Wow if this is true I'm going with Shane on this one although Marg must be the favorite head to head analysis coming up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastside Boxing
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Wow if this is true I'm going with Shane on this one although Marg must be the favorite head to head analysis coming up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastside Boxing
Hasn't Shane already signed for Berto?
pretty sure mosleys signed for berto in january.
Wouldnt be surprised if margarito puts himself in with any old contender and then waits it out to fight the winner of that next summer!!
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Originally Posted by piyeWow if this is true I'm going with Shane on this one although Marg must be the favorite head to head analysis coming up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastside Boxing
Just read about this on another boxing website as well. I hope its true it will be a great fight. Got to be said my man Mosley has some big balls!!
I heard somewhere else that Berto-Mosley was not signed, that Berto's people were a bit unsure about going through with it unless they got more money, they'd just go with Collazo.
I can't say if that's 100 hundred percent true but I saw that yesterday and now today you have this so it could be.
The fight seems made now. Money alone was not the issue for Margarito. He just did not think Shane deserved a 50% split of the money.
By Mark Vester
According to Francisco Espinoza, co-manager of WBA welterweight champion Antonio Margarito, a deal has been reached for a title defense against Shane Mosley on January 24 in Las Vegas. There were ongoing negotiations for the last few weeks that broke down last Tuesday when Margarito, angry that Mosley wanted a 50-50 split, turned down the fight. Golden Boy Promotions tried to secure WBC champ Andre Berto for Molsey but there were numerous issues ranging from money to Berto losing his title for not making his mandatory obligation against Luis Collazo.
Espinoza told the usually reliable Notifight, that HBO, who put up a previous license fee of $4 million dollars, came to the table with a new offer late Friday night. Team Margarito went over the offer and approved it over the weekend. The previous license fee being put up by HBO was $4 million dollars. Espinoza did not disclose the financial terms of the new deal.
Espinoza told Notifight that Margarito accepted the deal and is making plans for his Los Angeles training camp. More details to come.
No, Dan Rafael reported that that fight was in big trouble because of a number of issues. One was that Don King was pushing Collazo's mandatory status and Berto would have to give up the WBC belt to take the fight, which he did not want to do. Also, the money was not there for the risk involved. He stood to get about $850,000 for the Mosley fight, and about $650,000 to fight Collazo. So, the risk/reward was not adding up to take the fight. I hope this rumor is true and Margarito/Mosley is on. If not, I hope Mosley gives Williams a shot.Quote:
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I believe that Berto reconsidered after the fact he realized he would have to give up his title for a bout with Mosley....
Tony was waiting to get a better cut of the purse like I said....He wanted to be treated like the champion....Mosley was to get an even split with him and Tony's people said no.....and I agree with them....Mosley's people never gave Tony the time of day in the past...as neither did any of GBP...Why should he split fair?.....He is the champ and he is the #1 man in the division.....No one ever offered an even split with him in the past.....
He will beat Shane like a drum....I am a Mosley fan but Tony is just on fire right now....
Horses for coarses, I fancy Mosley in this one. ;D
As much as I disagree with everything you have ever said about the Klitscho Brothers; I agree with this statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I believe that Berto reconsidered after the fact he realized he would have to give up his title for a bout with Mosley....
Tony was waiting to get a better cut of the purse like I said....He wanted to be treated like the champion....Mosley was to get an even split with him and Tony's people said no.....and I agree with them....Mosley's people never gave Tony the time of day in the past...as neither did any of GBP...Why should he split fair?.....He is the champ and he is the #1 man in the division.....No one ever offered an even split with him in the past.....
He will beat Shane like a drum....I am a Mosley fan but Tony is just on fire right now....
I think it would have to be close to even split though as there is no doubt who is the bigger draw of the two fighters.
However the champion should get the bigger split id say 55 AM and 45 SM.
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InTEResTING ;)
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I agree 100%. What was that old Roy Jones saying? "60-40 I'll kick your ass" Hehe. Many say Shane is the bigger draw, but I have serious doubts about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I believe that Berto reconsidered after the fact he realized he would have to give up his title for a bout with Mosley....
Tony was waiting to get a better cut of the purse like I said....He wanted to be treated like the champion....Mosley was to get an even split with him and Tony's people said no.....and I agree with them....Mosley's people never gave Tony the time of day in the past...as neither did any of GBP...Why should he split fair?.....He is the champ and he is the #1 man in the division.....No one ever offered an even split with him in the past.....
He will beat Shane like a drum....I am a Mosley fan but Tony is just on fire right now....
Cotto vs Shane did 340000 buys
Cotto vs Margarito did 480000+ buys.
Margarito is now considered "the man" of the division by beating Cotto and deserves a bigger slice of the pie until someone removes him from that position.
Shane is still a name, but you can only carry past accomplishments so far. Margarito just wants to get paid.
Looks like the man has some buisness sense to go with that fiery offense and thick chin,good forhim,Should be a great fight,I like Tony over 12,would not rule a late TKO with Shane on his feet :fight:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Can't blame him either - he deserves it. I'm glad this fight is happening, even though I would have liked to see Berto fight Mosley, too. I think Margarito overwhelms Mosley at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwI agree 100%. What was that old Roy Jones saying? "60-40 I'll kick your ass" Hehe. Many say Shane is the bigger draw, but I have serious doubts about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I believe that Berto reconsidered after the fact he realized he would have to give up his title for a bout with Mosley....
Tony was waiting to get a better cut of the purse like I said....He wanted to be treated like the champion....Mosley was to get an even split with him and Tony's people said no.....and I agree with them....Mosley's people never gave Tony the time of day in the past...as neither did any of GBP...Why should he split fair?.....He is the champ and he is the #1 man in the division.....No one ever offered an even split with him in the past.....
He will beat Shane like a drum....I am a Mosley fan but Tony is just on fire right now....
Cotto vs Shane did 340000 buys
Cotto vs Margarito did 480000+ buys.
Margarito is now considered "the man" of the division by beating Cotto and deserves a bigger slice of the pie until someone removes him from that position.
Shane is still a name, but you can only carry past accomplishments so far. Margarito just wants to get paid.
I like Margarito, but guys like Toney, Hopkins, Mayweather, Delahoya and Mosely dont get Knocked out.
Maybe Shane gets out hustled but he isint going to back up and will stand his ground like Clottey and will make it a proper tear up :cool:
It's not a done deal yet guys.
Over the weekend talks heated up again, because the Berto talks fell through. Then Richie Rich of Golden Boy approached Jeff Wald about having Mosley's opponent be Sergio Mora, but HBO wouldn't give it the greenlight. So they went back to Margarito's team to start talks up again.
It's not signed, but it's looking good. Word is that it will be signed sometime over the next week, with the announcement coming over the ODLH/Pacman fight weekend.
It still can fall apart. ;)
not sure what Mosleys got left, if he fights like he did v Mayorga i think he'd lose, if he uses his speed and turns back the clock he could do a number on Tony
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Originally Posted by Violent Ds Next Baby Mama
I have thought that Mosley would get murdered by Margarito, maybe no stopped, but surely pumelled in this fight, but the most I think about it, I can't think of a single person who can stand there and trade better than Mosley. His chin is at least equal to Margarito's, he takes a better body shot, also he has better footspeed than Cotto even though he isn't the best at using it. As long as he can keep the fight being fought at range I think he has a shot, Margarito is such a good fighter on the inside its amazing considering how horrible he is on the outside, it is really like two different fighters. On the outside he throws wider punches than most amateurs, his jab is slow to come back, and his cross is slow and doesn't get half the leverage or speed behind it as it should. He really doesn't get leverage on any of his punches from the outside, but once he gets his guy on the ropes, his punches become short, tight, and crisp, he begins to throw great combinations that are hard to defend. If Mosley can avoid the ropes, and keep the range like I"ve said he's got a shot.
A fighter of Mosley's caliber always has a shot - he's older, but he's still a great fighter. I still think Tony's too much for him at this stage, but I'd love to see Mosley pull out a great performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I think you make a couple of great points. I think SSM will be able to handle the pressure a little better than Cotto - the footspeed will help - and I think he has a better beard. I still don't think it's enough at this point, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings to be wrong.
Well it looks like they finalized everything today, and Arum has confirmed it with ESPN. ;D
ESPN - Antonio Margarito-Shane Mosley bout back on after more talks
I got Tony all the way on this one....I love Shane but gotta stick with Tornado Man....:cool:
damn. Mosley is gonna get hurt, but i hope he wins even though im sure Margarito will.
Im with you there,except I think if Mosley comes in fit as he always does, then it'll go the distance and Shane will have him wondering about angles he hasnt seen used for a while and getting tagged clean and out pointed. If he hurts Shane early and takes his legs away it will be all over but I dont think he'll catch him that hard early enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Mosley for me.
Thatnks for clearin that up Daxx, but I'm not sure. This Will be Mosely's last hurrahQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I believe that Berto reconsidered after the fact he realized he would have to give up his title for a bout with Mosley....
Tony was waiting to get a better cut of the purse like I said....He wanted to be treated like the champion....Mosley was to get an even split with him and Tony's people said no.....and I agree with them....Mosley's people never gave Tony the time of day in the past...as neither did any of GBP...Why should he split fair?.....He is the champ and he is the #1 man in the division.....No one ever offered an even split with him in the past.....
He will beat Shane like a drum....I am a Mosley fan but Tony is just on fire right now....
He's durable enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
And Mosely will really want it.
I'm agreeing with you Scrap.
A lot of this fight boils down to how much Mosley has left in the tank, and how well he can stay at range. No matter what, I bet this will be one hell of a fight!
Marg has his hands full, no doubt. You can never count Mosley out. I, for one, thought Mosley could have dispatched of Cotto around the 9th round if he didn't rush in and take those bombs.
I also think that Mosley found well against a tougher, eager, well conditioned, Mayorga. I don't think Mosley was being spoon-fed by any means.
I hope Mosley works that body early so he can win some late rounds. I don't see Marg ever getting hurt, but possibly being reduced to the speed of snail, from lots o punches.
'Mosley UD10 8-4 rds
damn it :mad: as much as i want this fight to happen i wanted my boy Cotto to fight Margo again mid next year and try to take the Tornado out of the top spot himself. i hope Tony can beat Shane but i dont think he will. i know you cant compare fights but i see it this way. Mosley-Cotto was a very close fight. and i think Cotto was easily beating Tony until ofcourse Tony shfted gears. what im trying to say is that Mosely has a better chin and could probably fight all the way to the 12th without being exhausted like Miguel. and if that happens why wouldnt Mosely outbox Tony just like Cotto did but for the whole fight? unless Tony could break Mosely down (will be very hard to do) i see Mosely winning a UD.
Yes, I also think that Shane is stronger than Cotto and will not be bullied by Tony. He has a great chin and Good stamina! Remember guys Cotto beat Shane by out boxing not out slugging him I really do not thing Margarito can out box Shane.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_tha_man
Glad Margarito got the better cut, it should always go to the recognised champ (not necesarily alphabet), unless in exceptional circumstances in terms of fan pulling power.
I usually cover ny bets when predicting a fight with a but...
In this one i'm going for Marg 100%. He will wear shane down, Shane was real,real tired against Cotto but got a couple rounds rest. I'll be gutted to see Shane stopped as it would never happen in his prime and would like him to finish his career without a TKO loss.
This is a total trick bag fight like the Williams contest. I take my hat off from Tony and rebuke my criticism when he was vasolating about this fight.
He could justifiably have taken an easier fight and deservedly so after the world war he endured with Cotto but he chose to take the toughest fight out there and that was Mosely.. I just hope the money is good for the risk, I know he will fight Cotto regardless of win or loss... Kinda like Judah vs Mayweather(even though Judah loss to Baldomir) I would just hope there is no shine off of this rematch with a Margo loss to Shane
Make no mistake about it,this should be a hell of a fight.But ultiamatly I think Mosleys machismo and willingness to stand flat footed as of late will come with a heavy price,ecspecially late.He stood in with Mayorga,loaded up and was repetative.Tony will get him on his heels I believe and his agility of foot is not as it once was.Both run the risk of breaking hands on the others head ;D.Big props to both,guaranteed action fight.Let Mayweather ponder his ring life and Oscar go to the circus with mighty-mini Pac....These are the Welter to be watched and praised today.
Well say what you want about Mayorga but that was at 154 a weight Mosley aint the best at and Margrito does not his as hard either so depends if he can force his will on Mosley because if he can push him back he while be in big trouble and out pointed if he can not make Mosley back off he while be in for a long night with old Mosely. I think Mosley can win this fight and you would have to up is status if at 37 he beat the best welter out there at the moment it would be somthng dont you think. As for Oscar Dela Hoya he is still very capable and i wait till his next fight because i sure he while win this one with not to much trouble been fan of both Oscar and Holyfeild for years but no matter what they chose to do i while still root for them because that what a fan does stick with fighter even if some times you really dont agree with what they do.
The Tornados will come in and lay waste to SSM. No one is indestructible, and TOny may be hurt by a stronger Mosley but he too has fallen to oppisition he has stood in front of (Forrest) so he may want to outslick Tony too the way Cotto tried.
Forrest was a better boxer then Margrito was and they should not be compared i think Mosley can stand his ground he has the chin and punch resistance for it think people want to think Margrito is indestructable because of Cotto and maybe even Cintron but there differents between them and say a Mosley or a Oscar Dela Hoya is that they got durbilty something Margrito does not do well with say Clotty and Williams come to mind if Mosley moves and attacks the body he has a great chance to win and while were are on the subject Oscar Dela Hoya also have a great chance with Margrito he is better version of Cotto because Oscar Dela hoya is faster better foot work punchs harder and has a better chin.
No way friend.Are we to judge Oscar as of late?Look,the man is on the other side of it.I can not see him standing with Margarito and he is not faster consistently of hand right now than Cotto.I don't think Oscar wanted any part of Margarito but rest assured that if Cotto would have won....that fight would have happened.Oscar is cashing out now in Manny farce...he knows the deal!Call it risk/reward ratio but I call it Margarito takes Oscar in a grueling fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
And how does Tony not do Durability well??When have you seen him fade down the stretch as opposed to getting stronger and coming on.
Mosley has a chance.But I do not think it is in his mindset to to back off and totally box it out now He wants to fight in there when he is hit.And I'm not even sure it is still his 'option' to be on the quick foot all night ?To win,he will have to step inside, and hurt Tony,head/body....rinse-repeat.Lesson learned from Cotto fight Imo.
IF they do fight what weight you think it is going to be at just to ask you for me if Oscar does face Margrito it while be at 154 and i can see Oscar doing well form what i have seen form both at the weight wait and see tell you it while be at the weight 154 and Margrito i think while lose to Oscar and how is Cotto faster then Oscar is are you for real dude there is no way he is faster form what i have seen and Oscar more durable as well i find it hard for Margrito to break Oscar but thats just me have wait and see what happens but i have a feeling that both Mosley and Oscar have more to give us before the call it a day and lets hope i am right be good fights.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsNo way friend.Are we to judge Oscar as of late?Look,the man is on the other side of it.I can not see him standing with Margarito and he is not faster consistently of hand right now than Cotto.I don't think Oscar wanted any part of Margarito but rest assured that if Cotto would have won....that fight would have happened.Oscar is cashing out now in Manny farce...he knows the deal!Call it risk/reward ratio but I call it Margarito takes Oscar in a grueling fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
And how does Tony not do Durability well??When have you seen him fade down the stretch as opposed to getting stronger and coming on.
Mosley has a chance.But I do not think it is in his mindset to to back off and totally box it out now He wants to fight in there when he is hit.And I'm not even sure it is still his 'option' to be on the quick foot all night ?To win,he will have to step inside, and hurt Tony,head/body....rinse-repeat.Lesson learned from Cotto fight Imo.
Are you kidding me, I don't think Oscar is any indication of what would happen with Margarito, but he is considerably faster than Cotto, he is on a totally different level in handspeed and especially in foot speed. What Margarito against Santos, he doesn't deal with body shots well, the most obvious situation I've seen him floored is by a body shot. Margarito has a great chin nobody is denying that, but Mosley minus one moment is completely indestructible, he took the same shots from Cotto that Margarito did, and took them just as well. My question is when have you seen Margarito in against a guy like Winky WRight or Vernon Forest? I say they both badly outbox Margarito. Obviously I think if Mosley tries to outfight Margarito which is likely to happen he will lose, but if he uses a modicum of footwork, I think Antonio will have big problems. Cotto can't move well, when he use moves around the ring he doesn't move fluidly, but as some have noticed Margarito follows you, he doesn't cut off the ring at all. If he can consistently have Mosley against the ropes then he wins a UD, but if Mosley uses good lateral movement, comes in quick gets off a combinations, and then gets out, I think Shane wins.
You can't compare what happened against Shane when he fought Cotto, Wright, Forrest because they are all technically vastly superior to Margarito. Cotto is probably the least technically skilled out of the three and you all saw what he did to Margarito for six rounds, but even he won a close fihgt with Mosley, where Mosley's will was driving Cotto back by the end of it. Forrest and Winky beat a younger Mosley much easier. If Mosley instead of trying to beat Margarito up decides to throw a lot of punches ala Joe Calzaghe, I think Antonio will be fucked, otherwise Mosley gets badly dominated, his defense is his speed and reflexes and its hard to use those off the ropes.
Think if Mosley goes to the body he while have success we all know he can throw good body shots and he not as fast but still has speed. As for the Oscar thing i think people see Margrito breacking him down but Oscar Dela Hoya even at this stage has the footwork, Power, Chin and boxing ability to take Margrito to school but thats just my thoughts o well.
Moslet isnt' as fast? I thought the same, but watch him against Collazo. Him, Oscar De La Hoya, haven't so much lost speed as much as they can't throw as often with that speed. I agree Oscar would take both Margarito and Mosley to school. Mainly because Oscar is a lot bigger than Mosley, and he has that great jab, he can handle the size of Margarito a lot better, but Oscar had Margarito as sparring partner for years, and I think he knows its not a challenge, and thats why he hasn't faced Margarito, there is no point. Say what you will about Oscar only wanting money, but I say that is a farse. He has always wanted the hardest fight Mayweather, Hopkins, Trinidad, Mosley, Quartey, Vargas, even Pacquiao presents certain problems he hasn't delt with. I think he considers Margarito as a been there, done that.