Vitali and Wlad

I find it kind of strange that , many people on here don't like these two guys.
Lets start with Vitali .
1. Good power punchers.
2. Gets hit but has a TEAK chin.
3. Cuts.
4. Lost twice on injury , and is generally exciting.

Wlad.
1. Excellent speed and power.
2. Vulnerable chin.
3. Been in some up and downers.
4. Always in top shape.

These two are not your usual fat boring HW'S . They are both intelligent , decent blokes to. So its a mystery to me why some of you guys don't like them.
I for one think both are exciting and good to watch.
COMMENTS PLEASE ?

I've got to spread out some reps before giving you any more.


I like both Wlad and Vitali, they always give a good account of themselves in the ring, they are not your average dumb brute prize fighters, and there is more to them than just boxing. They are good representatives of the sport.

I find it funny how people can love how Mayweather could carve someone up but don't like how the Klitschko's control the action using their size and skill to their advantage.

You enjoy Wlad fights? :-\

He is too safety first. He could have had Rahman out in two rounds if he had more arsehole.

Vitali is a different matter.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

You enjoy Wlad fights? :-\

He is too safety first. He could have had Rahman out in two rounds if he had more arsehole.

Vitali is a different matter.

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Yes i do enjoy Wlad fights , because although he trys to protect his chin , the end is only 1 punch away , because of his power and weak chin, so yes the answer is i do enjoy Wlad fights.

well wald has better skills that Vitali but is kinda chinny but has good power that will put you on your ass.

Vitali has some skills just more power than skills IMO. but also has a good jab which will fuk Haye up since haye isnt exactly a defensive fighter.

This writer Colin Seymore, from the San Fran Examiner, covers much of the the Klitschko Bros. A on Q link below:

SF Boxing Examiner: Pacquiao, Klitschko brothers deserve greater admiration from Americans

I always thought Wlad was a good fighter since he got on board with Steward. Exciting, NO, dominant, YES! Wlad has a very weak chin and it does show in his fighting style. But if you had a weak chin, you would fight the same way.

One thing that bothered me about Wlad this weekend was he only has 3 punches. Jab, straight right, and left hook. He really throws no other punches, even when he has his man laying on the ropes in trouble. It's a lot easier to finish someone when the punches are coming from everywhere!!

Vitali is just a different fighter. As long as he can stay healthy, he should be the recognized heavyweight champ.

Well...you might add that outside the ring both Klitschko are very good rolemodels...no scandals,no bad language and both do quite some charity work...

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Originally Posted by C-Lo

I always thought Wlad was a good fighter since he got on board with Steward. Exciting, NO, dominant, YES! Wlad has a very weak chin and it does show in his fighting style. But if you had a weak chin, you would fight the same way.

One thing that bothered me about Wlad this weekend was he only has 3 punches. Jab, straight right, and left hook. He really throws no other punches, even when he has his man laying on the ropes in trouble. It's a lot easier to finish someone when the punches are coming from everywhere!!

Vitali is just a different fighter. As long as he can stay healthy, he should be the recognized heavyweight champ.

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Have to agree with you...

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I find it kind of strange that , many people on here don't like these two guys.
Lets start with Vitali .
1. Good power punchers.
2. Gets hit but has a TEAK chin.
3. Cuts.
4. Lost twice on injury , and is generally exciting.

Wlad.
1. Excellent speed and power.
2. Vulnerable chin.
3. Been in some up and downers.
4. Always in top shape.

These two are not your usual fat boring HW'S . They are both intelligent , decent blokes to. So its a mystery to me why some of you guys don't like them.
I for one think both are exciting and good to watch.
COMMENTS PLEASE ?

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As Lyle stated I owe some reps out before I can give you some but they are coming....

I am a fan of both...I think it shows ignorance to think just because a guy is not all out war every bout and likes to make sure he does not get sparked they are boring...Not as if the guy won't fight anyone because he will face anyone worthy......He is a great tactical fighter with exciting power

Vitaly is evemn more exciting because he like a bit more of the rough stuff but same goes for him he is a guy you can not help but like....

The only time I ever had a dilemma with him was his I am coming back no wait I am not returning period of time......

The problem with people who do not see the talent in a fighter like Wlad and do not appreciate the skill level he is on are not true boxing fans...Boxing is about more then the all out assult and quick KO's

They are not the greatest but they are the latest. They are the best heavyweights and I am afraid to say but they will squat Haye like a flea. I hope I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by Master

They are not the greatest but they are the latest. They are the best heavyweights and I am afraid to say but they will squat Haye like a flea. I hope I am wrong.

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Why are you afraid of that why trade one chinny champ for another....and one with NO boxing skill at that, just because he throws a bunch of power punches. Hey if you want to watch a lack of technical skill on display I suggest the local toughman competitions

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I've got to spread out some reps before giving you any more.


I like both Wlad and Vitali, they always give a good account of themselves in the ring, they are not your average dumb brute prize fighters, and there is more to them than just boxing. They are good representatives of the sport.

I find it funny how people can love how Mayweather could carve someone up but don't like how the Klitschko's control the action using their size and skill to their advantage.

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good point.. same goes for the haters of mayweathers style.. if you can respect the Klitschko's use of their strengths, then you should be able to do the same for mayweather.. and vice/versa..

I think this is what separates boxing from MMA.. If we always had sluggers like Haye and the like in a boxing ring, then the turnover rate for champions would be really high.. In boxing, strategy and style are much more important.. There are many less one punch knockouts in boxing, but the big punchers can still do it.. If i caught someone flush with a right hand, with an MMA glove even 40-50 lbs heavier than me, i have a good chance of knocking them down, allowing me to jump on them and make the ref call the fight.. In boxing, there is no chance..

this is why i respect Wlad's/Vitali's style, and i see no reason, that if you're a boxing fan, how you can really hate on it even though it's boring at times..

I hate Mayweather's personality as much as I can but as a fighter he's extremely gifted and you just can't help but be amazed at some of the stuff he can do.

Exactly, everyone complains about fat and out of shape has been heavys. Yet they hate on the two best! They are always fit, they have ko power, good boxing ability... but everyone hates them coz theyre tall and the chances of them losing isnt very good. So my question to klitschko haters is... do you hate them because theyre too good for the shit competition around or do you hate them because you think they are shit. You hate them because they arent lennox lewis. You hate them because they arent Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield etc . Every division has a down period. You can not have legends in every era. SO you can not blame Klitsckos for the fact they have to fight shit competition coz theres nothing else available. You guys long to see the next tyson or lewis come in and destroy these guys, because you feel that you are entitled to see a new great fighter emerge. So my analysis is that you hate on them because you want to see the next great heavyweight and they continue to disappoint you by beating everyone put in front of them.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

You enjoy Wlad fights? :-\

He is too safety first. He could have had Rahman out in two rounds if he had more arsehole.

Vitali is a different matter.

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Yes i do enjoy Wlad fights , because although he trys to protect his chin , the end is only 1 punch away , because of his power and weak chin, so yes the answer is i do enjoy Wlad fights.

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I guess, to be fair to Wlad, he's fighting pretty negative fighters like himself, so it's only natural the fights will be shit.

He needs a few Corrie Sanders-types to bring out the devil in .. oh.. hang on :-\

I think the Klitschko's get hated on because the fans of the heavyweight division are in a hangover stage. Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, etc are retired or aren't anywhere near what they used to be and people want to live in the past instead of respecting what we have right now.

People mainly don't like Wlad because he fights in an unexciting manner which makes for boring fights.

Heavyweights are about knock outs. It's the reason there's LESS interest in the smaller weight-classes. KO's equal excitement. That's why the non-hardcore fan watches. Whether or not they're unappreciative of the skill on offer is basically irrelevant. The MAJORITY of people watch boxing to be entertained.

A guy with seemingly HUGE athletic size advantages over his opponents, pitter pattering around, playing safe does not equal entertainment. So people don't watch. Simple as.

I do look at it in a different way now. I watched Wlad fight over the weekend with my wife. She says "man he's boring" I said "who Wlad" "no the other guy Rahman". It comes to mind how is Wlad boring because he doesn't go balls to the wall and just get into a firefight with the other. Look at his latest fight's he stands right in front of you and jabs you to death then shoots righthand's and left hooks when he's ready and put's you away.

Vitali on the otherhand is just a different kind of animal does basically the same thing stands in front shoots the jab but doesn't wait with the right hand and then he rough's you up on top of that.

To me these two a very underated and I would throw them in already with any of the all-time great's.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Master

They are not the greatest but they are the latest. They are the best heavyweights and I am afraid to say but they will squat Haye like a flea. I hope I am wrong.

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Why are you afraid of that why trade one chinny champ for another....and one with NO boxing skill at that, just because he throws a bunch of power punches. Hey if you want to watch a lack of technical skill on display I suggest the local toughman competitions

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I am sure you will agree that it would be better for Haye fight other fighters to build up his profile and interest before fighting the Klit brothers. Haye has got very good skills but fought like a desperate fighter against Monte and that spells trouble for him if he is not composed.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I find it kind of strange that , many people on here don't like these two guys.
Lets start with Vitali .
1. Good power punchers.
2. Gets hit but has a TEAK chin.
3. Cuts.
4. Lost twice on injury , and is generally exciting.

Wlad.
1. Excellent speed and power.
2. Vulnerable chin.
3. Been in some up and downers.
4. Always in top shape.

These two are not your usual fat boring HW'S . They are both intelligent , decent blokes to. So its a mystery to me why some of you guys don't like them.
I for one think both are exciting and good to watch.
COMMENTS PLEASE ?

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People thought the same things about Lennox Lewis when he was still fighting. Now sine he retired, alot of people say he is a respected GOAT. Maybe the same can be said about these two when they eventually retire.

Both of the Klitschkos are class acts in and out of the ring and they typically produce serious KOs. I think either one would give any of the past heavyweights a good run for their money. People say Wlad is chinny but I disagree, to me he only was only legitimately KO'd one time and that was by Sanders and it was an off night, he got caught and panic'ed. If they replayed that fight now the Sanders that KO'ed W. (not the Sanders of today) would be doomed.

For God's sake they are 100 times better than Maskaev, Tony, Ruiz, Byrd.

I agree they dont go in swinging for the fences like Tyson, but they are not the heavy weight version of Winky Wright either.

They can't say the same about Wladimir.. At least Lennox avenged the defeats he suffered. Wlad didn't seem too eager to get in the ring again with Purrity or Sanders. Vitali was, and still is, dying to try and reverse his loss against Lennox!

Vitali's heart is so much bigger than his over-achieving little brother (it must sicken him to see his success). Wlad is stuck in the same 'safety first' pattern that caused Lennox to attract so much criticism mid career and he shows no signs of wanting to prove the critics that they are wrong. Lewis really proved his heart after the Michael Grant fight and never let it slip. Thats why he's now seen (with hindsight) as the absolute God of recent H-Weight boxing!Wlad still seemed terrified of getting his whiskers tested against Rahman who looked ready for the taking in round two!

David Haye has a real shot against Wlad but will get stopped brutally by Vitali.. Pity Vitali took 4 years out to fail at politics. If he'd carried on there would be no bloody Valuev to bore us stupid! His cherry would have been popped as soon as Iron Fist landed one!

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Originally Posted by Master

I am sure you will agree that it would be better for Haye fight other fighters to build up his profile and interest before fighting the Klit brothers. Haye has got very good skills but fought like a desperate fighter against Monte and that spells trouble for him if he is not composed.

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David Haye needs 3-5 more fights before stepping in with Wlad or Vitali. Vitali has only been HURT twice Lennox Lewis and Corrie Sanders...other than those two he has walked through everyone else (bar the Byrd fight where he injured his shoulder). I don't see David Haye having power similar to Lewis or Sanders AND I don't think he has the means of landing meaningful power punches on the much taller Klitschko brothers.

Sam Peter was a wild thrower and fought desperately vs a couple other guys....once he got in with the Klitschko's he threw hard a couple rounds and then was getting picked off so bad he just quit fighting back

My guess is that Haye is hoping that Vitali's chin has suddenly become weak after 4 years off. I am also sure that he wants Vitali to be reckless and be angry, when in fact he will be more focused and professional. If Haye pulls it off then it will be the biggest shock since Lewis v Rahman.

.....it doesn't matter what people say about these two. As long as they are winning that the main thing. They aren't at all to blame for thier lack of comepetition. There are two guys sitting over there with belts and there are a ton of others talking with nothing around thier waist. The belts trump talk and desire. I'm no more a fan of thiers than any other boxer but they have managed to beat those put in front of them, there are a whole lot of others who haven't.

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Both of the Klitschkos are class acts in and out of the ring and they typically produce serious KOs.

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Agreed, I finally saw the video of Haye catching Wlad at the airport and for all Haye's trash talk, Wlad was the one who looked better in that video. He didn't lose his cool and just had an intelligent answer for Haye at every step..I thought he came off wittier than Haye as well

'ahh Mr Haye!'
'How much do you weigh this morning?'
'Is that heavy enough for you?'
'Listen, in the heavyweight division you are nothing'
'There is a big queue of people who are waiting for a shot..get to the back, get in the ring and just do your job'

Haye just seemed to be talking for talkings sake. Good stuff from Wlad, very classy.

Been watching more Wlad and Vitali fights recently. Wlad obviously fights more conservatively but Vitali is an animal! Both have their strengths..I do feel, perhaps, that Lewis would have eaten Wlad up though. As would some of the other great heavyweights..the ones with superior skill anyway e.g Ali, Holmes (I think these 2 beat Vitali also, although the sheer size would pose a problem). So I do have a slight problem putting their names up there with these guys but they will be remembered as the dominant heavyweights of this era.