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Cotto or hatton ?
One guy stopped him the other couldnt. One guy floored him, the other couldnt. Was Cotto was fighting an undfeated prime Malignaggi and Hatton got his leftovers or was Hatton fighting an established champ and Coot got the green version ?
Its no brainer of course Ricky Hatton did, despite all of Paul Malignaggi's injuries against Miguel Cotto. He was always in the fight and even stunned Miguel Cotto a few times, and he won atleast 4 rounds.
Except for the 1st round Paul Malignaggi lost every single round against Ricky Hatton. He was totally outclassed in every aspect and looked on the verge of quitting at the end.
The only reason Hatton didn't get a KD was because Malignaggi managed to grab hold of him on the way down.
Yeah I think Cotto and Hatton kind of put on a different pressure as well.. Hatton fought a really great fight, and kept a lot of pressure on and gave PM no chance at all to get his work happening.. Cotto wasn't as relentless and PM had a bit of freedom to get into his rhythm, but when Cotto landed some big shots, Paulie wasn't in a position to save himself and went down from harder blows...
People on the stream I was watching the fight on were saying Hatton is better than Cotto because Paulie looked better against Cotto than he did Hatton... Hatton was better against Paulie that Cotto was and nullified Paulie's game much better on the night.. But I wouldn't say that makes him any better than Cotto.. Style's make fights as they say...
oh please....
The answer to this question came from Malignaggi's own mouth after the fight.
:rolleyes:
Didn't he just say Cotto hurt him more?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
First time Hatton landed cleanly Paulie was on queer street. After that he just grabbed hold.
You have to say Hatton. Cotto fight might have been more brutal, but it was a much closer fight. Paulie won 4/5 rounds against Cotto and he stunned him.
Paulie is supposed to be a better fighter now with the world title fights under his belt, but he was outclassed big time last night. He was outboxed, out sped, out fought. The speed that Hatton closed the distance had Paulie hesitating, and Paulie didn't want to throw anything of his own because he was scared of what would come back.
A novice (in comparison) Paulie broke his hand and cheekbone(i think) against Cotto and still made it really competitive. Hatton anhialated him.
And what's the point of this useless thread? To imply that Hatton is somehow better than Cotto? Too bad they never met in the ring. That would've settled a lot of moot arguments in the past. Of course, if Hatton would consider going up to 147 to fight DLH, maybe he should have a tune-up first against Cotto (at 147).Quote:
Originally Posted by onoDidn't he just say Cotto hurt him more?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
First time Hatton landed cleanly Paulie was on queer street. After that he just grabbed hold.
You have to say Hatton. Cotto fight might have been more brutal, but it was a much closer fight. Paulie won 4/5 rounds against Cotto and he stunned him.
Paulie is supposed to be a better fighter now with the world title fights under his belt, but he was outclassed big time last night. He was outboxed, out sped, out fought. The speed that Hatton closed the distance had Paulie hesitating, and Paulie didn't want to throw anything of his own because he was scared of what would come back.
A novice (in comparison) Paulie broke his hand and cheekbone(i think) against Cotto and still made it really competitive. Hatton anhialated him.
;) ;)
I'd have to say Cotto. Ricky won more rounds, but Cotto gave him a worse beating I think. Also, the stoppage has no bearing, because it was a dumb stoppage and IMO Ricky was not going to stop paulie if MCgirt didnt throw the towel in.
The only people who vote for Cotto must be groupies.
Cotto conceeded 4/5 rounds against this chump.
Hatton conceeded one and beat him both on the inside and outside.
Big wow Cotto floored him, it was a flash knockdown anyway. When Hatton landed a jab it looked like Paulie would go down.
Hatton took him to school, Paulie was very much competitive in the Cotto fight.
Easy choice IMO.
I'm not a Cotto or Hatton groupie, but I do think Cotto gave him a greater beating, but this is tied into the fact the Malignaggi chose to engage more in the Cotto fight (although he he did still hold a lot). The stoppage is irrelavant. I almost feel bad for Ricky here though, he gave one of the best performances of his career, he deserved to have someone fight back and put some effort in.
The hatton fight was more one sided .
The cotto fight was more competitive but Paulie took more punishment.
I give the edge to Hatton though.
Hatton took all the rounds except for 1 and schooled paulie.
But Cotto broke his FACE and sent his ass to the hospital.
so Cotto did.
either way both beat the crap outta him so who cares Paulie still lost.
Hatton beat him a lot easier than Cotto
Cotto beat him better cos he sent him to hospital? This is boxing my friend, Hatton Paulie fight was awy more one sided hense the reason he was pulled out.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
i know paulie was out scored by Hatton thats why i said he schooled him.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Cotto beat him better cos he sent him to hospital? This is boxing my friend, Hatton Paulie fight was awy more one sided hense the reason he was pulled out.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
but it depents on how you define BEAT i guess. if u think beat is schooling the shit out of him then its Hatton.
if u look at paulie after the cotto fight and then look at him after the Hatton fight then tell me which paulie looks more fuked up.
I think Cotto broke his fukken jaw.
And your point.... ?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
See my previous post two posts before yours.
;)
It does depend on the definition of "beat." Hatton dominated the fight against Paulie better than Cotto did but I think Cotto did more damage to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnki know paulie was out scored by Hatton thats why i said he schooled him.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Cotto beat him better cos he sent him to hospital? This is boxing my friend, Hatton Paulie fight was awy more one sided hense the reason he was pulled out.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
but it depents on how you define BEAT i guess. if u think beat is schooling the shit out of him then its Hatton.
if u look at paulie after the cotto fight and then look at him after the Hatton fight then tell me which paulie looks more fuked up.
I don't know i didn't start the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAnd what's the point of this useless thread? To imply that Hatton is somehow better than Cotto? Too bad they never met in the ring. That would've settled a lot of moot arguments in the past. Of course, if Hatton would consider going up to 147 to fight DLH, maybe he should have a tune-up first against Cotto (at 147).Quote:
Originally Posted by onoDidn't he just say Cotto hurt him more?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
First time Hatton landed cleanly Paulie was on queer street. After that he just grabbed hold.
You have to say Hatton. Cotto fight might have been more brutal, but it was a much closer fight. Paulie won 4/5 rounds against Cotto and he stunned him.
Paulie is supposed to be a better fighter now with the world title fights under his belt, but he was outclassed big time last night. He was outboxed, out sped, out fought. The speed that Hatton closed the distance had Paulie hesitating, and Paulie didn't want to throw anything of his own because he was scared of what would come back.
A novice (in comparison) Paulie broke his hand and cheekbone(i think) against Cotto and still made it really competitive. Hatton anhialated him.
;) ;)
There's no point you winking like you know something we don't. Everybody knows Cotto would be too much for Hatton at 147. He's naturally bigger and stronger....and technically a better fighter.
If they had have met in the past it would likely be at 140 where Cotto wasn't as strong. Cotto would have had a lot of problems imo.
I just find it strange that anybody can say Cotto did a better job on Paulie considering he gave away 4 or 5 rounds to a guy who broke his hand. It's the sport of Boxing. Rounds win you fights. If we we're judging street fights then i'd be inclined to say Cotto did a terrific job, but he got hit far too frequently (and stunned) for me to say he did a better job than a guy who hardly got hit and totally dominated every aspect of the fight.
Not knocking Cotto....i love watching him. Just don't think he was as effective at 140 as Hatton has been. 147 = different story.
Clearly Hatton. If Paulie bothered to stand up and actually take part in the fight it would have been over by rd 5.
Fair enough, ono. I still don't get the point of the thread, but I can agree on a lot of your points. I will say that IMO Cotto was pretty damn effective at 140. But as time went on he found it harder and harder to make the weight. He moved up to 147 at the right time.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI don't know i didn't start the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAnd what's the point of this useless thread? To imply that Hatton is somehow better than Cotto? Too bad they never met in the ring. That would've settled a lot of moot arguments in the past. Of course, if Hatton would consider going up to 147 to fight DLH, maybe he should have a tune-up first against Cotto (at 147).Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
;) ;)
There's no point you winking like you know something we don't. Everybody knows Cotto would be too much for Hatton at 147. He's naturally bigger and stronger....and technically a better fighter.
If they had have met in the past it would likely be at 140 where Cotto wasn't as strong. Cotto would have had a lot of problems imo.
I just find it strange that anybody can say Cotto did a better job on Paulie considering he gave away 4 or 5 rounds to a guy who broke his hand. It's the sport of Boxing. Rounds win you fights. If we we're judging street fights then i'd be inclined to say Cotto did a terrific job, but he got hit far too frequently (and stunned) for me to say he did a better job than a guy who hardly got hit and totally dominated every aspect of the fight.
Not knocking Cotto....i love watching him. Just don't think he was as effective at 140 as Hatton has been. 147 = different story.
:)
EXACTLY!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
We also have to consider that Cotto broke his hand in the fifth round so basicly Paulie was defending himself against a one armed man from rounds 5 1/2 to 12. What is really shocking is that Hatton's faces was all bruised ;D How can you suffer lumps and bruises from a guy who hits like a girl? I did not see anything new from Hatton other than patience but Paulie was taking a play out of the Mayweather Jr. play book and ducking and grabbing Hatton by the head like Floyd did. Paulie is Cotto's damaged goods. Pualie has never been the same since then. If Malignaggi and Hatton are the best of the 140 lb division, I think this division is weak as phuk. ;D I thought the fight was pretty boring but it was not Hatton's fault of course because it was Paulie who was doing most of the hit and hold but Hatton likes to do a little of that himself but I dont consider his style hit and hold it's more like hit, hold, hit, hold and maul your opponent which is different from what Paulie has to do since he is not considered an inside fighter.
So who beat Paulie down worse? Cotto had this kid beaten like a pulp in under 5 rounds and the only thing that saved Paulie was the fact that Cotto broke his hand. End of.
I find it comical that people say Paulie was finished goods after Cotto.
NOBODY said this beforehand.
Also you may wanna check out his first fight with Lovermore N'Dou.
I can't believe Cotto conceded 5 rounds to this puff :lolhaha:
Doesn't matter what Paulie's mouth looked like :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAnd your point.... ?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
See my previous post two posts before yours.
;)
Cotto COULD NOT get him out of there: Hatton did.
Cotto conceded 4/5 rounds: Hatton conceded 1.
;)
Remember that Cotto broke his hand in the fifth.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeDoesn't matter what Paulie's mouth looked like :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAnd your point.... ?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
See my previous post two posts before yours.
;)
Cotto COULD NOT get him out of there: Hatton did.
Cotto conceded 4/5 rounds: Hatton conceded 1.
;)
Hatton never stopped Malignaggi, it was Paulies corner who stopped it. Paulie is known for being tough and his corner even took that away from him. I believe that Cotto would have knocked Pualie out had he not broken his hand. I guess we will just have to see what Hatton still has and has learned when he gets in the ring with someone better than Malignaggi who IMO sucks and after he got served by Cotto, he has never been the same but if Paulie is the best that weight division has then it is a very lousy division.
You gotta watch the 1st N'Dou fight seriousley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_GRemember that Cotto broke his hand in the fifth.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeDoesn't matter what Paulie's mouth looked like :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Cotto COULD NOT get him out of there: Hatton did.
Cotto conceded 4/5 rounds: Hatton conceded 1.
;)
Hatton never stopped Malignaggi, it was Paulies corner who stopped it. Paulie is known for being tough and his corner even took that away from him. I believe that Cotto would have knocked Pualie out had he not broken his hand. I guess we will just have to see what Hatton still has and has learned when he gets in the ring with someone better than Malignaggi who IMO sucks and after he got served by Cotto, he has never been the same but if Paulie is the best that weight division has then it is a very lousy division.
I did, it was a fight in which the ref did not allow any holding or inside fighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeYou gotta watch the 1st N'Dou fight seriousley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_GRemember that Cotto broke his hand in the fifth.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Hatton never stopped Malignaggi, it was Paulies corner who stopped it. Paulie is known for being tough and his corner even took that away from him. I believe that Cotto would have knocked Pualie out had he not broken his hand. I guess we will just have to see what Hatton still has and has learned when he gets in the ring with someone better than Malignaggi who IMO sucks and after he got served by Cotto, he has never been the same but if Paulie is the best that weight division has then it is a very lousy division.
What happend in the second fight? BTW LoveMore DooDoo is an old man.
And I did not enjoy neither fights between Malignaggi and DooDoo man.
Oh... ok leftylee. You got me there. Gee, I guess that does it. By virtue of Hatton winning more rounds against Paulie than Cotto did, that must make him better.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeDoesn't matter what Paulie's mouth looked like :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAnd your point.... ?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
See my previous post two posts before yours.
;)
Cotto COULD NOT get him out of there: Hatton did.
Cotto conceded 4/5 rounds: Hatton conceded 1.
;)
:Sarcasm:
Small minds win small arguments, eh?
;)
Maybe Cotto did take a lot out of Paulie that's possible, but Paulie has never been that good. I don't remember Paulie winning five rounds either. I would say four was a bit of a stretch but it has been awhile. And Cotto looked horrible at the weigh in, as drained as anybody I've ever seen.
Basically Cotto did more damage partly cause Paulie was more willing to fight and Hatton won more rounds. Not that it really matters unless you're a huge fan of either guy.
You can't use the argument "Cotto finished Paulie" because Paulies best performance/win came AFTER Cotto.
It's simply a case of - Paulie's not that good.
Cotto can have the excuse of being undermotivated for such a NON-dangerous puncher, as well as the OBVIOUS weight troubles he had. Cotto still smashed him.
A fan boy war should be from here on out.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Hatton outboxed him, hurt him whenever he landed anything significant and took hardly any punches.
Cotto inflicted much more damage (had more chances to as they traded a lot), took more shots from Malignaggi, it was a much more competitive fight.
Cotto did it the hard way, Ricky did it the easy way.
Lets see, Cotto knocked him down, broke his jaw, put him in the hospital, and took months out of his boxing career.
Yeah Cotto did. Everyone is high off of Hattons performance but you have to remember the fact that Cotto fought Malignaggi with a broken hand and still did all of that to him. And Malignaggi would have probably seen the final bell if Buddy hadn't thrown in the towel.
Cotto gave him a worse beating, and if Cotto and Hatton were in the ring together Cotto would pretty much do the same to Hatton. Hatton no matter who his trainer is isn.t gonna outbox or bully Cotto. It took someone like Antonio Margarito to actually break Cotto down, and Hatton is no Margarito :)
But since we are talking a worse beating, Cotto, Cotto did it one handed.
To me Malignaggi has never really been the same since the Cotto fight. His decline had started. He struggled after. And Cotto was weight drained in that fight.
No contest. Cotto.
He did it weight drained, and with a broken hand.
Paulie threw combinations in the Cotto fight, and in his fight against Hatton, he basically fought with one hand, no combinations, and didn't throw as many punches as he normally does. And if Buddy McGirt stopped the fight against Hatton, when Paulie wasn't even hurt, and could finish the fight, can you imagine when he would have stopped the Cotto fight?
http://i34.tinypic.com/143m4hl.jpg
Yes Cotto made a mess of Paulie's face but that doesn't mean he beat him better Cotto lost 4 or 5 rounds to Paulie going into the 11th and final round Hatton was 9 rounds to 1 up. And if it weren't for Paulie holding on for dear life when hurt Hatton could have perhaps stopped him.
Hatton beat Paulie far better.
But....
All this proves is how starved and emmaciated Miguel was at this weight.
Ricky did what Miguel could not though, he broke Paulie's heart...early.
His best "wins" came AFTER Cotto. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Once again the american bias towards its own fighters comes out on here (i do acknowledge cotto is puerto rican but he has fought in the states for most of his career)
Watch the cotto-paulie fight again and you`ll clearly see for large parts Malignaggi was in control of the fight and hurt cotto on more than a couple of occasions only losing at the end by 115-112
Hatton battered malignaggi and won all but the 1st round and at no point did his assault let up.
Paulie got destroyed by hatton yet almost beat cotto
their in itself lies your answer
I voted Cotto and i'm definitely no groupie. But I do know who's a Hatton groupie.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Cotto's beat him when he was undefeated and felt unbeatable and still had use of his right hand. it was clear that he had some sort of trouble with his right because just about everytime he threw it he landed it on Hattons face and that would make anyone want to let it go.
That being said, I think Hatton made some very good improvements very quickly under hi new trainer and he changed my mind about what i thought he had left in the tank. He looked better conditioned even though its much different when you're getting return fire. He definitely learned how to box better without the recklessness.
Think about this, if Mcgirt stopped it at that point in the Hatton fight, what do you think he would have done if he was in the corner for the Cotto fight. He would have probably tried to jump in and help because paulie looked mashed.