Who is (or was) your favorite "stalk, stun and close" type of guy?

Mine currently is Margo becuse he can walk through punches and still do the stalk as he gets stronger and stronger. My past favorites were Sugar Ray Leonard and K. Galaxy One they had you hurt, it was like being in the Serengeti National Park; the kill was coming. :foruml10gc5:

Hopkins in his prime,would find you no matter where you were in the ring.
Kirkland against Vera,the best thing he did all night other then hit hard,was cut down the ring,no matter where Vera tried to run to,Kirkland was waiting for him when he got there

Azumah Nelson.Subtle but so very calculating. Good topic

Another good stalker was Holmes,he'd just follow that relentless jab of his,and you,all over the ring.
His fights might not have been exciting but you have to admit they were efficient

Mine was earnie shavers because he just followed them around the ring until they tired then bang one big shot game over very exciting stuff

Mike Tyson. When he caught up to you there was nowhere he wouldn't hurt if he laid a glove on it.

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Mike Tyson. When he caught up to you there was nowhere he wouldn't hurt if he laid a glove on it.

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I dont see Tyson that way,I see him as a swarmer, he was like a wave crashing over your head,but he wasnt a hunter tracking you down.

I guess I'm thinking of what he did against Holmes. That was stalking because Holmes did find a home with his jab before Mike chopped his legs off.

J.C Chavez.....he would just torture guys in the body from start to finish

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I guess I'm thinking of what he did against Holmes. That was stalking because Holmes did find a home with his jab before Mike chopped his legs off.

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That was more the exception then the rule,against an older but clearly spent Holmes,he was smart enough to pick his spots,but normally he just rolled right over you

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J.C Chavez.....he would just torture guys in the body from start to finish

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Yes, he was relentless as hell and once he had you hurt, he was on you like a wolf on a lamb. :foruml10gc5:

Arguello also had this knack.

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Azumah Nelson.Subtle but so very calculating. Good topic

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Good call Bro !!! & add to that Don Curry ... until he was found out, but as a fan & at his peak Leonard was awesome to watch when getting some one on the go....

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Azumah Nelson.Subtle but so very calculating. Good topic

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Good call Bro !!! & add to that Don Curry ... until he was found out, but as a fan & at his peak Leonard was awesome to watch when getting some one on the go....

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Leonard was the ultimate closer and when he did his kill, he no longer had a baby face. He was stone cold ruthless in there. He was my all-time favorite.

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Azumah Nelson.Subtle but so very calculating. Good topic

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Good call Bro !!! & add to that Don Curry ... until he was found out, but as a fan & at his peak Leonard was awesome to watch when getting some one on the go....

:badass::badass::badass:

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Leonard was the ultimate closer and when he did his kill, he no longer had a baby face. He was stone cold ruthless in there. He was my all-time favorite.

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I remember him taking out our own Dave Boy Green with as clinical a ko combo as Ive ever seen, after he had softened him up..

:badass::badass::badass:

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Another good stalker was Holmes,he'd just follow that relentless jab of his,and you,all over the ring.
His fights might not have been exciting but you have to admit they were efficient

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Well said bud & never more evident than when he broke Gerry Cooney up systematically .... Holmes was up there with the best at doing the stalk & break ya kinda thing...

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Mike McCallum
Marco Antonio Barrera
Marvin Hagler

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Good call Bro !!! & add to that Don Curry ... until he was found out, but as a fan & at his peak Leonard was awesome to watch when getting some one on the go....

:badass::badass::badass:

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Leonard was the ultimate closer and when he did his kill, he no longer had a baby face. He was stone cold ruthless in there. He was my all-time favorite.

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I remember him taking out our own Dave Boy Green with as clinical a ko combo as Ive ever seen, after he had softened him up..

:badass::badass::badass:

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Did the same with Bruce Finch and Donny LaLonde. Scary KOs. He was a killer in there with the power he could generate with his uncommon hand speed.

Stalking? I'd go with Joe Frazier, maybe Qawi second. Always moving forward and that head movement.

Sugar Ray Leonard was a great closer people forgot how much power that guy had at welterweight he could really bang that and his speed made him a guy that was closes thing to a perfect fighter he had it all and could do it all he could box, brawl he had the strengh, speed, reflexs, chin and was very mentally tough he earned the right to have the name suger and not to many people can say that they deserved that name he could and it while be a while till there is a fighter that was like him maybe never.

Hmmm... I thought about this for a while, and for some reason the name Tony Ayala Jr kept coming to mind, particularly the stalking, stunning, and closing part. He was badass. Unfortunately he was also badass outside of the ring.

I liked all the SRL mentions. Another thing about him was, he could take a punch. You hurt the man, and he would come back strong.

I wouldn't class SRL as a stalker who come forward he was mostly a boxer who boxed on the backfoot. He only become the stalker against Thomas Hearns, because he had too because he was getting outboxed. The fighters i mentioned were always coming forward and stalking while picking there shots beautifully. The term "Stalker" does not apply to SRL at all.

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I wouldn't class SRL as a stalker who come forward he was mostly a boxer who boxed on the backfoot. He only become the stalker against Thomas Hearns, because he had too because he was getting outboxed. The fighters i mentioned were always coming forward and stalking while picking there shots beautifully. The term "Stalker" does not apply to SRL at all.

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I thought he had to stalk Hearns when Hearns got up on his bycicle after being stunned by Leonard mid fight. Stalked him the rest of the fight, even though Hearns was probably out boxing him. Moved in and finished when he had to. Leonard could really raise his game when he needed to.

But right, yeah, that wasn't his main style, only when he had to or when his opponent was running, then he could stalk with the best of them.

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I wouldn't class SRL as a stalker who come forward he was mostly a boxer who boxed on the backfoot. He only become the stalker against Thomas Hearns, because he had too because he was getting outboxed. The fighters i mentioned were always coming forward and stalking while picking there shots beautifully. The term "Stalker" does not apply to SRL at all.

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I thought he had to stalk Hearns when Hearns got up on his bycicle after being stunned by Leonard mid fight. Stalked him the rest of the fight, even though Hearns was probably out boxing him. Moved in and finished when he had to. Leonard could really raise his game when he needed to.

But right, yeah, that wasn't his main style, only when he had to or when his opponent was running, then he could stalk with the best of them.

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Thats exactly what i said in my previous post, SRL had to stalk Thomas Hearns because he had to. Because he was losing, and even in the two fights with Thomas Hearns when he had to stalk. He didn't constantly do it, he boxed atleast 50 percent in both fights.

Like i said i really don't know what SRL has to do with this thread personally, just because he was a great fighter doesn't mean he was one of the best stalking/come forward fights. He only stalked when he had to in the 2 fights with Thomas Hearns, and like i said earlier that wasn't his normal style he was forced to fight that way. 90 percent of the time he boxed using his footwork.

the fighters i chose like Marvin Hagler, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mike McCallum, are perfect candidates for this thread. They constantly stalked there opponents picking there shots, and they were like hunters waiting to pounce on there prey, when they made one mistake.

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I wouldn't class SRL as a stalker who come forward he was mostly a boxer who boxed on the backfoot. He only become the stalker against Thomas Hearns, because he had too because he was getting outboxed. The fighters i mentioned were always coming forward and stalking while picking there shots beautifully. The term "Stalker" does not apply to SRL at all.

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I thought he had to stalk Hearns when Hearns got up on his bycicle after being stunned by Leonard mid fight. Stalked him the rest of the fight, even though Hearns was probably out boxing him. Moved in and finished when he had to. Leonard could really raise his game when he needed to.

But right, yeah, that wasn't his main style, only when he had to or when his opponent was running, then he could stalk with the best of them.

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Thats exactly what i said in my previous post, SRL had to stalk Thomas Hearns because he had to. Because he was losing, and even in both fights with Thomas Hearns when he had to stalk. He didn't constantly do it, he boxed atleast 50 percent in both fights.

Like i said i really don't know what SRL has to do with this thread personally, just because he was a great fighter doesn't mean he was on the best stalking/come forward fights.

90 percent of the time he boxed using his footwork, the fights i chose like Marvin Hagler, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mike McCallum, are perfect candidates for this thread.

They constantly stalked there opponents picking there shots, and they were like hunters waiting to pounce on there opponents, when they made one mistake.

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OK, well I don't mean to split hairs, but I thought you said he stalked Hearns because Hearns was outboxing him. I said he stalked Hearns because Hearns went on his bicycle after being hurt, and Hearns still outboxed him while he was being stalked, for most of the whole 2nd half of the fight. Until Leonard moved in for the kill. Bit of a difference. Now if you are saying that's not how the fight went, then i'll have to go back and take a 2nd look.

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I thought he had to stalk Hearns when Hearns got up on his bycicle after being stunned by Leonard mid fight. Stalked him the rest of the fight, even though Hearns was probably out boxing him. Moved in and finished when he had to. Leonard could really raise his game when he needed to.

But right, yeah, that wasn't his main style, only when he had to or when his opponent was running, then he could stalk with the best of them.

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Thats exactly what i said in my previous post, SRL had to stalk Thomas Hearns because he had to. Because he was losing, and even in both fights with Thomas Hearns when he had to stalk. He didn't constantly do it, he boxed atleast 50 percent in both fights.

Like i said i really don't know what SRL has to do with this thread personally, just because he was a great fighter doesn't mean he was on the best stalking/come forward fights.

90 percent of the time he boxed using his footwork, the fights i chose like Marvin Hagler, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mike McCallum, are perfect candidates for this thread.

They constantly stalked there opponents picking there shots, and they were like hunters waiting to pounce on there opponents, when they made one mistake.

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OK, well I don't mean to split hairs, but I thought you said he stalked Hearns because Hearns was outboxing him. I said he stalked Hearns because Hearns went on his bicycle after being hurt, and Hearns still outboxed him while he was being stalked, for most of the whole 2nd half of the fight. Until Leonard moved in for the kill. Bit of a difference. Now if you are saying that's not how the fight went, then i'll have to go back and take a 2nd look.

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I haven't seen the fight in awhile but from what i remember, Thomas Hearns outboxed SRL from long range as SRL struggled to get inside while using movement in the first 4 rounds. Then SRL decided to stay flat footed and punch and he did have Thomas Hearns in trouble in the 5th round if i remember rightly.

I don't think Thomas Hearns really changed his tactics after being hurt, he was doing what he was from round 1 and that was using his superior reach. To outbox SRL from the outside, now this is the point in the fight im struggling to remember.

Im pretty sure SRL become the stalker after that and won a few rounds, then Thomas Hearns seemed to adjust to the style. And i believe SRL went back to boxing for another round or 2, then when Angel Dundee gave SRL his famous speech "Your blowing it son".

SRL went out there like a man possessed and hurt Thomas Hearns badly in the 13th, then stopped him in the 14th round with a barrage of punches.

The 2nd fight was pretty similar to the first first except for the knockdowns, with SRL using 50 percent boxing/stalking. But everytime he boxed he clearly got dominated, i don't know why he just didn't stick with stalking in the 2nd fight.

Because he was clearly having his best moments when he stalked. And he almost had Thomas Hearns out of there in the 5th and 12th rounds.

Lot of you muthafukkas don't know or don't remember Orzubek Nazarov. He was a great stalker.

Fernando Montiel is turning into a very good stalker.

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Lot of you muthafukkas don't know or don't remember Orzubek Nazarov. He was a great stalker.

Fernando Montiel is turning into a very good stalker.

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Montiel...Nice! Would have loved Mosley Vs. Gussie at Light.

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Stalking? I'd go with Joe Frazier, maybe Qawi second. Always moving forward and that head movement.

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FORGOT ABOUT Qawi. GOOD ONE!

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I wouldn't class SRL as a stalker who come forward he was mostly a boxer who boxed on the backfoot. He only become the stalker against Thomas Hearns, because he had too because he was getting outboxed. The fighters i mentioned were always coming forward and stalking while picking there shots beautifully. The term "Stalker" does not apply to SRL at all.

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I thought he had to stalk Hearns when Hearns got up on his bycicle after being stunned by Leonard mid fight. Stalked him the rest of the fight, even though Hearns was probably out boxing him. Moved in and finished when he had to. Leonard could really raise his game when he needed to.

But right, yeah, that wasn't his main style, only when he had to or when his opponent was running, then he could stalk with the best of them.

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Thats exactly what i said in my previous post, SRL had to stalk Thomas Hearns because he had to. Because he was losing, and even in the two fights with Thomas Hearns when he had to stalk. He didn't constantly do it, he boxed atleast 50 percent in both fights.

Like i said i really don't know what SRL has to do with this thread personally, just because he was a great fighter doesn't mean he was one of the best stalking/come forward fights. He only stalked when he had to in the 2 fights with Thomas Hearns, and like i said earlier that wasn't his normal style he was forced to fight that way. 90 percent of the time he boxed using his footwork.

the fighters i chose like Marvin Hagler, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mike McCallum, are perfect candidates for this thread. They constantly stalked there opponents picking there shots, and they were like hunters waiting to pounce on there prey, when they made one mistake.

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Maybe closer would be a better way to say it. But he stalked Finch and LaLonde both.

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Originally Posted by CGM

Hmmm... I thought about this for a while, and for some reason the name Tony Ayala Jr kept coming to mind, particularly the stalking, stunning, and closing part. He was badass. Unfortunately he was also badass outside of the ring.

I liked all the SRL mentions. Another thing about him was, he could take a punch. You hurt the man, and he would come back strong.

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Tony Ayala Jr. Yep. He was some stalker and closer. He also was a lot like Tyson in that he would attempt to overwhelm (i.e., mug) his opponent early on. Mean one, Tony. I remember when he iced Epps and then spit on him.

Points taken on SRL. He was a closer more than a stalker. Here is 8 minutes of stun and klill. The stalk part was not filmed but it led to the other parts. Great and savage endings. http://video.google.com/videosearch?rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7WZPA&q=Khaosai++Galaxy&um=1& sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#

See thats how I took the original intent of the thread,a guy who would just methodically hunt you down in the ring,not just blow your doors down. Thats why I went Hopkins,sooner or later he was going to hunt you down in there,you can run,but you cant hide.
Tyson in his prime just annihilated guys,Leanord just sniped them apart,B-hop just stalks them methodically

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Mine currently is Margo becuse he can walk through punches and still do the stalk as he gets stronger and stronger. My past favorites were Sugar Ray Leonard and K. Galaxy One they had you hurt, it was like being in the Serengeti National Park; the kill was coming. :foruml10gc5:

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I know he doesn't hurt you, but I love how Winky Wright would walk guys down behind that jab. He did it to Vargas, he did it to Trinidad, Hopkins, Quartey, Taylor, Mosley, etc, etc. all without being hit hardly at all.

Arce quickly comes to mind.
Vic is also good at it.
Soto does an outstanding job.

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See thats how I took the original intent of the thread,a guy who would just methodically hunt you down in the ring,not just blow your doors down. Thats why I went Hopkins,sooner or later he was going to hunt you down in there,you can run,but you cant hide.
Tyson in his prime just annihilated guys,Leanord just sniped them apart,B-hop just stalks them methodically

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Yes. Points taken. One of my favorites was Carlos “Escopeta” Monzon who seemed to push his punches and seemed stiff as he kept on coming, but ”seem” is one thing and “reality” is quite another. Once he commenced the stalk, few escaped. As writer Mike Casey put it, “Not to put too fine a point on it, there were times when Carlos Monzon looked downright ordinary when viewed through a strictly technical eye. Perhaps that is what threw so many people in the early days and what continues to throw the new generation"

Here is another I wrote about some time ago: With a backdrop of "Puerto Rico! Puerto Rico!" rocking the arenas in which he did (and does) his work, Miguel Cotto tracked and destroyed such tough fighters as Zab Judah, Carlos Quintana, Kelson Pinto, Gianluca Branco (stopped for the first time in his career), Mohamad Abdulaev, Randall Bailey and Cesar Bazan. But then he met Margarito who has refined and perhaps redefined the technique

Salvadore Sanchez when he smelled blood..

Aaron Pryor....

Roberto Duran...

Margorito is my favorite. I love this monster’s style of starting slow but using a high punch volume and incoming pressure to wear out his opponents setting them up for brutal closure. But there are three addition factors that accentuate his particular brand of seek and destroy. First, his granite-like chin allows him to keep the pressure on; secondly, his stamina is great and he gets stronger as the fight progresses; and thirdly (and most startling), is his unique way of virtually jogging after his tiring foes, something guaranteed to deplete anyone’s spirit. Michael Katsidis is another who does this, but he doesn’t have the chin to compliment it.

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See thats how I took the original intent of the thread,a guy who would just methodically hunt you down in the ring,not just blow your doors down. Thats why I went Hopkins,sooner or later he was going to hunt you down in there,you can run,but you cant hide.
Tyson in his prime just annihilated guys,Leanord just sniped them apart,B-hop just stalks them methodically

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Yes. Points taken. One of my favorites was Carlos “Escopeta” Monzon who seemed to push his punches and seemed stiff as he kept on coming, but ”seem” is one thing and “reality” is quite another. Once he commenced the stalk, few escaped. As writer Mike Casey put it, “Not to put too fine a point on it, there were times when Carlos Monzon looked downright ordinary when viewed through a strictly technical eye. Perhaps that is what threw so many people in the early days and what continues to throw the new generation"

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Again why I went with Hopkins,thats why he's so good,he doesnt have the biggest or fastest punch on earth, but he cuts the ring off and methodically beats the hell out of you. And heaven forbid you see him smile,because if he's smiling,he knows he has you.