Im Actually Rooting For DLH

I never root for DLH, but his work ethic for this fight has impressed the hell out me.
He's gone seriously old school for this one.
Ensconsed himself in a cabin in Big Bear,which is quite frankly,if not the middle of nowhere,you can see it from there.
Brought in Nacho and Dundee as trainers
Hell the guy's even cutting wood for training.
Might as well be Ali's cabin near Pottstown in the 70's

I can only say this. F#$k DLH!!!

Cannot stand the freaky orange charlatan!

I don't know, I just get so cynical thinking about this fight. Oscar is such a phoney it's really hard to take anything he says seriously. Every single fight he needs to make some great change in his camp which "brings that fire back to his belly..." It's a pile of BS if you ask me, the only deciding factor in this fight is whether Oscar actually goes for it or if he plans to make Manny look good lasting 12 or even lose to him in order to cash in on some future matchup. I still think DLH's left hook is just way to much for Manny to be able to take repeatedly, and there's no reason Oscar shouldn't be able to land unless he has faded immensly for this fight alone. If he approaches this fight like he did Mayorga it SHOULD be a massacre, far as I can envision. Honestly though, I think it's likely he won't. I doubt Oscar really cares much about how people view his legacy anymore or any of that jazz. He is strictly a businessman who fights to better his own promotional company, and in that sense I do have the utmost respect for his savy. As a fan though, I really don't wanna see this turn out to be a sparring session.

Oscar fought Mayweather and lost then he fights small Forbes then Mayweather retires so he chases Pac who is a smaller man at 5ft 6inch last fighting at his highest weight 135lbs Oscar is a natural 154lbs fighter as been as far as 160lbs and is 5ft 11inch and if he wins he wants another small man Hatton who is a natural 140lbs fighter and 5ft 6inch he is just after the money and if he beats Pac he won't be P4P#1 Oscar should stop being a bully boy chasing these smaller men for there names and fight Magarito,Cotto or Paul Williams.

I want this clear,I NEVER root for DLH, ever.
But this time out of the gate he's doing everything Id want to see to make me think he's dead serious about this fight.
Dundee is costing him a serious penny alone
Nacho dont work for free either
And theres nothing to do in Big Bear but ski or train

I never root for Oscar but i hope he kos pacman ;D

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Originally Posted by p4pking

I don't know, I just get so cynical thinking about this fight. Oscar is such a phoney it's really hard to take anything he says seriously. Every single fight he needs to make some great change in his camp which "brings that fire back to his belly..." It's a pile of BS if you ask me, the only deciding factor in this fight is whether Oscar actually goes for it or if he plans to make Manny look good lasting 12 or even lose to him in order to cash in on some future matchup. I still think DLH's left hook is just way to much for Manny to be able to take repeatedly, and there's no reason Oscar shouldn't be able to land unless he has faded immensly for this fight alone. If he approaches this fight like he did Mayorga it SHOULD be a massacre, far as I can envision. Honestly though, I think it's likely he won't. I doubt Oscar really cares much about how people view his legacy anymore or any of that jazz. He is strictly a businessman who fights to better his own promotional company, and in that sense I do have the utmost respect for his savy. As a fan though, I really don't wanna see this turn out to be a sparring session.

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That's true, he does seem to say something like that for every fight. When he had Floyd Sr. back, that was great, when he got Roach, that was the key.

I'm hoping for a double KO.

I think people are idiots for thinking this is a walk in the park for either guy. Even if Oscar manhandles Pacquiao, he will need to train as hard as he ever has to ensure that he does. People don't understand that, they criticize guys like Mayweather for fighting Hatton, but they don't see that he was sparring 20 rounds against Lovemore N'Dou and Carlos Baldomir nearly everyday leading up to it. I don't think its what happens in the ring that proves ones greatness, but what they do out of it to prepare themselves.

Benitez was a great fighter, but I will never forgive him for training 11 days to fight Leonard. Or the two weeks he prepared in fighting Hearns. I look on guys like that with distain.

I don't care who you are fighting I would expect you to train as hard as possible for the fight. These guys are getting the top dollar to fight at their best. Oscar knows that Pacquiao is a live underdog even if ignorant people don't, and he knows realizes that size isn't all that matters. I mean he went up to fight Bernard Hopkins who was way bigger than him. He fought the dangerous Tito Trinidad in his prime, he fought Mosley twice, he fought Whitaker, he fought Mayweather. He's foughten both the bigger and smaller guys, and I think he realizes that Pacquiao is going to be a lot bigger and stronger than we have ever seen him, and he has the heart of lion.

So he is training hard, that is what they are paid to do. ODH will have to retire out of embarrassment if he looses and that is really why he is putting in the hard work.

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So he is training hard, that is what they are paid to do. ODH will have to retire out of embarrassment if he looses and that is really why he is putting in the hard work.

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Missing the point,this is the most focused Ive ever seen him,my only concern is that it may be too late in his career. I actually respect his regimen this time,usually I cant even be bothered to watch his fights. He is well and far from a fighter Im a fan of. But this time he's doing everything right for a change.

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

I never root for DLH, but his work ethic for this fight has impressed the hell out me.
He's gone seriously old school for this one.
Ensconsed himself in a cabin in Big Bear,which is quite frankly,if not the middle of nowhere,you can see it from there.
Brought in Nacho and Dundee as trainers
Hell the guy's even cutting wood for training.
Might as well be Ali's cabin near Pottstown in the 70's

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He did this also before the Vargas fight...

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Originally Posted by p4pking

I don't know, I just get so cynical thinking about this fight. Oscar is such a phoney it's really hard to take anything he says seriously. Every single fight he needs to make some great change in his camp which "brings that fire back to his belly..." It's a pile of BS if you ask me, the only deciding factor in this fight is whether Oscar actually goes for it or if he plans to make Manny look good lasting 12 or even lose to him in order to cash in on some future matchup. I still think DLH's left hook is just way to much for Manny to be able to take repeatedly, and there's no reason Oscar shouldn't be able to land unless he has faded immensly for this fight alone. If he approaches this fight like he did Mayorga it SHOULD be a massacre, far as I can envision. Honestly though, I think it's likely he won't. I doubt Oscar really cares much about how people view his legacy anymore or any of that jazz. He is strictly a businessman who fights to better his own promotional company, and in that sense I do have the utmost respect for his savy. As a fan though, I really don't wanna see this turn out to be a sparring session.

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Good post!

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Originally Posted by Dragos Bitch

Oscar fought Mayweather and lost then he fights small Forbes then Mayweather retires so he chases Pac who is a smaller man at 5ft 6inch last fighting at his highest weight 135lbs Oscar is a natural 154lbs fighter as been as far as 160lbs and is 5ft 11inch and if he wins he wants another small man Hatton who is a natural 140lbs fighter and 5ft 6inch he is just after the money and if he beats Pac he won't be P4P#1 Oscar should stop being a bully boy chasing these smaller men for there names and fight Magarito,Cotto or Paul Williams.

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I've always loved De La Hoya but I'm really starting to dislike him more and more I hear him spew bullsh*t and pick on smaller people. I understand he's always fought the best but I'm judging him about what he's done lately not what he's done years ago.

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

I want this clear,I NEVER root for DLH, ever.
But this time out of the gate he's doing everything Id want to see to make me think he's dead serious about this fight.
Dundee is costing him a serious penny alone
Nacho dont work for free either
And theres nothing to do in Big Bear but ski or train

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Oscar doesn't exactly have financial problems either. Him paying for Dundee and Nacho's help is like me buying a pack of gum from the corner store.

Personally,I just wish the little Drama queen would go away already.Maybe after his carnival act with Pac,lets hope anyway:-X

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

I never root for DLH, but his work ethic for this fight has impressed the hell out me.
He's gone seriously old school for this one.
Ensconsed himself in a cabin in Big Bear,which is quite frankly,if not the middle of nowhere,you can see it from there.
Brought in Nacho and Dundee as trainers
Hell the guy's even cutting wood for training.
Might as well be Ali's cabin near Pottstown in the 70's

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He did this also before the Vargas fight...

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He didnt bring in Dundee and Nacho before,I think he knows his rope is running out of knots now.
I couldnt freaking believe they got Dundee

This is one of those fights that I care less about. I wouldn't pay a dollars if they where fighting in my living room.

Oscar has a big ego, boxers have to.

It no coincidence in 3 fights he has fought the top 2 p4p fighters, the 1 in between designed to warm him up for a rematch with the 1st and he is in control of the ring magazine.

Hes after a top spot in the p4p rankings.

He doesnt need money and calls the shots on any fight he has so he just wants the limelight.

Everyone complains about Oscar but who else could draw a small fighter up that much in weight, if nothing else these fights are entertaining and thats what professional boxing is supposed to be.

Hopkins is only just finding that out at 43;D

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I think people are idiots for thinking this is a walk in the park for either guy. Even if Oscar manhandles Pacquiao, he will need to train as hard as he ever has to ensure that he does. People don't understand that, they criticize guys like Mayweather for fighting Hatton, but they don't see that he was sparring 20 rounds against Lovemore N'Dou and Carlos Baldomir nearly everyday leading up to it. I don't think its what happens in the ring that proves ones greatness, but what they do out of it to prepare themselves.

Benitez was a great fighter, but I will never forgive him for training 11 days to fight Leonard. Or the two weeks he prepared in fighting Hearns. I look on guys like that with distain.

I don't care who you are fighting I would expect you to train as hard as possible for the fight. These guys are getting the top dollar to fight at their best. Oscar knows that Pacquiao is a live underdog even if ignorant people don't, and he knows realizes that size isn't all that matters. I mean he went up to fight Bernard Hopkins who was way bigger than him. He fought the dangerous Tito Trinidad in his prime, he fought Mosley twice, he fought Whitaker, he fought Mayweather. He's foughten both the bigger and smaller guys, and I think he realizes that Pacquiao is going to be a lot bigger and stronger than we have ever seen him, and he has the heart of lion.

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I hadn't heard that about Wilfred. The guy was really a natural, how great could he have been had he trained hard? I've heard that about other fighters like Vince Phillips didn't take his training all that seriously either.

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I think people are idiots for thinking this is a walk in the park for either guy. Even if Oscar manhandles Pacquiao, he will need to train as hard as he ever has to ensure that he does. People don't understand that, they criticize guys like Mayweather for fighting Hatton, but they don't see that he was sparring 20 rounds against Lovemore N'Dou and Carlos Baldomir nearly everyday leading up to it. I don't think its what happens in the ring that proves ones greatness, but what they do out of it to prepare themselves.

Benitez was a great fighter, but I will never forgive him for training 11 days to fight Leonard. Or the two weeks he prepared in fighting Hearns. I look on guys like that with distain.

I don't care who you are fighting I would expect you to train as hard as possible for the fight. These guys are getting the top dollar to fight at their best. Oscar knows that Pacquiao is a live underdog even if ignorant people don't, and he knows realizes that size isn't all that matters. I mean he went up to fight Bernard Hopkins who was way bigger than him. He fought the dangerous Tito Trinidad in his prime, he fought Mosley twice, he fought Whitaker, he fought Mayweather. He's foughten both the bigger and smaller guys, and I think he realizes that Pacquiao is going to be a lot bigger and stronger than we have ever seen him, and he has the heart of lion.

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I hadn't heard that about Wilfred. The guy was really a natural, how great could he have been had he trained hard? I've heard that about other fighters like Vince Phillips didn't take his training all that seriously either.

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Yep.I always see alot of slights against Phillips,how he was a journeyman lucky vs. Tszyu but Phillips was a quality fighter who's darkside and demons took a HUGE toll on him realizing full potential.His hard chin and wrecking ball right got him out of some jams.Had some nice amatuer exp. as well.

Oscar is "picking on" smaller opponents?! I love how some people always blame Oscar for everything. Like someone had to put a gun to Pac's head and say "fight Oscar or else." Pac had plenty of big, lucrative fights at 130 and 135...but guess what, like ANY fighter he realizes the $$$ potential of fighting Oscar. Oscar, for better or worse, is the ATM machine for boxing. It takes two to tango. And while i agree that BOTH fighters should be ashamed of themselves for taking this fight instead of dealing with people in their own weight class...you cannot single out Oscar for the blame. And even if you are an Oscar hater...i don't see how you can criticize the man's resume...he has consistently fought the very best throughout his career. He fought Forbes as a warm up for the Floyd rematch (trying to find someone who is slick and hard to hit to prepare him). Before that he fought the p4p king in Floyd...and i wouldn't exactly say he was picking on the smaller man in that fight. So now he will fight Pac and maybe Hatton in the future...not the best fights i agree. But i bet almost everyone on this board will watch the Pac fight and later maybe the Hatton fight. Right now boxing is struggling to bring in PPV revenue. So i'm not going to hate on Oscar for being one of the few fighters left who can generate interest and money for the sport. If you don't like the matchups...don't pay and see them...simple as that.

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Oscar is "picking on" smaller opponents?! I love how some people always blame Oscar for everything. Like someone had to put a gun to Pac's head and say "fight Oscar or else." Pac had plenty of big, lucrative fights at 130 and 135...but guess what, like ANY fighter he realizes the $$$ potential of fighting Oscar. Oscar, for better or worse, is the ATM machine for boxing. It takes two to tango. And while i agree that BOTH fighters should be ashamed of themselves for taking this fight instead of dealing with people in their own weight class...you cannot single out Oscar for the blame. And even if you are an Oscar hater...i don't see how you can criticize the man's resume...he has consistently fought the very best throughout his career. He fought Forbes as a warm up for the Floyd rematch (trying to find someone who is slick and hard to hit to prepare him). Before that he fought the p4p king in Floyd...and i wouldn't exactly say he was picking on the smaller man in that fight. So now he will fight Pac and maybe Hatton in the future...not the best fights i agree. But i bet almost everyone on this board will watch the Pac fight and later maybe the Hatton fight. Right now boxing is struggling to bring in PPV revenue. So i'm not going to hate on Oscar for being one of the few fighters left who can generate interest and money for the sport. If you don't like the matchups...don't pay and see them...simple as that.

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I can totally agree with that...

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Oscar is "picking on" smaller opponents?! I love how some people always blame Oscar for everything. Like someone had to put a gun to Pac's head and say "fight Oscar or else." Pac had plenty of big, lucrative fights at 130 and 135...but guess what, like ANY fighter he realizes the $$$ potential of fighting Oscar. Oscar, for better or worse, is the ATM machine for boxing. It takes two to tango. And while i agree that BOTH fighters should be ashamed of themselves for taking this fight instead of dealing with people in their own weight class...you cannot single out Oscar for the blame. And even if you are an Oscar hater...i don't see how you can criticize the man's resume...he has consistently fought the very best throughout his career. He fought Forbes as a warm up for the Floyd rematch (trying to find someone who is slick and hard to hit to prepare him). Before that he fought the p4p king in Floyd...and i wouldn't exactly say he was picking on the smaller man in that fight. So now he will fight Pac and maybe Hatton in the future...not the best fights i agree. But i bet almost everyone on this board will watch the Pac fight and later maybe the Hatton fight. Right now boxing is struggling to bring in PPV revenue. So i'm not going to hate on Oscar for being one of the few fighters left who can generate interest and money for the sport. If you don't like the matchups...don't pay and see them...simple as that.

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I can totally agree with that...

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I have to say I agree with that,lets face it,fighting DLH is the boxing equivalent of backing up the Brinks Truck.
Direct and Dish are both putting on extra staff for this fight

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I'm rooting for Pacquiao... He too was working/training very hard for this biggest fight of his life...

Nacho is probably the best trainer out there today. But Oscar switching trainers every fight shows the same kind of inconsistency that he has shown in the ring as of late. He rolls the dice every fight he has taken the last few years and his arrogance leads him to believe that thinks are destined to go his way. Yes Oscar is shrewd, arrogant, and in love with himself, but he is also a smart fighter and possibly a smarter businessman. I cant remember one of his performances, win or lose, that he didnt gain something. Next week will be no different.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I think people are idiots for thinking this is a walk in the park for either guy. Even if Oscar manhandles Pacquiao, he will need to train as hard as he ever has to ensure that he does. People don't understand that, they criticize guys like Mayweather for fighting Hatton, but they don't see that he was sparring 20 rounds against Lovemore N'Dou and Carlos Baldomir nearly everyday leading up to it. I don't think its what happens in the ring that proves ones greatness, but what they do out of it to prepare themselves.

Benitez was a great fighter, but I will never forgive him for training 11 days to fight Leonard. Or the two weeks he prepared in fighting Hearns. I look on guys like that with distain.

I don't care who you are fighting I would expect you to train as hard as possible for the fight. These guys are getting the top dollar to fight at their best. Oscar knows that Pacquiao is a live underdog even if ignorant people don't, and he knows realizes that size isn't all that matters. I mean he went up to fight Bernard Hopkins who was way bigger than him. He fought the dangerous Tito Trinidad in his prime, he fought Mosley twice, he fought Whitaker, he fought Mayweather. He's foughten both the bigger and smaller guys, and I think he realizes that Pacquiao is going to be a lot bigger and stronger than we have ever seen him, and he has the heart of lion.

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I don't know what Benetiz would rather, that he have his marbles back or YOUR forgiveness:rolleyes:. I mean holy christ man, come off it. Read your post again and tell me you don't come across as a complete goof. Who the hell cares how YOU expect a fighter to train? All that should matter to fans is what the do in the ring. If a guy can have a half ass training camp and still whip a top fighter he get's more props from me personally. Guess I just can't imagine being boring enough to train so methodically. Obviously you don't have the same problem.

I wouldn't mind seeing him fight Pavlik, Matter of fact I would love to see him get his fake ass knock out and I hope Manny kicks his ass.

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I wouldn't mind seeing him fight Pavlik, Matter of fact I would love to see him get his fake ass knock out and I hope Manny kicks his ass.

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Its always carefully calculated by Oscar so as to minimise the threat. Pac was fighting at 130 pounds at the start of this year. Oscar has been up to middleweight and is comfortable at 154. Its a farce. On paper it looks horrendous, but Pac has a big heart and is game so fair play to him. But as for Oscar.... :rolleyes:

I would much rather DLH fought Calzaghe at a catchweight of 166 pounds. Now that would be a huge fight and Oscar would look so STUPID. Pavlik would be fun too and could happen at 160. ;D Of course, DLH would never be so game as to take on such fights. DLH is no Joe Calzaghe and and Pac is no DLH so Pac will probably not look so stupid in this fight.

Come on Manny, rid the world of this stain upon boxing.

Interesting
I started a thread more or less saying I normally loathe DLH, but in this particular fight,Im rooting for him.
And it turns out 10 years of hating him ever since he said he wanted to quit boxing to be an actor,isnt even close to how some other people feel about him

You know miles you keep playing this hate card on Oscar and your saying he is palying it safe but your boy Calzaghe your favorite fighter played it safe in one of the weakest division in boxing for 10 years so i dont think you can praise one guy and get down on another who has fought better competion in his career as a whole just does not make sense why you do that i know your not dumb but ever thread same thing and well i mean what did you think of him fighting Roy jones jr because that was as big of a farce then this fight is with Oscar Dela Hoya why is it people hate a man with one of the best resume and has done so much for boxing dont get it is not the best fight but it while probably be bigger then any fight of late.

Sure Oscar's A-team costs a lot, but as I see it, it practically pays for itself giving people additional confidence in him, which probably translate into bigger receipts.

Training at Big Bear, chopping wood, and those guys that he has with him is nice and all, but how much of it is truly necessary? How much of it is just creating an image for himself so that more people will buy into this spectacle? Would you be any more surprised if you saw Delahoya chasing chickens in the next 24/7?

Realistically Delahoya just needs train hard to ensure that he's half-way decent condition and makes the weight. Everything else is just smiles for the camera.

Now obviously he has a good left hook, he has the size, and he showed against Mayweather that he's not blown away with fast hands. The only question on my mind is how's he going to handle a quick little guy like Pac who has the workrate that could give him problems. In sparring didn't he have trouble with smaller fighters that could match his workrate, take Valero and Ortiz for instance.

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You know miles you keep playing this hate card on Oscar and your saying he is palying it safe but your boy Calzaghe your favorite fighter played it safe in one of the weakest division in boxing for 10 years so i dont think you can praise one guy and get down on another who has fought better competion in his career as a whole just does not make sense why you do that i know your not dumb but ever thread same thing and well i mean what did you think of him fighting Roy jones jr because that was as big of a farce then this fight is with Oscar Dela Hoya why is it people hate a man with one of the best resume and has done so much for boxing dont get it is not the best fight but it while probably be bigger then any fight of late.

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Well said. And lets not forget...even though he lost...Oscar went up past his limit to fight Bernard Hopkins. Oscar could fight a bunch of bozo's for his last several fights...and his resume is still just as good, if not better than any fighter in recent years. Don't get me wrong, the man is no angel...he is a business man and his facade can seem fake. But there has been very few, if any, fighters in history who have the kind of success in AND out the ring like Delahoya. That doesn't come from just being a pretty face...the man is smart and hardworking. I also go back to my original point...there is almost no fighter in the business today that wouldn't kill to be in Oscar's shoes. If that's a good thing or not...is a whole another story. But that's the reality of the business of boxing. Sure he generates tons of money for himself...but he also brings money and publicity to the sport AND his opposition. There is obviously WAY more people who like him, whatever the reason, than who do not like him. Otherwise he wouldn't still be the biggest name in boxing. So some of you might dislike him as a person or fighter...but don't hate on him for being successful and popular.

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Sure Oscar's A-team costs a lot, but as I see it, it practically pays for itself giving people additional confidence in him, which probably translate into bigger receipts.

Training at Big Bear, chopping wood, and those guys that he has with him is nice and all, but how much of it is truly necessary? How much of it is just creating an image for himself so that more people will buy into this spectacle? Would you be any more surprised if you saw Delahoya chasing chickens in the next 24/7?

Realistically Delahoya just needs train hard to ensure that he's half-way decent condition and makes the weight. Everything else is just smiles for the camera.

Now obviously he has a good left hook, he has the size, and he showed against Mayweather that he's not blown away with fast hands. The only question on my mind is how's he going to handle a quick little guy like Pac who has the workrate that could give him problems. In sparring didn't he have trouble with smaller fighters that could match his workrate, take Valero and Ortiz for instance.

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I think its really necessary at this point,he isnt fighting just fighting Pac anymore,he's also fighting time.
I only wished he'd showed this lock down mode earlier in his career. Lets face it,DLH spent most of his career taking his talent for granted,who knows what he could have been if he had trained for every fight this way?

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Sure Oscar's A-team costs a lot, but as I see it, it practically pays for itself giving people additional confidence in him, which probably translate into bigger receipts.

Training at Big Bear, chopping wood, and those guys that he has with him is nice and all, but how much of it is truly necessary? How much of it is just creating an image for himself so that more people will buy into this spectacle? Would you be any more surprised if you saw Delahoya chasing chickens in the next 24/7?

Realistically Delahoya just needs train hard to ensure that he's half-way decent condition and makes the weight. Everything else is just smiles for the camera.

Now obviously he has a good left hook, he has the size, and he showed against Mayweather that he's not blown away with fast hands. The only question on my mind is how's he going to handle a quick little guy like Pac who has the workrate that could give him problems. In sparring didn't he have trouble with smaller fighters that could match his workrate, take Valero and Ortiz for instance.

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I think its really necessary at this point,he isnt fighting just fighting Pac anymore,he's also fighting time.
I only wished he'd showed this lock down mode earlier in his career. Lets face it,DLH spent most of his career taking his talent for granted,who knows what he could have been if he had trained for every fight this way?

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It'd surely have been a different story if had Oscar stuck it out with his old trainer Rivero, instead hooking up with every big name trainer. Combine that with hard work and Delahoya would have been a wrecking machine instead of a potential wreck waiting to happen.

I can see your point of view now, he is definately working his goldenboy ass off, and although getting his experts is may in part be a publicity move, it is also a smart move.

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Sure Oscar's A-team costs a lot, but as I see it, it practically pays for itself giving people additional confidence in him, which probably translate into bigger receipts.

Training at Big Bear, chopping wood, and those guys that he has with him is nice and all, but how much of it is truly necessary? How much of it is just creating an image for himself so that more people will buy into this spectacle? Would you be any more surprised if you saw Delahoya chasing chickens in the next 24/7?

Realistically Delahoya just needs train hard to ensure that he's half-way decent condition and makes the weight. Everything else is just smiles for the camera.

Now obviously he has a good left hook, he has the size, and he showed against Mayweather that he's not blown away with fast hands. The only question on my mind is how's he going to handle a quick little guy like Pac who has the workrate that could give him problems. In sparring didn't he have trouble with smaller fighters that could match his workrate, take Valero and Ortiz for instance.

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I think its really necessary at this point,he isnt fighting just fighting Pac anymore,he's also fighting time.
I only wished he'd showed this lock down mode earlier in his career. Lets face it,DLH spent most of his career taking his talent for granted,who knows what he could have been if he had trained for every fight this way?

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It'd surely have been a different story if had Oscar stuck it out with his old trainer Rivero, instead hooking up with every big name trainer. Combine that with hard work and Delahoya would have been a wrecking machine instead of a potential wreck waiting to happen.

I can see your point of view now, he is definately working his goldenboy ass off, and although getting his experts is may in part be a publicity move, it is also a smart move.

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Its honestly the first time I can see him treating a fight like its do or die time. Im used to Oscar constantly flashing those pearly whites and hoping to get by on raw talent.
Maybe its Dundee and Nacho getting under his skin,maybe its that he can see the end of his road ahead,but for the first time in his career,he's making me feel like he's taking this fight very seriously.
My biggest question,is it just too late

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I think its really necessary at this point,he isnt fighting just fighting Pac anymore,he's also fighting time.
I only wished he'd showed this lock down mode earlier in his career. Lets face it,DLH spent most of his career taking his talent for granted,who knows what he could have been if he had trained for every fight this way?

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It'd surely have been a different story if had Oscar stuck it out with his old trainer Rivero, instead hooking up with every big name trainer. Combine that with hard work and Delahoya would have been a wrecking machine instead of a potential wreck waiting to happen.

I can see your point of view now, he is definately working his goldenboy ass off, and although getting his experts is may in part be a publicity move, it is also a smart move.

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Its honestly the first time I can see him treating a fight like its do or die time. Im used to Oscar constantly flashing those pearly whites and hoping to get by on raw talent.
Maybe its Dundee and Nacho getting under his skin,maybe its that he can see the end of his road ahead,but for the first time in his career,he's making me feel like he's taking this fight very seriously.
My biggest question,is it just too late

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It very well could be too late. Hard to say. One thing i have to say...i like Nacho as a trainer. I think this is the best trainer he has had in years. For all of his flash, i was never a Mayweather Snr. fan and i am not impressed by Roach either. Will Nacho at this stage of his career make a difference...we shall see. Who knows...Oscar might go right back to Mayweather after this fight. But Nacho has a great combination of old school work ethic, smart boxing mind, and great reputation. As for this fight itself. Oscar has the size and skill advantage. My question is...will he use that jab and overall skill early to set Pac up for those big left hooks. Or will he try and unload like crazy like he did for most the Mayweather fight. Oscar should win this fight. If Pac pulls off the huge upset...my hats off to him. But if Oscar is focused, in shape, and fights smart...he has no business losing this fight (despite his age and Pac's big heart and great speed).

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Its honestly the first time I can see him treating a fight like its do or die time. Im used to Oscar constantly flashing those pearly whites and hoping to get by on raw talent.
Maybe its Dundee and Nacho getting under his skin,maybe its that he can see the end of his road ahead,but for the first time in his career,he's making me feel like he's taking this fight very seriously.
My biggest question,is it just too late

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It's more likely just a special circumstance for this fight, than it is defining moment in his career. Delahoya is still giving the same talk as he did with Vargas, Mayorga, Mayweather, ad nauseum, but at least things are a little different now.

It's nice to know that Delahoya's heart is in it, but like any time of anticipation, we'll have to see how it all turns out.

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Originally Posted by zhubin

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by Chris Nagel

It'd surely have been a different story if had Oscar stuck it out with his old trainer Rivero, instead hooking up with every big name trainer. Combine that with hard work and Delahoya would have been a wrecking machine instead of a potential wreck waiting to happen.

I can see your point of view now, he is definately working his goldenboy ass off, and although getting his experts is may in part be a publicity move, it is also a smart move.

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Its honestly the first time I can see him treating a fight like its do or die time. Im used to Oscar constantly flashing those pearly whites and hoping to get by on raw talent.
Maybe its Dundee and Nacho getting under his skin,maybe its that he can see the end of his road ahead,but for the first time in his career,he's making me feel like he's taking this fight very seriously.
My biggest question,is it just too late

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It very well could be too late. Hard to say. One thing i have to say...i like Nacho as a trainer. I think this is the best trainer he has had in years. For all of his flash, i was never a Mayweather Snr. fan and i am not impressed by Roach either. Will Nacho at this stage of his career make a difference...we shall see. Who knows...Oscar might go right back to Mayweather after this fight. But Nacho has a great combination of old school work ethic, smart boxing mind, and great reputation. As for this fight itself. Oscar has the size and skill advantage. My question is...will he use that jab and overall skill early to set Pac up for those big left hooks. Or will he try and unload like crazy like he did for most the Mayweather fight. Oscar should win this fight. If Pac pulls off the huge upset...my hats off to him. But if Oscar is focused, in shape, and fights smart...he has no business losing this fight (despite his age and Pac's big heart and great speed).

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If Manny whups him,absolutely all credit where its due,and good on the PacMan,I just got a niggling of a suspicion that Oscar isnt blowing this one off for a change

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Originally Posted by Mr140

You know miles you keep playing this hate card on Oscar and your saying he is palying it safe but your boy Calzaghe your favorite fighter played it safe in one of the weakest division in boxing for 10 years so i dont think you can praise one guy and get down on another who has fought better competion in his career as a whole just does not make sense why you do that i know your not dumb but ever thread same thing and well i mean what did you think of him fighting Roy jones jr because that was as big of a farce then this fight is with Oscar Dela Hoya why is it people hate a man with one of the best resume and has done so much for boxing dont get it is not the best fight but it while probably be bigger then any fight of late.

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Don't take me too seriously with the whole Oscar thing. I do dislike him, just something about him that grates and doesnt ring true. You cannot admire and repsect every fighter. I watched that 24/7 episode and he's talking about how when he runs he thinks about his family and this gives him "the power". He says such corny things.

I can appreciate the scale that DLH brings and I do think he has some very good wins on his resume. But I do think DLH has been pretty rubbish for the last five years. I think Sturm did enough to beat him too. So Oscar has beaten Forbes and Mayorga in half a decade. Admittedly, he has been fighting top level fighters. But he keeps on falling short, and people want to see him keep trying? I just think its getting a bit trying. And to want to make a fight with Pacquiao reeks of desperation. Oscar just isnt relevant to boxing anymore. A win over Pac means nothing, but it does mean Oscar is that much richer. And that is the only motivation I can see here. Its certainly not about legacy or significant new challenges.

You make a fair point regarding Calzaghe. I wish he had stepped it up earlier. He has always had the skills to beat anybody. I was certainly critical when the fight with Jones Jr was made and I most definitely did some complaining way back when the Manfredo fight was made. Calzaghe has fought plenty of bums and his share of fighters that had perhaps seen better days. I wont deny that. My only defence is that he beat them all and when he has stepped it up, he has done it pretty impressively. He didnt just beat Jones Jr. he took every round after the first. Wonderful fighter to watch.

I dont like DLH and hope he gets beaten. He usually does these days anyway!! ;D:p

I hope Pac knocks DLH on his ass... stands over him... and calls him his bitch.

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by Chris Nagel

It'd surely have been a different story if had Oscar stuck it out with his old trainer Rivero, instead hooking up with every big name trainer. Combine that with hard work and Delahoya would have been a wrecking machine instead of a potential wreck waiting to happen.

I can see your point of view now, he is definately working his goldenboy ass off, and although getting his experts is may in part be a publicity move, it is also a smart move.

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Its honestly the first time I can see him treating a fight like its do or die time. Im used to Oscar constantly flashing those pearly whites and hoping to get by on raw talent.
Maybe its Dundee and Nacho getting under his skin,maybe its that he can see the end of his road ahead,but for the first time in his career,he's making me feel like he's taking this fight very seriously.
My biggest question,is it just too late

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It very well could be too late. Hard to say. One thing i have to say...i like Nacho as a trainer. I think this is the best trainer he has had in years. For all of his flash, i was never a Mayweather Snr. fan and i am not impressed by Roach either. Will Nacho at this stage of his career make a difference...we shall see. Who knows...Oscar might go right back to Mayweather after this fight. But Nacho has a great combination of old school work ethic, smart boxing mind, and great reputation. As for this fight itself. Oscar has the size and skill advantage. My question is...will he use that jab and overall skill early to set Pac up for those big left hooks. Or will he try and unload like crazy like he did for most the Mayweather fight. Oscar should win this fight. If Pac pulls off the huge upset...my hats off to him. But if Oscar is focused, in shape, and fights smart...he has no business losing this fight (despite his age and Pac's big heart and great speed).

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If you were going to go old school,you couldnt go more old school then bringing in Nacho and Dundee. I almost choked when I heard he'd brought in Dundee. And you can tell these guys are consummate pros,because all the reports out of Oscars camp is everything is going smoothly. If you tried to have McGirt and Roach in the same camp, they wouldnt be able to move for stepping on each others toes.