How Did Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito Win FOTY ?

I was just looking up online and see it won the FOTY ? i was pretty shocked at that if im honest.

Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez 3
Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis
Tomas Villa vs Rogers Mtagwa
Jorge Arce vs Rafael Concepcion

What about these fights ? honestly i thought atleast 3 out of the 4 fights i listed above were easily better than Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto, don't get me wrong Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito was a cracking fight, but i certainly didn't think it was the FOTY. And i was pretty shocked it won FOTY aswell.

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

I was just looking up online and see it won the FOTY ? i was pretty shocked at that if im honest.

Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez 3
Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis
Tomas Villa vs Rogers Mtagwa
Jorge Arce vs Rafael Concepcion

What about these fights ? honestly i thought atleast 3 out of the 4 fights i listed above were easily better than Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto, don't get me wrong Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito was a cracking fight, but i certainly didn't think it was the FOTY. And i was pretty shocked it won FOTY aswell.

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Because not that many people have Showtime!

It was a great championship fight that really meant something, in a very strong division. Between two admired and high profile fighters who fought their asses off. A good contrast in styles, a good clash of wills. I suppose there may have been "better" fights from a technical standpoint, but this one ruled because it had "the whole package", including some of the intangibles.

Even if your going by popularity, how did Pacquiao-Marquez 2 no beat it? That fight was amazing, really close, there was knockdown, there was back and forth action. Watching both fights live, I found that fight way more intrigueing because it was close in every round, and they were trading huge punches.

In the Margarito-Cotto fight, Cotto was landing huge punches and Margarito was walking forwad, then it seemed like MArgarito was able to land for a round or two and it was over.

I went with Villa Vs. Mtagwa.No name recognition,no huge purses,title belts,or lucrative rematches waiting in the wings......just all out passion and honest action.Two guys who you probally will not see on a major network but just as worthy of the respect earned by all of the others mentioned.Just a fierce second to second brawl :fight:

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

I was just looking up online and see it won the FOTY ? i was pretty shocked at that if im honest.

Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez 3
Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis
Tomas Villa vs Rogers Mtagwa
Jorge Arce vs Rafael Concepcion

What about these fights ? honestly i thought atleast 3 out of the 4 fights i listed above were easily better than Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto, don't get me wrong Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito was a cracking fight, but i certainly didn't think it was the FOTY. And i was pretty shocked it won FOTY aswell.

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Because of its significance. Two top welterweights in a strong division.

Evenly matched fighters.

The suspense.

The rivalry between Puerto Rico fighters and Mexican fighters.

Cotto winning the first half of the fight; Margarito winning the second half of the fight.

The dramatic knockout finish.

Of course, the FOTY will always be constrained by subjectivity, which is why the aforementioned characteristics can be aptly applied to many of the great fights of the year. Personally, I eagerly anticipated this fight and it lived up to my expectations.

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

I was just looking up online and see it won the FOTY ? i was pretty shocked at that if im honest.

Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez 3
Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis
Tomas Villa vs Rogers Mtagwa
Jorge Arce vs Rafael Concepcion

What about these fights ? honestly i thought atleast 3 out of the 4 fights i listed above were easily better than Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto, don't get me wrong Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito was a cracking fight, but i certainly didn't think it was the FOTY. And i was pretty shocked it won FOTY aswell.

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From what I understand it won the fans poll for Fight of the year. It's not Ring magazine official choice. I don't think that's been announce yet.

I think Cotto Margarito is absolutely the right choice. It was by far the most significant fight of 2008, the unstoppable Cotto on his way to superstardom and claiming the undisputed welterweight crown was brutally and stunningly knocked out by the iron chinned Tornado Antonio Margarito.

It's a fight that will be remembered for years to come.

The others fights mentioned, well the Arce and Mtagwa fights simply arn't significant at all in the scale of things. The results have no real impact on the boxing world, none of the fighters involved were elite and the fights havn't created any shockwaves through the boxing world.

The Vazquez Marquez fight was brilliant, but it was the third in a trilogy and they won fight of the year last year so fair enough that Cotto and Margarito share the honour for 08. It was a memorable, ultra exciting, hard fought, intense battle between two of the world's finest and ended in dramatic fashion, deserving of all the plaudit's it gets imo.

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

I was just looking up online and see it won the FOTY ? i was pretty shocked at that if im honest.

Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez 3
Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis
Tomas Villa vs Rogers Mtagwa
Jorge Arce vs Rafael Concepcion

What about these fights ? honestly i thought atleast 3 out of the 4 fights i listed above were easily better than Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto, don't get me wrong Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito was a cracking fight, but i certainly didn't think it was the FOTY. And i was pretty shocked it won FOTY aswell.

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From what I understand it won the fans poll for Fight of the year. It's not Ring magazine official choice. I don't think that's been announce yet.

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Yea. Ring Magazine's official "End of the Year" awards come out in the next issue. Those awards were formulated through fan voting.

Me personally, I had a certain criteria when it came to picking my fight of the year. I chose JMM vs Pac II for certain reasons. Cotto vs Marg and Marquez vs Vasquez were both great fights as well.

Cotto vs Margarito had one big momentum swing. Cotto dominated the early rounds and Margarito eventually caught up then, bang, fight over. They were both elite welterweights and the fight lived up to the hype. Couldn't have asked for more but to me it was only the 3rd best fight of 2008.

Marquez vs Vasquez was for a world title, the RING belt, had numerous momentum changes, had a winner decided in the last round, and well surpassed the hype. This was my second choise for fight of the year.

Pacquiao vs Marquez II was my favorite fight of the year for the following reasons:

-WBC title on the line
-RING belt on the line
-Two most elite fighters in the weight class
-Momentum changed within 1 or 2 rounds
-Both fighters were cut and bleeding
-The rematch had been anticipated for 4 years
-The fight was a slugfest and tactical at the same time
-The fight lived up to the hype and expectations
-Most importantly, for me, it was #2 vs #3 P4P at the moment. The P4P rankings are what seperated my decision between this fight and Marquez vs Vasquez.

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

I was just looking up online and see it won the FOTY ? i was pretty shocked at that if im honest.

Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez 3
Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis
Tomas Villa vs Rogers Mtagwa
Jorge Arce vs Rafael Concepcion

What about these fights ? honestly i thought atleast 3 out of the 4 fights i listed above were easily better than Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto, don't get me wrong Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito was a cracking fight, but i certainly didn't think it was the FOTY. And i was pretty shocked it won FOTY aswell.

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I think it was a 2 horse race with the first and Cotto-Margarito and I can't get upset. It was a fight with a ton of hype that a lot of people watched and they put on probably the best fight on HBO PPV since Barrera-Morales 3 and it had so much drama it was a crazy fight.

And I think it was a way better fight then Casa-Katsidis just without the knockdowns and it was at a waaay higher level then Villa and Mtagwa even though that was a great fight. In a year that didn't have a great fight at the top level that would have been it but not this year despite how great of a bout it was.

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Originally Posted by amat

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

I was just looking up online and see it won the FOTY ? i was pretty shocked at that if im honest.

Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez 3
Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis
Tomas Villa vs Rogers Mtagwa
Jorge Arce vs Rafael Concepcion

What about these fights ? honestly i thought atleast 3 out of the 4 fights i listed above were easily better than Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto, don't get me wrong Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito was a cracking fight, but i certainly didn't think it was the FOTY. And i was pretty shocked it won FOTY aswell.

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I think it was a 2 horse race with the first and Cotto-Margarito and I can't get upset. It was a fight with a ton of hype that a lot of people watched and they put on probably the best fight on HBO PPV since Barrera-Morales 3 and it had so much drama it was a crazy fight.

And I think it was a way better fight then Casa-Katsidis just without the knockdowns and it was at a waaay higher level then Villa and Mtagwa even though that was a great fight. In a year that didn't have a great fight at the top level that would have been it but not this year despite how great of a bout it was.

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Good posting Amat, I agree completely, I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear

Yeah it's easy as internet fans to watch fights all the time and watch them out of context days later or weeks later and rate fights specifically on what happened in the ring. But there is so much more then look at Ali he has I think 5 ring magazine fights of the year and 2 were with Leon Spinks and Doug Jones. Not exactly fights that jump out at you when you watch them in the ring but when you consider the external circumstances it's not hard to see why they got Fights of the year.

There are exceptions like a couple years ago when Monshipor fought Somsak and it won Fight Of The Year simply because in 2006 we had nothing even remotely close to that type of fight in 2006 where this year that probably wouldn't have won.

Plus it's not like it's a bad fight and there is no way you can say with any conviction that any of those 3 were easily better then Cotto-Margarito for the reasons I already mentioned. Bilbo I'm still going to neg rep you just to let you know but if it makes you feel any better you aren't dead wrong here.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I think Cotto Margarito is absolutely the right choice. It was by far the most significant fight of 2008, the unstoppable Cotto on his way to superstardom and claiming the undisputed welterweight crown was brutally and stunningly knocked out by the iron chinned Tornado Antonio Margarito.

It's a fight that will be remembered for years to come.

The others fights mentioned, well the Arce and Mtagwa fights simply arn't significant at all in the scale of things. The results have no real impact on the boxing world, none of the fighters involved were elite and the fights havn't created any shockwaves through the boxing world.

The Vazquez Marquez fight was brilliant, but it was the third in a trilogy and they won fight of the year last year so fair enough that Cotto and Margarito share the honour for 08. It was a memorable, ultra exciting, hard fought, intense battle between two of the world's finest and ended in dramatic fashion, deserving of all the plaudit's it gets imo.

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Most of Arturo Gatti best fights didn't change a thing in the boxing world, but he still won a ton of FOTY's. I think FOTY's should be just for pure action/drama ETC no matter if its between the two best fighters in a division or against unknown fighters.

I know bigger names add to the drama more, but IMO big names or not a great fight is a great fight and even if it is between two unknown fighters, if its the best FOTY it should still win the FOTY. Just look at 2006 had anyone really heard of those fighters before ? but it still won the FOTY and rightfully so because it was the most action packed fight of the year.

Miguel Cotto/Antonio Margarito was a very good fight but it certainly, didn't have that special feeling i had when i watched Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez 3. Or any of the fights i watched above i guess its just personal opinion.

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Originally Posted by amat

Yeah it's easy as internet fans to watch fights all the time and watch them out of context days later or weeks later and rate fights specifically on what happened in the ring. But there is so much more then look at Ali he has I think 5 ring magazine fights of the year and 2 were with Leon Spinks and Doug Jones. Not exactly fights that jump out at you when you watch them in the ring but when you consider the external circumstances it's not hard to see why they got Fights of the year.

There are exceptions like a couple years ago when Monshipor fought Somsak and it won Fight Of The Year simply because in 2006 we had nothing even remotely close to that type of fight in 2006 where this year that probably wouldn't have won.

Plus it's not like it's a bad fight and there is no way you can say with any conviction that any of those 3 were easily better then Cotto-Margarito for the reasons I already mentioned. Bilbo I'm still going to neg rep you just to let you know but if it makes you feel any better you aren't dead wrong here.

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Well i don't know how many good fights were in 1963. But i do know in 1978 Larry Holmes/Ken Norton, was a much better fight than Leon Spinks/Muhammad Ali 1, which was a mostly boring fight until the later rounds.

i went with pacquiao-marquez II on the basis of sheer excitement and intensity throughout the fight.

Remember watching that fight in real time at 4 in the morning and going from very sleepy to sat on the edge of my chair tingling with anticipation as to what was gonna happen next.

at the same time though cotto-margarito winning is completely understandable and that is also a fight you could happily watch several times over and never get bored of.

Another factor of the Pacquiao vs Marquez fight was that they are both so explosive. Margarito does the same thing over and over again at a slow pace, it is effective, but it doesn't look good. Cotto looks good, but he still doesn't have that exciting explosion when he moves in.

Both Pacquiao and Marquez are explosive and exciting, they didn't bow down to eachother's arsenals. They are both better than either Margarito and Cotto, IMO they both fought as hard as Margarito, and not like Cotto who gave up. Both of them put it all on the line.

Its like watching Gatti-Ward or Barrera-Morales. I would pick the second one every time. More skill, same drive and determination.

Well Barrera-Morales was probably a more exciting fight regardless of skill level imo.

But no way Pac-Marquez was the FOTY imo I didn't find it to be a particulary great fight but to me it just wasn't enough action. And Margarito-Cotto had way more then just one momentum change.

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Originally Posted by amat

Well Barrera-Morales was probably a more exciting fight regardless of skill level imo.

But no way Pac-Marquez was the FOTY imo I didn't find it to be a particulary great fight but to me it just wasn't enough action. And Margarito-Cotto had way more then just one momentum change.

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I don't know amat. I thought the fight went Cotto's way in the beginning rounds, then you slowly started to see Margarito wear Cotto down, then Margarito took him out. I haven't seen the fight since the night it happened, but that's what I remember watching..

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

I was just looking up online and see it won the FOTY ? i was pretty shocked at that if im honest.

Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez 3
Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis
Tomas Villa vs Rogers Mtagwa
Jorge Arce vs Rafael Concepcion

What about these fights ? honestly i thought atleast 3 out of the 4 fights i listed above were easily better than Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto, don't get me wrong Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito was a cracking fight, but i certainly didn't think it was the FOTY. And i was pretty shocked it won FOTY aswell.

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I think it was a 2 horse race with the first and Cotto-Margarito and I can't get upset. It was a fight with a ton of hype that a lot of people watched and they put on probably the best fight on HBO PPV since Barrera-Morales 3 and it had so much drama it was a crazy fight.

And I think it was a way better fight then Casa-Katsidis just without the knockdowns and it was at a waaay higher level then Villa and Mtagwa even though that was a great fight. In a year that didn't have a great fight at the top level that would have been it but not this year despite how great of a bout it was.

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For the back and forth action, I thought Marquez-Pac II was FOTY. It was worth the 4 year wait in every way. But Cotto-Tony and Rafa-Izzy have their arguments.

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

I was just looking up online and see it won the FOTY ? i was pretty shocked at that if im honest.

Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez 3
Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis
Tomas Villa vs Rogers Mtagwa
Jorge Arce vs Rafael Concepcion

What about these fights ? honestly i thought atleast 3 out of the 4 fights i listed above were easily better than Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto, don't get me wrong Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito was a cracking fight, but i certainly didn't think it was the FOTY. And i was pretty shocked it won FOTY aswell.

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Who ever gave the award must have missed the pacquiao marquez rematch! but the round of the year lasted about 20 seconds, breidis prescott sparkin amir khan!

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

I was just looking up online and see it won the FOTY ? i was pretty shocked at that if im honest.

Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez 3
Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis
Tomas Villa vs Rogers Mtagwa
Jorge Arce vs Rafael Concepcion

What about these fights ? honestly i thought atleast 3 out of the 4 fights i listed above were easily better than Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto, don't get me wrong Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito was a cracking fight, but i certainly didn't think it was the FOTY. And i was pretty shocked it won FOTY aswell.

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Who ever gave the award must have missed the pacquiao marquez rematch! but the round of the year lasted about 20 seconds, breidis prescott sparkin amir khan!

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Couldn't really be round of the year because it was one-sided LOL!

You can only pick one fight and i think cotto/margarito is deserving. I still get excited when i watch it.

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

I was just looking up online and see it won the FOTY ? i was pretty shocked at that if im honest.

Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vasquez 3
Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis
Tomas Villa vs Rogers Mtagwa
Jorge Arce vs Rafael Concepcion

What about these fights ? honestly i thought atleast 3 out of the 4 fights i listed above were easily better than Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto, don't get me wrong Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito was a cracking fight, but i certainly didn't think it was the FOTY. And i was pretty shocked it won FOTY aswell.

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Who ever gave the award must have missed the pacquiao marquez rematch! but the round of the year lasted about 20 seconds, breidis prescott sparkin amir khan!

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Couldn't really be round of the year because it was one-sided LOL!

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LOL, yeah but it was for me! i just wanted to see someone put that little asian invasian thinks hes ten men bastard on his ass!

Probbably because it was a back and forth war. There was knockdowns, cuts and blood. And the underdog came out victorious when after the first 5/6 rounds it looked like he would be taught a lesson throughout. As well it was the two best welterweights going up against each other. The determination shown in both fighters was incredible too.

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Who ever gave the award must have missed the pacquiao marquez rematch! but the round of the year lasted about 20 seconds, breidis prescott sparkin amir khan!

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Couldn't really be round of the year because it was one-sided LOL!

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LOL, yeah but it was for me! i just wanted to see someone put that little asian invasian thinks hes ten men bastard on his ass!

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What does his ethnicity have to do with anything? :-\

Even though my boy lost, it was a great fight and I am glad to hear it was chosen for FOTY and I wont argue with it. I think Ring Mag should consider PAC vs ODLH as their choice for FOTY ;D

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I think Cotto Margarito is absolutely the right choice. It was by far the most significant fight of 2008, the unstoppable Cotto on his way to superstardom and claiming the undisputed welterweight crown was brutally and stunningly knocked out by the iron chinned Tornado Antonio Margarito.

It's a fight that will be remembered for years to come.

The others fights mentioned, well the Arce and Mtagwa fights simply arn't significant at all in the scale of things. The results have no real impact on the boxing world, none of the fighters involved were elite and the fights havn't created any shockwaves through the boxing world.

The Vazquez Marquez fight was brilliant, but it was the third in a trilogy and they won fight of the year last year so fair enough that Cotto and Margarito share the honour for 08. It was a memorable, ultra exciting, hard fought, intense battle between two of the world's finest and ended in dramatic fashion, deserving of all the plaudit's it gets imo.

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Quite possibly one of your better posts since the one from March of last year. :appl:
Well done Bilbs keep up the good work.
I really do agree with what you said.

I would have liked Rafa-Izzy III cause I was there ringside but I've got no problems with Cotto-Tony afterall it was a brilliant fight and one that had just as much action and drama as the rest.

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Couldn't really be round of the year because it was one-sided LOL!

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LOL, yeah but it was for me! i just wanted to see someone put that little asian invasian thinks hes ten men bastard on his ass!

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What does his ethnicity have to do with anything? :-\

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nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

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LOL, yeah but it was for me! i just wanted to see someone put that little asian invasian thinks hes ten men bastard on his ass!

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What does his ethnicity have to do with anything? :-\

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nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

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Khan is from Bolton so why would he own Manchester ?

And cut the racism as well. Talking like that won't get you far on this site. No need for it whatsoever.

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LOL, yeah but it was for me! i just wanted to see someone put that little asian invasian thinks hes ten men bastard on his ass!

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What does his ethnicity have to do with anything? :-\

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nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

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First of all, how would you know they're "immigrants"? Because of the color of their skin? That's not exactly a fool proof technique. You have no idea how long they've lived in the same country as you, and it doesn't matter anyways unless you're a small minded bigot or a drooling moron. Second, why would it matter if they are "immigrants" or not? If someone is an ass, they're an ass regardless of ethnicity or which country they were born in, where they're from has no bearing on anything. Finally, I'm curious, how are "immigrants" supposed to act?

Lefty is right, racism doesn't get you very far around here. I find your last statement more offensive than your first.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I think Cotto Margarito is absolutely the right choice. It was by far the most significant fight of 2008, the unstoppable Cotto on his way to superstardom and claiming the undisputed welterweight crown was brutally and stunningly knocked out by the iron chinned Tornado Antonio Margarito.

It's a fight that will be remembered for years to come.

The others fights mentioned, well the Arce and Mtagwa fights simply arn't significant at all in the scale of things. The results have no real impact on the boxing world, none of the fighters involved were elite and the fights havn't created any shockwaves through the boxing world.

The Vazquez Marquez fight was brilliant, but it was the third in a trilogy and they won fight of the year last year so fair enough that Cotto and Margarito share the honour for 08. It was a memorable, ultra exciting, hard fought, intense battle between two of the world's finest and ended in dramatic fashion, deserving of all the plaudit's it gets imo.

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Quite possibly one of your better posts since the one from March of last year. :appl:
Well done Bilbs keep up the good work.
I really do agree with what you said.

I would have liked Rafa-Izzy III cause I was there ringside but I've got no problems with Cotto-Tony afterall it was a brilliant fight and one that had just as much action and drama as the rest.

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I disagree Israel Vasquez was down in the 4th round, then needed a big 12th round to save the fight. He come out in the 12th round and battered Rafael Marquez.

And we was all wondering if Rafael Marquez could stand up, and in the last few seconds he goes down with only the ropes holding him up. It was one of the best fights i've seen in years.

The skill level was higher in the Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez 3 fight, it was more dramatic. More action and much more 2 way action. After the 6th round it was all mostly Antonio Margarito.

You could see Miguel Cotto was badly wearing out, and after the 10th i knew Miguel Cotto would get stopped, i watched both fights live and Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez 3 for certain had a much more special feeling to me.

Bilbo says Antonio Margarito/Miguel Cotto was a fight between the two best fighters in there division, but so was Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez. And they were also both high in the top 10 P4P rankings. Where as Antonio Margarito wasn't nowhere near the top 10 P4P rankings.

So it for certain felt more special to me and and more significant, i know its easy with hindsight but really and truthfully in the later rounds. It was all really Antonio Margarito, and you could sense Miguel Cotto was going to get stopped i know i did.

But in the Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez 3 fight it went back/forth so many times, where as Miguel Cotto/Antonio Margarito fight didn't. Who could of predicted Israel Vasquez would of battered Rafael Marquez like that in the 12th round ?

So basically my reasons for Israel Vasquez/Rafael Marquez 3 being a better fight. More action, better skill, knockdowns on both side, more back and forth action, more significant fight, both fighters high in the top 10.

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What does his ethnicity have to do with anything? :-\

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nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

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Khan is from Bolton so why would he own Manchester ?

And cut the racism as well. Talking like that won't get you far on this site. No need for it whatsoever.

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Im not racist. and if you knew anything about geography you would find bolton is in greater manchester.

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What does his ethnicity have to do with anything? :-\

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nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

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First of all, how would you know they're "immigrants"? Because of the color of their skin? That's not exactly a fool proof technique. You have no idea how long they've lived in the same country as you, and it doesn't matter anyways unless you're a small minded bigot or a drooling moron. Second, why would it matter if they are "immigrants" or not? If someone is an ass, they're an ass regardless of ethnicity or which country they were born in, where they're from has no bearing on anything. Finally, I'm curious, how are "immigrants" supposed to act?

Lefty is right, racism doesn't get you very far around here. I find your last statement more offensive than your first.

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Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

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nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

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First of all, how would you know they're "immigrants"? Because of the color of their skin? That's not exactly a fool proof technique. You have no idea how long they've lived in the same country as you, and it doesn't matter anyways unless you're a small minded bigot or a drooling moron. Second, why would it matter if they are "immigrants" or not? If someone is an ass, they're an ass regardless of ethnicity or which country they were born in, where they're from has no bearing on anything. Finally, I'm curious, how are "immigrants" supposed to act?

Lefty is right, racism doesn't get you very far around here. I find your last statement more offensive than your first.

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Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

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How is that not racist?

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nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

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Khan is from Bolton so why would he own Manchester ?

And cut the racism as well. Talking like that won't get you far on this site. No need for it whatsoever.

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Im not racist. and if you knew anything about geography you would find bolton is in greater manchester.

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Bolton is in Lancashire.
Manchester is in Greater Manchester.

Bolton is next to Manchester. But it certainly isn't in it.

Bolton, Lancashire - Google Maps

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nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

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First of all, how would you know they're "immigrants"? Because of the color of their skin? That's not exactly a fool proof technique. You have no idea how long they've lived in the same country as you, and it doesn't matter anyways unless you're a small minded bigot or a drooling moron. Second, why would it matter if they are "immigrants" or not? If someone is an ass, they're an ass regardless of ethnicity or which country they were born in, where they're from has no bearing on anything. Finally, I'm curious, how are "immigrants" supposed to act?

Lefty is right, racism doesn't get you very far around here. I find your last statement more offensive than your first.

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Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

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Of course you're not trying to start an argument, because you have an indefensible position.

As for my community, ignoring the fact that almost everyone who lives in my country was essentially an immigrant, it is very multi-cultural. We have massive numbers of immigrants who have come here from Asia, India, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, South America etc. Many of them speak their own languages, they have jobs, and *gasp* they're even allowed to vote if they're citizens. If it wasn't for immigrants, our population would be shrinking in size.

And you know what? No one, aside from blithering idiots who are both paranoid and stupid enough to blame others for their own problems, minds a bit. As a matter of fact, it's a point of pride for many Canadians that our country is as multi-cultural as it is.

All your post does is reinforce the fact that you are in fact both racist and xenophobic. The fact that your chose one ethnicity/nationality/whatever to single out only adds to the evidence.

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First of all, how would you know they're "immigrants"? Because of the color of their skin? That's not exactly a fool proof technique. You have no idea how long they've lived in the same country as you, and it doesn't matter anyways unless you're a small minded bigot or a drooling moron. Second, why would it matter if they are "immigrants" or not? If someone is an ass, they're an ass regardless of ethnicity or which country they were born in, where they're from has no bearing on anything. Finally, I'm curious, how are "immigrants" supposed to act?

Lefty is right, racism doesn't get you very far around here. I find your last statement more offensive than your first.

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Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

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How is that not racist?

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how is it you stupid nob head.am i wrong? no.

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First of all, how would you know they're "immigrants"? Because of the color of their skin? That's not exactly a fool proof technique. You have no idea how long they've lived in the same country as you, and it doesn't matter anyways unless you're a small minded bigot or a drooling moron. Second, why would it matter if they are "immigrants" or not? If someone is an ass, they're an ass regardless of ethnicity or which country they were born in, where they're from has no bearing on anything. Finally, I'm curious, how are "immigrants" supposed to act?

Lefty is right, racism doesn't get you very far around here. I find your last statement more offensive than your first.

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Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

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Of course you're not trying to start an argument, because you have an indefensible position.

As for my community, ignoring the fact that almost everyone who lives in my country was essentially an immigrant, it is very multi-cultural. We have massive numbers of immigrants who have come here from Asia, India, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, South America etc. Many of them speak their own languages, they have jobs, and *gasp* they're even allowed to vote if they're citizens. If it wasn't for immigrants, our population would be shrinking in size.

And you know what? No one, aside from blithering idiots who are both paranoid and stupid enough to blame others for their own problems, minds a bit. As a matter of fact, it's a point of pride for many Canadians that our country is as multi-cultural as it is.

All your post does is reinforce the fact that you are in fact both racist and xenophobic. The fact that your chose one ethnicity/nationality/whatever to single out only adds to the evidence.

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Ok well come and have a look at manchester, then you might see my problem. until then seen as tho you havnt been here and experienced what im talking about, shut the fuck up.

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Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

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How is that not racist?

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how is it you stupid nob head.am i wrong? no.

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Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

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Of course you're not trying to start an argument, because you have an indefensible position.

As for my community, ignoring the fact that almost everyone who lives in my country was essentially an immigrant, it is very multi-cultural. We have massive numbers of immigrants who have come here from Asia, India, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, South America etc. Many of them speak their own languages, they have jobs, and *gasp* they're even allowed to vote if they're citizens. If it wasn't for immigrants, our population would be shrinking in size.

And you know what? No one, aside from blithering idiots who are both paranoid and stupid enough to blame others for their own problems, minds a bit. As a matter of fact, it's a point of pride for many Canadians that our country is as multi-cultural as it is.

All your post does is reinforce the fact that you are in fact both racist and xenophobic. The fact that your chose one ethnicity/nationality/whatever to single out only adds to the evidence.

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Ok well come and have a look at manchester, then you might see my problem. until then seen as tho you havnt been here and experienced what im talking about, shut the fuck up.

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Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

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How is that not racist?

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how is it you stupid nob head.am i wrong? no.

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Somehow I'm not insulted by the term nob head coming from you. Because they are speaking their native tongue you assume that they are calling you names, that's ridiculous.