Could 40 midgets defeat a lion?

You may remember my fascinating and important thread from a couple years ago asking how many 5 year old kids you could kill before being overwhelmed.

Well I found another interesting conundrum online,

BBC NEWS | World | Lion Mutilates 42 Midgets in Cambodian Ring-Fight

The story is fake but its origins are interesting. Two men were having a debate about whether a group of unarmed midgets could take down a lion. To prove his point one of them created a fake article and spread it around the net to fool his friend.


Anyway it's an important question with philosophical relavence so let's have your views.

For those interested here are the views as laid down by the original author


: Join the 'debate': Here are the terms of the fight:

• Fight takes place between 1 full-grown, male African lion and 40 midgets
• The midgets are unarmed (no guns, baseball bats, tasers, etc.)
• The fight takes place in a closed arena (a racquetball court for example)
• Fight is over when either a) the lion is dead, or b) all 40 midgets are dead or unable to fight back (severely wounded)
• Lion is highly agitated, midgets know there's no way out until the lion is dead (they have to fight)
• The midgets are not specially trained to fight (not like the Cambodian fighting ones in the article) but are in average physical and mental health
• The midgets are given 5 minutes before the fight to prepare/strategize

Ok I'm going to go with the lion on this. I can't see how 40 midgets completely unarmed could overcome an adult lion. They would all get torn to shreds as easy as 40 5 year olds against an adult man.

IF the midgets were totally fearless and oblivious to their own lives and could sacrifce themselves happily in an effort to overwhelm the lion then maybe they could throw themselves on it and beat it to death, but in a real world setting I just think they would scared shitless and get butchered real fast.

Yeah, it's really hard to say that there is much they could do unarmed... I think even at the most they could all try jumping on the Lion at once to try to subdue it, but I think even that the Lion would still be able to move and shake some of them off..

Another part is that the Lion would obviously have a hard time and would take a while to attack and put all 40 of them out of action, but what can the midgets really do to the Lion? Maybe while it's attacking 2 or 3 of them, another couple could try breaking one of it's legs or holding onto it's tail for dear life to annoy and distract while others try to do something..

I'll tell you this, even with 39 friends of mine, I still would not want to be 1 of the 40 midgets when the Lion is released upon us.. Maybe you could try ripping one of it's eyes out or something or even both if your lucky, but they could probably still kill out of instinct and smell etc..

It's something you'd just have to see to really get an idea of how it would go, but I probably doubt I would want to see it..

Midgets easy...they are fighting for their life. Mindset is a massive equaliser. They have to fight or they will die simple as.

If you put someone with chuck liddells ability in with someone who's wife he wants to rape and who's child he wants to kill but has had no formal training. Don't count out the little fella, the mindset is there that he's fighting for his wifes life and that of his childs, the other guy is fighting just because he wants to rape someone.

Not sure i'm making myself clear.

If you had marine trained midgets the lion is in for a bad day :)

Ever seen the clips of the giant hornet taking honeybees apart but when they work as a team the hornet gets fucked in a big way.

The lion easily, it would be a massacre. Simply the torque those little arms and legs can create is close to nothing which the lion can come up with. Their only chance to beat it is to crush it to death, even then they probably don't weigh enough. Sorry to say but the midgets would be taken out very quickly.

Have they time to plan? if so they could win., some would die until one mighty midget got around the back climbed up and wrapped the mane around his hands and ate through the side of his neck into his aorta or jugular vien. Anyone caught face on takes his eyes out as first priority etc.One midget one leg each asap. eyes out,kick or head but lions balls from the back;D.

I have this picture;D.




Lion wins if the midgets are just thrown in with one.

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Originally Posted by Andre

Have they time to plan? if so they could win., some would die until one mighty midget got around the back climbed up and wrapped the mane around his hands and ate through the side of his neck into his aorta or jugular vien. Anyone caught face on takes his eyes out as first priority etc.One midget one leg each asap. eyes out,kick or head but lions balls from the back;D.

I have this picture;D.




Lion wins if the midgets are just thrown in with one.

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Read the rules above Andre, the midgets are given 5 minutes pre fight to strategise.

I'm actually leaning in favour of the midgets now to be honest. I mean we are assuming the lion would race through them killing them as quickly and efficiently as possible but that might not be the case. All fights between lions and adult humans of normal size on youtube involve the lion fighting over his prey with other humans.

I think he would kill one midget easily but then be trying to eat him whilst the others crowd around him. If whilst he's trying to rip of the limbs of one little fella the others are jumping on his back and bringing him down the lion would likely get scared and be mentally beaten.

Interesting subject. One of those where you really have to stop and think, because you know your life cannot really be complete before a thorough answer to this philosophical dilemma is contemplated.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

IF the midgets were totally fearless and oblivious to their own lives and could sacrifce themselves happily in an effort to overwhelm the lion then maybe they could throw themselves on it and beat it to death, but in a real world setting I just think they would scared shitless and get butchered real fast.

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It's a bit weird to use the concept 'real world setting' to a hypothetical situation revolving around 40 midgets in a ring. Anyway, I think you are wrong. I think 20 midgets would be able to defeat the lion, if working properly together, and while _that_ is unlikely to happen right away, wouldnt it start to happen when the little fellows see what became of their friends?

I mean, at the point where the 20 guys next to me were all smashed to pieces, I'd probably not fancy my chances staying still and doing nothing either.

Last year an Australian girl was nearly killed necause her hair was mistaken for a lion's mane when she visited the lions while on holiday in Africa. The lion grabbed her from behind and just wanted to play with her - not even trying to attack her, was not angry or aggitated or exerting itself but in a split second did SERIOUS damage.

I'd vote against the midgets and probably even 40 adult humans surviving without any weapons or tools but if they have a rope or some basic tools even if they are not traditional weapons i think they might make it through. Definately not all of them but a few.

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Originally Posted by Sharla

Last year an Australian girl was nearly killed necause her hair was mistaken for a lion's mane when she visited the lions while on holiday in Africa. The lion grabbed her from behind and just wanted to play with her - not even trying to attack her, was not angry or aggitated or exerting itself but in a split second did SERIOUS damage.

I'd vote against the midgets and probably even 40 adult humans surviving without any weapons or tools but if they have a rope or some basic tools even if they are not traditional weapons i think they might make it through. Definately not all of them but a few.

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Thats crazy. 40 adult humans would result in a serious Lion massacre. Fighting for their lives?

It would be over within 3 minutes.

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Last year an Australian girl was nearly killed necause her hair was mistaken for a lion's mane when she visited the lions while on holiday in Africa. The lion grabbed her from behind and just wanted to play with her - not even trying to attack her, was not angry or aggitated or exerting itself but in a split second did SERIOUS damage.

I'd vote against the midgets and probably even 40 adult humans surviving without any weapons or tools but if they have a rope or some basic tools even if they are not traditional weapons i think they might make it through. Definately not all of them but a few.

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Thats crazy. 40 adult humans would result in a serious Lion massacre. Fighting for their lives?

It would be over within 3 minutes.

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But that lion is also fighting for his life, he's also has the handy accessory of built in weapons (claws and teeth) which we do not possess. The lion would have a very decent chance of killing 40 fully grown unarmed adults, they are rather big animals after all.

Depends on the midgets and the lion. There are too many key facts missing to make an informed judgment.

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Originally Posted by Von Milash

Depends on the midgets and the lion. There are too many key facts missing to make an informed judgment.

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Good point, I think 40 Verne Troyer's would get massacred in seconds but 40 Wee Man's would probably torture that beast and then get Steve-0 to stick his cock and nutsack in its jaws for a laugh

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Originally Posted by Andre

Have they time to plan? if so they could win., some would die until one mighty midget got around the back climbed up and wrapped the mane around his hands and ate through the side of his neck into his aorta or jugular vien. Anyone caught face on takes his eyes out as first priority etc.One midget one leg each asap. eyes out,kick or head but lions balls from the back;D.

I have this picture;D.




Lion wins if the midgets are just thrown in with one.

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A couple midgets could easily sink their teeth into the lions testicles and chew them off. That would have a disabling effect.

I agree with Munky. If the midgets are of the mindset it's kill or be killed they are odds on to win bigtime.

The lion wont be able to kill enough before being overwhelmed and grounded.

The lion will definitely tap when his goolies get it. Fact.

If the midgets actually killed 8 of each other first and then used the teeth and jawbones of the 8 dead midgets to dismember the rest of their bodies like so:

- behead all the dead midgets
- chop off all the arms and legs of the dead midgets.

They could then build a smallish wall, composed of the torsos of the dead midgets, behind which some of them could shelter from the lion (if they built it in the corner of the room, that would be better.

The heads should be kept inside or near the 'torso shelter', as they could be thrown at the lion whenever it came near them.

8 dead midgets makes 32 arms and legs, which is precisely enough to give each remaining midget a weapon.

Sheltering behind the torso castle which has been built, with a couple of midgets on guard with a pile of heads ready to throw, the remaining midgets would send out small battle groups one after the other in a strict rota(maybe about 6 at a time) all armed with a makeshift club made out of midget extremities.

Working to a shift patterm - with people taking it in terms to rest for 5 hours or so - the lion would be under a constant assault, soon exhausting it because lions are not built for stamina. Sure there would be casualties, and there is contingency for midget deaths built into my calculations - but the point is not to kill the lion, only to torment it and exhaust it.

Once it is completely knackered, it would be clubbed to death by a pack of howling, blood-soaked midgets using the severed limbs of their colleagues as weapons.

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The fortress idea sounds good but how do even 32 midgets kill eight and do all this dismembering and fortress building in 5 minutes without tools? We use tools for everything even in primitive cultures. Without them we are hopeless against an adapted powerful predator like a lion.

They would all have to be trained in some fairly intense tactics just to do the killing let alone the building and unless they all chose the same eight some would distrust the others for the remainder of the challenge as they would have had to defend themselves against them initially. This would make it harder to concentrate on the lion, more prone to psychological break down and a much higher probability of failure.

I still think minus any tools no hope. If they could fashion a rope to strangle or restrain the lion with from their clothing perhaps. If they could build a fire perhaps.

Knowing while 'playing' in a way which would not harm another lion at all they can do damage to a human which is fatal without emergency medical attention. That has been made clear by real life examples.

There would be no punching it that would just be like patting your kitty cat but making him angrier at the same time. To wrestle it you'd need to be able to jump on simultaneously while avoiding claws or teeth. To do that you'd need to be able to apply a weight which is far greater than the number of people which would surround it in close enough proximity to jump on.

Also you'd need to do it without hesitation. I doubt it's really possible with an agitated, angry lion who is jumping and pouncing on midgets or people and taking each out out at least to the point of serious maiming within about 3 secs a piece. He's not giving you any chance to get into position in significant enough numbers.

I actually think in reality that after the first four or five fatalities there would be a standoff. The lion would guard his kills and seek to intimidate the midgets from coming closer but would likely not run around killing them all.

Animals don't have those kind of aggressive fight to the death instincts. He'd likely just want to be left alone.

I keep changing my mind, its a suprisingly complex question

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If the midgets actually killed 8 of each other first and then used the teeth and jawbones of the 8 dead midgets to dismember the rest of their bodies like so:

- behead all the dead midgets
- chop off all the arms and legs of the dead midgets.

They could then build a smallish wall, composed of the torsos of the dead midgets, behind which some of them could shelter from the lion (if they built it in the corner of the room, that would be better.

The heads should be kept inside or near the 'torso shelter', as they could be thrown at the lion whenever it came near them.

8 dead midgets makes 32 arms and legs, which is precisely enough to give each remaining midget a weapon.

Sheltering behind the torso castle which has been built, with a couple of midgets on guard with a pile of heads ready to throw, the remaining midgets would send out small battle groups one after the other in a strict rota(maybe about 6 at a time) all armed with a makeshift club made out of midget extremities.

Working to a shift patterm - with people taking it in terms to rest for 5 hours or so - the lion would be under a constant assault, soon exhausting it because lions are not built for stamina. Sure there would be casualties, and there is contingency for midget deaths built into my calculations - but the point is not to kill the lion, only to torment it and exhaust it.

Once it is completely knackered, it would be clubbed to death by a pack of howling, blood-soaked midgets using the severed limbs of their colleagues as weapons.

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So most of your Ancestors died at the Collaseum as well eh .

Watching the history channel the other day they recon the bastard Romans killed 5000 lions just in the first opening week as a grand parade type thing :o.

They sent in prisoners, women, and kids to face the lions eventually, my bet is midgets would have been on their list too as a comedy relife the evil fuk wits.

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Originally Posted by Sharla

I still think minus any tools no hope. If they could fashion a rope to strangle or restrain the lion with .

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How about killing just 2 midgets and making a rope out of their intestines ???? Admittedly, you may not get as much intestine out of one of them as you would out of Valuev, but 2 should suffice. :)

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And this was after the lion was shot, no chance of midgets winning, even with a midget torso castle.

On the very first podcast of The Ricky Gervais Show they talked about this article. Funny stuff.

I would take 100 midgets over a lion cub.

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I still think minus any tools no hope. If they could fashion a rope to strangle or restrain the lion with .

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How about killing just 2 midgets and making a rope out of their intestines ???? Admittedly, you may not get as much intestine out of one of them as you would out of Valuev, but 2 should suffice. :)

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What do they use to get the intestines out fast enough to make a rope with them within 5 minutes? Is that possible without a knife?

Unless they are being sent in barefoot they could take off their shoes and use them for boxing gloves.

I would suggest trying to gouge out the eyes. Once you've blinded it, than you can kill it.

I think another good idead would be to "circle the wagons" and not stand in a clump. They could try to climb the chainlink fence (if it exists) and attack from on high. Divebombers.

Midgets would win, I have seen lions taken down by a pack of wild dogs and the midgets can do the same with some co-ordination and planning. 5 minutes is enough to get the gimps to sacrificing themselves and the others to take out the eyes and legs of the lion and pile on. Easy victory, the more committed the midgets are the less fatalities they will have.

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I still think minus any tools no hope. If they could fashion a rope to strangle or restrain the lion with .

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How about killing just 2 midgets and making a rope out of their intestines ???? Admittedly, you may not get as much intestine out of one of them as you would out of Valuev, but 2 should suffice. :)

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What do they use to get the intestines out fast enough to make a rope with them within 5 minutes? Is that possible without a knife?

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Good point .... how about if they just sent two midgets out to kill the lion on their own? They would most certainly be killed and lions do disembowel their prey ..... perhaps they could get at the intestines after that?

Actually, I would just kill kill a couple of midgets anyway, regardless of whether they could be harvested.

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I still think minus any tools no hope. If they could fashion a rope to strangle or restrain the lion with .

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How about killing just 2 midgets and making a rope out of their intestines ???? Admittedly, you may not get as much intestine out of one of them as you would out of Valuev, but 2 should suffice. :)

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What do they use to get the intestines out fast enough to make a rope with them within 5 minutes? Is that possible without a knife?

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You just havent seen a pod of angry midgets in action have you?
Evil little fuks, wrap their laegs around one of yours ,grab hold of any fold with dumpy hands and rip into you with their teeth.,they have your guts for garters ;).