Meeting Burt Sugar

Burt Sugar comes across like an authority when he is in fact one of the least knowlegable psuedo -experts out there. I had the displeasure of meeting him at a fund raiser where I questioned him on his choice for toughest heavyweight champ of all time. When I disagreed with his "EXPERT" opinion he gave me the brush off and walked away while I was mid- sentence. Hey Burt I hate to tell you. I have climbed those steps into the ring over thirty times . Now let me ask you Burt, from where did you cull your extensive knowledge? As the saying goes 'When someone that doesn't know speaks with conviction and authority to others that also do not know, because of his conviction, the others belive him." The hat and the un-lit cigar are a blatent attempt to trademark himself. Clown yes. Expert. Now that's funny and that's what clowns are supposed to be.

Nice one, this bloke has always bugged me with his bullshiit, where did he come from?

Spot on with the hat an cigar as well, the blokes not too bright;D

You started an account just to bitch about being brushed off by Bert Sugar?

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Originally Posted by Tjamesmichael

Burt Sugar comes across like an authority when he is in fact one of the least knowlegable psuedo -experts out there. I had the displeasure of meeting him at a fund raiser where I questioned him on his choice for toughest heavyweight champ of all time. When I disagreed with his "EXPERT" opinion he gave me the brush off and walked away while I was mid- sentence. Hey Burt I hate to tell you. I have climbed those steps into the ring over thirty times and sat at the feet of the master, Cus D'amato for close to two years. My roomates were Rooney and Atlas. Now let me ask you Burt, from where did you cull your extensive knowledge? As Cus would always say 'When someone that doesn't know speaks with conviction and authority to others that also do not know, because of his conviction, the others belive him." The hat and the un-lit cigar are a blatent attempt to trademark himself. Clown yes. Expert. Now that's funny and that's what clowns are supposed to be.

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I'm not sure is this is a joke post or not but it's completely ridiculous.

So you, a complete nobody walked up to one of the most respected boxing journalists in the world, in the Boxing Hall of Fame no less, then rather than just saying hello, nice to meet you, can I have your autograph, you proceeded to 'challenge' him on his knowledge and then he walked away.

Have you considered the alternative that instead of him being baffled by your extensive knowledge and awed by your boxing past, he just thought you were an annoying twat and so left cos he just couldn't bear to talk to you?

I can certainly share that feeling, as from your one post I already think you're a complete knob jockey.

I don't know there bud! I met Sugar too and he was a top-notch guy to talk to...

Why ask him if you are going to argue with him?

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by Tjamesmichael

Burt Sugar comes across like an authority when he is in fact one of the least knowlegable psuedo -experts out there. I had the displeasure of meeting him at a fund raiser where I questioned him on his choice for toughest heavyweight champ of all time. When I disagreed with his "EXPERT" opinion he gave me the brush off and walked away while I was mid- sentence. Hey Burt I hate to tell you. I have climbed those steps into the ring over thirty times and sat at the feet of the master, Cus D'amato for close to two years. My roomates were Rooney and Atlas. Now let me ask you Burt, from where did you cull your extensive knowledge? As Cus would always say 'When someone that doesn't know speaks with conviction and authority to others that also do not know, because of his conviction, the others belive him." The hat and the un-lit cigar are a blatent attempt to trademark himself. Clown yes. Expert. Now that's funny and that's what clowns are supposed to be.

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I'm not sure is this is a joke post or not but it's completely ridiculous.

So you, a complete nobody walked up to one of the most respected boxing journalists in the world, in the Boxing Hall of Fame no less, then rather than just saying hello, nice to meet you, can I have your autograph, you proceeded to 'challenge' him on his knowledge and then he walked away.

Have you considered the alternative that instead of him being baffled by your extensive knowledge and awed by your boxing past, he just thought you were an annoying twat and so left cos he just couldn't bear to talk to you?

I can certainly share that feeling, as from your one post I already think you're a complete knob jockey.

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But he did sit at Cus D'Amato's feet though. That's got to count for something, right?

Then again maybe he decided not, since he edited that part out later.

Strange post. You don't need to have been a professional boxer to make comments or state your opinion on boxing. Thats like saying you guys dont need to vote, you've never been a politician, so you don't know politics.

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Originally Posted by Tjamesmichael

Burt Sugar comes across like an authority when he is in fact one of the least knowlegable psuedo -experts out there. I had the displeasure of meeting him at a fund raiser where I questioned him on his choice for toughest heavyweight champ of all time. When I disagreed with his "EXPERT" opinion he gave me the brush off and walked away while I was mid- sentence. Hey Burt I hate to tell you. I have climbed those steps into the ring over thirty times . Now let me ask you Burt, from where did you cull your extensive knowledge? As the saying goes 'When someone that doesn't know speaks with conviction and authority to others that also do not know, because of his conviction, the others belive him." The hat and the un-lit cigar are a blatent attempt to trademark himself. Clown yes. Expert. Now that's funny and that's what clowns are supposed to be.

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maybe you came off as the condescending guy and he decided to walk away?

Bert only listens when He is Talking ;D

Yes i met him , and he wanted to go to starbucks to discuss the world of boxing , but i told him no , i dont take Sugar ;D

I like Burt Sugar.

Still, I thought that was a nice little rant. Nothing wrong with anything you said. It's just an opinion that you "culled" from a single encounter with, Bert. ;D

Knowing nothing about a subject has never deterred Sugar from talking about it.

He wrote a pro wrestling book called "The Secrets of Pro Wrestling" years ago. Among the many gems in there was his claim that Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson's real name was Rocky Melvin.

funny. i can't stop chuckling. i'm a huge fan of british slang.;D

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Originally Posted by Tjamesmichael

Burt Sugar comes across like an authority when he is in fact one of the least knowlegable psuedo -experts out there. I had the displeasure of meeting him at a fund raiser where I questioned him on his choice for toughest heavyweight champ of all time. When I disagreed with his "EXPERT" opinion he gave me the brush off and walked away while I was mid- sentence. Hey Burt I hate to tell you. I have climbed those steps into the ring over thirty times . Now let me ask you Burt, from where did you cull your extensive knowledge? As the saying goes 'When someone that doesn't know speaks with conviction and authority to others that also do not know, because of his conviction, the others belive him." The hat and the un-lit cigar are a blatent attempt to trademark himself. Clown yes. Expert. Now that's funny and that's what clowns are supposed to be.

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Burt knows his shit...(Take it from someone who knows him and has sat and talked with him at length).....He does though act like an ass and ratttle on at times on shit where he seems like a complete idiot....I also agree on the fact Burt will go to extents with some people and just start spouting off on crap to make himself look as though he is a guru.....

If you ever really want to see Burt be an ass....Try sitting in a bar or press room with him...After a few drinks he really becomes an idiot...a bit arrogant as well on everything not just boxing...Quite disrespectful to women reporters

One thing about him though, he is very intelligent in general. Though he never practiced, he holds a law degree from Michigan (I believe) and also has an MBA. The one time I really had a chance to talk with him, he was fine. If you blow a little smoke up his rear end, he is all yours. Like any of us, he likes his props.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

One thing about him though, he is very intelligent in general. Though he never practiced, he holds a law degree from Michigan (I believe) and also has an MBA. The one time I really had a chance to talk with him, he was fine. If you blow a little smoke up his rear end, he is all yours. Like any of us, he likes his props.

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Agreed....I will say for anyone like his personality or not to think Bert is one of the least-informed and is a so called expert to the sport is just a biased claim...

The guy is perhaps one of the most knowledgeable men around the game today...

He would not have gone thins far as a fraud

Burt Sugar is a combination of repetitive jokes and tall-tales.

He sort of reminds me of boxings Andy Rooney.Stuck in his era,repetative and a bit aloof.It may be a generational thing as many are used to 'talkin it up' and banter in a crowded room,No blogs or on line or such.If not for "Boxing Illustrated" prior to the ease of the internet in the early 90's,I would have been blind in spots to what was going on.Just stacked with info/results.

Never met the man in person but I once called the phone number on the contents page of B.I with questions about a subscription right before the Mercer vs. Holmes fight.The man on the other end said he was Bert Sugar,I did not believe him and wondered why he answered his own phone...he said "because it was ringing".I mentioned the "Huge" fight and Mercer,Bert sugar (?) said Holmes was "going to get clobbered" and told me to call back later with order questions and hung up ??? Did seem a bit stiff but oh well.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

He sort of reminds me of boxings Andy Rooney.Stuck in his era,repetative and a bit aloof.It may be a generational thing as many are used to 'talkin it up' and banter in a crowded room,No blogs or on line or such.If not for "Boxing Illustrated" prior to the ease of the internet in the early 90's,I would have been blind in spots to what was going on.Just stacked with info/results.

Never met the man in person but I once called the phone number on the contents page of B.I with questions about a subscription right before the Mercer vs. Holmes fight.The man on the other end said he was Bert Sugar,I did not believe him and wondered why he answered his own phone...he said "because it was ringing".I mentioned the "Huge" fight and Mercer,Bert sugar (?) said Holmes was "going to get clobbered" and told me to call back later with order questions and hung up ??? Did seem a bit stiff but oh well.

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I don't believe he has a computer or email either. I think he told me that 3 years ago, but how can a writer not use a computer for God's sakes. :confused:

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Originally Posted by holmcall

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

He sort of reminds me of boxings Andy Rooney.Stuck in his era,repetative and a bit aloof.It may be a generational thing as many are used to 'talkin it up' and banter in a crowded room,No blogs or on line or such.If not for "Boxing Illustrated" prior to the ease of the internet in the early 90's,I would have been blind in spots to what was going on.Just stacked with info/results.

Never met the man in person but I once called the phone number on the contents page of B.I with questions about a subscription right before the Mercer vs. Holmes fight.The man on the other end said he was Bert Sugar,I did not believe him and wondered why he answered his own phone...he said "because it was ringing".I mentioned the "Huge" fight and Mercer,Bert sugar (?) said Holmes was "going to get clobbered" and told me to call back later with order questions and hung up ??? Did seem a bit stiff but oh well.

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I don't believe he has a computer or email either. I think he told me that 3 years ago, but how can a writer not use a computer for God's sakes. :confused:

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Some evolve and others just watch the grass grow under their feet while talking about how different it was once upon a time ago.It gets stale and old (No pun lol) but has some insight as well.No doubt that his one liners are painful to hear over & over & over etc ;D

I deleted some posts that contained foul language. Main board rules. Nothing personal.

He knows his stuff, but he talks about fights that happened before he was born as if he was there, and glorifies fighters who retired or were dead long before he was born. Does he know a lot about the sport in terms of its history? Sure, but the extent of his actual boxing knowledge as a tactician or somebody who has actually boxed I would argue that he doesn't know that much, his observations that I have read in his books are limited, he states the obvious because I am assuming he doesn't know the woodworks of actual boxing, not just boxing trivia.

I enjoy listening to him as a differtent angle, love listening to him tellin old stories. but thats just me.

I find him extremely irritating. I am aware that he has a lot of knowledge but he is a complete caricature and I cant really take him seriously. If you look like an arsehole, and you talk like an arsehole, you're an arsehole. Sorry about the language to any young kids and moderators!!

its just like buncey sum people love him & sum dont

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Originally Posted by cpcompany

I find him extremely irritating. I am aware that he has a lot of knowledge but he is a complete caricature and I cant really take him seriously. If you look like an arsehole, and you talk like an arsehole, you're an arsehole. Sorry about the language to any young kids and moderators!!

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i just used that ''READ' option & your post sounds well funny;D