Is Evander Holyfield really a drug cheat?

For the last year or so I've been hearing that Evander Holyfield the only four time Heavyweight champion of the world and former undisputed Cruiserweight champion of the world was rumoured to have been using Human growth hormone, a steroid that is virtually untraceable.
Holyfield though denies the claims (obviously), and to be honest I really hope that the claims Evan Fields (Holyfields supposed alias) is all just fabricated nonsense.
Holyfield is my favourite ever heayweight so more out of hope than anything I'm going to vote that NO he is not a drug cheat. What do you guys think?

Well besides his tricky alias, Evan Fields, when the files were confiscated with that name on it it also had his address. So there is some very bad evidence against Holyfield. Whats gets me is that when a baseball player is accused they point out his build and how he beefed up. I don't agree with this because working out and using supplements will put on nice gains. But if you did the same with Holyfield he would easily be convicted by public opinion. You would be hard pressed to find a boxer with a muscular and defining build like Holyfield. There may not be even one. And as far as steroids. I know a lot of amateur athletes on the juice and I would only imagine that it gets heavy when salaries are at stake. I believe a lot of sports have a performance enhancing drug problem. Whether it be known or not.

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Originally Posted by blegit

Well besides his tricky alias, Evan Fields, when the files were confiscated with that name on it it also had his address. So there is some very bad evidence against Holyfield. Whats gets me is that when a baseball player is accused they point out his build and how he beefed up. I don't agree with this because working out and using supplements will put on nice gains. But if you did the same with Holyfield he would easily be convicted by public opinion. You would be hard pressed to find a boxer with a muscular and defining build like Holyfield. There may not be even one. And as far as steroids. I know a lot of amateur athletes on the juice and I would only imagine that it gets heavy when salaries are at stake. I believe a lot of sports have a performance enhancing drug problem. Whether it be known or not.

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Holyfield had a tremendous physique when he was down at Cruiser so I don't think it made much difference to that. Plus if you look at James Toneys figure who has been proven to be on steroids twice it doesn't always work like that. Also there have been a few boxers with a good body. There is David Haye nowadays there was Frank Bruno in his day, Kenny Norton had quite a similar Body to Holyfield so I wouldn't say it neccesarily points towards steroid use.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

For the last year or so I've been hearing that Evander Holyfield the only four time Heavyweight champion of the world and former undisputed Cruiserweight champion of the world was rumoured to have been using Human growth hormone, a steroid that is virtually untraceable.
Holyfield though denies the claims (obviously), and to be honest I really hope that the claims Evan Fields (Holyfields supposed alias) is all just fabricated nonsense.
Holyfield is my favourite ever heayweight so more out of hope than anything I'm going to vote that NO he is not a drug cheat. What do you guys think?

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I think it is disrespectful to Muhammad Ali (a legitimate 3 time heavyweight champion),to refer to Holyfield as a 4 time heavyweight champion. Sure Holyfield was a 4 time alphabet titlest, but he was only really a 2 time Heavyweight Champion.

Holyfield has been tested many times as most fighters on the championship level are. Hes never tested positive. Anyone can be accused of steroid use, but until its proven he should be given the benefit of the doubt. Hes always had a good physique, even at 46 and his weight has been consistant. He just trains hard and has good genetics. Being a faster heavyweight who was quick with his hands and feet and never been a monstrous puncher, steroid use would hurt his performance if anything. Also, steroids is known to do a lot of damage to your body. Every steroid user ive seen has not physically looked good in their 40s and their performance drastically changes when they stop using. Holyfield just doesnt fit the part imo.

Its definitely possible, there's probably more guys doing it than we think, it wouldn't shock me if Holyfield, did, always had suspicions about Roy's rise to heavy honestly, but there's no clear evidence about that. Obviously Toney. He's stupid enough to actually fail a drug test, dumb ass ;D If you look at some articles recently it seems pretty much lock tight that Mosley did. Its not a question of whether he did or not, he just says that he didn't know what Balco was giving him but honestly there's not much there at all to support that claim.

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Originally Posted by Boom Boom

steroids is known to do a lot of damage to your body.

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Like shrunken bollocks and a bad ticker??;D

SI.com - More Sports - SI: Holyfield allegedly received steroids, HGH via alias - Thursday March 1, 2007 3:48PM

if my memory serves, he ballooned up in record time. He is like Barry Bonds: skinny to start, massive to end. Hard work alone doesn't do that.

Yeah, he did bulk up real fast from cruiser to heavy. I am quite sure it's rampant. Some just get caught. All the top level guys are doing it in my opinion.

Like it said in the artical I posted, they only get tested just before the fight, if they were to get randomly tested half way through training im sure loads would be caught and Evan Fields would suddenly feel its the right time to retire;)

Shocking that Ross jumped all over this one

I always thought it was strange how Evander Holyfield bulked up, so quickly between Riddick Bowe 1/Riddick Bowe 2. In the rematch he put on alot of muscle mass.

I put yes, though I would have prefered an answer that said, "it kinda looks that way, based on the evidence".

Getting back to Toney. Was there ever a pattern of usage determined? I seemed to recall he used it short term to recover from injury, rather than long term for bulk. Can anybody shed light on that?

Personally, when you talk about using steroids to recover from injury, I'm not so sure it's a bad thing. Though it is against the rules. What do others think about that?

I don't quite understand what Toney was doing. Flat out, if you get caught for it on a drug test for a championship fight you are the worst steroid user ever. I heard somewhere that the Ruiz fight came quicker than he thought and he took it anyway, I don't know?

Ice-it was 12 pounds in a year. That's not impossible but like I said I wouldn't be surprised if he was using,

Roy Jones put on almost twenty pounds in about 5 months before Ruiz and he still didn't look like he had an ounce of fat. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by CGM

I put yes, though I would have prefered an answer that said, "it kinda looks that way, based on the evidence".

Getting back to Toney. Was there ever a pattern of usage determined? I seemed to recall he used it short term to recover from injury, rather than long term for bulk. Can anybody shed light on that?

Personally, when you talk about using steroids to recover from injury, I'm not so sure it's a bad thing. Though it is against the rules. What do others think about that?

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Its not like the steroids done James Toney any good anyway, he was still a fat slob in the John Ruiz fight.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I don't quite understand what Toney was doing. Flat out, if you get caught for it on a drug test for a championship fight you are the worst steroid user ever. I heard somewhere that the Ruiz fight came quicker than he thought and he took it anyway, I don't know?

Ice-it was 12 pounds in a year. That's not impossible but like I said I wouldn't be surprised if he was using,

Roy Jones put on almost twenty pounds in about 5 months before Ruiz and he still didn't look like he had an ounce of fat. Just saying.

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I thought it was more than that Ouma but either way he looked like, he bulked up way more than 12 pounds he looked like a greek god in there 2nd fight. But i could be wrong im not accusing him just bringing up a point. As for RJJ he was one of my favorites but i believe he did take, steroids to bulk up to Heavyweight.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Holyfield had a tremendous physique when he was down at Cruiser so I don't think it made much difference to that. Plus if you look at James Toneys figure who has been proven to be on steroids twice it doesn't always work like that. Also there have been a few boxers with a good body. There is David Haye nowadays there was Frank Bruno in his day, Kenny Norton had quite a similar Body to Holyfield so I wouldn't say it neccesarily points towards steroid use.

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The thing about steroids is you actually have to work out for them to produce results, so Toney is a poor example in Holyfield's favor. Remember Holyfield's heart problem that led to his suspension from boxing and his 'miraculous' healing? Steroids can cause heart problems and it could have been a matter of Holyfield not cycling properly. Also his recuperative abilities after he'd been badly hurt. Nobody is going to say Holyfield had an iron chin, but his ability to bounce back was bordering on supernatural. And look at his body since Balco broke. Looks starkly different, right? Sure, it COULD be because he's just getting older, but it could also be because his supply has been cut off.

Combine all that with the feds calling Evan Field's number and Holyfield himself picking up the phone. Now his excuse was he was getting his father's Rx's from there. He skipped every Rite-Aid, CVS, Walgreens and any other pharmacy for one that was 2 states away? How much sense does that make and why do you need an alias to pick up someone else's prescriptions? I just show up and give my wife's name when I pick up something for her.

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Originally Posted by CGM

I put yes, though I would have prefered an answer that said, "it kinda looks that way, based on the evidence".

Getting back to Toney. Was there ever a pattern of usage determined? I seemed to recall he used it short term to recover from injury, rather than long term for bulk. Can anybody shed light on that?

Personally, when you talk about using steroids to recover from injury, I'm not so sure it's a bad thing. Though it is against the rules. What do others think about that?

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Its not like the steroids done James Toney any good anyway, he was still a fat slob in the John Ruiz fight.

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True enough, but he did carry the weight well.

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Originally Posted by CGM

I put yes, though I would have prefered an answer that said, "it kinda looks that way, based on the evidence".

Getting back to Toney. Was there ever a pattern of usage determined? I seemed to recall he used it short term to recover from injury, rather than long term for bulk. Can anybody shed light on that?

Personally, when you talk about using steroids to recover from injury, I'm not so sure it's a bad thing. Though it is against the rules. What do others think about that?

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Everyone who ever gets caught using steriods always says they were using it to recover from an injury.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Holyfield had a tremendous physique when he was down at Cruiser so I don't think it made much difference to that. Plus if you look at James Toneys figure who has been proven to be on steroids twice it doesn't always work like that. Also there have been a few boxers with a good body. There is David Haye nowadays there was Frank Bruno in his day, Kenny Norton had quite a similar Body to Holyfield so I wouldn't say it neccesarily points towards steroid use.

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The thing about steroids is you actually have to work out for them to produce results, so Toney is a poor example in Holyfield's favor. Remember Holyfield's heart problem that led to his suspension from boxing and his 'miraculous' healing? Steroids can cause heart problems and it could have been a matter of Holyfield not cycling properly. Also his recuperative abilities after he'd been badly hurt. Nobody is going to say Holyfield had an iron chin, but his ability to bounce back was bordering on supernatural. And look at his body since Balco broke. Looks starkly different, right? Sure, it COULD be because he's just getting older, but it could also be because his supply has been cut off.

Combine all that with the feds calling Evan Field's number and Holyfield himself picking up the phone. Now his excuse was he was getting his father's Rx's from there. He skipped every Rite-Aid, CVS, Walgreens and any other pharmacy for one that was 2 states away? How much sense does that make and why do you need an alias to pick up someone else's prescriptions? I just show up and give my wife's name when I pick up something for her.

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Great point about the heart controversy never thought of it that way, that actually does make perfect sense when you think about it.

I just don't know. From what I've read and seen from old footage Evander used to walk around at 200 lbs and would lose around 10 lbs to make the cruiserweight division. In his first fight heavyweight against Tillis I believe in like 4 months he weighed 206 for that fight. I mean it isn't too much bulking up there. When he lost to Riddick and retired for a year he went from 208 to 217 and said he was working with Lee Haney six time Mr Olympian who has been found guilty of steroids. Whatever the case may be he has been getting away with it when alot of other's have been getting caught. So right now I would say no .

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I just don't know. From what I've read and seen from old footage Evander used to walk around at 200 lbs and would lose around 10 lbs to make the cruiserweight division. In his first fight heavyweight against Tillis I believe in like 4 months he weighed 206 for that fight. I mean it isn't too much bulking up there. When he lost to Riddick and retired for a year he went from 208 to 217 and said he was working with Lee Haney six time Mr Olympian who has been found guilty of steroids. Whatever the case may be he has been getting away with it when alot of other's have been getting caught. So right now I would say no .

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As I look at box rec he was 202 when he fought Tillis. Also he fought Alex Stuart less than a year later after the first fight with Riddick he weighed in at 212.

Yes. I think he went that path, shortly before facing Tyson. IMO, he did so to ensure a cability to compete against Mike Tyson, who was so menacing anad invincible around that time.

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

I just don't know. From what I've read and seen from old footage Evander used to walk around at 200 lbs and would lose around 10 lbs to make the cruiserweight division. In his first fight heavyweight against Tillis I believe in like 4 months he weighed 206 for that fight. I mean it isn't too much bulking up there.

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200lbs would have been his non training weight, when he moved up to heavy he was solid, it has to be steroids, to do that naturally would take a couple of years if its possible, ask any bodybuilder or aspiring bodybuilder and they will tell you how hard they find it to put on muscle, yet Holyfield, Jones,Toney and Mosely all go up in weight and have vastly more muscled bodys.

Although Toney was carrying fat, look at his traps, theyre huge, same as Holyfield.

Im now wondering about Hayes physique, hes put some lean mass on, although he was heavier for Bonin than Barrett, is it possible to gain then lose then gain again:-\:p

He doesnt look that cut though so could well be just fluids?

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

Yes. I think he went that path, shortly before facing Tyson. IMO, he did so to ensure a cability to compete against Mike Tyson, who was so menacing anad invincible around that time.

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Are you serious with this ???

Evander is innocent until proven guilty. Micheal Moorer shot up two divisions and nobody says anything because it can be done.

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I just don't know. From what I've read and seen from old footage Evander used to walk around at 200 lbs and would lose around 10 lbs to make the cruiserweight division. In his first fight heavyweight against Tillis I believe in like 4 months he weighed 206 for that fight. I mean it isn't too much bulking up there.

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200lbs would have been his non training weight, when he moved up to heavy he was solid, it has to be steroids, to do that naturally would take a couple of years if its possible, ask any bodybuilder or aspiring bodybuilder and they will tell you how hard they find it to put on muscle, yet Holyfield, Jones,Toney and Mosely all go up in weight and have vastly more muscled bodys.

Although Toney was carrying fat, look at his traps, theyre huge, same as Holyfield.

Im now wondering about Hayes physique, hes put some lean mass on, although he was heavier for Bonin than Barrett, is it possible to gain then lose then gain again:-\:p

He doesnt look that cut though so could well be just fluids?

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It isn't hard for some people to put on muscle, people with good genes can easily pack on muscle. I was pretty slim when i was 16, but i've put on a good 20+ pounds of muscle when i started working out seriously. At about 17 and a half or somewhere round there im now 19.

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I just don't know. From what I've read and seen from old footage Evander used to walk around at 200 lbs and would lose around 10 lbs to make the cruiserweight division. In his first fight heavyweight against Tillis I believe in like 4 months he weighed 206 for that fight. I mean it isn't too much bulking up there.

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200lbs would have been his non training weight, when he moved up to heavy he was solid, it has to be steroids, to do that naturally would take a couple of years if its possible, ask any bodybuilder or aspiring bodybuilder and they will tell you how hard they find it to put on muscle, yet Holyfield, Jones,Toney and Mosely all go up in weight and have vastly more muscled bodys.

Although Toney was carrying fat, look at his traps, theyre huge, same as Holyfield.

Im now wondering about Hayes physique, hes put some lean mass on, although he was heavier for Bonin than Barrett, is it possible to gain then lose then gain again:-\:p

He doesnt look that cut though so could well be just fluids?

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It isn't hard for some people to put on muscle, people with good genes can easily pack on muscle. I was pretty slim when i was 16, but i've put on a good 20+ pounds of muscle when i started working out seriously. At about 17 and a half or somewhere round there im now 19.

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That's part of your body maturing. College age, till pros kids get bigger and stronger and your body fills out. Not the same when you are a longtime pro athlete and training consistently. It's highly unlikely to put on 10 of muscle in a year without steroids. When you combine that with working with a bodybuilder who has access and knowledge of what, when, and how to take them....... it's hard to say no. I admire Holyfields fighting spirit, steroids can't impact that but most likely ALL top level athletes have some experience with steroids.

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

Yes. I think he went that path, shortly before facing Tyson. IMO, he did so to ensure a cability to compete against Mike Tyson, who was so menacing anad invincible around that time.

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Are you serious with this ???

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Yes he took steroids and yes most heavyweights and lots of other weight boxers do too. If they did regular random testing then plenty of big names would have been caught over the years.

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Originally Posted by blegit

Well besides his tricky alias, Evan Fields, when the files were confiscated with that name on it it also had his address. So there is some very bad evidence against Holyfield. Whats gets me is that when a baseball player is accused they point out his build and how he beefed up. I don't agree with this because working out and using supplements will put on nice gains. But if you did the same with Holyfield he would easily be convicted by public opinion. You would be hard pressed to find a boxer with a muscular and defining build like Holyfield. There may not be even one. And as far as steroids. I know a lot of amateur athletes on the juice and I would only imagine that it gets heavy when salaries are at stake. I believe a lot of sports have a performance enhancing drug problem. Whether it be known or not.

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Good post

He's definitely a drug cheat! and it destroys his legacy for me, how would he have performed in thos heavyweight fights minus the steroids? I know that steroids don't give you skill. And Holyfield was very skilled but I doubt he would have been strong enough to compete.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I don't quite understand what Toney was doing. Flat out, if you get caught for it on a drug test for a championship fight you are the worst steroid user ever. I heard somewhere that the Ruiz fight came quicker than he thought and he took it anyway, I don't know?

Ice-it was 12 pounds in a year. That's not impossible but like I said I wouldn't be surprised if he was using,

Roy Jones put on almost twenty pounds in about 5 months before Ruiz and he still didn't look like he had an ounce of fat. Just saying.

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Roy Jones for the first time in his career also was using weight training to bulk up. I think Roy weighed in at 194lbs which is 19lbs above the lightheavyweight limit. So he was probably fighting somewhere near to his natural weight and added the weight training excercise to fill out which wouldn't take long at all. Just look at David Haye.

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

Yes. I think he went that path, shortly before facing Tyson. IMO, he did so to ensure a cability to compete against Mike Tyson, who was so menacing anad invincible around that time.

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Are you for real? He would have always massacred Tyson!

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I just don't know. From what I've read and seen from old footage Evander used to walk around at 200 lbs and would lose around 10 lbs to make the cruiserweight division. In his first fight heavyweight against Tillis I believe in like 4 months he weighed 206 for that fight. I mean it isn't too much bulking up there.

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200lbs would have been his non training weight, when he moved up to heavy he was solid, it has to be steroids, to do that naturally would take a couple of years if its possible, ask any bodybuilder or aspiring bodybuilder and they will tell you how hard they find it to put on muscle, yet Holyfield, Jones,Toney and Mosely all go up in weight and have vastly more muscled bodys.

Although Toney was carrying fat, look at his traps, theyre huge, same as Holyfield.

Im now wondering about Hayes physique, hes put some lean mass on, although he was heavier for Bonin than Barrett, is it possible to gain then lose then gain again:-\:p

He doesnt look that cut though so could well be just fluids?

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It isn't hard for some people to put on muscle, people with good genes can easily pack on muscle. I was pretty slim when i was 16, but i've put on a good 20+ pounds of muscle when i started working out seriously. At about 17 and a half or somewhere round there im now 19.

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When I was 19 I weighed 180lbs and now I'm 24 225lbs and I can assure you I've never touched any steroids. weight training made me put on almost 25 pounds in the first year alone. Muscle is a lot easier to put on than cut believe me.

A friend of mine while in the army went to Kenya for 3 months with the army.

In his spare time out there all he did was pump iron.Eat the right food and no alchol.100% dedicated.

He was a different person when he got back and was much bigger and cut up coz of the weights all drug free.


It can be done in you are dedicated enough.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

When I was 19 I weighed 180lbs and now I'm 24 225lbs and I can assure you I've never touched any steroids. weight training made me put on almost 25 pounds in the first year alone. Muscle is a lot easier to put on than cut believe me.

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Ok, prove you put on lean muscle by posting a picture from when you were 19 and one from now;D

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Roy Jones for the first time in his career also was using weight training to bulk up. I think Roy weighed in at 194lbs which is 19lbs above the lightheavyweight limit. So he was probably fighting somewhere near to his natural weight and added the weight training excercise to fill out which wouldn't take long at all. Just look at David Haye.

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Roys natural weight isnt much above light heavy, hes got a small frame, he bulked up QUICK and had no fat, dont be daft:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Roy Jones for the first time in his career also was using weight training to bulk up. I think Roy weighed in at 194lbs which is 19lbs above the lightheavyweight limit. So he was probably fighting somewhere near to his natural weight and added the weight training excercise to fill out which wouldn't take long at all. Just look at David Haye.

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Roys natural weight isnt much above light heavy, hes got a small frame, he bulked up QUICK and had no fat, dont be daft:rolleyes:

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Roy walks around at about 195 actually.

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Originally Posted by Master

Evander is innocent until proven guilty. Micheal Moorer shot up two divisions and nobody says anything because it can be done.

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Very True.

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

Yes. I think he went that path, shortly before facing Tyson. IMO, he did so to ensure a cability to compete against Mike Tyson, who was so menacing anad invincible around that time.

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Are you serious with this ???

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As much as I love Mike Tyson, invincible is hardly the word I would have used to describe him at the time. Lazy is more like it.