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It's always fun to speculate - who would you favor in a Pavlik v. Froch fight.
Far from happening, but in this Joe Calzaghe and Carl Froch Trade Plenty of Insults - Boxing News article, Froch mentions that Pavlik is interested in fighting him.
It may be an interesting match-up.
Definetly an interesting matchup... .Really a complete pick em for me... If Froch could take Pavlik's right hand alright then he'd probably win by TKO if not he'd lose early. Have no idea though, Pascal was able to hurt him a little I'm definetly not sold on him being able to take Pavlik's power and Kelly is the more technically sound puncher if nothing else, he'll proably be the first to land big.
Froch winner, Pavlik should stay at middleweight.
The right hand would be there any time for Pavlik.
Pavlik wins, a real beat down I suspect.
Ahh... come on...Froch was so easy to hit against Pascal...and you can be sure that Pavlik will have a higher workrate and won't get tired after half the fight...Now if this fight happens and if Pavlik wasn't psychologically damaged by the Hopins beat down...then Pavlik by UD or late TKO...
Anything could happen, I guess, Pavlik's not the best defensive fighter, technically he could get caught I guess (even so Froch's power seems to be a bit of a myth) but overall this is an easy fight to predict. Not Jones-Calzaghe easy (nothing's that easy) but still not a difficult fight to call.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
Well...lets agree on a more or less easy win for Pavlik...Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanAnything could happen, I guess, Pavlik's not the best defensive fighter, technically he could get caught I guess (even so Froch's power seems to be a bit of a myth) but overall this is an easy fight to predict. Not Jones-Calzaghe easy (nothing's that easy) but still not a difficult fight to call.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
I'm not sold on Pavlik at anything other than middleweight yet. He needs to prove that his punching power carries into the higher weight classes. His loss could have been more reflective on Bernard's genius than his own limitations, but it could mean he just isn't as effective when fighting bigger opponents. Then again, throughout most of his career Hopkins was a middleweight.
Let's see how he performs in his next fight.
I think Pavlik should stop d**king around at SMW. He is his strongest at 160 and looks like he could dominate it like the past greats have. I haven't seen to much of Froch except what you can find on youtube and I really don't see anything great about him. So I really couldn't say but I would go with Pavlik.
Froch to me just comes across very calzaghe/kessler esque in which the tougher the opposition the more he can raise his game.
Make no mistake pascal hurt him, but i can name endless occasions where calzaghe was hurt earlier in his career.
Either way i see froch dominating and earning a points win as pavlik can definitely take a punch (as was shown in the hopkins fight)
this would actually be I fight I'd love to see, not sure what Pavlik would be like at Smiddle but he'd have no problem finding Frochs chin, has potential to be a fight of the year, I recon either one could stop the other, hopefully they get it on in the future!
well neither of them has good defense but il still give it to Pavlik.
I don't think Froch is the best technically, then again nor do I think Pavlik is a great technical fighter either. Froch has NEVER been down as an amateur or pro but in Pavlik he will be meeting a guy who hits harder than any fighter he has faced before. I go Froch simply because I think his chin is more reliable plus I think the Hopkins defeat has really hit Pavlik hard. It's not that Hopkins battered Pavlik, it's more that he out-fought, out-classed him for 12 rounds solid, which in a way is WORSE than getting knocked out. You can put KO defeat down to the fact that you just got caught cold, or with a lucky punch but a one-sided points defeat is much harder to write off.
Froch is tough and game and shows no expression on his face. You never know if he's hurt and keeps on coming. Taylor arguably should have taken out by Pavlik in the 2nd round of their 1st fight and Froch hits harder than Taylor. All in all it's a fight that could well happen, but Pavlik isn’t a super middleweight. He has shown in the Taylor rematch and the Hopkins fight that he is the type of fighter than can only really be effective at one weight. But the fight (if it happened) would most likely be made at S.Middleweight. Hence because of this I go BIG on Froch to stop or knock him out within 6 rounds.
Could be an interesting fight in which Froch would be a dangerous underdog but I still prefer to see Froch vs Andrade/Bika and Pavlik vs Abraham/Williams. This fight could generate another vacant title.
I think Pavlik wins,I can't really see how you can compare Taylor's power to Froch's, Froch hasn't really foughten anybody, and Pascal has been hurt pretty easily, and Froch couldn'd take him out. I see Pavlik being the bigger, stronger man with better skills, power, and more important FRoch is way too wide open for Pavlik's power.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200
Hard to see what's next for Froch, Taylor seems out of the question after reading the BBC, Hennessey reckons Carl should get a 70/30 split in his favour as champ, Taylor won't take that.
Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.
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Originally Posted by skel1983Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.
You gotta be crazy if you think Taylor and Calzaghe would beat Froch easy, there's no way, just no way.
Throw Kessler in there aswell, Froch is to slow and open for a boxer or someone who is to fast with good footwork, Froch Andrade is the fight we should be asking for that would be a belter and one which i think is 50/50.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.
You gotta be crazy if you think Taylor and Calzaghe would beat Froch easy, there's no way, just no way.
Froch is not world class and is a prick to go with it, and apparently Calzaghe has to get in line to fight him LMAO!!!!
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Originally Posted by skel1983Throw Kessler in there aswell, Froch is to slow and open for a boxer or someone who is to fast with good footwork, Froch Andrade is the fight we should be asking for that would be a belter and one which i think is 50/50.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
You gotta be crazy if you think Taylor and Calzaghe would beat Froch easy, there's no way, just no way.
Froch is not world class and is a prick to go with it, and apparently Calzaghe has to get in line to fight him LMAO!!!!
recorded bunces hour and havent seen it yet but if true im quite sure Froch is smart enough to have made these comments as tongue in cheek :o
From when he`s commentated for ITV before he comes across as an extremely knowlegable boxing man who knows the game like the back of his hand and what to expect.
Certainly deserves a lot of credit for his performance saturday which although technically lacking at times showed he really does have the heart to make it big time!!
Pavlik would hammer Froch.
What's with all this Froch hype? He went life and death with Jean Pascal for fucks sake and now he's world class all of a sudden. The guy's got potential, but he's proven very little so far. Pavlik is a known commodity, I'd pick him all day.
I still think there was something wrong with Kelly in the Bhop fight.
Bhop earned the win, and used angles well and put on a world class performance...but Pavlik looked all wrong in there, and even going in. I think he was ill, as some sources have said. Bronchitis?
I still think Hopkins would hav won...cuz, damn...he was ready, willing and able, just for the record.
I'm also am hoping Pavlik has learned from that, and has tried to incorporate more lateral movement into his fighting game plan. Cuz it needs it.
Oh...and yes, Pavlik beats Froch senseless.
Pavlik by brutal beatdown in 6 - 7 rounds.
Heart isn't enough to make you good.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Throw Kessler in there aswell, Froch is to slow and open for a boxer or someone who is to fast with good footwork, Froch Andrade is the fight we should be asking for that would be a belter and one which i think is 50/50.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200
Froch is not world class and is a prick to go with it, and apparently Calzaghe has to get in line to fight him LMAO!!!!
recorded bunces hour and havent seen it yet but if true im quite sure Froch is smart enough to have made these comments as tongue in cheek :o
From when he`s commentated for ITV before he comes across as an extremely knowlegable boxing man who knows the game like the back of his hand and what to expect.
Certainly deserves a lot of credit for his performance saturday which although technically lacking at times showed he really does have the heart to make it big time!!
Look at Gatti, he had all the heart in the world but against top boxers he was a human punching bag.
If this fight happens nothing would surprise me. Both have major limitations. My opinion of Froch has always been that he was a great amatuer, but his defence is not good enough at World Level as a pro. It's too late for him to change his style now, so basically it's a matter of time before he gets KOed, because you simply can't get hit that often and keep going. You only have to look at his face to see how bad his defence is. I could see Froch stopping Pavlick though - but wouldn't be surprised if the opposite happended.
Maybe I'm alone here but I think Froch vs Jermain Taylor would be a good one
The sad thing is Bunce and Mcuigan are humouring him and encouraging him. Before saturday the question was whether or not he was good enough to beat a fellow C-level fighter. He was, but only just. Now of course, even if you've yet to fight at world level, it's possible to have an incling what you would do - and judging by Froch's awful defence and severly over rated power the answer is 'not that much'.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.
He is a good fighter, but not elite. Joe, Mikkel and jermain you'd expect would school Andrade, yet Froch would have to go life and death since he can't avoid a punch to save his life. No wonder Joe gets annoyed when morons like Bunce make these claims that he should fight him. He has nothing left to prove, except maybe against Hopins, but certainly not against Froch.
I think Taylor beats Froch. Kessler and Pavlik definitely would.I didn't think too much of Pascal but Froch was entertaining and he won. Now that he's in world class I think an entertaining Froch defeat is just around the corner.
I thought Calzaghe's comments toward Froch were petty and spiteful.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompThe sad thing is Bunce and Mcuigan are humouring him and encouraging him. Before saturday the question was whether or not he was good enough to beat a fellow C-level fighter. He was, but only just. Now of course, even if you've yet to fight at world level, it's possible to have an incling what you would do - and judging by Froch's awful defence and severly over rated power the answer is 'not that much'.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.
He is a good fighter, but not elite. Joe, Mikkel and jermain you'd expect would school Andrade, yet Froch would have to go life and death since he can't avoid a punch to save his life. No wonder Joe gets annoyed when morons like Bunce make these claims that he should fight him. He has nothing left to prove, except maybe against Hopins, but certainly not against Froch.
Of course beating Froch will do NOTHING for his standing in world boxing. But don't start with the shit-talk "i'd ko him in 3-4 rounds" and then make it even WORSE by copying Ricky Hatton's excuses "why should i give him a payday" :rolleyes:
Maybe he was having a bad day.. although he's got a decent record of putting his foot in his mouth too.
I'm not willing to write Froch off so quickly. Yes his defense is bad, but he seems tough and has good stamina. He may not be a favorite against Kessler, Taylor or Pavlik, but I think he has a shot against them.
I was not disappointed from his fight against Pascal. I was more surprised that Pascal seemed to be better than I thought and fought the fight of his life. Both of them earned my respect in that fight even though it was sloppy at times.
I don't think Froch hits as hard as advertised, but he is far from being a pushover.
But he has had to put up with years of similar stuff from Froch, like the five million quid "offer" which was obvious bollocks. Froch has used Calzaghe pretty effectively over the past few years to get himself publicity, you can understand Calzaghe being pissed off with the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI thought Calzaghe's comments toward Froch were petty and spiteful.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompThe sad thing is Bunce and Mcuigan are humouring him and encouraging him. Before saturday the question was whether or not he was good enough to beat a fellow C-level fighter. He was, but only just. Now of course, even if you've yet to fight at world level, it's possible to have an incling what you would do - and judging by Froch's awful defence and severly over rated power the answer is 'not that much'.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
He is a good fighter, but not elite. Joe, Mikkel and jermain you'd expect would school Andrade, yet Froch would have to go life and death since he can't avoid a punch to save his life. No wonder Joe gets annoyed when morons like Bunce make these claims that he should fight him. He has nothing left to prove, except maybe against Hopins, but certainly not against Froch.
Of course beating Froch will do NOTHING for his standing in world boxing. But don't start with the shit-talk "i'd ko him in 3-4 rounds" and then make it even WORSE by copying Ricky Hatton's excuses "why should i give him a payday" :rolleyes:
Maybe he was having a bad day.. although he's got a decent record of putting his foot in his mouth too.
I don't get it honestly, granted I'm not a fan but I don't think that's coloring my opinion of him, there are plenty of fighters who I don't really like who I think are good/great.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
People are way too down on Pavlik because of the Hopkins fight, Pavlik just can't deal with a guy like that, maybe he's not elite but he's still a good champion. Imagine what Hopkins would do to Froch? Talk about clueless.
I just don't see anything special, besides his chin, which is taking on almost mythic qualities even though its never been tested by anyone remotely as strong as Pavlik, what is there special about him? Skills, no, speed, no, power, no.
I'm posting way too much about Froch, I think I'm becoming annoyed by the hype which is senseless, obviously my views are clear as it is ;D
I hate that he used that payday thing, cos it's the stupidest excuse Hatton ever made. Joe didn't need to say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI thought Calzaghe's comments toward Froch were petty and spiteful.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompThe sad thing is Bunce and Mcuigan are humouring him and encouraging him. Before saturday the question was whether or not he was good enough to beat a fellow C-level fighter. He was, but only just. Now of course, even if you've yet to fight at world level, it's possible to have an incling what you would do - and judging by Froch's awful defence and severly over rated power the answer is 'not that much'.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
He is a good fighter, but not elite. Joe, Mikkel and jermain you'd expect would school Andrade, yet Froch would have to go life and death since he can't avoid a punch to save his life. No wonder Joe gets annoyed when morons like Bunce make these claims that he should fight him. He has nothing left to prove, except maybe against Hopins, but certainly not against Froch.
Of course beating Froch will do NOTHING for his standing in world boxing. But don't start with the shit-talk "i'd ko him in 3-4 rounds" and then make it even WORSE by copying Ricky Hatton's excuses "why should i give him a payday" :rolleyes:
Maybe he was having a bad day.. although he's got a decent record of putting his foot in his mouth too.
Like the others said, I think he's just genuinely annoyed at all the Froch questions. Joe is legitimat top 2 p4p fighter of the world, and he gets aked about fucking Froch in every single interview, when perhaps he'd prefer to just talk about more relevant stuff like his retirement.
The Pascal victory was a less convincing performance against a lower quality fighter than when Joe beat Eubank, yet people weren't harrassing Roy Jones none stop for the next week about fighting joe back then, and rightly so cos they were no where near the same stages in their respective careers at that time.