Found this on YOUTUBE.;D
http://http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yDYnO9gGwIQ
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Found this on YOUTUBE.;D
http://http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yDYnO9gGwIQ
I never held that loss against him. Duran is not a quitter but every man has a breaking point. If you watch the fight, even with all these things against him, it was a close fight going into the round he quit. His body just wasnt prepared to go 15 rounds and Leonard was making him work hard to catch him and he didnt like to be toyed with. Stomach cramps didnt help. I do credit Leonard because he had a shrewd plan to beat Duran and the timing was perfect for him. The media was quick to judge him and call him a coward and a quitter, unfairly imo. He was in an impossible situation. Duran is still the greatest of the fabulous 4 imo and my favorite fighter of all time.
I agree, Duran's as hard as they come. I never held it against him that he didn't want to be embarassed out there by Ray that night. I give credit to any man brave enough to get up there in the ring & especially a guy like Duran!
It's a mental game, if you get beat mentally you are basically already beaten.
Leonard ran most of the fight.
If anybody is interested in reading more about that era I can thoroughly recommend the book 'Four Kings: Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Hagler and the Last Great Era of Boxing' by George Kimball.
Kimball was a writer for a Massachusetts newspaper so he was affiliated with the Hagler camp, but he was ringside for all the fights between those guys, was good friends with Michael Katz and has some great inside stories.
Really can't recommend that book enough - very well researched and a great read.
Thanks for posting that, this is one of my favourite Duran fights he was ment to loose but took it to the younger bigger guy awsome :)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lM9ivIVyhEE
Yeah Duran was great,no doubt about it,Leonard was greater IMO,another thing that was not covered in the youtube piece,is that Duran had done the same thing(blowing-up)in alot of his previous bouts,and as we all know,Boxing is not the type of sport that will tolerate that type of unprofessionalism.Also like Manny Steward,I though Ray won the first fight with Duran.(a
Without a doubt it was frustrtion...everyone who watched ot that night new that....Duran was a warrior and no one can deny that there are many fighters that have quit on their stool and you questioned there heart....Duran is not one of them for sure
These reasons make sense that an overweight and obviously distracted Duran was not ready both mentally and physically for Leonard 2.
The rematch should never have happened so quickly, well planned by the Leonard camp. The point is Duran was in a close fight at the time of him quitting, it's not as if he was getting well beaten such as Tyson against Holyfield and frustration got the better of him. His conditioning gave out and along with Leonards game plan of clowning about and running for the entire fight Duran simply gave up. A strange decision on his part, but so is blowing up to more than 200lbs between fights in less than 6 months.
The first fight was Duran's finest hour and Leonard had no answer to him in that fight, the scorecard flattered Leonard IMO.
Why was there no rubber match in 1981?
I disagree on 2 fronts.
1)leonard fought Durans fight the first fight,throughout the entirety of the first fight,and IMO,and the opinion of some observers Ray won A close fight.
2)Leonard did not run from Duran in the second fight,he simply boxed his ears off.
On A side note,I for one I`am the last person to get on A fighter for quiting in A fight,when A man is beat,he`s beat,Like Hoya when he fought Pac A few weeks ago,but in Duran`s case,And I truly believe he is A all-time great,but I think he deserved all of the flack that he got for quiting in that fight with Leonard,Duran had not taken much punishment,he was`nt beat-up,he simply did not train hard,and perhaps thought Leonard was just gonna fight his fight again,when he found out that that night was`nt gonna go like that.He quit!
I dont care what happened in between fight`s,how Duran partied,etc.
Bottom line, you take the fight,you make the weight,you cash the check,save all the other stuff for the excuse file`s.
The fight was pre-PPV, if memory serves... Imagine if it happened now, If I cough up my half-Benjamin, would I be wrong to consider Duran a quitter, and mark him as a no-no, next time my half-Benjamins are on duty. The guy was unmarked! It baffled me then, still baffles me now.
I actually become proud of PROVEN WARRIORS that "quit".
Koysta
Eric
Duran
dela hoya
It just proves that they have accepted their limit and are wise enough to say to themselves "i wont go on, it is best for me and my family i preserve myself"
that is how I look at it. Boxing is dangerous, warriors of the sport must come to this decision at the end of their career.
u mean outboxed right :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
Duran was not at the end of his carear,not even close,he was much closer to his prime,then to his retirement,and unlike Hoya and Tszyu,Duran was not Bloodied and beaten.
It was a historic fight. Mostly because he quit and the contraversy as to why he quit. To say it was unfair to fans cause he wasnt hurt and he probably could have gone on to finish the fight is hypocritical. That argument would be that he didnt do his part to ensure the fans got their moneysworth. Now, decades later we are still talking about the fight, so that argument is baseless. Same thing goes for Tszyu. He fought his heart out for 11 rounds in a memorable fight. I wish he would have finished the fight, but he he ended his career the way he chose to, just like he chose to step in the ring in the first place. I dont think it is fair to label either a quitter.
I would`ny label Duran A quiter,but he quit in that fight with Leonard
I had the first fight 145-140 on a 10 point round system. The 2nd fight was 68-66 and 67-66 at the time of the "No Mas" Leonard was hardly boxing anyones ears off according to the judges, but what do they know? Leonard sure did a lot clowning about and never wanted to get close to Duran at anytime. You are correct in saying that Duran took the fight and what happenned in between is irrelavant. It's a shame they never fought again 12 months later.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeleTuff
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Originally Posted by kingfrnku mean outboxed right :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
No i mean ran. Outboxing would include hitting the person once or twice.
Yeah SRL was on his bicycle. He was doing more showboating than fighting. I think he had a good gameplan though and it worked. He wasnt physically outboxing him so much, he was mentally punishing him.
One theory was he had stomach cramps another theory was he wanted a shit;D
Either way he is the only fighter people would allow him to get away with his actions, cannot think of another fighter that would be allowed.
Well, you can get some mighty big stomach cramps if you hang onto that shit to long!
Can a boxer really just quit fighting the middle of a round, just because he did not feel right? This is OK? This is acceptable? And boxing fans who felt cheated out of an honest and sporting outcome, from that unusual fight stoppage, is a hypocrite?
Poor Joe Public, a victim of the end result to an irresponsible, and exaggeratedly prolonged holding of excretal function. ;)
But it's Roberto Duran, so there must be a good reason. My point being that a lot of people are such Duran worshippers that they will find a reason, or they will believe anything that he or his corner says. They are totally prepared to explain away or forgive such an action from Duran, but would not be so forgiving for anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
And what is his reason? Who knows. I've heard the stomach cramp theory, but I'm more incline to think that Leonard just got into his head, and knew he was getting beat, and psychologically Duran couldn't deal with it, at that time. My guess is he probably ended up regretting his action.
ive heard he quit cuz he needed 2 have a number 2 lol no joke as daft as it sounds, but then i seen an interveiw were duran sain leonard wuldnt stand and fight so he gave up. u cant slag a fighter 4 givin up. if u was in a fight and was gettin ur head boxed off and u knew u wasnt goin 2 win then fair play its better than gettin a beatin 4 12-15 rounds. ime not sayin u shuld just quit ime just sayin wen i fighter quits there quitin 4 a reason.