's obviously a good guy but the dude is a clown. When he flashed that two hundred dollars he won from eating and then licked his whole hand, I busted out laughing. It was hilarious when that one guy was giving him a hard time in the gym. At this point, it's obvious that Buboy is the true star of 24/7.

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"bro, you gained weight!?" ;D that was funny:D