Oscar Dela Hoya angling to get a rematch with Pacquiao

"Sources close to the Golden Boy camp have been saying Oscar is upset over his loss to Manny Pacquiao. Oscar is believed to be angling to get a rematch with Manny Pacquiao perhaps as earlier as late this spring.

Oscar does not want to end his career with this loss. Oscar believed that he was overtrained by his trainers for this fight. There also appeared to be much confusion in Oscar's corner the night of the fight.

Who would train Oscar in a rematch? Floyd Mayweather, Sr. who previously trained Oscar De La Hoya has stated he would be willing to train Oscar De La Hoya in a rematch with Pacquiao. In another recent interview Mayweather, Sr. stated the following:

“I can tell you is that it wasn’t all Oscar’s fault. I know personally of two things that went on in Oscar’s training camp. There was a lot of stuff that went on in camp that was counter productive to Oscar’s training,” said the controversial fight coach.

Mayweather also picked Ricky Hatton to beat Pacquiao if the two should ever face one another."



Whoa!! All the big name boxers wanting to fight Pacquiao!! Hatton, PBF and now Hoya!! ;D
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He can go out with a win, just not at Welterweight, and no against Pac. Oscar is a sharp guy and id hate for him to keep on fighting past his prime and take beatings that could stay with him for the rest of his life. He has too much going on outside the ring to gamble with his health. I think he should fight one more against a decent Lt. Middle and retire with a win.

Yeah you got to feel sorry for Oscar. Both his defeats to Manny and Floyd Mayweather were clearly a consequence of having the wrong the trainers.

Freddie fucked up for him against Floyd and against Manny Nacho clearly didn't communicate properly to Oscar that he needed to punch back.

When you factor in the trainer who told him to keep away from Trinidad the last 3 rounds which lost him that fight you have to feel sorry for Oscar.

If it wasn't for his trainers letting him down he'd be one of the best ever.

I think his problem has been that he hasn't had a high profile trainer. He's paid millions so he should get the best to train him. I'd go for Tommy Gallagher, he's been on tv and everything. He'd be sure to tell Oscar that he 'needed this next round' thus giving Oscar the instruction he has been lacking up to now.

Yeah Bilbo theres definately a pattern. I think Floyd Sr. is the best trainer for him, but the trainers not the one fighting. Oscar lost because he couldnt do his part.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Yeah you got to feel sorry for Oscar. Both his defeats to Manny and Floyd Mayweather were clearly a consequence of having the wrong the trainers.

Freddie fucked up for him against Floyd and against Manny Nacho clearly didn't communicate properly to Oscar that he needed to punch back.

When you factor in the trainer who told him to keep away from Trinidad the last 3 rounds which lost him that fight you have to feel sorry for Oscar.

If it wasn't for his trainers letting him down he'd be one of the best ever.

I think his problem has been that he hasn't had a high profile trainer. He's paid millions so he should get the best to train him. I'd go for Tommy Gallagher, he's been on tv and everything. He'd be sure to tell Oscar that he 'needed this next round' thus giving Oscar the instruction he has been lacking up to now.

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Don't forget his vaunted "Do it for your family," technique. That's a sure path to victory.

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

"Sources close to the Golden Boy camp have been saying Oscar is upset over his loss to Manny Pacquiao. Oscar is believed to be angling to get a rematch with Manny Pacquiao perhaps as earlier as late this spring.

Oscar does not want to end his career with this loss. Oscar believed that he was overtrained by his trainers for this fight. There also appeared to be much confusion in Oscar's corner the night of the fight.

Who would train Oscar in a rematch? Floyd Mayweather, Sr. who previously trained Oscar De La Hoya has stated he would be willing to train Oscar De La Hoya in a rematch with Pacquiao. In another recent interview Mayweather, Sr. stated the following:

“I can tell you is that it wasn’t all Oscar’s fault. I know personally of two things that went on in Oscar’s training camp. There was a lot of stuff that went on in camp that was counter productive to Oscar’s training,” said the controversial fight coach.

Mayweather also picked Ricky Hatton to beat Pacquiao if the two should ever face one another."



Whoa!! All the big name boxers wanting to fight Pacquiao!! Hatton, PBF and now Hoya!! ;D
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i wonder why he would say that. thats if he really did say it.

He needs to state those things, otherwise people will read him as discouraged, and antagonized or even anguished, with his prolonged silence.

He's Oscar dela Hoya, he earned boxing world's respect in any shape or form that he can get it. He needs an ego boost right now, to find his way in the maze of things with which he is presently confronted with.

Oh God, here we go again. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

"Sources close to the Golden Boy camp have been saying Oscar is upset over his loss to Manny Pacquiao. Oscar is believed to be angling to get a rematch with Manny Pacquiao perhaps as earlier as late this spring.

Oscar does not want to end his career with this loss. Oscar believed that he was overtrained by his trainers for this fight. There also appeared to be much confusion in Oscar's corner the night of the fight.

Who would train Oscar in a rematch? Floyd Mayweather, Sr. who previously trained Oscar De La Hoya has stated he would be willing to train Oscar De La Hoya in a rematch with Pacquiao. In another recent interview Mayweather, Sr. stated the following:

“I can tell you is that it wasn’t all Oscar’s fault. I know personally of two things that went on in Oscar’s training camp. There was a lot of stuff that went on in camp that was counter productive to Oscar’s training,” said the controversial fight coach.

Mayweather also picked Ricky Hatton to beat Pacquiao if the two should ever face one another."



Whoa!! All the big name boxers wanting to fight Pacquiao!! Hatton, PBF and now Hoya!! ;D
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i wonder why he would say that. thats if he really did say it.

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Its Mayweather Sr. not Jr. who said that...
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I dont care if jesus comes and trains Oscar. Manny will beat oscar again and make him look like the biatch that he is ;D

He should forget all about that pipe dream.Nothing prior,during and even more so after....has me screaming "REMATCH"!!!!.Come on Oscar....it's done man,great ride but time to see the light.I think THIS time,the public is wiser than this:-X

Blaming his team is simply denying Pac's greatness!!!


DLH can call for a rematch but he won't win against Pac whoever is his trainer.:cool:

Oscar is living in cloud cuckoo land if he in any way thinks he merits a rematch. What a numpty. :rolleyes:

Just for the record, it wasn't Oscar who said these things, it was Floyd Mayweather Sr. I loathe ODH as much as anyone, but he shouldn't be ripped for things he didn't say.

The thread title should read something like, "Floyd Mayweather Sr. tries to keep his name in the press."

what if they did have a rematch and oscar gets beaten up more badly then the first time. i wonder what the excuse would be? ;D

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Blaming his team is simply denying Pac's greatness!!!


DLH can call for a rematch but he won't win against Pac whoever is his trainer.:cool:

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To be fair anybody can see that Oscar wasn't right on fight night. He clearly messed up the weight big time.

Pac did what he had to do and he did what i said he'd do (win the fight), but i wouldn't go over-board. I personally didn't find anything new out about him (i already said he'd be fine at the weight). I think he's the best p4p but this fight has done little to enhance reputation to me. It's just confirmed that he is as good as i thought he was.

Like i say there would be zero point on a re-match because imo Pac would beat a 100% (for this stage of his career) Oscar, although i think it would be more competitive seen as though Oscar would have enough energy to punch back ;)

yes I think he should get a rematch

after all it was a pretty close fight up to the point Oscar quit. I had it even

I thought the general reason for 2 fighters to go at it a 2nd time is because the fight was either won by a controversial/suspect decision, was a close fight in general, or was just so f'ing exciting that fans could think of nothing better than to see another 12 rounds of the same...

Although I loved Pac destruction of Oscar, it was not suspect, nor controversial, nor close, and I would cringe at having to watch it again.. And the only exciting thing about it was Pac, and that part you can take and throw in the ring with someone else, without giving golden panties another hack job pay day to get his ass beat again...

I think Oscar and the potential trainer who is going to have a high paying job for a few months are the only ones that would want a rematch with Pac..

exactly - oscar don't deserve another shot or payday

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

yes I think he should get a rematch

after all it was a pretty close fight up to the point Oscar quit. I had it even

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I actually had Oscar one up for that round where he cleverly backed into the corner, setting the trap for Pac to come in and punch him crazily and hence tire him out... Darn trainers stopped the fight though right when Pac was almost completely spent, and Oscar could take over the fight with the energy he saved from not punching for 8 rounds...

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Blaming his team is simply denying Pac's greatness!!!


DLH can call for a rematch but he won't win against Pac whoever is his trainer.:cool:

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To be fair anybody can see that Oscar wasn't right on fight night. He clearly messed up the weight big time.

Pac did what he had to do and he did what i said he'd do (win the fight), but i wouldn't go over-board. I personally didn't find anything new out about him (i already said he'd be fine at the weight). I think he's the best p4p but this fight has done little to enhance reputation to me. It's just confirmed that he is as good as i thought he was.

Like i say there would be zero point on a re-match because imo Pac would beat a 100% (for this stage of his career) Oscar, although i think it would be more competitive seen as though Oscar would have enough energy to punch back ;)

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So true! At this stage in his career, Oscar can't handle Manny's speed (who is in his prime) & @ 147 pounds either. At 154 pounds or a younger Oscar, maybe Manny still wins but I'll bet it would have been a much better fight than the one we saw on Dec. 6th!

I'd rather watch forbes fight manny than see oscar get his ass whooped again. At least i'd be someone new and we could take the pre fight promises and trash talk somewhat serious.

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Oscar is a sharp guy and id hate for him to keep on fighting past his prime

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Finally someone understands what being passed his prime means. Yes, I would hate him to fight ANYBODY at this moment. That is something I just don't like. When a boxing great/legend stays in the ring longer than they should only to make others look great.

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Both his defeats to Manny and Floyd Mayweather were clearly a consequence of having the wrong the trainers.

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Good point. Never saw it that way. But his loss to Mayweather was nothing close to Pac's fight. Pac's loss was more than convincing compared to Mayweather's.

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Manny Nacho clearly didn't communicate properly to Oscar that he needed to punch back.

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Either that or Oscar simply doesn't have it anymore. Even when Mayweather Sr. trained him against Forbes, Oscar started to show signs that he was passed his prime.

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When you factor in the trainer who told him to keep away from Trinidad the last 3 rounds which lost him that fight you have to feel sorry for Oscar.

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I don't think that is the fault of the trainer. I mean, here we have Oscar dominating a fight and was told to glide his way to victory on the last 2 or 3 rounds. That is the smart thing to do just like the team that is winning and decides to pass the ball around on the last few minutes of the game. The judges were probably watching a fight in the crowd and not a fight in the ring when they gave away the victory to Tito.

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Manny will beat oscar again and make him look like the biatch that he is

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That's right. Any boxer that's not in his prime will look like a bitch against anybody. And then you have others that are in their prime and look like a bitch against someone else who happens to be in their prime as well. You get the idea.

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Blaming his team is simply denying Pac's greatness!
DLH can call for a rematch but he won't win against Pac whoever is his trainer

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Yeah, I don't see him winning against Pac or the guy that sells hotdogs at the arena. That is simply what happens when a boxer is not in his prime. Even Pac and his team knew well about this and talked about it in interviews, 24/7 show, etc.

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what if they did have a rematch and oscar gets beaten up more badly then the first time. i wonder what the excuse would be?

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Maybe he can ask Pac for permission to say that it was the socks that made him loose :) . Now I wonder if Pac lost again, what would his excuse be? At least ODLH gave Pac honorable credit and respect. Doesn't surprise me from ODLH. He has always shown class. Pac didn't when he lost, he blamed it on the socks. Go figure.
Now, can someone please post the link about all this? Or is this just another thread to throw crap at ODLH?

Maybe he can ask Pac for permission to say that it was the socks that made him loose :) . Now I wonder if Pac lost again, what would his excuse be? At least ODLH gave Pac honorable credit and respect. Doesn't surprise me from ODLH. He has always shown class. Pac didn't when he lost, he blamed it on the socks. Go figure.

Very classy!

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Yeah you got to feel sorry for Oscar. Both his defeats to Manny and Floyd Mayweather were clearly a consequence of having the wrong the trainers.

Freddie fucked up for him against Floyd and against Manny Nacho clearly didn't communicate properly to Oscar that he needed to punch back.

When you factor in the trainer who told him to keep away from Trinidad the last 3 rounds which lost him that fight you have to feel sorry for Oscar.

If it wasn't for his trainers letting him down he'd be one of the best ever.

I think his problem has been that he hasn't had a high profile trainer. He's paid millions so he should get the best to train him. I'd go for Tommy Gallagher, he's been on tv and everything. He'd be sure to tell Oscar that he 'needed this next round' thus giving Oscar the instruction he has been lacking up to now.

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I don't feel sorry for Oscar at all. Go out there and fight like a man.

Vs Trinidad - finish the fight you lazy bum. and train for the WHOLE fight.

Vs Pacman - u suck. pull the trigger. bend at the waist. Hell.. bend anywhere, you can't just walk forward and expect to win.

Vs PBF - engage, pump the jab. things he knows he had to do going into the fight.

He is not a fighter anymore, and I don't feel sorry for him. He's probably a billionaire. Outside of Mayorga (who's a chump), he has given us nothing to be proud of in the last 5-6 years.

Like some have stated before. He could fight Sergio Mora and draw a decent size crowd in LA.

Oscar and Evander are my favorite fighter's. But for Oscar to keep blaming his trainers has to piss his fans off. It was Mayweather Sr 's fault that he didn't want the money to train him to fight his son. It's Freddie Roach's fault for coming up with the wrong gameplan.It's Berenstein and Zaragosa's fault that they overtrained him. Look in his old fight's with Alcazar and Clancy. They told me I had it in the bag after nine rounds with Tito. Stop blaming all of your trainer's you were in good shape and it was not the wrong gameplan. You got beat plan and simple. Except that Tito fight

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

"Sources close to the Golden Boy camp have been saying Oscar is upset over his loss to Manny Pacquiao. Oscar is believed to be angling to get a rematch with Manny Pacquiao perhaps as earlier as late this spring.

Oscar does not want to end his career with this loss. Oscar believed that he was overtrained by his trainers for this fight. There also appeared to be much confusion in Oscar's corner the night of the fight.

Who would train Oscar in a rematch? Floyd Mayweather, Sr. who previously trained Oscar De La Hoya has stated he would be willing to train Oscar De La Hoya in a rematch with Pacquiao. In another recent interview Mayweather, Sr. stated the following:

“I can tell you is that it wasn’t all Oscar’s fault. I know personally of two things that went on in Oscar’s training camp. There was a lot of stuff that went on in camp that was counter productive to Oscar’s training,” said the controversial fight coach.

Mayweather also picked Ricky Hatton to beat Pacquiao if the two should ever face one another."



Whoa!! All the big name boxers wanting to fight Pacquiao!! Hatton, PBF and now Hoya!! ;D
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De La Hoya is always blaming some one else for his loses, First it was Freddie Roach had the wrong strategy for him against Mayweather when the whole time he kept telling Oscar just to use his jab which he chose to stop using and now this..

If they fight again, Oscar will get dropped and stopped by Pac.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Yeah you got to feel sorry for Oscar. Both his defeats to Manny and Floyd Mayweather were clearly a consequence of having the wrong the trainers.

Freddie fucked up for him against Floyd and against Manny Nacho clearly didn't communicate properly to Oscar that he needed to punch back.

When you factor in the trainer who told him to keep away from Trinidad the last 3 rounds which lost him that fight you have to feel sorry for Oscar.

If it wasn't for his trainers letting him down he'd be one of the best ever.

I think his problem has been that he hasn't had a high profile trainer. He's paid millions so he should get the best to train him. I'd go for Tommy Gallagher, he's been on tv and everything. He'd be sure to tell Oscar that he 'needed this next round' thus giving Oscar the instruction he has been lacking up to now.

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I don't feel sorry for Oscar at all. Go out there and fight like a man.

Vs Trinidad - finish the fight you lazy bum. and train for the WHOLE fight.

Vs Pacman - u suck. pull the trigger. bend at the waist. Hell.. bend anywhere, you can't just walk forward and expect to win.

Vs PBF - engage, pump the jab. things he knows he had to do going into the fight.

He is not a fighter anymore, and I don't feel sorry for him. He's probably a billionaire. Outside of Mayorga (who's a chump), he has given us nothing to be proud of in the last 5-6 years.

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I agree to a certain extent. I certainly don't feel sorry for Oscar...the man is incredibly rich and famous. At the same time, i can respect what he has accomplished in and out of the ring...and not just hate him because he is rich and famous. As for the 3 fights you mention...you obviously cannot lay all the blame on the trainers. I thought he won the Trinidad fight...clearly. So whether he coasted the last few rounds...is a mute point for me. Against Floyd, he clearly fought a tactically incorrect fight. His jab worked for him. Now weather he stopped jabbing because it was his fault, his trainers, or simply because he had no gas in the tank...who knows. Probably a combination of all three. As for Pac...he looked like a walking zombie from the start. Pac deserves some credit...Manny was blindingly fast and well prepared. But Oscar just didn't have it from the very beginning. Whether that is because he was weight drained, shot, not well prepared, etc....again, no way to know for sure. Probably a combo of all those things again. What was clear to me...is that Oscar has no reason to keep fighting and IF he does...it should never be at 147 again. Having said all of this...i have respect for his career. Tremendous resume with some big wins and big loses...but he never ducked anyone. Plus, his wealth and popularity translated to wealth and popularity for boxing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

This just keeps on getting better and better.
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I say let 'em fight. Only this time... since it's Oscar's pride at stake... and only fools would dish out another PPV to watch this pitiful display... let it be on free TV. And... let Manny finish the job this time.

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Oscar is not worthy of another PPV, That gay fuker should be on Goddam Contender

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

"Sources close to the Golden Boy camp have been saying Oscar is upset over his loss to Manny Pacquiao. Oscar is believed to be angling to get a rematch with Manny Pacquiao perhaps as earlier as late this spring.

Oscar does not want to end his career with this loss. Oscar believed that he was overtrained by his trainers for this fight. There also appeared to be much confusion in Oscar's corner the night of the fight.

Who would train Oscar in a rematch? Floyd Mayweather, Sr. who previously trained Oscar De La Hoya has stated he would be willing to train Oscar De La Hoya in a rematch with Pacquiao. In another recent interview Mayweather, Sr. stated the following:

“I can tell you is that it wasn’t all Oscar’s fault. I know personally of two things that went on in Oscar’s training camp. There was a lot of stuff that went on in camp that was counter productive to Oscar’s training,” said the controversial fight coach.

Mayweather also picked Ricky Hatton to beat Pacquiao if the two should ever face one another."



Whoa!! All the big name boxers wanting to fight Pacquiao!! Hatton, PBF and now Hoya!! ;D
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De La Hoya is always blaming some one else for his loses, First it was Freddie Roach had the wrong strategy for him against Mayweather when the whole time he kept telling Oscar just to use his jab which he chose to stop using and now this..

If they fight again, Oscar will get dropped and stopped by Pac.

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PAC already stopped Hoya, it's a stoppage... And if Hoya didn't quit on his stool after the 8th, PAC probably drop him and finish him off in the next round, the 9th round...
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I don't wanna pay $50 to see him quit while sitting on his stool again. No mas Oscar!

still think it would be a massive fight again though make plenty of money, & thats wot its all abt

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

I don't wanna pay $50 to see him quit while sitting on his stool again. No mas Oscar!

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I would pay to see him fight PAC at least 5 years ago but I wouldn't pay for ODLH or ANY boxing great out there who is fighting passed his prime, old, worned out, out of gas, drained, etc.

Not only did Pac get the best payday so far but he also got a nice name to add to his resume :) . More power to him :cool:.

Bilbo, you've got to be kidding me! Oscar's two losses to mayweather and manny clearly due to wrong trainer choice? Are you high? First of all Freddie roach is the best trainer out there! Roach totally got into oscar's head a few weeks ago. Roach and manny stood with the game plan and completly dominated DLH. The reason Oscar lost against floyd and manny is because they were just better. Oscar's always had trouble with speedy guys and those two were top notch. I have nothing against DLH, i like him and I think he's a great fighter, but it wouldnt matter if he had floyd mayweather senior, Angelo Dundee, Emmanuel steward, or freaking larry merchant, he wasnt gonna beat Manny if he had brass knuckles under his gloves. Oscar De La Hoya would not have ever beaten Manny even if you had them both in their primes. To say that the reason DLH lost was because of his trainer is the most idiotic statement i've ever heard! So you think that if Oscar had Floyd mayweather senior as his trainer he would beeen able to dodge that straight left hand huh? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!

It may be a different story at light middle . I think Oscar was so drained to make weight that he had nothing in the tank . Im surprised Pac didnt drop him . At light middle he may have abit more energy but he looked so shot in his last fight that I think hed be underdog.

Oscar has no real reason to fight on and a Pac rematch is now completely lacking in credibility. Oscar should stay on the sun bed and keep the tie around his neck. Its something he might be good at.

Oscar hasnt been particularly good for half a decade now, and he's getting slimmer pickings fighting ever smaller men. No reason to go on and getting completely silly.

I'd love to see him come back and beat Pac and then retire but I just don't think he's got anythig left.

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Oscar De La Hoya would not have ever beaten Manny even if you had them both in their primes.

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Not sure about this. Oscar faced guys that could hit and took care of business. Remember Ike Quartey? They exchanged punches throughout the fight and BOTH were KO punchers. Oscar threw punches in that fight, unlike with Pac where he hardly threw anything out there.
I can see many reasons why Oscar lost. First, Pac is a nice young fighter in his prime who has shown to get better and better. Oscar is not in his prime, he's drained, out of gas, old, worned out, etc. Loosing all that weight, etc. But saying it was because of his trainer, Iiiii dunno, that doesn't convince me as much as other reasons.

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I think Oscar was so drained to make weight that he had nothing in the tank

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He even weighted less than Pac on fight night. I thought he would be way heavier than Pac.
As for rematches, this is something that has not been heard from Oscar himself, its all speculation. But I am not sure if people want to pay to see a rematch for a fight that didn't look competitive at all.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

I'd love to see him come back and beat Pac and then retire but I just don't think he's got anythig left.

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Do you mind if I ask why? I am interested to know. It can give a very "deep" understanding, and sincere reasoning, as to why Pacquiao is undeserving to be the victor in his match against Oscar dela Hoya. Assuming that that is the reason for saying, "love to see him (ODLH) come back and beat Pac and then retire". It sure will help clear things, that are somewhat nagging!