I'm actually very interested in the final numbers Pacquiao/De La Hoya made in PPV Buys last night.
If anyone knows the number, PLEASE post it up!
C'mon Saddoboxer! I know you won't disappoint me!!
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I'm actually very interested in the final numbers Pacquiao/De La Hoya made in PPV Buys last night.
If anyone knows the number, PLEASE post it up!
C'mon Saddoboxer! I know you won't disappoint me!!
The buys will not up for 2 weeks probably...but I am guessing around 650-750,000 buys
About 1.2 max is my guess. Where can you find the official figures then?
I have no clue. I was hoping Saddoboxer hits this thread up cause he is the man when it comes to articles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I think this fight made good numbers. Almost every bar around here was playing the fight and EVERY person I knew even aquaintances were somewhere watching it.
Oscar made a million for fighting Mayorga so It would be massively disappointing if this didn't break make at least double that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moono
Your figure of 650,000 I mean not double the Mayorga, it won't make 2 million but it should make more 1.2 - 1.6 imo
Just found this
Oscar De La Hoya's Pay-Per-View History
1. Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys = $9.9 million
2. Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys = $6.6 million
3. Miguel Angel Gonzalez (1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
4. Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys = $28.8 million
5. Hector Camacho (9/97) 560,000 buys = $22.4 million
6. Wilfredo Rivera (12/97) 240,000 buys = $9.6 million
7. Julio Cesar Chavez II ( 9/98) 525,000 buys = $23.6 million
8. Ike Quartey ( 2/99) 570,000 buys =$25.7 million
9. Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys = $71.4 million
10. Shane Mosley (6/00) 590,000 buys = $29.5 million
11. Javier Castillejo (6/01) 400,000 buys = $16.0 million
12. Fernando Vargas (9/02) 935,000 buys = $47.8 million
13. Yory Boy Campas (5/03) 350,000 buys = $17.5 million
14. Shane Mosley II (9/03) 950,000 buys = $48.4 million
15. Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
16. Bernard Hopkins (9/04) 1 million buys = $56.0 million
17. Ricardo Mayorga (5/06) 935,000 buys = $46.3 million
18. Floyd Mayweather Jr. (5/07) 2.15 million buys = $120.0 million
Looking at those figures you would definitely think a million.
I wonder if the fact that many people thought it was going to be a blowout for Oscar might have hurt the sales figures?
I think whatever they are, they will be a lot lower because people right now are likely quite afraid to spend money due to the economy. And especially on fringe items. And also right before Christmas?
I m guessing that the USA is the majority of this market. Every time I turn on CNN, the job losses are up, the Dow is tanking, home losses and bankruptcies up, sales are expectations are down, fear, fear etc all over the news...
I'm here in Canada, and know personally, everyone I know is scared to spend money, my dad, my grand parents, or have lost a bunch already in investments.
How much of a factor it plays, who knows, but surely it will?
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Originally Posted by C-Lo
We don't have the final PPV numbers yet... It takes weeks to consolidate...
We will have a board meeting within the week and probably we can come up a pretty close estimate of the final number... ;)
So far this was the tracking status just before fight night...
"This isn't an election, but early returns look promising for Saturday night's showdown between Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao (HBO Pay-Per-View, 9 p.m. ET).
Based on early reports from cable companies and DirecTV and Dish Network, the scheduled 12-round welterweight bout could get as many as two million buys, according to Bob Arum, chairman of Top Rank, Inc., the event's co-promoter, said Thursday.
When De La Hoya fought Floyd Mayweather last year, that fight did 2.4 million buys. Buys for this weekend's fight in California are tracking at 90% of what estimates showed for De La Hoya-Mayweather.
"Will that hold for the country? It's like an election. Who the hell knows?" Arum said. "But we know based on those early numbers and based on experience the event will perform extremely well.
If I had to guess, anywhere between 1.6 million and two million homes, which is a home run."
Such projections are surprising because of how poorly the last two HBO PPV shows did. The Oct. 18 matchup with Bernard Hopkins vs. Kelly Pavlik as well as the Nov. 8 meeting between Roy Jones and Joe Calzaghe did less than 250,000 buys."
Yeah, earlier last week, I was estimating 750-800 K. But the buildup really caught on late last week and I started hearing about more parties. I knew A LOT of bars were showing the fight. The media coverage wasn't quite as big as the Mayweather fight but it was really close. I wouldn't be surprised to see at least 1.5 Million.
I hve no idea how this stuff works, but if between 1.6-2 mill in buys, and looking at those other fights bilbo listed, and factoring all things in...I'd say that would be damn good.
While we're waiting for the official figures to come in,,, do you think a Pac v Floyd showdown in 2009 would get more buys than Floyd v Oscar?? As far as a boxing fan I would surely think so.... I was actually a bit off put by the Oscar vs Floyd fight.. Oscar just isn't the motivated fighter that he was during his career when he was on the rise.. It was more of a money making thing to me.. And Floyd again wasn't fighting for a belt or anything and it just didn't seem like it had the heart and passion of fights like Cotto Margarito...
But to the general public, I actually think having Oscar in the Floyd fight will make the general public respond better than a Pac vs Floyd...
Although perhaps that's understimating the general public...
Pac vs Floyd would be absolutely HUGE for me and anyone who knows shit about boxing... Where Oscar's motivation was as much money as anything, I bet if it really came down to it, (and this is in fantasy land), Pac would fight Floyd for free just to be in the same ring and have the chance at adding a win over Floyd Mayweather to his legacy....
I mean, it would have to do more buys than Floyd DLH... They would hype the absolute shit out of it, and so they should! Matchups of genuine P4P number 1 plus P4P number 2 in boxing just comes along maybe every 5 or 10 years, and these are 2 great fighters... Not 10 years past the fact or anything.. Pac is arguably at his absolute Prime, and the weight only looks great and more explosive on him... And who could argue that Floyd has looked bad in ANY of his fights at all.. So by no means could anyone say Pac is getting an easy run of it fighting Floyd in 2009..
$2.5 million should be what the promoters aim for.. Any less and they shoudl be ashamed..
speaking of PPV buys does anybody know how much Cotto vs Margarito did i bought that fight without thinking twice and i imagine any die hard boxing fan would.
This is unofficial from another forum:
"Bob Arum is walking around the office saying the ppv buys are very close to 2 million PPV buys!!! They are still tracking PPV's so nothing is official yet. He said they were expecting 1.5 million so they are pretty excited its around 2million! Numbers should be out by the end of the week..."
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Can anyone find out what the figures are for this big rip-off. I didn't watch it but I bet loads of people where tempted to watch it at last minute.
Also a note regarding Audrey Harrisons last fight.......Harrison please do not get in the ring again....don't ever put on a pair a gloves because you have lost the respect of everyone bar known. Hopefully the new crop of Olympic stars will look upon this sad episode and learn from it. Nobody can think they are bigger than the sport, you have noble men like Oscar De La Hoya, Manny Paquiao and the likes who have won peoples hearts not after 10 fights but after many fights and ask for nothing in return. All we get from you is excuse after excuse and we gave you another chance but still you let us down. What have you done and what have you won...Absolutely nothing!!!!
You have ripped off your public and now please go with whatever pride you have and never darken these shores again....I am very upset and unhappy how you can humilliate yourself time after time. I am a proud English man and I have the utmost respect for any one who gets in the ring but you have pushed the boundaries to a new level and you must stop now before we forget that you did win a GOLD medal and that you did have the skill levels to be a above average heavyweight who probably could have won a title.
I don't need to humilate you any more but I would love to get a big wet fish and slap you across your face to a sound of public apology from you one more time......im awaiting your apology and tell us you will not be putting this mighty country through any more of your embarrassment
Job Biscuit (Win a British title in your 5th fight....ahhhhh)!!!!
eh eh!!
HBO just released the number, and it was 1.25 million.
So Kel, you were pretty close there. ;D
So that makes it the third biggest on the list, huh? beating even the Mosley and Hopkins fights. Not a bad for a fight that was supposed to be a big joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
I'll say & Calzaghe just said boxing is a dying sport. He must be upset his fight with Roy did so poorly.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanSo that makes it the third biggest on the list, huh? beating even the Mosley and Hopkins fights. Not a bad for a fight that was supposed to be a big joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
While Oscar is/was the golden goose with PPV buys, I think Manny vs. Hatton or PBF can do solid PPV #'s too. Maybe not the million mark like Oscar's fights but 500 to 750k is within reach & not bad.
so how much are the fighters purse with the hbo buys?
any1 able to do the caluations?
I really think that a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would do better numbers than 1.25 Million. Don't forget that Mayweather did 850,000 buys fighting Ricky Hatton who was still somewhat of an unknown fighter from an American mainstream standpoint. Let's not forget that only PPV fights involving Tyson, Holyfield, and ODLH have done better numbers than 850,000. Mayweather should be considered a serious draw at this point. Americans hate and love loudmouth yet talented athletes at the same time. The bigger the threat to Mayweather's undefeated record the more fans will tune in. Pacquiao just DEMOLISHED ODLH in front of 1.25 Million pay per view buying viewers. Pacquiao must be considered a household name now. The fight, the talent involved, the styles, and the hype could propel it into megafight status. In my opinion, Pacquiao would waste a shot at BIG TIME money by fighting Hatton. He'd make great money with Hatton because the fight is a big fight overseas, but he'd make even better money and he'd gain A LOT more by fighting Floyd.
1.25M not bad at all... This number still expected to increase a little (maybe up to 1.4M) when all buys will be accounted for...
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
PBF isn't the draw. Hatton and Pacquiao is a much bigger fight. Mayweather isn't very well known nor liked. He wasn't known by the average person until ODH fight. Pac and Hatton have fans, PBF is well known but doesn't have a ton of fans and he doesn't have a crowd pleasing style. Except for hardcore boxing fans most people don't like his style of fighting. PBF couldn't sell out the arena for the Baldomir fight. If he was the draw it wouldn't matter who he fights. That's how it is for ODH, Hatton, Pac.... they fill the seats and sell ppv's no matter what.
PBF isn't that type of personality. He's recognized as supremely talented but not a ppv or seat selling powerhouse.
I think Duddy has a bigger fan base than PBF.
Not bad considering so many people on here thought it would do less than a million, third biggest no heavyweight PPV buy behind ODLH-Trinidad and of course ODLH-PBF.
It will be interesting to see what Floyd's future numbers would be were he to come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgameQuote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
PBF isn't the draw. Hatton and Pacquiao is a much bigger fight. Mayweather isn't very well known nor liked. He wasn't known by the average person until ODH fight. Pac and Hatton have fans, PBF is well known but doesn't have a ton of fans and he doesn't have a crowd pleasing style. Except for hardcore boxing fans most people don't like his style of fighting. PBF couldn't sell out the arena for the Baldomir fight. If he was the draw it wouldn't matter who he fights. That's how it is for ODH, Hatton, Pac.... they fill the seats and sell ppv's no matter what.
PBF isn't that type of personality. He's recognized as supremely talented but not a ppv or seat selling powerhouse.
I think Duddy has a bigger fan base than PBF.
Prior to his fight with Oscar he was generating around 350,000 - 380,000 in buys, then the Oscar fight was massive over 2 million, and 850,000 for Hatton.
You would think that with Manny's scintillating performance against Oscar that every fight fan would love to see Pacquaio vs Mayweather and that such a fight would do at least 1 million in ppv buys, but we really don't know how popular Floyd is.
His win over Oscar, his appearance on Dancing with the Stars, and his brilliant KO of Hatton may well have brought him a whole new bunch of fans.
And Manny must surely be a big star now he's demolished the Golden Boy.
I would bet a fight between the two would break the 1 million mark as its a fight every fight fan in the world would want to see.
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Originally Posted by luvfightgameQuote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
PBF isn't the draw. Hatton and Pacquiao is a much bigger fight. Mayweather isn't very well known nor liked. He wasn't known by the average person until ODH fight. Pac and Hatton have fans, PBF is well known but doesn't have a ton of fans and he doesn't have a crowd pleasing style. Except for hardcore boxing fans most people don't like his style of fighting. PBF couldn't sell out the arena for the Baldomir fight. If he was the draw it wouldn't matter who he fights. That's how it is for ODH, Hatton, Pac.... they fill the seats and sell ppv's no matter what.
PBF isn't that type of personality. He's recognized as supremely talented but not a ppv or seat selling powerhouse.
I think Duddy has a bigger fan base than PBF.
I agree! Mayweather isn't the draw. He was involved in the two biggest fights of 2007 but that was because of Oscar and Hatton. Hatton has tons of fans. Pacquiao has been making records with PPV buys for the lower weight classes with his fights with Morales and second fight with Marquez. If you ask me, Mayweather vs Hatton, Mayweather vs Pacquiao would both generate lots of buys but it's not the name Mayweather, it's because of Pacquiao and Hatton.
Yeah I agree, I think Floyd vs. Manny could do very well based on the fact they became bigger stars after beating Oscar. I wonder if PBF's fight with Hatton did well due to Hatton? Did American fight fans really know Hatton that well to tune in because of him or was it 2 unbeaten fighters & Floyd having just been on Dancing with the Stars, in addition to his having beaten Oscar earlier that year?Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboIt will be interesting to see what Floyd's future numbers would be were he to come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgameQuote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
PBF isn't the draw. Hatton and Pacquiao is a much bigger fight. Mayweather isn't very well known nor liked. He wasn't known by the average person until ODH fight. Pac and Hatton have fans, PBF is well known but doesn't have a ton of fans and he doesn't have a crowd pleasing style. Except for hardcore boxing fans most people don't like his style of fighting. PBF couldn't sell out the arena for the Baldomir fight. If he was the draw it wouldn't matter who he fights. That's how it is for ODH, Hatton, Pac.... they fill the seats and sell ppv's no matter what.
PBF isn't that type of personality. He's recognized as supremely talented but not a ppv or seat selling powerhouse.
I think Duddy has a bigger fan base than PBF.
Prior to his fight with Oscar he was generating around 350,000 - 380,000 in buys, then the Oscar fight was massive over 2 million, and 850,000 for Hatton.
You would think that with Manny's scintillating performance against Oscar that every fight fan would love to see Pacquaio vs Mayweather and that such a fight would do at least 1 million in ppv buys, but we really don't know how popular Floyd is.
His win over Oscar, his appearance on Dancing with the Stars, and his brilliant KO of Hatton may well have brought him a whole new bunch of fans.
And Manny must surely be a big star now he's demolished the Golden Boy.
I would bet a fight between the two would break the 1 million mark as its a fight every fight fan in the world would want to see.
Floyd is a draw. I don't even see why this is a discussion. Even if Manny and Oscar happened last year, there's no way it was doing 2.4 Million Buys. ODLH - Hopkins: 1 Million Buys, ODLH - Mayorga: 925K Buys, ODLH-Mayweather: 2.4 MILLION BUYS!!!! That's proof that Mayweather is a draw right there. Yeah, the draw in that fight was ODLH but Floyd proved that he's a draw too because they did almost double the numbers that ODLH vs Trinidad did.
Yall are mistaking having a fanbase with being a draw. Mayweather was clearly the draw in the US for the Hatton fight because Hatton never had been on pay per view and US fans were just learning about him. In the states, Mayweather had to be the draw to do anywhere near 850,000K buys in the US. Let's not forget that Mayweather was still doing a respectable 350K just for fighting Baldomir. Mayweather isn't a draw because of fanbase. He's a draw because of controversy, media coverage, his talent, and the mystique of his undefeated record. If you put him in the right situation where the matchup is good and he's facing someone who the public perceives has a shot at beating him then the fight will sell. And the public likes fights where it seems like the two fighters can't stand each other, and where there's a hero and villian. Mayweather is the definition of a villian and Pacquiao is the definition of a hero. Never in any fight will a hero and villian be more defined than Mayweather vs Pacquiao. I equate Floyd Mayweather's type of popularity to Terrell Owens in the US. Some people CAN'T STAND him, some people can't enough of him, but no matter what, he's different from almost everyone else in his sport, the media can't get enough of him because it gives them something a little different to cover, and whether you love him or hate him, you're the one watching him during primetime.
Mayweather - ODLH: 2.4 Million US PPV Buys (shatters the PPV record on the weekend that Spiderman 3 comes out)
Mayweather - Hatton: 850K US PPV Buys (only fights involving Tyson and ODLH have had more buys)
To say that US fans bought PPV to the tune of 850K to see Hatton, a fighter that most Americans knew nothing about, is fucking idiotic. Mayweather sold that fight in the US and Hatton sold that fight in the UK.
They could also play up the patriotic angle if they chose: "Pacman destroyed America's Golden Boy, will he go right through Pretty Boy too?"
(I know Floyd goes by Money now but whatever, Hearns was both the Hitman & Motor City Cobra too)
PBF v. Pacquiao wouldn't sell as much as Hatton v. Pacquiao unless it happens after Pacquiao beat Hatton and Pad had increased his name recognition.
Exactly, these guys are talking as though the British fans had a say in the 850'000 HBO figure. Those are U.S numbers where I imagine most people couldn't give 2 shits about Ricky Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
Also the Oscar fight - If Mayweather was such a weak draw how did his fight with Oscar beat the Trinidad/Oscar fight? (By a country mile)
Floyd is a draw..even if only for people wanting to see him get beat.
floyd oscar fight got so many more because of oscar, so i wouldnt expect pac mayweather to do that well prob abt 1 millQuote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
whats the biggest PPV fight of all time?
Oscar Mayweather in May 2.4M buysQuote:
Originally Posted by Drago
I'm not saying Floyd isn't a draw. I'm just saying that Hatton and Pacquiao are more popular than him. Other than Floyd vs Hatton and Floyd vs De La Hoya, what kind of numbers did he put up?
Hatton, I have no clue what his numbers are, but I know the Pacquiao/Morales trilogy and the Pacquiao/Marquez II did big numbers..
gatti and zab did good numbers i think. but other than that i dont know:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
I got bored. I did some research. Prior to both men fighting Oscar De La Hoya, these are the PPV numbers they posted up:Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkgatti and zab did good numbers i think. but other than that i dont know:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
Pacquiao vs Morales I: 350,000
Pacquiao vs Morales II: 360,000
Pacquiao vs Morales III: 350,000
Pacquiao vs Barrera II: 350,000 (Estimated)
Pacquiao vs Marquez: 400,000
Pacquiao vs Diaz: 250,000 (Estimated)
Manny also fought Larios and Solis via Top Rank independent PPV. I doubt those fights did big enough numbers cause I couldn't find the buys on the internet.
Mayweather vs Gatti: 365,000
Mayweather vs Judah: 350,000
Mayweather vs Baldomir: 325,000
There were also a couple articles that talked about PPV numbers reaching new heights for the lower weight classes since the Pacquiao vs Morales Trilogy. Historically, Welterweights and up got all the PPV popularity. Pac, Morales, Marquez, and Barrera helped with the emergence of the "lighter weight classes."
One thing led to another, here are some other significant lower weight class fight numbers:
Barrera vs Marquez: 225,000
Barrera vs Hamed: 310,000
Barrera vs Morales II: Between 300,000-325,000
CONCLUSION: Pacquiao and Mayweather are both draws.