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Paulie to Retire?????
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PAUL MALIGNAGGI TO RETIRE FROM BOXING?
By G. Leon
GL: Can you give us some thoughts on your performance with Ricky Hatton and tell us what went wrong?
"I'm not a guy who likes to make a lot of excuses and I want to give Ricky a lot of credit. He did a good job on Saturday night and he won the fight. A lot of me thinks I just couldn't get off. People want to say it's because Ricky gave me new looks. At the end of the day it wasn't a different Ricky Hatton, I think after the last surgery I haven't gotten over it physchologically and that's why I wasn't throwing my hands. I think it's something that I'm going to have to get over if I plan to continue fighting."
GL: Does this mean there was no problem with your right hand, which for whatever the reason you weren't throwing at all?
Paul Malignaggi: "There was no problem with the right hand, but I fought like there was. Obviously this is a bad physchological problem here and it surfaced during the biggest fight of my career. A lot of it could have to do with the fact that I broke it back in May and this was my first fight since that particular fight, but the point is, I had a great camp. With big gloves on, I have no problem throwing my right hand. With the little gloves on, the doubts start to surface in my head and I don't expect anybody to understand it. I don't want anybody to feel bad for me, I ain't asking nobody to feel bad for me, I just know how I feel after having four surgeries on the same limb like I have. I didn't think this would happen, but it did."
GL: Your initial reaction to the stoppage was obvious after watching the fight on television. Has your position changed at all?
PM: "Not at all. The fight was obviously wasn't going my way. I wasn't getting off and I understand that I was not going to win the fight. But at the end of the day I'm better than getting stopped. You don't stop a Paulie Malignaggi fight unless it's being stopped by the referee or the doctor or if I'm knocked out cold. There's just no need to stop the fight, I'm better than getting stopped. I understand this was the worst performance of my career, and I believe a lot of it has to do with the physchological issues of me not throwing my hand, but still, you don't stop the fight."
GL: Are you and Buddy on the same page again?
PM: "Buddy's whole thing was he wanted me to fight another day, but there was really no difference from round 7 to round 11. If they were going to stop the fight they might as well have stopped it in the fifth round, because it was the same thing going on every round. In round eleven you might as well let me finish the fight. Ricky is not a big puncher and he wasn't punching as hard later in the fight as he was earlier and he's not a big puncher to begin with. I was never in any danger. I've had fights where I've won and had headaches, this one I had no headache, my face is almost all cleared up already and I didn't take a lot of damage. There was not a lot of action in the fight and I fougt a terrible fight. I didn't fight the fight I wanted to fight, but there was no need to stop the fight."
GL: Why were you holding so much?
PM: "I just couldn't get off man, I couldn't get off. I figured, if I can't get off I might as well have stayed on the inside. I held more than Ricky did and it's F****** shameful for me to even say that. One thing I did find out in the fight is that I'm physically stronger than Ricky, which would have really been a pleasant surprise had I been able to be sharp on the outside like I wanted to be."
GL: So comparing Hatton and Cotto, Cotto was a diferent animal in terms of strength?
PM: "Yeah. But I don't want to knock Hatton because he did his job and he's a great guy with a bunch of great people of him. He did a fantastic job on Saturday night, but Miguel Cotto was the better fighter. I left the ring with Miguel Cotto thinking, damn even if I was at my best it would be a tough fight to beat this guy. With Ricky Hatton I didn't feel that way, I feel like I cheated myself out of performing my best and it's probably something I'm going to be kicking myself in the ass over for the rest of my life."
GL: Does Paulie Malignaggi ever see another fight of this magnitude with these physchological issues?
PM: "There's no reason for me to hold the right hand back, but how many fighters do you really know who got this far after four surgeries? I have to sit back and after the Holiday's figure out what I want to do. Not only might not I see a fight of this magnitude, I might never step into a boxing ring again. If I don't feel like I can get over this hump, there's no need for me to fight anymore."
GL: Does it bother you that the commentators made you look as more of a manufactured product than a champion worthy of million dollar payday?
PM: "Yeah. I haven't watched the broadcast yet, but I've been hearing all about it. What do you expect though? Larry Merchant has never been punched in his face though, so I don't expect somebody like Larry Merchant to understand the issues a fighter can have after four surgeries on the same hand, I really don't. The guy is basically a geek, so there's no way for him to understand."
GL: Do you feel like you have more to give the sport?
PM: "I don't know. Like I said, that's something that I'm going to have to take the Holiday's to decide. At this point in time my legacy is I lost the two biggest fights of my career and I'm not sure I'll be able to get to another fight like that, so we'll wait and see what happens. I'm not busy anymore, I doubt myself before I throw combinations and these issues have gotten worse with each surgery."
GL: Did Hatton hurt you in the second round?
PM: "The second round was the only time he hurt me. I recovered quickly, but I was hurt. I won't deny it."
GL: Closing thoughts?
PM: "I want to thank Boxingtalk for the interview. I'm not sure what's going to happen with the rest of my career, if there is a rest of my career."
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Re: Paulie to Retire?????
No matter what Paulie says he is discrediting Ricky here he got his ass whooped he just needs to face it and move on.
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The comments he said about Larry Merchant were comical "geek" :lolhaha:
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Dragos Bitch
No matter what Paulie says he is discrediting Ricky here he got his ass whooped he just needs to face it and move on.
I agree.
Even now after getting badly beaten over 10 rounds and after all the shit he and his team said he wont give 100% credit to Hatton.
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I hope he does retire. There is nothing more annoying then a fighter with a huge mouth and a very small punch.
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You have to laugh at him thinking he's stronger than Hatton. He couldn't get off because Hatton closed the distance too quickly. Simple really. Paulie was hesitant (maybe because of his hand/maybe because after the 2nd he was wary of Hatton's power) and you cannot afford to be hesitant against Hatton....especially if you have no inside game.
I actually don't mind listening to Paulie. He comes across as quite an honest guy. He admits when he's hurt, gives credit to his opponent etc...
He acts like a bit of a toolbox at times but so do a lot of fighters.
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Dont knock the guy. He just didnt have the tools to compete and he's on the rebound from it all. I like Paulie, he runs his mouth a little too much but he seems cool. I hope he can come back and pick up a belt now that Ricky seems to be looking for the money fights.
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If he does retire then you'll still be able watch him............in his prono movie that is!!!:oTrue,i read in a paper recently that he plans to go into the Porn industry!!!:-X
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yvonne
If he does retire then you'll still be able watch him............in his prono movie that is!!!:oTrue,i read in a paper recently that he plans to go into the Porn industry!!!:-X
What paper was that then? :rolleyes:;D
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What I dont get,is if it was "only psychological" why was he able to throw the right in the first, and then hid it for the rest of the fight?
Unless McGirt reminded him about it in his corner between rounds
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yvonne
If he does retire then you'll still be able watch him............in his prono movie that is!!!:oTrue,i read in a paper recently that he plans to go into the Porn industry!!!:-X
is this true?? where did you hear this??
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I think Paulie was trying to be as honest as he could be here. I understand the argument that Hatton bounced him around the ring for 10 rounds, but he is trying to say Cotto was the better fighter. If that's his opinion so be it. Paulie performed better against Cotto true, but he also put a lot more effort forth. I don't think that takes anything away from Hatton though. Hatton was amazing in there, still a beast, but a more patient beast, and Paulie acknowledged that. He even admitted Hatton hurt him, how often do you hear a fighter admit that? And who can better judge the abilities of two different fighters than one that's been in with both.
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killersheep
I think Paulie was trying to be as honest as he could be here. I understand the argument that Hatton bounced him around the ring for 10 rounds, but he is trying to say Cotto was the better fighter. If that's his opinion so be it. Paulie performed better against Cotto true, but he also put a lot more effort forth. I don't think that takes anything away from Hatton though. Hatton was amazing in there, still a beast, but a more patient beast, and Paulie acknowledged that. He even admitted Hatton hurt him, how often do you hear a fighter admit that? And who can better judge the abilities of two different fighters than one that's been in with both.
I'm pretty sure lots of fighters don't regard the guy that thrashed them as the best they've faced, simply because, i think, they believe they underperformed instead of getting outclassed.
Like tons of fighters who have been knocked out say it WASN'T the hardest they've been hit.
Paulie had success against Cotto.. so understandably would class his OWN performance as better.. and inturn naturally think Cotto was a better fighter than Hatton.
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kingfrnk
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yvonne
If he does retire then you'll still be able watch him............in his prono movie that is!!!:oTrue,i read in a paper recently that he plans to go into the Porn industry!!!:-X
is this true?? where did you hear this??
Yeah it's true, he's quoted as saying he could be one. ;D
I read it in The Sun last week, link: I'm a natural porn killer | The Sun |Sport|Boxing
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kingfrnk
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Originally Posted by
yvonne
If he does retire then you'll still be able watch him............in his prono movie that is!!!:oTrue,i read in a paper recently that he plans to go into the Porn industry!!!:-X
is this true?? where did you hear this??
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miles
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Originally Posted by
yvonne
If he does retire then you'll still be able watch him............in his prono movie that is!!!:oTrue,i read in a paper recently that he plans to go into the Porn industry!!!:-X
What paper was that then? :rolleyes:;D
There were Paulie's words and he said he was being deadly serious about it.He noted that he would love to star in a porno!Erm it was in the Sun paper,Mirror paper and the Daily Star!!:cool:Mad!
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Conrad
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kingfrnk
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Originally Posted by
yvonne
If he does retire then you'll still be able watch him............in his prono movie that is!!!:oTrue,i read in a paper recently that he plans to go into the Porn industry!!!:-X
is this true?? where did you hear this??
Yeah it's true, he's quoted as saying he could be one. ;D
I read it in The Sun last week, link:
I'm a natural porn killer | The Sun |Sport|Boxing
dont nobody wants to see powderpuff in a porno :-X
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kingfrnk
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Conrad
dont nobody wants to see powderpuff in a porno :-X
Lets hope that Paulie does'nt have hair extensions during his porno because it might get in the way of things:-X:o;)
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killersheep
I think Paulie was trying to be as honest as he could be here. I understand the argument that Hatton bounced him around the ring for 10 rounds, but he is trying to say Cotto was the better fighter. If that's his opinion so be it. Paulie performed better against Cotto true, but he also put a lot more effort forth. I don't think that takes anything away from Hatton though. Hatton was amazing in there, still a beast, but a more patient beast, and Paulie acknowledged that. He even admitted Hatton hurt him, how often do you hear a fighter admit that? And who can better judge the abilities of two different fighters than one that's been in with both.
I'm pretty sure lots of fighters don't regard the guy that thrashed them as the best they've faced, simply because, i think, they believe they underperformed instead of getting outclassed.
Like tons of fighters who have been knocked out say it WASN'T the hardest they've been hit.
Paulie had success against Cotto.. so understandably would class his OWN performance as better.. and inturn naturally think Cotto was a better fighter than Hatton.
Following that vein of thought, would you say Paulie did perform as well as he could have against Hatton? I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that would say Malignaggi gave it his all in that fight. And furthermore after he received a "thrashing" from Cotto do you remember what he said? "Miguel hits hard man" and in this interview he stated he would have trouble with Cotto even on his best night. Regardless of your opinion of how it went down. This seems to be an honest interpretation by Paulie to me.
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If his game plan is going to fall apart faster than a Chinese bicycle ever time he punches with his "weak" hand, then he should drop out of the game.
I wonder if you can develop brittle bone disease from constantly breaking your hand? I doubt it.
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Hey give Paulie one thing, at least hes honest with himself. He admits he fought terrible and that he held too much. Ever heard ruiz or hatton say that?
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Hey give Paulie one thing, at least hes honest with himself. He admits he fought terrible and that he held too much. Ever heard ruiz or hatton say that?
Ruiz doesn't count. Every time I think about him I think of 19 seconds and Tuaman.
Hatton is an honest guy. He may have had some stuff to say fro PBF fight, but it was legit, although I don't know if he would have won if the ref was less partisan. He is a tough fighter and a skilled boxer. I didn't see him acting like he never got shook up by Lazcano or Callazo.
Paulie will be back. He's too young to give up. I've said it once adn I'll say it again.. GET RID OF MCGIRT!
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Paullie is a good, honest kid and whether or not you agree with his assessment of Hatton it was his honest assessment, which is what you will always get from Paullie. Paullie was not trying to discredit Ricky he was just asked to be honest, if you get to meet Paullie you would see that for all of his talk he is a respectful kid. I called that Ricky would beat Paullie and I believe Ricky would always beat Paullie because of Ricky's constant aggressive pressure and speed. I will also say that there was certainly something wrong with Paullie in this fight and saw that he could not let his hands go at all, whether it is over training, a bad right hand, Ricky being that good or the psychological problems he spoke of, we will never really know...I believe this was and should be his last fight, he's got money, won some titles and had some fun, He doesn't need to fight as long as he has questions about his health rattling around in his head.
I thought he was to kind to Merchant...
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Paulie was being honest and is obviously disappointed in himself. He does end up down playing Hatton but do not think that is his intention. Credit him for that.
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killersheep
I think Paulie was trying to be as honest as he could be here. I understand the argument that Hatton bounced him around the ring for 10 rounds, but he is trying to say Cotto was the better fighter. If that's his opinion so be it. Paulie performed better against Cotto true, but he also put a lot more effort forth. I don't think that takes anything away from Hatton though. Hatton was amazing in there, still a beast, but a more patient beast, and Paulie acknowledged that. He even admitted Hatton hurt him, how often do you hear a fighter admit that? And who can better judge the abilities of two different fighters than one that's been in with both.
I'm pretty sure lots of fighters don't regard the guy that thrashed them as the best they've faced, simply because, i think, they believe they underperformed instead of getting outclassed.
Like tons of fighters who have been knocked out say it WASN'T the hardest they've been hit.
Paulie had success against Cotto.. so understandably would class his OWN performance as better.. and inturn naturally think Cotto was a better fighter than Hatton.
exactly
hatton was saying the very same things after the mayweather fight in that "he was surprised how light handed floyd was" and how "mayweather wasnt the hardest puncher he`s ever fought"
Its a boxers way of attempting to divert the attention back onto themselves by claiming in some way it was more due to them underperforming than being outclassed.
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hattonthehammer
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Fenster
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killersheep
I think Paulie was trying to be as honest as he could be here. I understand the argument that Hatton bounced him around the ring for 10 rounds, but he is trying to say Cotto was the better fighter. If that's his opinion so be it. Paulie performed better against Cotto true, but he also put a lot more effort forth. I don't think that takes anything away from Hatton though. Hatton was amazing in there, still a beast, but a more patient beast, and Paulie acknowledged that. He even admitted Hatton hurt him, how often do you hear a fighter admit that? And who can better judge the abilities of two different fighters than one that's been in with both.
I'm pretty sure lots of fighters don't regard the guy that thrashed them as the best they've faced, simply because, i think, they believe they underperformed instead of getting outclassed.
Like tons of fighters who have been knocked out say it WASN'T the hardest they've been hit.
Paulie had success against Cotto.. so understandably would class his OWN performance as better.. and inturn naturally think Cotto was a better fighter than Hatton.
exactly
hatton was saying the very same things after the mayweather fight in that "he was surprised how light handed floyd was" and how "mayweather wasnt the hardest puncher he`s ever fought"
Its a boxers way of attempting to divert the attention back onto themselves by claiming in some way it was more due to them underperforming than being outclassed.
Your statement in itself assumes that he performed well. Are you saying Paulie had a good performance?
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I thought that the retirement ceremonies had already happened....right about the 3 or 4 round ??
Really though,Paulie was dusted up.Sometimes all you have left is your pride and that is understandable but "Paulie does not get knocked out" and such.......hey Paulie,you got beat up and the fight (you) were stopped......get over your self and move on.
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If he does, it's a smart move. Take the money and run, because you simply don't have the power to become a Champion again IMO.
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killersheep
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hattonthehammer
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Fenster
I'm pretty sure lots of fighters don't regard the guy that thrashed them as the best they've faced, simply because, i think, they believe they underperformed instead of getting outclassed.
Like tons of fighters who have been knocked out say it WASN'T the hardest they've been hit.
Paulie had success against Cotto.. so understandably would class his OWN performance as better.. and inturn naturally think Cotto was a better fighter than Hatton.
exactly
hatton was saying the very same things after the mayweather fight in that "he was surprised how light handed floyd was" and how "mayweather wasnt the hardest puncher he`s ever fought"
Its a boxers way of attempting to divert the attention back onto themselves by claiming in some way it was more due to them underperforming than being outclassed.
Your statement in itself assumes that he performed well. Are you saying Paulie had a good performance?
Just reverting to the fact that fighters who get beat up do attempt to put it down as a bad nights work from them rather than claiming they gave it their very best but just werent good enough which is complete and utter defeatist
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killersheep
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Fenster
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killersheep
I think Paulie was trying to be as honest as he could be here. I understand the argument that Hatton bounced him around the ring for 10 rounds, but he is trying to say Cotto was the better fighter. If that's his opinion so be it. Paulie performed better against Cotto true, but he also put a lot more effort forth. I don't think that takes anything away from Hatton though. Hatton was amazing in there, still a beast, but a more patient beast, and Paulie acknowledged that. He even admitted Hatton hurt him, how often do you hear a fighter admit that? And who can better judge the abilities of two different fighters than one that's been in with both.
I'm pretty sure lots of fighters don't regard the guy that thrashed them as the best they've faced, simply because, i think, they believe they underperformed instead of getting outclassed.
Like tons of fighters who have been knocked out say it WASN'T the hardest they've been hit.
Paulie had success against Cotto.. so understandably would class his OWN performance as better.. and inturn naturally think Cotto was a better fighter than Hatton.
Following that vein of thought, would you say Paulie did perform as well as he could have against Hatton? I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that would say Malignaggi gave it his all in that fight. And furthermore after he received a "thrashing" from Cotto do you remember what he said? "Miguel hits hard man" and in this interview he stated he would have trouble with Cotto even on his best night. Regardless of your opinion of how it went down. This seems to be an honest interpretation by Paulie to me.
I agree. I don't doubt he is being honest. I'm just looking at it from a different perspective.
He's probably no different a fighter now, than he was for Cotto. Difference is - he was a big underdog in the Cotto fight. No-one really gave him much chance. And i think that includes Cotto. Not only was Cotto suffering from the weight but also was probably undermotivated, and therefore underperformed. So, Paulie's success was amplified. And naturally, left the fight with a far better reputation.
SO.. Paulie, Hatton and Cotto all entered their fights with a different mindset.
For instance - (as you point out) Paulie said after the fight "Miguel hits hard man." But he EXPECTED that going in. Everyone knows Cotto is a hurtful puncher. So the fact he took Cotto's punches is a victory for himself.
Whereas before the Hatton fight Paulie said "Ricky is not a big pucher." In just the 2nd round he gets badly rocked, which he admits, but afterwards still says "Ricky is not a big puncher," even though it was clear Ricky was hurting him. Obviously, the fact that Paulie was hurt by Ricky, when he didn't EXPECT to be, he sees as a failing. So he sees it as himself underperforming instead of Hatton being much BETTER than he expected.
It's a psychological thing.
And I'm even boring myself with this tosh now :beat:
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Fenster
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killersheep
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Fenster
I'm pretty sure lots of fighters don't regard the guy that thrashed them as the best they've faced, simply because, i think, they believe they underperformed instead of getting outclassed.
Like tons of fighters who have been knocked out say it WASN'T the hardest they've been hit.
Paulie had success against Cotto.. so understandably would class his OWN performance as better.. and inturn naturally think Cotto was a better fighter than Hatton.
Following that vein of thought, would you say Paulie did perform as well as he could have against Hatton? I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that would say Malignaggi gave it his all in that fight. And furthermore after he received a "thrashing" from Cotto do you remember what he said? "Miguel hits hard man" and in this interview he stated he would have trouble with Cotto even on his best night. Regardless of your opinion of how it went down. This seems to be an honest interpretation by Paulie to me.
I agree. I don't doubt he is being honest. I'm just looking at it from a different perspective.
He's probably no different a fighter now, than he was for Cotto. Difference is - he was a big underdog in the Cotto fight. No-one really gave him much chance. And i think that includes Cotto. Not only was Cotto suffering from the weight but also was probably undermotivated, and therefore underperformed. So, Paulie's success was amplified. And naturally, left the fight with a far better reputation.
SO.. Paulie, Hatton and Cotto all entered their fights with a different mindset.
For instance - (as you point out) Paulie said after the fight "Miguel hits hard man." But he EXPECTED that going in. Everyone knows Cotto is a hurtful puncher. So the fact he took Cotto's punches is a victory for himself.
Whereas before the Hatton fight Paulie said "Ricky is not a big pucher." In just the 2nd round he gets badly rocked, which he admits, but afterwards still says "Ricky is not a big puncher," even though it was clear Ricky was hurting him. Obviously, the fact that Paulie was hurt by Ricky, when he didn't EXPECT to be, he sees as a failing. So he sees it as himself underperforming instead of Hatton being much BETTER than he expected.
It's a psychological thing.
And I'm even boring myself with this tosh now :beat:
I with ya here. I'm don't follow Hatton, Cotto or Malignaggi to be honest. I think Ricky is the clear champ at 140 and by far and large 140 is a crap division with a few stars and very little future promise. As you said PM was probably baffled when he got hurt in the 2nd, BUT what baffles me is he actually landed one good straight right and followed it up by throwing no more right hands for the rest of the fight.
My take on these events
-Hatton had a brilliant performance against PM and beat him more decisively.
-Cotto hurt PM more clearly.
-Hatton is the clear champ at 140.
-Malignaggi looked like crap against Hatton.
-Hatton/Cotto will never happen now because of the weight difference however slight it may seem.
