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according to boxingscene
Probably either April 11 or 18.
On HBO
Winky apparently agreed to 50-50, a bit surprising.
Can't believe Winky isn't taking some kind of tuneup.
Right now the unknown on Winky is high, I might favor Paul since I don't think Winky would have ever liked Paul's style. But as much as anything its just I can't be too confident betting on an old guy who hasn't fought in two years.
Is the fight 154-160?
Im sure its 160 but I dont want to assume... But then again knowing Williams it could be at 168.
Its at 160
Can't wait for this.
fair play to Williams, theres alot of easier options out there for him. Be intresting to see what Winkys like, he's a bit like Hopkin's, I wouldn't bet against him...
Good on Williams for wanted to fight all comers. This is an intriguing fight. A few years ago I might have favored Winky, but I'm learning towards Williams here.
Interesting fight for sure :)
Probably the 2 fighters that boxers least want as opponents, getting it on.
If Winky is in good shape, I would have to think that Winky wins this one. He fought a good fight against Jermain Taylor who I believe is the same height as Williams. I thought the Jermain vs Winky fight was a good descision. Williams is good but Jermain is better and if Winky is in shape and not too rusty from being out so long I think he'll win. I guess it all depends on Winky's condition.
Williams is becoming the next p4p king. He is fearless. I am beginning to like this guy whether he wins or loses.
i think winky will win i know hes had 2 years out the ring but still recken hes got the style 2 win this fight. both fighters cud of thought easier oppersition. but i guess wen ur 2 of the most ovoided fighters theres only 1 option fight each other haha
I favor RuPaul on this one by points...
I actually favor Winky Wright for this fight. He is not shop worn, and will be very big at that weight.
It won't be an easy ride, but I see Williams taking a decision over 12. Fairplay to both for making this fight. It isn't a gimme for either.
I believe its a bad move for Winky coming in with no tune up.Williams does take alot of shots,cut nasty vs.Phillips,though his volume was great.At Middle this is no Andy Kolle or even a worn Phillips.If Winky gets that jab going and has been doing some serious gym work,He could just take Williams.But that was a helluva lay off for a world class fighter!!
If he still has it, it's Wright 9 rounds to 3. If Quintana could out box Williams, Wright will too.
I think the only difference was, Williams was drained and lethargic for that fight, since then he has showed plenty of energy and the same workrate at 154 against PhillipsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
Very interesting fight. I never was a big fan of Winky but always respected the guy. I'm not a big fan of that type of fighter but just the same respect his ability and always tuned in to see him fight. He'll come in in shape regardless of the layoff. There may be some rust and if Paul is on his game Wnky is in for a tough night. But Winky is Winky and I'm not making any predictions just yet. LETS GET IT ON!!!
I think he over looked Quin. But I don't think he was drained. He weight about the same in there second fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI think the only difference was, Williams was drained and lethargic for that fight, since then he has showed plenty of energy and the same workrate at 154 against PhillipsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
Hopefully Williams will now leave 147 for good. He doesn't belong there. He's a marginal 154 fighter, with a height better suited for 160. His fight with Winky ought to be pretty interesting. Not sure who I'd pick. Williams has a high workrate... Winky's a defensive specialist. Probably looking at Williams by decision.
Williams has long arms, right? It seems to me that should make it easier for him to find holes in Winky's defense.
I here you man, I think the way he lost the weight and how lethargic he looked seems to lend to the idea that he was a bit drained.. He had 0 zip to him and seemed to sleepwalk thru the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Rotten AppleI think he over looked Quin. But I don't think he was drained. He weight about the same in there second fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI think the only difference was, Williams was drained and lethargic for that fight, since then he has showed plenty of energy and the same workrate at 154 against PhillipsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
good matchup
all relevant logic suggests PW should have way too much for winky to trouble him.
But Winky is so good at taking a fighter out of his comfort zone and forcing him into the trenches i`ll actually be throwing a few quid on a wright upset when this comes around ala:hopkins over pavlik
Winky impossible to look good against so fair play to Williams for taking the challenge. I think Winky may have slipped enough for Williams to outwork him for a UD.
Whoever you favor for this, it's an interesting fight. We don't know how much Winky has left in the tank, and this will be Paul's first fight against a quality MW.
Williams is definately an improved fighter since his loss to Quintana. Carlos exposed some of his flaws, but he's young and humble enough that he took the loss as a learning experience and become a more intelligent boxer. Before he was just a thrower and he way too often gave up his natural advantages in favor of throwing non-stop volumn.
Maybe it's because he's been avoided, but he makes fights with other who are avoided, and it makes him look good. He fought Tony when nobody else would and Winky is almost never anybodies first choice.
This is tough to call. I don't know what to expect from Winky and Williams is still a work in progress. I won't be laying any money on this one.
RuPaul! :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I think Williams may have officially bitten off more than he can chew. At first I thought Williams would win this, but the more I think about it, the more I like Winky. So long as Winky doesn't look old, Paul will be fighting his most dangerous, hardest-hitting (I know, but it's true) opponent. Williams' only other opponent at 160 was a tomato can. He'll be getting hit with harder shots than Margarito threw from the simple fact that it's 13lbs heavier. I'm not saying Winky can knock him out, I don't, but those harder punches will have more effect. And you have to take into account that Williams likes to throw a lot of punches and he may be discouraged that 90+% may miss or be blocked. As impressive as he's been, Williams still looks very young in his approach. The kid is all guns ablazin', but he's facing an opponent who's a sharpshooter somewhere in the jungle. You got to find him while he's steadily picking you off.
As of now, I agree with Killface. But, I haven't made up my mind completely.
Winkys been off the radar for so long he's kind of fallen out of the scene.
That's where his "better than thou" attitude took him.
Not too interested in this, but does not seem like a good fight for Williams to take..really not much reward and Winky isnt the kind of fighter to pull in lots of ppv's
I hope WWs inactivity and rust will lose it for him. PW is sitting high and losing to an old bitter winky is not going to help his career..fighting WW does not help anyones career..
The hate for Paul Williams is something I genuinely don't understand. He's never been hyped to the high heavens and he's ALWAYS willing to fight anyone and he's a very fun fighter to watch. I always hear about him being overhyped if anything he is underhyped imo. Really I don't get how people don't like him. He's got a good story, is a nice guy and willing to fight the best at 3 different divisions.
This is tough, Williams has always had problems with southpaws, he's never faced someone with a weapon like Winky has with the jab. Winky is my favorite fighter in the world I'd like to believe he can win this it just depends on what condition he is in and if he can still stand in with the best.
Interesting fight does anyone know where it will be held?
Personally I don't see how anyone could give paul Williams the win here based on his previous performances. Sure, winky has time and a long lay off against him, but seriously - look at the styles.
Paul Williams has all these attributes but when has his reach ever meant anything? Paul, today, fights exactly like JT (a much harder hitter) but with higher volume. Paul drops his lead hand all fight (JT), throws loopy wide punches (JT), flicks his jab (JT) and has a tendency to hit the ropes when pressured (JT).
JT with all his power couldn't break Winkys shell, i dont see pauls slaps doing much either. Paul gets hit WAY too much for him to be picked in this fight IMO, many jabs will land by winky. Winky will have had to have gotten very old over his layoff.
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Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
fighting winky will give williams much more worldwide attention than fighting verno phillips!!
I agree its a lose lose in terms of PW`s career progression as he`s fighting an awkward opponent who not many believe should give him problems but indeed will do.
But if he does manage to come out of it with a "W" to his record then it shoots PW right up the list of top middleweights and guarantees him a couple of big paydays ahead!
I think you underestimate the ability of Williams here. Winky's layoff will cause him an issue. I see him being rusty in the early going, and his workrate being kinda low. Paul is likely to outland him and outwork him in the early going, and I see him keeping up a high enough workrate to wrack up the points leave Winky to push on in the latter rounds with it being too little too late. I just don't think you can have such a long layoff and go in with a young, active fighter who throws so many punches per round.Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
oh yea. i cant wait. :)
paul by UD but i wont count out winky, hes still a very good boxer
Actually, Taylor broke Winky's shell quite a bit, especially when they fought in the center of the ring. Winky's face was pretty swollen after the fight. Hell, even Sam Soliman touched up Winky quite a bit in their bout. He was already starting to slip a bit even before the layoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
One thing to keep in mind about Williams is the way he commits to body work. That is one area he will be able to score regularly on Winky and wear him down. I see a points win for Williams at this stage.
JT barely broke through at all he landed probably 20 clean punches that whole fight it's just that most were deflected. The only time JT had any success in that fight was when Winky would get flatfooted and stop moving forward behind his jab. IMO he beat Taylor fairly clearly if not obviously but whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClubberLangActually, Taylor broke Winky's shell quite a bit, especially when they fought in the center of the ring. Winky's face was pretty swollen after the fight. Hell, even Sam Soliman touched up Winky quite a bit in their bout. He was already starting to slip a bit even before the layoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
One thing to keep in mind about Williams is the way he commits to body work. That is one area he will be able to score regularly on Winky and wear him down. I see a points win for Williams at this stage.
Against Soliman Soliman was valliant but he landed nothing all he did was throw punches which turned Winky into more of a counterpuncher then he usually is.
I think Intoccabile is just pointing out all those flaws that Williams as and how they relate to Jermain Taylor which isn't all that bad of a deal for Paul as it sounds imo. He's still a very good fighter but Winky is a great fighter, a great fighter who at his best or near his best would beat Paul Williams. I just worry about the layoff and Paul is peaking.
Williams takes this one now. Winkys too old IMO. A few years ago like when he dismantled Tito then I'd have probably swung in winky's favour.
Anyone know where this fight is taking place? I was hoping since Winky is from St Pete Florida the fight might be in Tampa, if so I'm there.
Dan Rafael on ESPN said this was all but set, but not set, which is a bit strange since boxingscene said it was set. I assume its just details of the contract that have to be hammered out.
April 11 or April 18, no venue yet I guess.
I didn't see Jermain Taylor land much solid punches against Winky Wright, although i do agree he broke through the guard successfully quite a few times. I don't think Paul Williams would have that same kind of success though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClubberLangActually, Taylor broke Winky's shell quite a bit, especially when they fought in the center of the ring. Winky's face was pretty swollen after the fight. Hell, even Sam Soliman touched up Winky quite a bit in their bout. He was already starting to slip a bit even before the layoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
One thing to keep in mind about Williams is the way he commits to body work. That is one area he will be able to score regularly on Winky and wear him down. I see a points win for Williams at this stage.
Paul Williams should go to the body he was hitting Vernon Phillips around the side of the ribs, very well and Vernon Phillips was at times holding his hands high in a similar way to Winky Wright.
Obviously nowhere near as good as Winky Wright, but i think body shots will be the key here. And lastly as for Sam Soliman did he virtually land 1 solid hard punch all night against Winky Wright ?
Because all i see was Sam Soliman throwing punches like a windmill, missing most of his punches and when he did land his punches were soft because they were arm punches, i thought Winky Wright dealt with Sam Soliman quite comfortably, although he lost a few rounds when he done virtually nothing in the round, and let the busier guy steal the rounds.
The problem is here im not sure who i should root for i think Paul Williams winning is better for boxing, because he has alot of fights ahead of him where as Winky Wright doesn't. But i've always mostly rooted for Winky Wright against every opponent he's fought, and Winky Wright is one of my favorite modern fighters. And i would love to see him get a big win considering he had to fight all over the world alot in his early career.
I dont think we can say that at this stage just yet... We have seen the best of Winky but Paul has a long way to go, whether its for the good or badQuote:
Originally Posted by amat