In my opinion Zab beats Ricky.

Zab would beat Hatton! who can honestly say they think Hatton as a Welter weight could beat, Clottey, Cotto, Baldomir or Mayweather?

We already know he cannot beat Mayweather, stands no chance against the middleweight Clottey; Get's pummeled by Cotto and Baldomir is to big and strong for Hatton.

So looking at Judah's losses the don't look as bad now.

I mean Judah was 143 fighting against Clottey at 160!!

That is more of a mismatch than Pac Oscar! as Pac usually comes into the ring about 145!!!

Zab is really just an idiot who has been fighting in the wrong weight catogery for ages.

please tell me this is a windup or your on some kind of strong medication???



"We already know he cannot beat Mayweather, stands no chance against the middleweight Clottey; Get's pummeled by Cotto and Baldomir is to big and strong for Hatton."



Hattons never ever fought clottey, cotto or baldomir how do we "know" these things??

Seriously if your not high get yourself to a doctors fast!!

Zabs got a chance for a few rounds but then slowly but surely Ricky busts him up.

This would be a massive opportunity for Zab, history shows us that he'll blow it.

Why on earth would you put Ricky in with those fighters ??

They are ALL welterweights. Ricky is a LIGHT-welterweight.

Carlos Baldomir is actually a light-middleweight. TWO divisions above Hatton.

It's like making a thread title and saying Enzo Maccarinneli couldn't complete with Klitchkso, Peter and Valuev.

He's in the division below :rolleyes: Jesus, what a pointless thread.

I'm not putting Hatton in those fight; I'm just highlighting that we should not discount the potential for Zab to dominate at 140 as the same guys that beat him would more than likely beat anyone at Welter!

I mean just like Hatton Zab has for a long time been a Light Welter fighting at Welter.

The Key difference being Hatton was smart enough to realise and move back down Zab was not.

He hasn't been in the wrong weight class. Zab was the undisputed champ at welter. The blip against Baldomir was down to him being a mental midget not size. Apart from that he lost to Floyd and Cotto. No disgrace in that. Clotty beat him because their careers are heading in different directions.

Like Memphis, I would give him a chance against Hatton early.. after that, all Hatton has to do is keep the pressure on and Zab will almost certainly fold. Probably try and get himself disqualified.

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He hasn't been in the wrong weight class. Zab was the undisputed champ at welter. The blip against Baldomir was down to him being a mental midget not size. Apart from that he lost to Floyd and Cotto. No disgrace in that. Clotty beat him because their careers are heading in different directions.

Like Memphis, I would give him a chance against Hatton early.. after that, all Hatton has to do is keep the pressure on and Zab will almost certainly fold. Probably try and get himself disqualified.

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That's what I was thinkin, if that fight makes it past 3 you could see one the dirtiest performances by a fighter in recent memory.

If you are going to base your opinion solely on guys who beat Zab

I remember a little Austrailian Fighter inviting Zab to dance once

That same fighter Ricky put in to retirment

Zab had no business at welter weight just like Ricky, but none of that matters At 140 Hatton stops Zab in 8 if they were to fight next it would be on cuts

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If you are going to base your opinion solely on guys who beat Zab

I remember a little Austrailian Fighter inviting Zab to dance once

That same fighter Ricky put in to retirment

Zab had no business at welter weight just like Ricky, but none of that matters At 140 Hatton stops Zab in 8 if they were to fight next it would be on cuts

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My problem with that is, it definately was not the same fighter!! The Kostya that beat Zab would have in my opinion beaten Hatton.

At any weight, Zab is a decent fighter. But he has a certain amount of potential that has gone untapped his whole career, and I can't see that changing against Hatton.. I think he could have beaten Hatton and done a lot better in his other losses. But their is some block in him giving that 100% that informed boxing fans can see hidden inside him.. I believe it's that untapped potential that everyone can see that keeps getting him these big fights over and over again, but it's the fact he never taps into that potential that makes him come up short against good opponents..

How much he taps into determines how well he does against Hatton, but the fact history has shown we will never see the best of Zab, and often we seen much less (when he implodes on himself during fights), would lead anyone to believe that Hatton would always have a decent shot at Zab...

Zab is never a sure thing in my eyes..

Here is an idea for a thread, lets talk about Hatton fighting lite weights & lite welters instead of people that are too big...

That would make a refreshing change :lolololol:

But for the record anyone at 140 for Hatton...

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If you are going to base your opinion solely on guys who beat Zab

I remember a little Austrailian Fighter inviting Zab to dance once

That same fighter Ricky put in to retirment

Zab had no business at welter weight just like Ricky, but none of that matters At 140 Hatton stops Zab in 8 if they were to fight next it would be on cuts

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My problem with that is, it definately was not the same fighter!! The Kostya that beat Zab would have in my opinion beaten Hatton.

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Actually I think Hatton would beat Kostya in his prime. Kostya has always had trouble with swarmers.

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If you are going to base your opinion solely on guys who beat Zab

I remember a little Austrailian Fighter inviting Zab to dance once

That same fighter Ricky put in to retirment

Zab had no business at welter weight just like Ricky, but none of that matters At 140 Hatton stops Zab in 8 if they were to fight next it would be on cuts

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My problem with that is, it definately was not the same fighter!! The Kostya that beat Zab would have in my opinion beaten Hatton.

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Actually I think Hatton would beat Kostya in his prime. Kostya has always had trouble with swarmers.

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That's a strong statement considering how close the fight was before the end.

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My problem with that is, it definately was not the same fighter!! The Kostya that beat Zab would have in my opinion beaten Hatton.

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Actually I think Hatton would beat Kostya in his prime. Kostya has always had trouble with swarmers.

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That's a strong statement considering how close the fight was before the end.

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Vince Phillips was a swarmer and he beat a young Kostya Tszyu, as for the topic. Zab Judah only has a chance in the early rounds, and theres no way i can see Zab Judah getting Ricky Hatton out early.

Because although Ricky Hatton can be hurt, he has often showed good survival instincts and a good enough chin. At Jr Welterweight he would break up Zab Judah like Miguel Cotto did at Welterweight.

I find it funny how all the anti-hatton gang list people heavier than Hatton and say he couldn't beat them. Why don't you list someone in his division he wouldn't be able to beat?

Oh, yeah.. there isn't no one. Bradley would get beat down.. and he's probably the closest rival Ricky has now at light welter.

Seriously.. it would be like me saying Joe Calzaghe wouldn't be able to defeat Samuel Peter. We all know this, so it wouldn't be worth me saying it. Ricky has never claimed to be the best p4p at 147, so why do people blast him saying he'd get beat by all these welterweights..

On topic: Judging by his last fight? Zab wouldn't stand a chance in hell. Lacked motivation, lacked the intensity and he definately lacked the confidence. All of which Hatton is thriving on right now.

EDIT: I just realised I've said near enough exactly what lefty has.. I guess we're on the same wave link on the subject.

Maybe a few years ago. I think it would have been a lot like the Juadh-Ward fight. That was back when Zab was a little more tougher mentally. Now I think Hatton would break him late, though Zab would be ahead on points imo.

Zab would be dangerous for bout 4 rounds but Hatton would be to intense for Zab we saw how he crumbled against Cotto and i see Hatton doing much the same with body shots slowly breaking Zab down.

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Maybe a few years ago. I think it would have been a lot like the Juadh-Ward fight. That was back when Zab was a little more tougher mentally. Now I think Hatton would break him late, though Zab would be ahead on points imo.

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It would of been nothing like Micky Ward vs Zab Judah, Micky Ward was a goodish fighter with a good body attack, but his footwork was very slow. Except for the good body attack he is nothing like Ricky Hatton at all.

Ricky Hatton is atleast 2 classes above Micky Ward, he is a much better pressure fighter. With much quicker footwork he was able to even close down the distance against Floyd Mayweather, although he was outclassed.

nah i think everybody isrightg nothis

theres no doubtilike zab, but zab will not win this fight because theresjust too much pressure by hatton, more then baldomir more then cotto

even tho i did seem impressed by him in hisfight aganist cotto's inside game iono how zab will handle the constant dirty stuff hatton does...lol

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Zab would beat Hatton! who can honestly say they think Hatton as a Welter weight could beat, Clottey, Cotto, Baldomir or Mayweather?

We already know he cannot beat Mayweather, stands no chance against the middleweight Clottey; Get's pummeled by Cotto and Baldomir is to big and strong for Hatton.

So looking at Judah's losses the don't look as bad now.

I mean Judah was 143 fighting against Clottey at 160!!

That is more of a mismatch than Pac Oscar! as Pac usually comes into the ring about 145!!!

Zab is really just an idiot who has been fighting in the wrong weight catogery for ages.

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Speaking of Clottey, I think Hatton (at 140) would beat Zab in the same way; the exception being Zab would land more on Hatton. But this new Hatton with head movement?... Shit, I don't know why Zab would take that fight. Does he want to go visit Paulie in retirement land?

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Maybe a few years ago. I think it would have been a lot like the Juadh-Ward fight. That was back when Zab was a little more tougher mentally. Now I think Hatton would break him late, though Zab would be ahead on points imo.

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It would of been nothing like Micky Ward vs Zab Judah, Micky Ward was a goodish fighter with a good body attack, but his footwork was very slow. Except for the good body attack he is nothing like Ricky Hatton at all.

Ricky Hatton is atleast 2 classes above Micky Ward, he is a much better pressure fighter. With much quicker footwork he was able to even close down the distance against Floyd Mayweather, although he was outclassed.

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I agree Hatton is faster on foot than Ward, but I still thing Zab would outbox him much like he did Ward. Like I said the difference would be the end result where as in the ward fight Zab was able to stay in his rythm, Ricky would break him down and ultimately beat him.

Loads of Valid points! nothing concrete I hope this fight happens as there is not many other big fights out there for Hatton or Zab. If Hatton is staying at 140 after Pacman and JMM who else is there? We all know he won't fight Witter and I honestly don't think Bradley will be a top fighter in the long run.

Hatton would break Zab down to a TKO in my opinion with Zab landing some good powershots early on.

Im pretty sure Zab's last outing was officially at 14o (although he weighed in at 144).

I think Zab is back at 140. And with that being said, all i'll say is that, if one of those amazing Left- Uppercuts detonate of Ricky's Chin, Ricky better start Aiming for Zabs Nuts three times quicker than Cotto did ;D

Zab would have a huge chance early. Huge.

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Loads of Valid points! nothing concrete I hope this fight happens as there is not many other big fights out there for Hatton or Zab. If Hatton is staying at 140 after Pacman and JMM who else is there? We all know he won't fight Witter and I honestly don't think Bradley will be a top fighter in the long run.

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Agreed bro- in addition, I always thought the JMM v Hatton fight was interesting- if JMM's power can transfer to that weight, I'd pick him. But, ultimately, I think it's just too heavy.

Right, ricky beat Tszyu and took all his shots whithout blinking, either his chin is ten times better than Zabs (which it probably is) or he dfended better or his offence kept Tszyu at bay, either way Ricky did something better.

Zab is the type of opponent that Ricky would take as a comeback or warm up:rolleyes:

Zab is a product of his own hype;D

At 140 I think Hatton is too much physically and even more so mentally for Zab.Judah is faster but he shows little desire to follow through off the initial showy shots,Can not see him walking Hatton back.Imo....Zab is approaching the other side of career fast and will have an uphill battle regaining Championship stature...I don't see it!

Zab definitely has the tools to beat Ricky. But his mental game is so weak that Hatton's style would eventually smother Zab.

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Zab definitely has the tools to beat Ricky. But his mental game is so weak that Hatton's style would eventually smother Zab.

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Contradiction, if he has the tools to beat Rik, he would but he doesnt, he doesnt have the full fighters make up that real fighters have.

What your saying is Judah would beat Ricky if Ricky didnt put uip much of a fight;D

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Zab definitely has the tools to beat Ricky. But his mental game is so weak that Hatton's style would eventually smother Zab.

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Contradiction, if he has the tools to beat Rik, he would but he doesnt, he doesnt have the full fighters make up that real fighters have.

What your saying is Judah would beat Ricky if Ricky didnt put uip much of a fight;D

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No, when I say he has the tools, I mean he has the speed, power, and boxing ability to give Ricky a tough fight.

I think Zab would have a shot to beat Ricky if he wasn't so weak mentally. I think the word "But" was there to have that effect on my original statement...

but he doesnt have the tools then does he.

That would be like saying Ricky has the tools to beat Mayweather, agression, strength, speed, foot work and stamina.

I don't think Zab Judah can beat any top world class fighter anymore.
Especially one who applies as much pressure as Hatton.

Hatton would probably stop Judah late.

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but he doesnt have the tools then does he.

That would be like saying Ricky has the tools to beat Mayweather, agression, strength, speed, foot work and stamina.

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Ok then. Mr. Ricky Hatton would win the fight. Mr. Zab Judah would be competitive. In the end Ricky Hatton would win the fight.

You win Ross. I give up trying to talk to you. I'll make direct statements with no room for error next time.

Oh grow up;D

You said at first that Judah "deffinitly had the tools to beat Hatton"

I think Zab has the tools, he just doesn't take full advantage of them, and mentally drops the ball at crucial times during fights...

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I think Zab has the tools, he just doesn't take full advantage of them, and mentally drops the ball at crucial times during fights...

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That IS a tool though, when you are using the term so generally. Being able to focus on your opponent and pace yourself etc. is so important. Of course Zab Judah is more athletic than Ricky Hatton, hell I have friends that are. It would be like me saying I have all the tools to beat Margarito because I'm faster and more coordinated than he is, I just couldn't take advantage of it. The sheer fact Zab is still around is a huge testament to his athletecism, as he literally is missing the entire mental part of the sport.

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I think Zab has the tools, he just doesn't take full advantage of them, and mentally drops the ball at crucial times during fights...

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That IS a tool though, when you are using the term so generally. Being able to focus on your opponent and pace yourself etc. is so important. Of course Zab Judah is more athletic than Ricky Hatton, hell I have friends that are. It would be like me saying I have all the tools to beat Margarito because I'm faster and more coordinated than he is, I just couldn't take advantage of it. The sheer fact Zab is still around is a huge testament to his athletecism, as he literally is missing the entire mental part of the sport.

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:) I think that was I was saying? Wasn't it.. Anyway, i'm sure we are on the same track... Watching him in fights, you can see that spark at different times throughout, that isn't hard to picture turning into a fire and really getting at his opponents and hurting him.. But his mindset and determination is what would turn that spark into the fire, and it never happens.. So we can watch a fighter that's 90% there and root for him, but it just doesn't happen...
Perhaps we could say Zab is missing the essential tool to beat the opponents who skill & athleticism wise, he is up to...

Like, there are plenty of fights where you say, that guy gave it his all mentally and physically, and just plain old came up short.. But he put everything he had in.... It's hard to finish with that feeling after a Zab loss.. You're left sitting there thinking, if he just did this or that,,, if he took advantage of that thing that he was clearly winning out with in that 3rd round, etc.... You can 'see' how he could have won..... You're not saying, hell he fought his best throughout the whole fight,,, but just came up against someone who was better than him in the end....

Another of the thousands of things that seperates the true remembered legends, from the guys that scrape the top for only a brief time, and spend the rest of the time hanging on trying not to fall..

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Here is an idea for a thread, lets talk about Hatton fighting lite weights & lite welters instead of people that are too big...

That would make a refreshing change :lolololol:

But for the record anyone at 140 for Hatton...

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so your happy for hatton to fight people smaller than him, but zab who is 'bigger' than hatton, thats not acceptable?...ok.

Zab Judah will always be a woulda shoulda coulda fighter.

He is the type of fighter you will never get to enjoy because as soon as he rises he falls. Thats his own problems

He was the undisputed welterweight champion, for one title defense.

Since then he hasn't even been close to it.

Honestly the only way Judah could beat Hatton was if he rocked him early and got his confidence he could hurt him. If Hatton hasn't gone anywhere after the first few rounds then Zab mentally is in trouble.

At 140 though im not sure who is really stronger as Zab has never really been a smothering type of fighter.

He did do a better job at 147 then Hatton did.


The Tszyu that beat Zab Judah would have beaten Ricky Hatton.

People say that Tszyu didn't move Ricky but knocked out Zab.

Mayweather couldn't rock Judah but he knocked out Hatton.

I'd say Zab did better at 147 then 140 but as far as Hatton goes. Its a toss up. I don't think Hatton would outbox him so he would have to go back to the mauling Hatton style.

Damn, I'd give my left arm to see Zab beat Hatton. Would this board ever be a hoot if that happened. LOL