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Buddy McGirt should have let Paulie finish the fight
Paulie is tough as nails and deserved to finish the fight, plain and simple. Like Paulie said, thats a stoppage loss on his record that, as outgunned as he was, really shouldn't be there.
It was probably the most awkward timing for a towel throw I've ever seen. Where the hell was his towel in the 6th round of Gatti/PBF?? Or the 9th round of Gatti/Ward? Obviously Paulie doesn't have the kind of fight changing power Gatti has, but nonetheless he deserved to go the distance, or at least go out on his shield.
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Re: Buddy McGirt should have let Paulie finish the fight
Yep, I agree. It was only another 5 minutes. Its not as though he had been down several times or had a broken jaw.
Let him finish it as he would have wanted.
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Re: Buddy McGirt should have let Paulie finish the fight
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Beanflicker
Paulie is tough as nails and deserved to finish the fight, plain and simple. Like Paulie said, thats a stoppage loss on his record that, as outgunned as he was, really shouldn't be there.
It was probably the most awkward timing for a towel throw I've ever seen. Where the hell was his towel in the 6th round of Gatti/PBF?? Or the 9th round of Gatti/Ward? Obviously Paulie doesn't have the kind of fight changing power Gatti has, but nonetheless he deserved to go the distance, or at least go out on his shield.
Thats assuming going the distance was Paulie's choice to make ? Mcgirt was looking out for his fighter.
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McGirt had his (Paulie's) career in mind, not just his pride. Malignaggi was getting hurt, he had no chance to win the fight, so why let it continue and have it potentially ruin him? He made the right choice IMO.
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I agreed with the stoppage. Malignaggi looked like a broken man in the corner between rounds, he looked like he was about to to cry after the 9th or 10th round. He wanted out and he got it. His reaction was just bravado in my opinion.
People might think I am being harsh on Malignaggi, but it looked to me that he had no fight in him.
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This is the Reason why Arturo Gatti left McGirt.
McGirt needs to stop humiliating his fighters to be honest.
I still remember back in like 2004 he was one of the hottest trainers around...mcgirt has fallen off big time.
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Re: Buddy McGirt should have let Paulie finish the fight
McGirt should have let the fight keep going, but Paulie should have done more work or else there wouldnt have been a reason to stop it. Paulie's fault.
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I think it should have been stopped a few rounds sooner than it was. I think waiting to round 11 and then pulling the plug was odd.
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Really? I thought McGirt pulled the plug too early. I understand Paulie was taking some shots but I've seen people take worse (Maybe because Vera took a ridiculous beating and no towel was thrown). Paulie had no shot of knocking Hatton out but there's a lot of pride in finishing the fight on your feet. Paulie was taking some punishment but by in no way career threatening blows. I don't know, I thought McGirt took his authority way too far. He told him to show him something or else he would throw in the towel. The round barely started and he already threw it in. Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks so...
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Re: Buddy McGirt should have let Paulie finish the fight
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CFH
McGirt had his (Paulie's) career in mind, not just his pride. Malignaggi was getting hurt, he had no chance to win the fight, so why let it continue and have it potentially ruin him? He made the right choice IMO.
I felt for Paulie M having to suffer the stoppage .... but the post Ive quoted has it bang on ...
If ya dont believe me just ask Michael Watson..
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Re: Buddy McGirt should have let Paulie finish the fight
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Beanflicker
Paulie is tough as nails and deserved to finish the fight, plain and simple. Like Paulie said, thats a stoppage loss on his record that, as outgunned as he was, really shouldn't be there.
It was probably the most awkward timing for a towel throw I've ever seen. Where the hell was his towel in the 6th round of Gatti/PBF?? Or the 9th round of Gatti/Ward? Obviously Paulie doesn't have the kind of fight changing power Gatti has, but nonetheless he deserved to go the distance, or at least go out on his shield.
Well, that part in bold is the whole point. As a trainer, if your fighter has the ability to change a fight with one punch, then you give him every opportunity to do it.
Malignaggi doesn't have that ability. His only hope was to win a decision, and since it was obvious that he was way behind on the scorecards, why let him continue? It's not like he was still being aggressive and letting his hands go, he had basically been reduced to clutching and grabbing, and was offering up no resistance at all.
I admire Paulie's heart, but McGirt did the right thing.
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Re: Buddy McGirt should have let Paulie finish the fight
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
Paulie is tough as nails and deserved to finish the fight, plain and simple. Like Paulie said, thats a stoppage loss on his record that, as outgunned as he was, really shouldn't be there.
It was probably the most awkward timing for a towel throw I've ever seen. Where the hell was his towel in the 6th round of Gatti/PBF?? Or the 9th round of Gatti/Ward? Obviously Paulie doesn't have the kind of fight changing power Gatti has, but nonetheless he deserved to go the distance, or at least go out on his shield.
DAMN STRAIGHT!!!
It was a bullsh*t stoppage. McGirt was WAAAAAAY off base on this one. Yes, Paulie was losing the fight. But he was still competitive, and conceivably still had that "lucky punch" chance. You saw Paulie's reaction as soon as the fight was stopped. He was beside himself, to the point of shoving McGirt away. He felt humiliated, embarrased. I thought he expressed himself with class, given the circumstances. But he put it very well when he said: "I was hurt a lot more against Cotto, and they let me finish. I'm a lot better than a fight stoppage." He was very gracious to the British fans in attendance.
Face it... McGirt f*cked up.
:mad:
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Re: Buddy McGirt should have let Paulie finish the fight
He took 11 rounds of beating, he had 1 round t go. There was nothing hatton was going to do to stop him. Buddy should have let him go the distance. For a fighter, especially one like Paulie, it has to be humiliating.
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Paulie got absoloutely took to school last night.
I loved every single SECOND of the fight.
Seeing that cocky, brash, gay ass Italian get beatdown like an amateur by an "MMA fighter" he called Ricky :lolhaha: has made my weekend :cool:
I still can't get over the fact it weren't even close.
McGirt done the right thing IMO.
THERE'S ONLY ONE RICKY HATTON
WALKING ALONG
SINGING A SONG
WALKING IN A HATTON WONDERLAND
Boy I certainly am walking in a Hatton wonderland ;D
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^Just make sure Hatton doesn't fight DLH or Mayweather again and you can stay in that Wonderland for the rest of his career.
I was very impressed with Hatton.
"It's on my record now and even in 50 years it will say I got stopped in this fight. That's always going to stay with me, always going to bother me."
That says it all IMO, maybe to us its just sparring the guy of losing 1 more round, but to him its his legacy, its what he pours his blood and sweat into, Buddy had no right to do that.
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Beanflicker
^Just make sure Hatton doesn't fight DLH or Mayweather again and you can stay in that Wonderland for the rest of his career.
I was very impressed with Hatton.
"It's on my record now and even in 50 years it will say I got stopped in this fight. That's always going to stay with me, always going to bother me."
That says it all IMO, maybe to us its just sparring the guy of losing 1 more round, but to him its his legacy, its what he pours his blood and sweat into, Buddy had no right to do that.
Wrong, Buddy had every right to do that. PM had zero as in no chance of winning. Hatton was landing heavy shots almost at will at that point. If you are training someone what's the point of watching him get pummeled while having nothing to give back. This is further compounded by the fact from the 2nd round on PM was not engaging at all, he wasn't listening to his corner and was doing nothing to adjust to Hatton's style.
Half ass jab, duck deep to the right and clinch repeat ad nauseum.
Paulie used to have much better footwork and used to let his hands go a lot more, I think Cotto beat that out of him.
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now that i think about yea maybe its a good thing the fight did get stopped but only because 1 reason and that is because Paulie had no chance of winning. but on the other hand he should have kept it going but only so he wouldnt have that tko loss on his record. but now he does and theres nothing he can say really cause he was getting beat the fuk up anyway.
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Paulie doesnt have alot of power on a good day,his hand was obviously hurt again out there. He'd lost all but the first round,and his power hand was hurt,whats the point of letting Hatton use him for a punching bag for another round and a half?
I usually dont like corner stoppages, but I could see this one. He was just getting pummeled at that point,with no real hope of doing anything about it
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I say it was a good call by McGirt. And HBO commentators agreed with him.
PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES.
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My view on the stoppage was that McGirt did it because he was embarassed. PM had made it clear he just wanted to hang on and go the distance, this doesnt make him a "warrior" its the cowards way out to spoil at every oppurtunity. It would have been a better spectacle, he would have earned his pay and earned more respect if he had just thrown caution to the wind and started throwing. Personally I would prefer to get KTFO going for that 1% chance than hang on and never know.
Definitely could have survived, but think he deserved a TKO on his record, completely dominated and outclassed as he was.
Not something I have seen discussed anywhere else, anyone got any views on this?
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Re: Buddy McGirt should have let Paulie finish the fight
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Beanflicker
He took 11 rounds of beating, he had 1 round t go. There was nothing hatton was going to do to stop him. Buddy should have let him go the distance. For a fighter, especially one like Paulie, it has to be humiliating.
Sorry bro but thats way off.Accumulative sustained beatings are much more costly than being able to say "I went 12 rounds" is meaningful.Look at it this way...Now that he made such a spectacle out of it and has in effect changed the subject from the fact that he was not going to win on the cards and waiting on Paulie to land a miracle brick is like waiting on snowfall in the desert....he can always say Buddy shafted him :frown:.But it was Hatton doing the beating,plain as day.Buddy is not some Trainer speaking and acting from a far,he has 80 fights inside those ropes,Paulie should not take this personal and concentrate on executing a game plan.
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Paulie was not even trying.....It would have been different if he would have went out with giving all his effort but he was doing squat...When the guy is not even throwing the jab then WTF...
It may have been nthe best thing for him...Not so much for the sake of not absorbing punches but as a mental lesson....Put it in his head that if you are not giving it your all then there is no reason to be in there....
He looked out for his fighter like he should have....It was for the best all around....
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Sorry bro but thats way off.Accumulative sustained beatings are much more costly than being able to say "I went 12 rounds" is meaningful.Look at it this way...Now that he made such a spectacle out of it and has in effect changed the subject from the fact that he was not going to win on the cards and waiting on Paulie to land a miracle brick is like waiting on snowfall in the desert....he can always say Buddy shafted him :frown:.But it was Hatton doing the beating,plain as day.Buddy is not some Trainer speaking and acting from a far,he has 80 fights inside those ropes,Paulie should not take this personal and concentrate on executing a game plan.
One more round wasn't likely to do much.
ANd Hatton wasn't hitting him at will at all.
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Beanflicker
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Sorry bro but thats way off.Accumulative sustained beatings are much more costly than being able to say "I went 12 rounds" is meaningful.Look at it this way...Now that he made such a spectacle out of it and has in effect changed the subject from the fact that he was not going to win on the cards and waiting on Paulie to land a miracle brick is like waiting on snowfall in the desert....he can always say Buddy shafted him :frown:.But it was Hatton doing the beating,plain as day.Buddy is not some Trainer speaking and acting from a far,he has 80 fights inside those ropes,Paulie should not take this personal and concentrate on executing a game plan.
One more round wasn't likely to do much.
ANd Hatton wasn't hitting him at will at all.
You don't know that. If we knew when the damage would occur we could stop all fights at just the right moment, but we don't know so IMO it's better to stop it than not. We're talking long term here not just for the sake of one fight.
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The stoppage was good as Paullie had no answers for what Hatton brought and Paullie paid the price...McGirt was probably embarrassed as his fighter did not look prepared or even have a strategy...When Hatton got past Paullie's jab there was no answer...even worse no angles, or counters from Paullie, just holding...Maybe Paullie was over trained, Maybe Hatton is just that good or maybe McGirt didn't have his fighter properly prepared...who know's but I can't argue with the stoppage after such a one-sided beating...
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Re: Buddy McGirt should have let Paulie finish the fight
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TitoFan
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Beanflicker
Paulie is tough as nails and deserved to finish the fight, plain and simple. Like Paulie said, thats a stoppage loss on his record that, as outgunned as he was, really shouldn't be there.
It was probably the most awkward timing for a towel throw I've ever seen. Where the hell was his towel in the 6th round of Gatti/PBF?? Or the 9th round of Gatti/Ward? Obviously Paulie doesn't have the kind of fight changing power Gatti has, but nonetheless he deserved to go the distance, or at least go out on his shield.
DAMN STRAIGHT!!!
It was a bullsh*t stoppage. McGirt was WAAAAAAY off base on this one. Yes, Paulie was losing the fight. But he was still competitive, and conceivably still had that "lucky punch" chance. You saw Paulie's reaction as soon as the fight was stopped. He was beside himself, to the point of shoving McGirt away. He felt humiliated, embarrased. I thought he expressed himself with class, given the circumstances. But he put it very well when he said: "I was hurt a lot more against Cotto, and they let me finish. I'm a lot better than a fight stoppage." He was very gracious to the British fans in attendance.
Face it... McGirt f*cked up.
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Competitive? That's really stretching it imo, not to mention a 'lucky punch chance'. As choked as Paulie seemed that McGirt had stopped it, maybe Buddy was just as agitated that Paulie hadn't tried to execute all night and let his hands go, or show any fire to win? It's pretty tough to say a trainer is "off base" to throw in the towel, he knows his fighter a lot better than anyone else concerned. The only negative I would take from this is that Paulie seems to take solace in the fact that he is so tough, and seems proud to have went 12 with Cotto etc. This might hurt him mentally more than it spared him physically, that is indeed possible. As far as him having any shot in hell to do anything but lose a lopsided UD and take more damage though had it no been stopped, wasn't happening.
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I didn't have any problem with it, why let him continue to get beat up for no reason? Its not comparable, like others have said, to Gatti/Ward 1.
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leftylee
Paulie got absoloutely took to school last night.
I loved every single SECOND of the fight.
Seeing that cocky, brash, gay ass Italian get beatdown like an amateur by an "MMA fighter" he called Ricky :lolhaha: has made my weekend :cool:
I still can't get over the fact it weren't even close.
McGirt done the right thing IMO.
THERE'S ONLY ONE RICKY HATTON
WALKING ALONG
SINGING A SONG
WALKING IN A HATTON WONDERLAND
Boy I certainly am walking in a Hatton wonderland ;D
Malignaggi for some reason just did not seem to let himself get in the fight.....Would not even throw the jabs like Buddy was telling him to....No excuse for that type of performance....Not even a lame journeyman would have put up such a poor performance......Maybe people are right when they say Cotto ruined him....
But to gloat over such a win over such a poor performance is just as annoying as you feel Malignaggi is/was.....Because Remember it was Hatton who just under a year ago was the ANNOYING, COCKY, BRASH...fighter who was calling PBF overrated.....you remember back when the song picked up that other verse....
THERE'S ONLY ONE RICKY HATTON
FLOYD BEAT HIM DOWN
MADE HIM LOOK LIKE A CLOWN
DUMPED HIM ON HIS SHIT TALKING ASS...
:-X:-X....
Never gloat when at one time he WAS that fighter he just beat
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McGirt gives the best advice that boxers never listen too, i have no specific instances to use as examples but his fighters always listen to his advice and then go out and do the same damn thing.....either that or mcgirt is just plain bad luck. Paulie would have still lost but why he stopped the fight i'm not really sure kirkland looked way more beat up in the previous fight.
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In the end, both guys were great sportsman.
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Excellent corner work in my opinion, given the fact that his corner had warned him already to get productive or they would pull him out ... they are the ones that look towards him getting through a safe as is possible career & are not there to preserve a fighters view of his pride at the cost of his safety...
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