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Hopkins says he will retire if he can't get rematch with Calzaghe
According to this article, Hopkins has said the only fight he wants this year is against Calzaghe.
Do you guys think there is a chance of this coming off?
Would you be interested in seeing it?
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Re: Hopkins says he will retire if he can't get rematch with Calzaghe
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JazMerkin
Just last night on FNF he didn't say that at all. He said he doesn't want to fight young guys like Dawson so he doesn't get in the way of the flow of the upcoming talent. He did say he'd prefer a rematch with Calzaghe, but he did mention other options as well such as Taylor.
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JazMerkin
Just last night on FNF he didn't say that at all. He said he doesn't want to fight young guys like Dawson so he doesn't get in the way of the flow of the upcoming talent. He did say he'd prefer a rematch with Calzaghe, but he did mention other options as well such as Taylor.
Yeah, that's what I thought as well, but this appears to have different quotes from him than what I remember him saying, so I thought that maybe he had clarified this later on
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JazMerkin
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killersheep
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JazMerkin
Just last night on FNF he didn't say that at all. He said he doesn't want to fight young guys like Dawson so he doesn't get in the way of the flow of the upcoming talent. He did say he'd prefer a rematch with Calzaghe, but he did mention other options as well such as Taylor.
Yeah, that's what I thought as well, but this appears to have different quotes from him than what I remember him saying, so I thought that maybe he had clarified this later on
IMHO Calzaghe doesnt want to rematch Hopkins because he knows he was very lucky to get a SD win in their first fight. He's scared his 0 will go along with his legacy. BUT. What Calzaghe doesnt realise is his legacy is stained until he does LEGITIMATELY beat Bernard Hopkins
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JazMerkin
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killersheep
Just last night on FNF he didn't say that at all. He said he doesn't want to fight young guys like Dawson so he doesn't get in the way of the flow of the upcoming talent. He did say he'd prefer a rematch with Calzaghe, but he did mention other options as well such as Taylor.
Yeah, that's what I thought as well, but this appears to have different quotes from him than what I remember him saying, so I thought that maybe he had clarified this later on
IMHO Calzaghe doesnt want to rematch Hopkins because he knows he was very lucky to get a SD win in their first fight. He's scared his 0 will go along with his legacy. BUT. What Calzaghe doesnt realise is his legacy is stained until he does LEGITIMATELY beat Bernard Hopkins
I dont think Joe wants to give Hopkins a return because he wasnt gracious in defeat the 1st and and theres everything to lose and nothing to gain in fighting him again . If he lost Im sure Joe would be chasing a return but because he won then the best way to treat someone he doesnt like would be to not give him the opportunity to fgain revenge in a return
Joe wont fight Hopkins again and Hopkins wont retire. Nard should fight Dawson instead and teh winner will a stronger case on calling Joe out . I think we may see Joe just 1 more time in Cardiff because if he was going to retire we'd know by now.
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Re: Hopkins says he will retire if he can't get rematch with Calzaghe
Interesting remark about not wanting to fight young guys when hes just fought Pavlik, I think Hopkins may be scared of Dawson;)
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Nah, I wouldn't be interested. Hopkins (to me) has always been a bit of a cuffler who held on and spoiled and stuff .... yes, a very cagey old pro, but not exciting. I will give him props to beating Pavlik so well, but I am not sure that pavlik turned up to fight that night.
Calzaghe already beat Hopkins, in a fight distinguished by the usual tasteless pre-fight commentary by Hopkins, and then be several blatant efforts to fake injuries and happenings to get his opponent disqualified.
Not interested - just go away 'Nard.
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C.J.Rock
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JazMerkin
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killersheep
Just last night on FNF he didn't say that at all. He said he doesn't want to fight young guys like Dawson so he doesn't get in the way of the flow of the upcoming talent. He did say he'd prefer a rematch with Calzaghe, but he did mention other options as well such as Taylor.
Yeah, that's what I thought as well, but this appears to have different quotes from him than what I remember him saying, so I thought that maybe he had clarified this later on
IMHO Calzaghe doesnt want to rematch Hopkins because he knows he was very lucky to get a SD win in their first fight. He's scared his 0 will go along with his legacy. BUT. What Calzaghe doesnt realise is his legacy is stained until he does LEGITIMATELY beat Bernard Hopkins
- Most fans and experts thought Calzaghe won including 2 of the 3 judges.
- There first fight was NOT a good fight to watch unless you were a big Calzaghe or Hopkins fan.Nobody wants to see it again apart from B Hop.
- Calzaghe is a hero to the people of Britain and a legend in Wales and can sell 50,000 ticets.Hopkins would be lucky to sell 2 or 3,000 tickets unless he is against a big name(Calzaghe,Pavlik,ODLH).
- The way Hopkins beat Pavlik makes Calzaghe's win look even better
- In most peoples mind Calzaghe did beat Hopkins LEGITIMATELY and BH was lucky that he had a ref whot helped him throught the fight.
In short,Calzaghe does not give two fucks what Hopkins thinks or cares coz Calzaghe won the fight.FACT(look it up in the record books);)
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C.J.Rock
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JazMerkin
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killersheep
Just last night on FNF he didn't say that at all. He said he doesn't want to fight young guys like Dawson so he doesn't get in the way of the flow of the upcoming talent. He did say he'd prefer a rematch with Calzaghe, but he did mention other options as well such as Taylor.
Yeah, that's what I thought as well, but this appears to have different quotes from him than what I remember him saying, so I thought that maybe he had clarified this later on
IMHO Calzaghe doesnt want to rematch Hopkins because he knows he was very lucky to get a SD win in their first fight. He's scared his 0 will go along with his legacy. BUT. What Calzaghe doesnt realise is his legacy is stained until he does LEGITIMATELY beat Bernard Hopkins
That's a ridiculous post. He doesn't wanna rematch him for many obvious reasons like:
1) hopkins cheated throughout with illegal punches
2) hopkins faked low blows when Joe had him ready to go from exhaustion
3) He gave Joe no credit or respect before or after the fight
I'm glad he's gonna have to live wit the fact that he said he wouldn't lose to a white boy and got beaten the way he did. The only reason it was even close is because it was Joes first fight here and 2 of the judges weren't giving him the rounds that were close just because hopkins is better known here. (Nothing new)
Love hearing bernard and his fans cry. If the fight was in Europe hopkins would be lucky to get 3 rounds from the judges.
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FANS.:o
I did not think Hopkins had any real fans.:rolleyes:
The people who support Hopkins normaly just hate his opponet so they support Hopkins by default.;D
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If Calzaghe does fight again it'll be Hopkins in Cardiff and a British referee who won't give Hopkins extra minutes of rest when he's feeling tired. I'd prefer it if Calzaghe retired rather than have to go through the predictable buildup and eventual crap spectacle of a rematch.
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Bullshit, if he won't retire after promising to his mother on her death bed that he would then he's not going to retire if he can't make a fight with Calzaghe come off... there are still plenty of opportunities out there to get a pay day and some worth while scalps and Hopkins won't just walk away.
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C.J.Rock
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JazMerkin
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killersheep
Just last night on FNF he didn't say that at all. He said he doesn't want to fight young guys like Dawson so he doesn't get in the way of the flow of the upcoming talent. He did say he'd prefer a rematch with Calzaghe, but he did mention other options as well such as Taylor.
Yeah, that's what I thought as well, but this appears to have different quotes from him than what I remember him saying, so I thought that maybe he had clarified this later on
IMHO Calzaghe doesnt want to rematch Hopkins because he knows he was very lucky to get a SD win in their first fight. He's scared his 0 will go along with his legacy. BUT. What Calzaghe doesnt realise is his legacy is stained until he does LEGITIMATELY beat Bernard Hopkins
I can agree to that.
I mean is Mayweather retired beating a bunch of big names not juzz LEGIMATELY but actually showing superiority over them.
What makes Calzaghe think him beating 1-2 big names marks his legacy and is able to retire? HA.;D
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C.J.Rock
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JazMerkin
Yeah, that's what I thought as well, but this appears to have different quotes from him than what I remember him saying, so I thought that maybe he had clarified this later on
IMHO Calzaghe doesnt want to rematch Hopkins because he knows he was very lucky to get a SD win in their first fight. He's scared his 0 will go along with his legacy. BUT. What Calzaghe doesnt realise is his legacy is stained until he does LEGITIMATELY beat Bernard Hopkins
I can agree to that.
I mean is Mayweather retired beating a bunch of big names not juzz LEGIMATELY but actually showing superiority over them.
What makes Calzaghe think him beating 1-2 big names marks his legacy and is able to retire? HA.;D
Big names are not always great fighters, Joe has fought a lot of top opposition lately..........and so has Bernard Hopkins BTW
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Ok true. you got me.;)
BUT, ok Jeff lacy ok good win,Hopkins by 1-2 rounds hmmm questionable, a washedout Roy Jones?
NOTE: Hopkins and Roy Jones both knocked him down.
Is Calzaghe's career all that great that its going to be marked as a legacy after he retires? should he be on the hall of fame?;D
Imo Calzaghe you keep fighting and solidify your career then retire.
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I think he's massaging his options and keeping all avenues open.A rematch with Calzaghe is the least interesting for Me...not because I see Calzaghe repeating with a certain victory but.......the fight itself was terrible.I can not cast blame on one guy entirely,Simply I think the styles match up was blah.In all honesty,off of a shut out of Pavlik and monstrous network/Promotional affiliations,Hopkins can and will have a huge say in who is next and will not be forced into a fight he does not want,much to the chagrin of his detractors.If I were Calzaghe,I'd aim for Dawson.He's beaten Bernard and riding some big momentum towards his own Retirement with wins over Kessler,Jones,Hopkins.What a way to go out beating an undefeated Top tier gut like Dawson who is hitting his own stride but still learning a bit.I have a sneaking suspicion that the much talked about rematch with Tarver will not come off....lets all say a short prayer and hope as much anyway :jesus:
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Hopkins sucked the first fight, nobody wants to see him whine and hold his nuts for a second fight.
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Re: Hopkins says he will retire if he can't get rematch with Calzaghe
To the person who said that JC won't give B-Hop a rematch because he wasn't gracious in defeat, I think that Joe is hardly in a position to talk about that, particularly after some of his comments recently, such as the stuff about boxing being finished.
Regards to a rematch, although I thought Hopkins won the first fight, I would much rather see Joe go up against Dawson to shore up his 'legacy'. Although I have soured on Calzaghe a bit over the last 9 months or so, I still think he is one hell of a boxer & has got a lot left so would love to see him go up against Dawson to really let us know just how good he is. At the moment the fact remains that his record just doesn't stand up to his contemporaries, even if some of them have lost fights, because there are a maximum of 6 fighters who you could argue as competitive contests & some believe he lost 2 of those (Reid & Hopkins).
To be honest as someone who is a fan of both Calzaghe & Hopkins (I know, one of the few :rolleyes:), I would like B-Hop to retire on the Pavlik victory & Calzaghe to have one last fight in Cardiff against Dawson because I think he's got it in him, and really were he to win it would be much harder for his critics to have a go at him
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Re: Hopkins says he will retire if he can't get rematch with Calzaghe
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JazMerkin
To the person who said that JC won't give B-Hop a rematch because he wasn't gracious in defeat, I think that Joe is hardly in a position to talk about that, particularly after some of his comments recently, such as the stuff about boxing being finished.
Regards to a rematch, although I thought Hopkins won the first fight, I would much rather see Joe go up against Dawson to shore up his 'legacy'. Although I have soured on Calzaghe a bit over the last 9 months or so, I still think he is one hell of a boxer & has got a lot left so would love to see him go up against Dawson to really let us know just how good he is. At the moment the fact remains that his record just doesn't stand up to his contemporaries, even if some of them have lost fights, because there are a maximum of 6 fighters who you could argue as competitive contests & some believe he lost 2 of those (Reid & Hopkins).
To be honest as someone who is a fan of both Calzaghe & Hopkins (I know, one of the few :rolleyes:), I would like B-Hop to retire on the Pavlik victory & Calzaghe to have one last fight in Cardiff against Dawson because I think he's got it in him, and really were he to win it would be much harder for his critics to have a go at him
Excellent post, I agree with almost everything you say (which is why it must be an excellent post :))
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JazMerkin
To the person who said that JC won't give B-Hop a rematch because he wasn't gracious in defeat, I think that Joe is hardly in a position to talk about that, particularly after some of his comments recently, such as the stuff about boxing being finished.
Regards to a rematch, although I thought Hopkins won the first fight, I would much rather see Joe go up against Dawson to shore up his 'legacy'. Although I have soured on Calzaghe a bit over the last 9 months or so, I still think he is one hell of a boxer & has got a lot left so would love to see him go up against Dawson to really let us know just how good he is. At the moment the fact remains that his record just doesn't stand up to his contemporaries, even if some of them have lost fights, because there are a maximum of 6 fighters who you could argue as competitive contests & some believe he lost 2 of those (Reid & Hopkins).
To be honest as someone who is a fan of both Calzaghe & Hopkins (I know, one of the few :rolleyes:), I would like B-Hop to retire on the Pavlik victory & Calzaghe to have one last fight in Cardiff against Dawson because I think he's got it in him, and really were he to win it would be much harder for his critics to have a go at him
Lacy was undefeated and so was Kessler, if he beat Dawson he would just slip into the list of hopefulls. Really, who would give Joe anymore credit than he already has?
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JazMerkin
To the person who said that JC won't give B-Hop a rematch because he wasn't gracious in defeat, I think that Joe is hardly in a position to talk about that, particularly after some of his comments recently, such as the stuff about boxing being finished.
Regards to a rematch, although I thought Hopkins won the first fight, I would much rather see Joe go up against Dawson to shore up his 'legacy'. Although I have soured on Calzaghe a bit over the last 9 months or so, I still think he is one hell of a boxer & has got a lot left so would love to see him go up against Dawson to really let us know just how good he is. At the moment the fact remains that his record just doesn't stand up to his contemporaries, even if some of them have lost fights, because there are a maximum of 6 fighters who you could argue as competitive contests & some believe he lost 2 of those (Reid & Hopkins).
To be honest as someone who is a fan of both Calzaghe & Hopkins (I know, one of the few :rolleyes:), I would like B-Hop to retire on the Pavlik victory & Calzaghe to have one last fight in Cardiff against Dawson because I think he's got it in him, and really were he to win it would be much harder for his critics to have a go at him
Lacy was undefeated and so was Kessler, if he beat Dawson he would just slip into the list of hopefulls. Really
The problem is that neither of those two fighters have proven anything following their defeats to Calzaghe, thus diminishing the victories. I think a few years from now the Kessler victory will look very impressive though.
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Kel
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JazMerkin
To the person who said that JC won't give B-Hop a rematch because he wasn't gracious in defeat, I think that Joe is hardly in a position to talk about that, particularly after some of his comments recently, such as the stuff about boxing being finished.
Regards to a rematch, although I thought Hopkins won the first fight, I would much rather see Joe go up against Dawson to shore up his 'legacy'. Although I have soured on Calzaghe a bit over the last 9 months or so, I still think he is one hell of a boxer & has got a lot left so would love to see him go up against Dawson to really let us know just how good he is. At the moment the fact remains that his record just doesn't stand up to his contemporaries, even if some of them have lost fights, because there are a maximum of 6 fighters who you could argue as competitive contests & some believe he lost 2 of those (Reid & Hopkins).
To be honest as someone who is a fan of both Calzaghe & Hopkins (I know, one of the few :rolleyes:), I would like B-Hop to retire on the Pavlik victory & Calzaghe to have one last fight in Cardiff against Dawson because I think he's got it in him, and really were he to win it would be much harder for his critics to have a go at him
Lacy was undefeated and so was Kessler, if he beat Dawson he would just slip into the list of hopefulls. Really
The problem is that neither of those two fighters have proven anything following their defeats to Calzaghe, thus diminishing the victories. I think a few years from now the Kessler victory will look very impressive though.
Oh no, I agree mate, but say Calzaghe beat Dawson, how long would it take for him to beat a top guy after that?
Joe would still be in question till Dawson did something special
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Even as a Hopkins fan I think its hypocritle to say he doesnt want to fight young talent, when he just did. He clearly just doesnt want Dawson, and I dont blame him. I hope he does retire but I know he wont. If he continues Id like to see him take on Valuev. It may sound completely crazy but he would likely beat him.
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Kel
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Lacy was undefeated and so was Kessler, if he beat Dawson he would just slip into the list of hopefulls. Really
The problem is that neither of those two fighters have proven anything following their defeats to Calzaghe, thus diminishing the victories. I think a few years from now the Kessler victory will look very impressive though.
Oh no, I agree mate, but say Calzaghe beat Dawson, how long would it take for him to beat a top guy after that?
Joe would still be in question till Dawson did something special
I agree that might happen & there is always going to be a new young guy for a top fighter. The problem is he still doesn't have ENOUGH quality names on his record, and I think you can only argue that one of those fighters was a top-tier, prime fighter & that's Kessler. Eubank, Hopkins & Jones Jr were all some way past their peak, whilst Lacy & Reid were just frankly not on the same level as Joe. Anyone who's knows a bit about boxing can tell just how good Dawson is. The fact is if he won that fight than I think it would kill off a lot of the doubts that remain about him. It would at least add another top name to gloss over fighting the likes of Tocker Pudwill, Jimenez & Mario Veit (TWICE!) :-X
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Even as a Hopkins fan I think its hypocritle to say he doesnt want to fight young talent, when he just did. He clearly just doesnt want Dawson, and I dont blame him. I hope he does retire but I know he wont. If he continues Id like to see him take on Valuev. It may sound completely crazy but he would likely beat him.
What he actually said on ESPN was that he didn't want to get in the way of the careers of any younger guys after the Pavlik win, although I think he does want to avoid Dawson, and like you I don't blame him. Would like to see him go out on top & I don't think he can top that moment staring out into press row at the end of the Pavlik fight
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Even as a Hopkins fan I think its hypocritle to say he doesnt want to fight young talent, when he just did. He clearly just doesnt want Dawson, and I dont blame him. I hope he does retire but I know he wont. If he continues Id like to see him take on Valuev. It may sound completely crazy but he would likely beat him.
What he actually said on ESPN was that he didn't want to get in the way of the careers of any younger guys after the Pavlik win, although I think he does want to avoid Dawson, and like you I don't blame him. Would like to see him go out on top & I don't think he can top that moment staring out into press row at the end of the Pavlik fight
I don't think he's necessarily intimidated by Dawson, though I'm certain he's well aware of the risk that would come with fighting him. I'm sure Hopkins thinks he would win (I'm sure he think he could topple both Klitschko's in one night), but I doubt Dawson brings a lot of money to the table, and I'd think that that, combined with the risk associate with a Dawson fight, probably makes it seem like it just isn't worth it. I'm sure if the money was there, like it was with Pavlik, he'd be clamoring for the fight.
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I don't think Hopkins should sweat the Calzaghe "loss". It really doesn't change a whole lot. Any more than the Taylor loss changed things. It would be nice to get a rematch but we all know Calzaghe's position. When it comes down to legacy and position on the all time lists, Hopkins will still get the upper hand.
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The problem is that neither of those two fighters have proven anything following their defeats to Calzaghe, thus diminishing the victories. I think a few years from now the Kessler victory will look very impressive though.
Oh no, I agree mate, but say Calzaghe beat Dawson, how long would it take for him to beat a top guy after that?
Joe would still be in question till Dawson did something special
I agree that might happen & there is always going to be a new young guy for a top fighter. The problem is he still doesn't have ENOUGH quality names on his record, and I think you can only argue that one of those fighters was a top-tier, prime fighter & that's Kessler. Eubank, Hopkins & Jones Jr were all some way past their peak, whilst Lacy & Reid were just frankly not on the same level as Joe. Anyone who's knows a bit about boxing can tell just how good Dawson is.
The fact is if he won that fight than I think it would kill off a lot of the doubts that remain about him. It would at least add another top name to gloss over fighting the likes of Tocker Pudwill, Jimenez & Mario Veit (TWICE!) :-X
That's exactly what many people said before he beat Lacy... and then before Kessler... and then before Hopkins... and then even before old Roy ;)
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Exactly, what other world champ can say theyve fought and totaly outclassed 2 undefeated young champs in the past few years?
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Oh no, I agree mate, but say Calzaghe beat Dawson, how long would it take for him to beat a top guy after that?
Joe would still be in question till Dawson did something special
I agree that might happen & there is always going to be a new young guy for a top fighter. The problem is he still doesn't have ENOUGH quality names on his record, and I think you can only argue that one of those fighters was a top-tier, prime fighter & that's Kessler. Eubank, Hopkins & Jones Jr were all some way past their peak, whilst Lacy & Reid were just frankly not on the same level as Joe. Anyone who's knows a bit about boxing can tell just how good Dawson is.
The fact is if he won that fight than I think it would kill off a lot of the doubts that remain about him. It would at least add another top name to gloss over fighting the likes of Tocker Pudwill, Jimenez & Mario Veit (TWICE!) :-X
That's exactly what many people said before he beat Lacy... and then before Kessler... and then before Hopkins... and then even before old Roy ;)
Who said that about and old RJJ ? alot of people were calling that fight a farce including myself. People were "hoping" RJJ would win. But many people knew RJJ was a shot fighter and that it was a pointless fight, considering RJJ hadn't had a good performance at Light Heavyweight since 2002.
Don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy, the same Jeff Lacy who went life and death with Omar Sheika, and a desperate struggle against Syd Vanderpool. All before the Joe Calzaghe fight, the only reason Jeff Lacy got hype was because he beat an old shot Robin Reid.
Who gave Joe Calzaghe a tough fight, so boxing fans thought if he beat Robin Reid easily he surely will beat Joe Calzaghe, i certainly did not though. Also because he was American and the American's hadn't had a good Super Middleweight in quite sometime, hence where all the hype come from.
I only give Joe Calzaghe credit for his wins against Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, in recent years. Because Mikkel Kessler was a good fighter, and it was a fight between the 2 best Super Middleweights in the world. And Mikkel Kessler had some good world championship experience aswell as good technical skills.
But you could even argue Mikkel Kessler was overhyped, because his best win was arguably against Anthony Mundine. Who was one of Sven Ottke's 1 punch KO victims who basically couldn't KO Mini-Me on Big Brother. I don't think that way but you could easily make that argument.
And Bernard Hopkins is a very good fighter at 43, so Joe Calzaghe does deserve credit. But you cannot be in your prime at 43, and i don't think Joe Calzaghe won the fight anyway. And had it been against the Bernard Hopkins of the late 90s, i think Bernard Hopkins would of won.
few last comments Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter, one of the best British fighters for years. But i just don't get that special feeling when i watch Joe Calzaghe, like i do when i watch Pernell Whitaker, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Ricardo Lopez, ETC.
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I agree that might happen & there is always going to be a new young guy for a top fighter. The problem is he still doesn't have ENOUGH quality names on his record, and I think you can only argue that one of those fighters was a top-tier, prime fighter & that's Kessler. Eubank, Hopkins & Jones Jr were all some way past their peak, whilst Lacy & Reid were just frankly not on the same level as Joe. Anyone who's knows a bit about boxing can tell just how good Dawson is. The fact is if he won that fight than I think it would kill off a lot of the doubts that remain about him. It would at least add another top name to gloss over fighting the likes of Tocker Pudwill, Jimenez & Mario Veit (TWICE!) :-X
That's exactly what many people said before he beat Lacy... and then before Kessler... and then before Hopkins... and then even before old Roy ;)
Who said that about and old RJJ ? alot of people were calling that fight a farce including myself. People were "hoping" RJJ would win. But many people knew RJJ was a shot fighter and that it was a pointless fight, considering RJJ hadn't had a good performance at Light Heavyweight since 2002.
Don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy, the same Jeff Lacy who went life and death with Omar Sheika, and a desperate struggle against Syd Vanderpool. All before the Joe Calzaghe fight, the only reason Jeff Lacy got hype was because he beat an old shot Robin Reid.
Who gave Joe Calzaghe a tough fight, so boxing fans thought if he beat Robin Reid easily he surely will beat Joe Calzaghe, i certainly did not though. Also because he was American and the American's hadn't had a good Super Middleweight in quite sometime, hence where all the hype come from.
I only give Joe Calzaghe credit for his wins against Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, in recent years. Because Mikkel Kessler was a good fighter, and it was a fight between the 2 best Super Middleweights in the world. And Mikkel Kessler had some good world championship experience aswell as good technical skills.
But you could even argue Mikkel Kessler was overhyped, because his best win was arguably against Anthony Mundine.
Who was one of Sven Ottke's 1 punch KO victims who basically couldn't KO Mini-Me on Big Brother. I don't think that way but you could easily make that argument.
And Bernard Hopkins is a very good fighter at 43, so Joe Calzaghe does deserve credit. But you cannot be in your prime at 43, and i don't think Joe Calzaghe won the fight anyway. And had it been against the Bernard Hopkins of the late 90s, i think Bernard Hopkins would of won.
few last comments Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter, one of the best British fighters for years. But i just don't get that special feeling when i watch Joe Calzaghe, like i do when i watch Pernell Whitaker, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Ricardo Lopez, ETC.
Do you copy and paste this stuff or constantly repeat type it? :-\
Why are you telling me about Mundine getting sparked by the ultimate powderpuff Ottke? It's one of my all time favourite KO's. Do you think i didn't know about it? :-\ Over the years ive posted the picture a million times.
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That's exactly what many people said before he beat Lacy... and then before Kessler... and then before Hopkins... and then even before old Roy ;)
Who said that about and old RJJ ? alot of people were calling that fight a farce including myself. People were "hoping" RJJ would win. But many people knew RJJ was a shot fighter and that it was a pointless fight, considering RJJ hadn't had a good performance at Light Heavyweight since 2002.
Don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy, the same Jeff Lacy who went life and death with Omar Sheika, and a desperate struggle against Syd Vanderpool. All before the Joe Calzaghe fight, the only reason Jeff Lacy got hype was because he beat an old shot Robin Reid.
Who gave Joe Calzaghe a tough fight, so boxing fans thought if he beat Robin Reid easily he surely will beat Joe Calzaghe, i certainly did not though. Also because he was American and the American's hadn't had a good Super Middleweight in quite sometime, hence where all the hype come from.
I only give Joe Calzaghe credit for his wins against Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, in recent years. Because Mikkel Kessler was a good fighter, and it was a fight between the 2 best Super Middleweights in the world. And Mikkel Kessler had some good world championship experience aswell as good technical skills.
But you could even argue Mikkel Kessler was overhyped, because his best win was arguably against Anthony Mundine.
Who was one of Sven Ottke's 1 punch KO victims who basically couldn't KO Mini-Me on Big Brother. I don't think that way but you could easily make that argument.
And Bernard Hopkins is a very good fighter at 43, so Joe Calzaghe does deserve credit. But you cannot be in your prime at 43, and i don't think Joe Calzaghe won the fight anyway. And had it been against the Bernard Hopkins of the late 90s, i think Bernard Hopkins would of won.
few last comments Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter, one of the best British fighters for years. But i just don't get that special feeling when i watch Joe Calzaghe, like i do when i watch Pernell Whitaker, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Ricardo Lopez, ETC.
Do you copy and paste this stuff or constantly repeat type it? :-\
Why are you telling me about Mundine getting sparked by the ultimate powderpuff Ottke? It's one of my all time favourite KO's. Do you think i didn't know about it? :-\ Over the years ive posted the picture a million times.
Fenster i could say the same about you, most of your comments about Joe Calzaghe are mostly the same comments you always make. I was just debating back because we always mostly debate on Joe Calzaghe. And secondly no i wasn't telling you about Anthony Mundine getting KO'ed by Sven Ottke, like you didn't know about it.
I was just bringing up a point but i don't really get your point, because most people who debate with you on a Joe Calzaghe thread inform you about stuff you've debated about 1000000s of times.
And known about for years, and on mostly every thread people debate on here. They debate about or are informed about stuff they've known about for years, so like i said i don't really get your point.
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Who said that about and old RJJ ? alot of people were calling that fight a farce including myself. People were "hoping" RJJ would win. But many people knew RJJ was a shot fighter and that it was a pointless fight, considering RJJ hadn't had a good performance at Light Heavyweight since 2002.
Don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy, the same Jeff Lacy who went life and death with Omar Sheika, and a desperate struggle against Syd Vanderpool. All before the Joe Calzaghe fight, the only reason Jeff Lacy got hype was because he beat an old shot Robin Reid.
Who gave Joe Calzaghe a tough fight, so boxing fans thought if he beat Robin Reid easily he surely will beat Joe Calzaghe, i certainly did not though. Also because he was American and the American's hadn't had a good Super Middleweight in quite sometime, hence where all the hype come from.
I only give Joe Calzaghe credit for his wins against Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, in recent years. Because Mikkel Kessler was a good fighter, and it was a fight between the 2 best Super Middleweights in the world. And Mikkel Kessler had some good world championship experience aswell as good technical skills.
But you could even argue Mikkel Kessler was overhyped, because his best win was arguably against Anthony Mundine. Who was one of Sven Ottke's 1 punch KO victims who basically couldn't KO Mini-Me on Big Brother. I don't think that way but you could easily make that argument.
And Bernard Hopkins is a very good fighter at 43, so Joe Calzaghe does deserve credit. But you cannot be in your prime at 43, and i don't think Joe Calzaghe won the fight anyway. And had it been against the Bernard Hopkins of the late 90s, i think Bernard Hopkins would of won.
few last comments Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter, one of the best British fighters for years. But i just don't get that special feeling when i watch Joe Calzaghe, like i do when i watch Pernell Whitaker, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Ricardo Lopez, ETC.
Do you copy and paste this stuff or constantly repeat type it? :-\
Why are you telling me about Mundine getting sparked by the ultimate powderpuff Ottke? It's one of my all time favourite KO's. Do you think i didn't know about it? :-\ Over the years ive posted the picture a million times.
Fenster i could say the same about you, most of your comments about Joe Calzaghe are mostly the same comments you always make. I was just debating back because we always mostly debate on Joe Calzaghe. And secondly no i wasn't telling you about Anthony Mundine getting KO'ed by Sven Ottke, like you didn't know about it.
I was just bringing up a point but i don't really get your point, because most people who debate with you on a Joe Calzaghe thread inform you about stuff you've debated about 1000000s of times.
And known about for years, and on mostly every thread people debate on here. They debate about or are informed about stuff they've known about for years, so like i said i don't really get your point.
Oh right. You worded it like you was telling me something i didn't know. Thats all.
I wouldn't back Ottke to KO mini-me either.
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Even as a Hopkins fan I think its hypocritle to say he doesnt want to fight young talent, when he just did. He clearly just doesnt want Dawson, and I dont blame him. I hope he does retire but I know he wont. If he continues Id like to see him take on Valuev. It may sound completely crazy but he would likely beat him.
What he actually said on ESPN was that he didn't want to get in the way of the careers of any younger guys after the Pavlik win, although I think he does want to avoid Dawson, and like you I don't blame him. Would like to see him go out on top & I don't think he can top that moment staring out into press row at the end of the Pavlik fight
I don't think he's necessarily intimidated by Dawson, though I'm certain he's well aware of the risk that would come with fighting him. I'm sure Hopkins thinks he would win (I'm sure he think he could topple both Klitschko's in one night), but I doubt Dawson brings a lot of money to the table, and I'd think that that, combined with the risk associate with a Dawson fight, probably makes it seem like it just isn't worth it. I'm sure if the money was there, like it was with Pavlik, he'd be clamoring for the fight.
Sums it up as far as Dawson when you yhink about it.Handlers and promotion may be selling Dawson short and if that rematch with Tarver comes off,he's taking a big step backwards Imo.Dawson is a very solid comer with a future but he does not send shivers into Hopkins or for that matter Calzaghe but at this point with one foot out of the ring towards Retirement..."If it don't make dollars,It don't make cents".More and more,I see Those two heading to a rematch :-X
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Hopkins won't get Calzaghe and he won't retire.
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[quote=Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins;666180][quote=CFH;665809if that rematch with Tarver comes off,he's taking a big step backwards Imo.[/quote]
Does Tarver have it in him to beat Dawson, could it have been an off night for Tarver?
Could Dawson come in not as hyped because its just going over old ground and Tarver come in mean and hungry with a point to prove and actually fight?
Wouldnt it just be a big smelly mess if Dawson went and lost:p
Joe Calzaghe would then have beaten the man that beat the man that beat the man, if you know what im getting at;D
If Dawson gets beat and Froch fights Kessler and manages to beat him I can see promoters trying to lure Joe out for that one, it wouldnt happen if Kessler wan, Joe sees Froch as an easier fight than Mikkel, he wouldnt want to have to think that hard again at his age, he just wants to punch away and with Froch and his open guard and slow pace, hes made for Joe but its not going to happen because I cant see Froch going anywhere near Kessler let alone beating him.
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I wouldnt mind seeing a rematch. The first fight was boring as hell, but I think Calzaghe himself fought below par. He would work out a wider decision in a rematch and not make the mistake of getting floored in the first again. There is nothing Hopkins can bring to make me think otherwise. He's certainly not going to outwork Calzaghe nor actually stop him. Might land a few clean shots, but I see Calzaghe being a little less sloppy if they did it again. Would only be worse for Hops.
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Just last night on FNF he didn't say that at all. He said he doesn't want to fight young guys like Dawson so he doesn't get in the way of the flow of the upcoming talent. He did say he'd prefer a rematch with Calzaghe, but he did mention other options as well such as Taylor.
I gotta call BS on Hopkins. He doesn't want to get in the way of the flow of the upcoming talent? So that's why he just fought Pavlik and why he'd be open to a rematch with Taylor? He doesn't want to fight Dawson because he'll get beat. Dawson is too fast and probably strong enough to put a hurt on him.
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Just last night on FNF he didn't say that at all. He said he doesn't want to fight young guys like Dawson so he doesn't get in the way of the flow of the upcoming talent. He did say he'd prefer a rematch with Calzaghe, but he did mention other options as well such as Taylor.
Yeah, that's what I thought as well, but this appears to have different quotes from him than what I remember him saying, so I thought that maybe he had clarified this later on
IMHO Calzaghe doesnt want to rematch Hopkins because he knows he was very lucky to get a SD win in their first fight. He's scared his 0 will go along with his legacy. BUT. What Calzaghe doesnt realise is his legacy is stained until he does LEGITIMATELY beat Bernard Hopkins
No it's not. Everyone with a legacy has a shady looking win somewhere that they never cleared up or a fight they should have taken that didn't happen. To say not taking one fight scratches Joe's ENTIRE legacy just isn't a fair thing to assume.
