ODLH vs JC Chavez jr.?...Iiiiiiiiiii dunno

I was reading a blog from Dan Rafael at ESPN.com and it talks quite nice about ODLH. It's a bit refreshing to read a boxing expert finally saying something positive about ODLH after everybody throws all kinds of crap at him. But he mentions a possibility of ODLH facing JC Chavez Jr. before really calling it quits.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3762483&name=rafael_dan
If his fight against Pac AT LEAST finished with a questionable desicion then maybe I could imagine seeing him fight one more time but he showed that he just didn’t have it anymore. Even if he fought a total journeyman I can see him going through the same path Tyson went through on his las 2 or 3 fights.
Before, people thought Oscar would totally walk over JC Chavez Jr., how about now? After seeing how he didn't throw punches in his last fight, no lateral movements, no cutting the corners, no speed, no left hook, NO NOTHING then I am not so sure about him facing Chavez Jr. or ANYBODY out there.
Please Oscar, no more fights. Your admirable accomplishments are already HARD TO BEAT. I can't see any boxer out there coming close to accomplishing all you did. Let's leave it like that.

If he fights again it'll be at 154+lbs and he'll say at 147 he was too weak, too drained. A fight with Chavez Jr would thrust him into the spotlight and Golden Boy would either become his promoter or promote his next few fights. I'd much rather see Chavez Jr fight Ronnie Hearns.

Killface,
I always find it interesting to see Jrs facing each other with their fathers at the corner :cool:.

Chavez Jr. beating ODLH would not only be a career builder, regardles of ODLH being passed his prime, but also some sort of redemption for Chavez Sr. And if ODLH beat Chavez Jr., oh man, wouldn't that be painful for not only his father but also lots of Mexican fans hahaha! ODLH beating father and son, just doesn't sound right hahaha!

Aside from going out on a win, what does ODH have to gain from this fight? His legacy is secure (despite what some people might think) - he is, or should be, well respected for always wanting to fight the best. He's a multi-division champ, etc., etc. Losing to Chavez Jr. would only tarnish the end of his great career.

Aside from his name, Chavez Jr. brings nothing to the table.

ODH should retire.

Oscar looked shot against pac. but i think it could be different against JCC jr. i doubt this will happen anyway

i think oscar beats jr. jr will be there to be hit but he will have a good payday as consolation.

it's always nice to go out on a winning note.

I think he should make sure he is shot, and fight JCC Jr. He should let himself get turned into burger meat at the hands of Jr. The reason being he has been accused of taking advantage of an aging legend when he beat Sr. He should do to Jr. what Sr. did for Oscar, and that is be his catapult to stardom. He had a chance against Manny to prove all his naysayers wrong, and prove he was a warrior, but instead he quit on his stool without going to the canvass in the fight. He can win over all the Mexican boxing fans who don't like him for what he did to JCC, and because they don't think he is a Mexican warrior. I think he could change some of their minds with a big loss to JCC where he actually fights through a little blood.

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Originally Posted by Ky7le

I think he should make sure he is shot, and fight JCC Jr. He should let himself get turned into burger meat at the hands of Jr. The reason being he has been accused of taking advantage of an aging legend when he beat Sr. He should do to Jr. what Sr. did for Oscar, and that is be his catapult to stardom. He had a chance against Manny to prove all his naysayers wrong, and prove he was a warrior, but instead he quit on his stool without going to the canvass in the fight. He can win over all the Mexican boxing fans who don't like him for what he did to JCC, and because they don't think he is a Mexican warrior. I think he could change some of their minds with a big loss to JCC where he actually fights through a little blood.

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Ky7le,
The story could help a bit to sell the fight. I mean, ODLH beating an old Chavez Sr. and then have a young Chavez Jr. face an old ODLH, eh? Heheheh!

CHF,
That's right. I don't see how fighting Chavez Jr would do him any good.

Kingfrnk,
He did look shot, worned out, drained, past his prime, etc. Not sure how he would look against Chavez Jr. Chavez Sr. has mentioned in past interviews that he would like to have ODLH face Chavez Jr.

Kkisser,
Always good to leave with a victory and maybe ODLH was expecting that vs Pac. Went pretty bad.

If ODLH can't beat JC Jr then god help him is all i'll say.

i dont think anybody really wanna see oscar in with anyone anymore, not after what pac did to him.

jcc jr will get ko'ed by someone unknown sooner or later, oscar doing it to him wont help mexico at all.

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i dont think anybody really wanna see oscar in with anyone anymore, not after what pac did to him.

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I know. People had their doubts with Oscar since the Forbes fight or even before as it was clear that he was past his prime. I am all for ODLH but I just wouldn't want to see him in the ring again after seeing how rusty he looked in his last fight, even against Forbes.

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jcc jr will get ko'ed by someone unknown sooner or later, oscar doing it to him wont help mexico at all.

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Sure, I can see JCC Jr. loosing anytime. I wish the people around him put him in the amateurs first, have some olympic exposure, etc. And Oscar beating him just won't earn him any fans with Mexico:rolleyes:. Imagine, ODLH beating both father and son, ouch!

I think it's not a bad idea. Chavez Jr. hasn't been in with a big name yet and what better name than the guy that retired his father. I think Oscar can win this one. 154 is a different story, I think 147 did it's damage on Oscar.

Two words . . . .Who cares?

I wouldn't want to see this at all. I don't really know what either would gain from this. . .ok, nineteen words.

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Originally Posted by DC Amateur Boxing

Two words . . . .Who cares?

I wouldn't want to see this at all. I don't really know what either would gain from this. . .ok, nineteen words.

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Anybody beating an old worned out big name passed his prime is a great way to build their resumes and look like the greatest thing out there so it would be quite good for Chavez Jr:rolleyes:.

I would love to see Jnr beat ODH, as long as it is on free. A farewell fight for all the poor people who cannot view the high prices of PPV. :)

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Originally Posted by CFH

Aside from going out on a win, what does ODH have to gain from this fight? His legacy is secure (despite what some people might think) - he is, or should be, well respected for always wanting to fight the best. He's a multi-division champ, etc., etc. Losing to Chavez Jr. would only tarnish the end of his great career.

Aside from his name, Chavez Jr. brings nothing to the table.

ODH should retire.

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He has more money to gain. It would still do good numbers and could easily be promoted as Chavez jr trying to avenge his fathers loss. I think it is a dumb fight for legacy, but makes sense financially.

I dont think Oscar can look any worse than he did against Pac. If he fights again it better be at 154 against a slower fighter. His reflexes cant handle a speedy fighter who throws a lot of punches. Im not so sure he can handle any fighter that throws a lot of punches anymore. Floyd, Hopkins, Forbes, all fought a patient fight. Oscar can only play a slow game of chess at this point in his career. I hope he retires, but Id understand if he wants to go out better than he did.

I hope not......Can't imagine what was going through his mind against Pac....heartbreaking to watch my hero get done over like that. I hope he stops for his health the last thing I want to see is The Golden Boy with Brain damage.

Probably over reacting...But why take the risk and find out you really are shot by fighting again and Risking that type of injury.

DLH should retire. I have been harsh on him here, but Pac gave him a beat down and he got the seeing too he needed. I dont need to see anybody else do it to him.

He has money, recognition and his family. And he may very well turn over a pretty sum as a lingerie model as a sideline.

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Originally Posted by Tins06

I hope not......Can't imagine what was going through his mind against Pac....heartbreaking to watch my hero get done over like that. I hope he stops for his health the last thing I want to see is The Golden Boy with Brain damage.

Probably over reacting...But why take the risk and find out you really are shot by fighting again and Risking that type of injury.

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it wouldn't be that much of a risk if oscar fights jcc jr. especially at 154. having that pac fight as his last, i don't think he'll be able to live that down.

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Originally Posted by CFH

Aside from going out on a win, what does ODH have to gain from this fight? His legacy is secure (despite what some people might think) - he is, or should be, well respected for always wanting to fight the best. He's a multi-division champ, etc., etc. Losing to Chavez Jr. would only tarnish the end of his great career.

Aside from his name, Chavez Jr. brings nothing to the table.

ODH should retire.

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He has more money to gain. It would still do good numbers and could easily be promoted as Chavez jr trying to avenge his fathers loss. I think it is a dumb fight for legacy, but makes sense financially.

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Obviously he would earn some money, but I'm sure ODH has plenty of money. Regardless of his part-time boxing career, he's making a fortune with his promotional company.

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All of Oscar's strengths were missing in action against Pac,his feet were flatter then pancakes,his jab was non-existent.
Getting tore up by Junior, a guy who has yet to prove he really has "it" would only tarnish his reputation.
And from what I saw against PAC,thats what would happen.
Oscar should go in to training,and keep counting the money

I dont think the weight matters,His reflexes looked numd.Seeing spots but uncertain and he looks like he is thinking about things instead of coming natural anymore.Needs to get out,unlike alot that might Need (?) to hang on ,The man as an entire profitable present & future in buisness.Time to go already.The only thing that I can see him fighting again for is Ego/pride....does not want to go out like that.

I am hoping Oscar retires but if its gonna be against Jr..so be it. Bring it on. If its at 154..I say Oscar can still whoop a 'son of a legend'. this time JCC Sr. and his fanbase can't whine and bash Oscar about not being a real mexican. If they call themselves the 'real mexicans' I hope Jr. gets his ass kick bigtime. This fight I think would be a vindication for Oscar. He'll prove it not to the Chavez's fan base but to the whole world by beating the baby of a legend that cries like a baby.

At least JCC Superstar is a legend and not a manufactured fighter who is 0-5 against future hall of famer's.

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Originally Posted by miles

DLH should retire. I have been harsh on him here, but Pac gave him a beat down and he got the seeing too he needed. I dont need to see anybody else do it to him.

He has money, recognition and his family. And he may very well turn over a pretty sum as a lingerie model as a sideline.

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Aside from all the negativity that can be said about him, what do you think about his achievements, resume, investments, his style during his prime, etc.?