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I Love Boxing But....
..you gotta hand it to the UFC. I mean this months PPV is stacked, and boxing really should take it into consideration. Here's just some of the Fights on the December 27th card.
Main Event
Forrest Griffen VS. Rashad Evans For the UFC Lightheavyweight title
Undercard
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Vs. Frank Mir (PPV MAIN EVENTER IN IT'S OWN RIGHT)
Wanderlei Silva Vs. Quinton Jackson (SAME THING GOES AS THE FIGHT ABOVE)
Cheick Kongo Vs. Mustapha Al-Turk (Kongo is an awesome athlete)
Yushin Okami Vs. Dean Lister (Lister is always entertaining)
Matt Hamill Vs. Reese Andy (Hamill is all action)
all boxing promotion companies need to take a little action and step it up
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Like the last Lesnar fight, maybe we should get Hulk Hogan in the ring with Klitschko, maybe that would help with sales.
On a serious note, the top guys in boxing ppv don't really want to share the revenue with 8-10 other bigt names on the same night, and also there's the problem with promoters which UFC doesn't have. Of course, something people really don't often mention is that the UFC itself is just one big promotional company, and their champions don't always represent the best in MMA.
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THe UFC can do this because they have a monopoly on MMA in the US. That is why the top fighters make only 200k for a huge PPV fight.
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Top Rank or Golden Boy could easily do the same...both own most the top talent in bocing
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THe UFC can do this because they have a monopoly on MMA in the US. That is why the top fighters make only 200k for a huge PPV fight.
Yeah & I wonder when top MMA guys are going to start demanding more money with boxing like #'s? Coutre & Tito Ortiz have already had their issues with Dana White & there could be more battles like that ahead.
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pooooooooint is lol....
boxing needs to put on better cards, and not just great main events
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I like both sport, I have no problem with people who likes one or the other only.
I think the reason why boxing dont put on events like the ufc is because boxers that headline the main event has a whole lot more followers then any individual mma fighter.
I got to hand it to mma fighters though, they love to fight and it doesn't matter if the whole night is about them. They just get ready back stage, get in line and wait their turn to fight.
I also dont have any problems with boxings undercard, I like to watch prospect or unknown fighters before the big event. The excitement is you never know what a boxer is going to bring and if his really the next big thing to headline a boxing ppv event.
I think boxing main event is truly an EVENT, and UFC is just the last fight of the night. If you look closely the arena are full until the main event unlike mma its full from start to finish. Plus boxing is more likely to last longer for 12 rounds 3 minutes each round. MMA needs more fight, they can't do like boxing does cause most fights are so short.
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How many boxing PPV's are there in a year
How many UFC's
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Those are great matchups? IMO the talent pool isnt as deep so you have alot of the same guys fighting the same guys just rotating. I'm just sick of the UFC trying every 5 seconds to talk smack about boxing. Its like they are fighting over the same market and instead of just doing their thing and impressing people with exciting fights, they have to talk shit. Just because every fucking boxing card isnt stacked? I've watched some pretty shitty MMA cards too it goes both ways.
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Fukk the UFC. Shitt is and always will be inferior to Boxing. Boxing is the harder sport. Being great in it actually means some thing. Anybody can do the UFC. Look at there heavyweight situation. Former pro wrestler Brock Leshner is the champ. Now I got nothing against Leshner. I seen him fight. He's a legit bad ass. But his record going into the championship fight was 2-1. The champion he beat was 16-9. Can you imagine that shiit ever taking place in Boxing? A championship fight between a 16-9 champ and 2-1 challenger being a big PPV event? Come on now
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
Fukk the UFC. Shitt is and always will be inferior to Boxing. Boxing is the harder sport. Being great in it actually means some thing. Anybody can do the UFC. Look at there heavyweight situation. Former pro wrestler Brock Leshner is the champ. Now I got nothing against Leshner. I seen him fight. He's a legit bad ass. But his record going into the championship fight was 2-1. The champion he beat was 16-9. Can you imagine that shiit ever taking place in Boxing? A championship fight between a 16-9 champ and 2-1 challenger being a big PPV event? Come on now
One problem with boxing is padded records. 16-9 is understandable if you have extremely competitive matchups. No most boxers will be fed 16 or 17 fighters with that 2-1 record before they even fight a competitive fight.
I agree with you about 2-1 though. Overall there is much more even matchups in the UFC.
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
Fukk the UFC. Shitt is and always will be inferior to Boxing. Boxing is the harder sport. Being great in it actually means some thing. Anybody can do the UFC. Look at there heavyweight situation. Former pro wrestler Brock Leshner is the champ. Now I got nothing against Leshner. I seen him fight. He's a legit bad ass. But his record going into the championship fight was 2-1. The champion he beat was 16-9. Can you imagine that shiit ever taking place in Boxing? A championship fight between a 16-9 champ and 2-1 challenger being a big PPV event? Come on now
Yeah as opposed to a 32-0 boxer who has beaten 31 bums being ppv. :p
Ok he shouldn't have got a shot after 3 fights but there are more losses because there are more competitive matches and less ducking.
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
Fukk the UFC. Shitt is and always will be inferior to Boxing. Boxing is the harder sport. Being great in it actually means some thing. Anybody can do the UFC. Look at there heavyweight situation. Former pro wrestler Brock Leshner is the champ. Now I got nothing against Leshner. I seen him fight. He's a legit bad ass. But his record going into the championship fight was 2-1. The champion he beat was 16-9. Can you imagine that shiit ever taking place in Boxing? A championship fight between a 16-9 champ and 2-1 challenger being a big PPV event? Come on now
Yeah as opposed to a 32-0 boxer who has beaten 31 bums being ppv. :p
Ok he shouldn't have got a shot after 3 fights but there are more losses because there are more competitive matches and less ducking.
first of all don't get me wrong i pick boxing over MMA 9 times out of 10, but you can't be blind that boxing is constantly trying to force mediocre undercards with a decent mainevent, and there are already signs that boxing is starting to feel the pressure which is mainly evident with the 3 Vazquez/Marquez fights, all were on regular Showtime, instead of being thrown onto PPV, and now fights like Hopkins/Calzaghe, Hatton/Malignaggi, Margarito/Mosley are on regular HBO, and also now the one making the biggest attempt to make a stacked fight card worth on being on PPV is Top Rank with their proposed summer 2009 card in Madison Square Garden, undercard being, Ivan Calderon Vs. Ulisis Solis, Juanma Lopez Vs. Raphael Marquez or Israel Vazquez (if he gets past Penalosa), and the main event being Miguel Cotto Vs. Antonio Margarito II, that's a stacked card
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The nfl schedule coming up is packed with great games too.....so what ufc and boxing are different sports the comparisons between the two are funny. The ufc i'm sure has great bouts and it's doing it's thing and that's fine but i don't care who they have fighting i would never watch, and that is no way a knock on those who do, hell i don't like cricket or the wwe either and just like mma or whatever i don't see what that has to do with boxing. Futbol vs football don't get compared every other week just as silly imo.
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I agree this UFC is better value than recent boxing events . Oscar - Pac was a predictable farce and the undercard sucked. UFC could have made a couple of ppvs from these matches but theyve given the real xmas treat . I cant wait !
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This is mixed martial arts. I loved boxing. but it's just another discipline. Does a boxer beats an MMA fighter. If it's a standup without kicking fight..Yes. But do I think boxers are the better athletes. Hell no. ain't even close. It's safe to say they're the better conditioned athletes. on the PPV thing..yes the UFC is an organization that could make fights happen if they wanted to. they have fighters, with one promoter..Dana White. you shouldn't compare it to boxing. Boxing is a science. It should be compared to MMA. The UFC should be compared to Top Rank, or GBP. Now if that's what you're pointing out. I say it's because boxing promoters won't take the risks of damaging their prized fighters just to entertain fans often. If you're aware of the physical risks and danger in boxing you know what I'm talkin about. These guys takes a tremendous amount of punisment from 2 months of training to the 12rounds of actual fight. If they would face great competition from the get go they would have been 'shot' to early. So that's why these promoters see to it that they get the fight schedules in favor of them. The big names don't fight in the same card. Coz unlike in the UFC, you can't tap out in boxing. You have to finished not 3 or 5 but 12 rounds of hell even if you want to be respected. Quitting on a fight is almost admitting you have quitted fighting for the rest of your life. It's always a do or die,a make or break situation in boxing. Most of the times there ain't no second chance.;) Being in the main event is a 'sign of respect and recognition' for the hardwork an accomplished boxer has put in. That's why almost all of the time you can't put them on the same card.
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By Bill Dettlof of The Ring:
This dovetails nicely with the sense, held among many, that the sport is in real danger because its lone huge star, Oscar De La Hoya, is 35 years old and at the brink of retirement following his humbling loss to Manny Pacquiao.
Before we get to that, it’s worth noting the immense hypocrisy inherent in Calzaghe’s observation that there are “too many belts and too many champions, which dilutes real champions like myself.”
This is like Rod Blagojevich complaining that American politics is too corrupt. For 10 years, Calzaghe paraded around as the WBO “champion,” helping to publicize what had been at the beginning a mostly European, mostly unknown and entirely laughable sanctioning body.
He had help, though. A lazy American fight press and Calzaghe’s legions of European fans kept calling him a champion, and here we are, with four “champions” per division, which Calzaghe now, suddenly, thinks is too many.
At any rate, this sense of doom at the passing of a star is as old as the sport itself, as is the worry that boxing is on the brink of extinction. But don’t take my word for it. Take a cue from the ghosts of boxing past, who were gone long before De La Hoya had to “save” boxing again and again.
Writing in the April 1930 (!) issue of The Ring after the Max Schmeling-Jack Sharkey heavyweight title fight, Nat Fleischer said, “This is a drastic cure, but something will have to be done to save boxing. The public is tired.”
Twenty years later, Jersey Jones wrote in the February 1950 issue of The Ring: “As the Twentieth Century, Anno Domini, moves into its halfway mark, the American chapter of the fistic fraternity finds itself confronted by one of the most crucial periods it has known since the knuckle dusting trade became big business. Boxing is in a mighty precarious state of artistic and financial health at the moment.”
Almost 30 years on, Nat Loubet got it right when, commenting on Muhammad Ali’s retirement, he wrote in the April 1979 issue, “Boxing will survive, Ali or no Ali. A knight on a horse will gallop onto the stage, a new young face to capture the imagination of boxing buffs – and the heavyweight handicaps will be off and running again.”
After Dempsey left, there was Louis. After Louis there came Marciano. After Marciano there was Ali and after Ali, Ray Leonard. After Leonard came Tyson, and after Tyson there was De La Hoya.
So don’t pull the sheet over this old game yet. As Gene Tunney told Ring writer Al Buck in April 1950, “There is nothing the matter with boxing that another Jack Dempsey couldn’t cure.”
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
Fukk the UFC. Shitt is and always will be inferior to Boxing. Boxing is the harder sport. Being great in it actually means some thing. Anybody can do the UFC. Look at there heavyweight situation. Former pro wrestler Brock Leshner is the champ. Now I got nothing against Leshner. I seen him fight. He's a legit bad ass. But his record going into the championship fight was 2-1. The champion he beat was 16-9. Can you imagine that shiit ever taking place in Boxing? A championship fight between a 16-9 champ and 2-1 challenger being a big PPV event? Come on now
Yeah as opposed to a 32-0 boxer who has beaten 31 bums being ppv. :p
Ok he shouldn't have got a shot after 3 fights but there are more losses because there are more competitive matches and less ducking.
I saw Jose Canseco boxing not to long ago. He still some what of a name. Let him get a shot at Klitschko. Getting a title shot on name alone worked for Leshner. Why not for him?
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
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ono
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
Fukk the UFC. Shitt is and always will be inferior to Boxing. Boxing is the harder sport. Being great in it actually means some thing. Anybody can do the UFC. Look at there heavyweight situation. Former pro wrestler Brock Leshner is the champ. Now I got nothing against Leshner. I seen him fight. He's a legit bad ass. But his record going into the championship fight was 2-1. The champion he beat was 16-9. Can you imagine that shiit ever taking place in Boxing? A championship fight between a 16-9 champ and 2-1 challenger being a big PPV event? Come on now
Yeah as opposed to a 32-0 boxer who has beaten 31 bums being ppv. :p
Ok he shouldn't have got a shot after 3 fights but there are more losses because there are more competitive matches and less ducking.
I saw Jose Canseco boxing not to long ago. He still some what of a name. Let him get a shot at Klitschko. Getting a title shot on name alone worked for Leshner. Why not for him?
No comparison. If Canseco had a long and successful amateur boxing career, then took 3 pro fights against high level competition and won 2 and lost one that he was winning you might have a comparison.
I agree that Lesner should have had a few more fights before the title but it's closer to Vitali coming out of a long retirement and is first in line for the title than comparing a baseball player fighting for a boxing title.
The point of the fight from UFC's perspective is the continuation of a "linear" legit champ. They already lost Couture a couple of times. Might as well throw the next big thing in so if he wins it's still legit and everybody won't say "he never REALLY won the title". For sure Couture can't be counted on for 5 more fights or a couple of years for Lesner to get his record up there....
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
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ono
Yeah as opposed to a 32-0 boxer who has beaten 31 bums being ppv. :p
Ok he shouldn't have got a shot after 3 fights but there are more losses because there are more competitive matches and less ducking.
I saw Jose Canseco boxing not to long ago. He still some what of a name. Let him get a shot at Klitschko. Getting a title shot on name alone worked for Leshner. Why not for him?
No comparison. If Canseco had a long and successful amateur boxing career, then took 3 pro fights against high level competition and won 2 and lost one that he was winning you might have a comparison.
I agree that Lesner should have had a few more fights before the title
but it's closer to Vitali coming out of a long retirement and is first in line for the title than comparing a baseball player fighting for a boxing title.
The point of the fight from UFC's perspective is the continuation of a "linear" legit champ. They already lost Couture a couple of times. Might as well throw the next big thing in so if he wins it's still legit and everybody won't say "he never REALLY won the title". For sure Couture can't be counted on for 5 more fights or a couple of years for Lesner to get his record up there....
That's a straight contradiction. You agree that Leshner should of had more fights but than compare him to Vitali. Vitali retired as champion. In the sport of Boxing. He was accomplished in it. Leshner until he beat Couture was just an intrigue fighter.
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luvfightgame
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
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ono
Yeah as opposed to a 32-0 boxer who has beaten 31 bums being ppv. :p
Ok he shouldn't have got a shot after 3 fights but there are more losses because there are more competitive matches and less ducking.
I saw Jose Canseco boxing not to long ago. He still some what of a name. Let him get a shot at Klitschko. Getting a title shot on name alone worked for Leshner. Why not for him?
No comparison. If Canseco had a long and successful amateur boxing career, then took 3 pro fights against high level competition and won 2 and lost one that he was winning you might have a comparison.
I agree that Lesner should have had a few more fights before the title but it's closer to Vitali coming out of a long retirement and is first in line for the title than comparing a baseball player fighting for a boxing title.
The point of the fight from UFC's perspective is the continuation of a "linear" legit champ. They already lost Couture a couple of times. Might as well throw the next big thing in so if he wins it's still legit and everybody won't say "he never REALLY won the title". For sure Couture can't be counted on for 5 more fights or a couple of years for Lesner to get his record up there....
Leon Spinks got a crack at Muhammad Ali for the world heavyweight title in like what, his 6th pro fight?!? and won, so same shit as Lesnar
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
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luvfightgame
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
I saw Jose Canseco boxing not to long ago. He still some what of a name. Let him get a shot at Klitschko. Getting a title shot on name alone worked for Leshner. Why not for him?
No comparison. If Canseco had a long and successful amateur boxing career, then took 3 pro fights against high level competition and won 2 and lost one that he was winning you might have a comparison.
I agree that Lesner should have had a few more fights before the title
but it's closer to Vitali coming out of a long retirement and is first in line for the title than comparing a baseball player fighting for a boxing title.
The point of the fight from UFC's perspective is the continuation of a "linear" legit champ. They already lost Couture a couple of times. Might as well throw the next big thing in so if he wins it's still legit and everybody won't say "he never REALLY won the title". For sure Couture can't be counted on for 5 more fights or a couple of years for Lesner to get his record up there....
That's a straight contradiction. You agree that Leshner should of had more fights but than compare him to Vitali. Vitali retired as champion. In the sport of Boxing. He was accomplished in it. Leshner until he beat Couture was just an intrigue fighter.
No contradiction. I agree with your opinion on fights. I disagree with your comparison.
I said closer to Vitali's situation. Not meaning they were the same.
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luvfightgame
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
I saw Jose Canseco boxing not to long ago. He still some what of a name. Let him get a shot at Klitschko. Getting a title shot on name alone worked for Leshner. Why not for him?
No comparison. If Canseco had a long and successful amateur boxing career, then took 3 pro fights against high level competition and won 2 and lost one that he was winning you might have a comparison.
I agree that Lesner should have had a few more fights before the title but it's closer to Vitali coming out of a long retirement and is first in line for the title than comparing a baseball player fighting for a boxing title.
The point of the fight from UFC's perspective is the continuation of a "linear" legit champ. They already lost Couture a couple of times. Might as well throw the next big thing in so if he wins it's still legit and everybody won't say "he never REALLY won the title". For sure Couture can't be counted on for 5 more fights or a couple of years for Lesner to get his record up there....
Leon Spinks got a crack at Muhammad Ali for the world heavyweight title in like what, his 6th pro fight?!? and won, so same shit as Lesnar
1. Leon Spinks was a Gold Medal winner in the sport of Boxing. Not a different sport
2. Ali was highly criticize for taking the fight. Was Couture? No he was not.
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ElTerribleMorales
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luvfightgame
No comparison. If Canseco had a long and successful amateur boxing career, then took 3 pro fights against high level competition and won 2 and lost one that he was winning you might have a comparison.
I agree that Lesner should have had a few more fights before the title but it's closer to Vitali coming out of a long retirement and is first in line for the title than comparing a baseball player fighting for a boxing title.
The point of the fight from UFC's perspective is the continuation of a "linear" legit champ. They already lost Couture a couple of times. Might as well throw the next big thing in so if he wins it's still legit and everybody won't say "he never REALLY won the title". For sure Couture can't be counted on for 5 more fights or a couple of years for Lesner to get his record up there....
Leon Spinks got a crack at Muhammad Ali for the world heavyweight title in like what, his 6th pro fight?!? and won, so same shit as Lesnar
1. Leon Spinks was a Gold Medal winner in the sport of Boxing. Not a different sport
2. Ali was highly criticize for taking the fight. Was Couture? No he was not.
people keep bringing up the crap that Lesnar was a pro-wrestler but completely disregard the fact that he was a NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion, meaning real wrestling, which is one of the aspects of MMA, so not far off
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
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ElTerribleMorales
Leon Spinks got a crack at Muhammad Ali for the world heavyweight title in like what, his 6th pro fight?!? and won, so same shit as Lesnar
1. Leon Spinks was a Gold Medal winner in the sport of Boxing. Not a different sport
2. Ali was highly criticize for taking the fight. Was Couture? No he was not.
people keep bringing up the crap that Lesnar was a pro-wrestler but completely disregard the fact that he was a NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion, meaning real wrestling, which is one of the aspects of MMA, so not far off
That was as an amateur. How can you even mention that after using the Leon Spinks-Muhammad Ali excuse?
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Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
1. Leon Spinks was a Gold Medal winner in the sport of Boxing. Not a different sport
2. Ali was highly criticize for taking the fight. Was Couture? No he was not.
people keep bringing up the crap that Lesnar was a pro-wrestler but completely disregard the fact that he was a NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion, meaning real wrestling, which is one of the aspects of MMA, so not far off
That was as an amateur. How can you even mention that after using the Leon Spinks-Muhammad Ali excuse?
basically same thing you said bout the Leon Spinks being an Olympic Gold Medalist, cause from what i remember you can't go to the Olympic's as a pro boxer
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people keep bringing up the crap that Lesnar was a pro-wrestler but completely disregard the fact that he was a NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion, meaning real wrestling, which is one of the aspects of MMA, so not far off
That was as an amateur. How can you even mention that after using the Leon Spinks-Muhammad Ali excuse?
basically same thing you said bout the Leon Spinks being an Olympic Gold Medalist, cause from what i remember you can't go to the Olympic's as a pro boxer
I never once claimed Spinks was worthy of a title shot. He was not. Just pointed out that he was a gold medal winner in the same sport he got a title shot in.
