Can Jennings pull off a Shock and beat Cotto?

And will Cotto ever be the same again after the beating he took from Margarito.........?
I think Jennings might pull this off;)

Michael Jennings has one of the more unenviable tasks in boxing on February 21. Not only will he be facing one of the world’s best fighters at 147lb, but also a man looking to make an impression after suffering a crushing defeat last time out. That’s because Jennings meets Miguel Cotto for the vacant WBO welterweight title at Madison Square Garden, and there are not too many people in the ‘business’ giving Jennings much of a chance.........

Jennings interview
http://www.secondsout.com/USA/news.cfm?ccs=229&cs=52330

Jennings is as far from World class it beggers belief , he has only one chance , and that is none , he cant hit at top level , and has no chance what so ever of winning , this is a massive mismatch.

Cotto brutally KO'S him inside 5

I'd have agreed if it were a pre Margarito "Miguel Cotto" but what's Cotto gonna be like?
Very few fighters are ever the same after that sort of sustained beating .... Just look at Lacy.
Never a better time to face Cotto for someone like Jennings;)

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I have just did an article on this, hopefully it will be on the site in a few days, ill post it when its through

I've seen Jennings live twice, on the undercard of Calzaghe-Manfredo, beating Takaloo and on the undercard of one of the Hatton fights.

I remember thinking he was a nice clean fighter, with a bit of tenacity but....he got rocked a couple of times v Takaloo, Cotto can do more than rock any welterweight.

I think his movement and jab may allow him to avoid an embarrasment like Alfonso Gomez was handed, but at the same time I only see it going one way

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I've seen Jennings live twice, on the undercard of Calzaghe-Manfredo, beating Takaloo and on the undercard of one of the Hatton fights.

I remember thinking he was a nice clean fighter, with a bit of tenacity but....he got rocked a couple of times v Takaloo, Cotto can do more than rock any welterweight.

I think his movement and jab may allow him to avoid an embarrasment like Alfonso Gomez was handed, but at the same time I only see it going one way

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Theres one welterweight that we know Cotto cant rock...I hope Cotto comes back strong

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I've seen Jennings live twice, on the undercard of Calzaghe-Manfredo, beating Takaloo and on the undercard of one of the Hatton fights.

I remember thinking he was a nice clean fighter, with a bit of tenacity but....he got rocked a couple of times v Takaloo, Cotto can do more than rock any welterweight.

I think his movement and jab may allow him to avoid an embarrasment like Alfonso Gomez was handed, but at the same time I only see it going one way

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Theres one welterweight that we know Cotto cant rock...I hope Cotto comes back strong

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Cotto had enough power to keep Margarito off him.

See Cintron-Margarito, Margarito walked through Cintron power shots and dug to the body.
Cotto on the other hand had enough power to disuade Margarito from delving in.

Don't believe Tony is all physical, he's an expierienced ring-saavy fighter.

Anything is possible in this sport......but jennings gets his ass beat.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I've seen Jennings live twice, on the undercard of Calzaghe-Manfredo, beating Takaloo and on the undercard of one of the Hatton fights.

I remember thinking he was a nice clean fighter, with a bit of tenacity but....he got rocked a couple of times v Takaloo, Cotto can do more than rock any welterweight.

I think his movement and jab may allow him to avoid an embarrasment like Alfonso Gomez was handed, but at the same time I only see it going one way

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Hold on mate, Takaloo is a genuine big puncher and at light middle as well, Cotto has never been a big puncher, a good one yes but not big, Hatton hits harder than Cotto, Ricky took Maussas head clean off with that left hook, Cotto coulkdnt do that;)

Brian Hughes fighters are all very well schooled, taught how to defend and box nicely, Jennings does have power, remember him sparking Vincent?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBfiuUfm5HE

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I've seen Jennings live twice, on the undercard of Calzaghe-Manfredo, beating Takaloo and on the undercard of one of the Hatton fights.

I remember thinking he was a nice clean fighter, with a bit of tenacity but....he got rocked a couple of times v Takaloo, Cotto can do more than rock any welterweight.

I think his movement and jab may allow him to avoid an embarrasment like Alfonso Gomez was handed, but at the same time I only see it going one way

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Hold on mate, Takaloo is a genuine big puncher and at light middle as well, Cotto has never been a big puncher, a good one yes but not big, Hatton hits harder than Cotto, Ricky took Maussas head clean off with that left hook, Cotto coulkdnt do that;)

Brian Hughes fighters are all very well schooled, taught how to defend and box nicely, Jennings does have power, remember him sparking Vincent?

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Takaloo is nowhere in the region of Cotto.
To be a puncher requires more than raw power. It requires correct technique, balance and expierience. Cotto has all of the above.

Cotto is a very authorative puncher and his performances at Light Welterweight cannot be taken into consideration now.
At LW he was emmaciated, starved and weak.
Look at his performances at welter v Judah, Gomez and SSM.....thats a hard puncher.

Paulie Malignaggi also contested that Miguel Cotto punched a lot harder than Ricky, although Ricky was better in combination.

Sparking Vincent bears no consequence on a fight with Miguel Cotto.
A domestic level fighter cannot be compared to an elite, p4p worthy fighter

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I'd have agreed if it were a pre Margarito "Miguel Cotto" but what's Cotto gonna be like?
Very few fighters are ever the same after that sort of sustained beating .... Just look at Lacy.
Never a better time to face Cotto for someone like Jennings;)

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Lacy was a one-dimensional over-hyped power puncher. The beating, IMHO, did more damage to his confidence than his body. Joe humiliated him, but he didn't do much physical damage. That fight was a complete shutout.

Cotto took a serious physical beating from Tony, but for most of the fight, he was outboxing him. Cotto also has a number of wins over top-level competition. He lost to Tony, but he's beaten enough great fighters that one defeat won't destroy his confidence like it did to Lacy.

Anyway, even if Cotto ain't the same, Miguel Cotto at 75% will destroy Michael Jennings.

This fight is nothing but a confidence booster for Cotto! He took a beating from Toney but Cotto aint no Lacy and he get back to his best when he gets his confidence back.Even if Cotto isnt at his best he is still far too good for Jennings.Jennings is a good domestic fighter and a good bloke but he is'nt worrld class.

It all comes down to how Cotto is mentally after Margarito. Losses like that can permanently change a boxer, he may never be the same again.

I think the way Margarito broke him down may well have finished Cotto as a top-level fighter, and I certainly couldn't see him beating Margarito again, but the fact is even Cotto only 25% as good as he was pre-Margarito will smash Jennings

Not a chance for Jennings. I never actually seen him fight but have seen plenty of the Caguas King. You better put the kids to bed for this one it could get ugly quick.

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Originally Posted by smashup

I'd have agreed if it were a pre Margarito "Miguel Cotto" but what's Cotto gonna be like?
Very few fighters are ever the same after that sort of sustained beating .... Just look at Lacy.
Never a better time to face Cotto for someone like Jennings;)

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I can't believe how many of you guys think that fight affected Cotto for good. The man is fucking cold inside a ring. for 6 rounds he gave Tony a skillful beating, and had it not been for his nose I think he'd have made it close on the cards. No way can Jennings even bother Cotto. He's a decent boxer but Cotto has way too much for him.

Cotto is no Jeff Lacy. Mentally, I think he's very confident in his own abilities and in terms of skill, all round ability and his ability to adapt in a fight, I don't rate many higher in the sport.

Jennings (like Gary Lockett was) is a C borderline D level fighter. He will get destroyed in similar fashion.

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Jennings (like Gary Lockett was) is a C borderline D level fighter. He will get destroyed in similar fashion.

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Nah he's a better fighter than Lockett. Definately a C level fighter and has good boxing ability and finds his range well. He also works behind a decent jab.

However all that won't help, he will get destroyed in world class.

I think Jennings will put up a decent fight while it lasts, can't see anything but a Cotto win though.

How could anyone in their right mind even think Jennings has a chance. The man got beat easily by Young Mutley for fukk sake!
It wouldn have mattered if Margarito broke one of Cotto's arms off he'd still win this fight.

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Jennings (like Gary Lockett was) is a C borderline D level fighter. He will get destroyed in similar fashion.

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Nah he's a better fighter than Lockett. Definately a C level fighter and has good boxing ability and finds his range well. He also works behind a decent jab.

However all that won't help, he will get destroyed in world class.

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I don't agree i think Lockett is better than Jennings , but that doesn't matter as both are not even top euro class , neither could dominate Euro level for a prolonged period. Cotto tears him a new "A-HOLE"

I wouldn't be surprised if Cotto gets all cut and bloody, rocked, and even knocked down but seeing him lose against Jennings, probably not. Cotto has been in trouble with bunch of journeymen he has faced but he still comes back to win.
Not a victory I would be all excited about:rolleyes:.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Cotto gets all cut and bloody, rocked, and even knocked down but seeing him lose against Jennings, probably not. Cotto has been in trouble with bunch of journeymen he has faced but he still comes back to win.
Not a victory I would be all excited about:rolleyes:.

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Just fuck off already. For Christsakes, we get it, you don't think Cotto's resume is impressive. We understand. No one is saying Jennings will be an impressive victory. Please, for the love of God, demonstrate that you are capable about talking about something else.

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Originally Posted by smashup

I'd have agreed if it were a pre Margarito "Miguel Cotto" but what's Cotto gonna be like?
Very few fighters are ever the same after that sort of sustained beating .... Just look at Lacy.
Never a better time to face Cotto for someone like Jennings;)

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Sure, look at lacy, Jeff lacy was embarrassed and never let into the fight, showed massive floors and didnt look as fit as he should havebeen down the stretch..

What that fight did to change him was took away his heart, his undefeated mentality.. twelve whole rounds against a guy and he couldnt just snap out of it and throw the home run punches.. his confidence and everything else was effected..

Miguel Cotto had boxed well.. hit margarito hard.. and cotto hasnt received much criticism for his performance because the smart people all along had their money on margarito cause he style said this fight was going to play out in the way it did.. you could have guessed margo would wear him down but it was just whether or not miguel could bag at least 7 rounds in the process of a war with a big bad man following him the whole time..
So he doesnt deserve criticism.. cause that was the style of how the fightwas going to play out.. and in most peoples opinion cotto will come back and fight on.. but margarito is not the ideal opponent for him!..
he'll be hella ballsy to rematch him but some guys take losses, never look for a rematch and move on with their careers just fine.
i think cotto has every reason to come back, he took a beating.. but he can take pride in his performance, i think there'll be a future problem with margarito and margarito only..

And if i sway to the subject that is actually jennings - cotto i just dont think mike jennings can do it.. good guy.. just that bit better then british and europian/commonwealth titles etc.. but theres no place for him in the strong welter division..

hey.. i dont like hearing people say that about collazo.. but i think its truer of jennings then collazo..

but this is boxing and we are going to see about both real soon! :)

I see this fight going one of two ways.

1 - Cotto toys with Jennings, just like he did with Gomez, in order to get some rounds in, and then takes him out in the middle rounds.

2 - Cotto wants to make a big statement, and takes him out as quickly as possible.


Cotto :jabbing: Jennings

I had a dream last night that I was the ref for this fight and it went to the 4th round then Jennings landed some vicious shots knocking out Cotto.

just a dream though, I dont even know who this jennings guy is.

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Just f*** off already. For Christsakes, we get it, you don't think Cotto's resume is impressive. We understand. No one is saying Jennings will be an impressive victory. Please, for the love of God, demonstrate that you are capable about talking about something else

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Imagine how I get every time a thread is made just to throw crap at ODLH and praise Cotto or Pac for anything you can imagine. Can Jennings pull out a shocker? I wouldn't be surprised. There's my answer.

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Originally Posted by Chino

I wouldn't be surprised if Cotto gets all cut and bloody, rocked, and even knocked down but seeing him lose against Jennings, probably not. Cotto has been in trouble with bunch of journeymen he has faced but he still comes back to win.
Not a victory I would be all excited about:rolleyes:.

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Just fuck off already. For Christsakes, we get it, you don't think Cotto's resume is impressive. We understand. No one is saying Jennings will be an impressive victory. Please, for the love of God, demonstrate that you are capable about talking about something else.

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Amen to that, brother.

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Just f*** off already. For Christsakes, we get it, you don't think Cotto's resume is impressive. We understand. No one is saying Jennings will be an impressive victory. Please, for the love of God, demonstrate that you are capable about talking about something else

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Imagine how I get every time a thread is made just to throw crap at ODLH and praise Cotto or Pac for anything you can imagine. Can Jennings pull out a shocker? I wouldn't be surprised. There's my answer.

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I have a suggestion. Kill yourself - those threads will no longer bother you.

In all seriousness, those threads wishing Pac a happy B-day etc. annoy everyone (though you never say anything about Pac), but all you do is say the same thing over and over and over again. In addition to annoying the shit out of my and almost everyone else, it's complete bullshit.

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Just f*** off already. For Christsakes, we get it, you don't think Cotto's resume is impressive. We understand. No one is saying Jennings will be an impressive victory. Please, for the love of God, demonstrate that you are capable about talking about something else

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Imagine how I get every time a thread is made just to throw crap at ODLH and praise Cotto or Pac for anything you can imagine. Can Jennings pull out a shocker? I wouldn't be surprised. There's my answer.

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I have a suggestion. Kill yourself - those threads will no longer bother you.

In all seriousness, those threads wishing Pac a happy B-day etc. annoy everyone (though you never say anything about Pac), but all you do is say the same thing over and over and over again. In addition to annoying the shit out of my and almost everyone else, it's complete bullshit.

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These threads keep coming and I don't even start them. Never say anything about Pac? How long have you been here? I don't see you complaining about all the treads that throw crap at ODLH or the ones that praise Cotto. I don't go in there doing a tear drama like you, instead, I tell them why I disagree. So the suggestion you give me apply it to yourself as well.

So anyways, do you think Jennings can pull off a shock?

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Imagine how I get every time a thread is made just to throw crap at ODLH and praise Cotto or Pac for anything you can imagine. Can Jennings pull out a shocker? I wouldn't be surprised. There's my answer.

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I have a suggestion. Kill yourself - those threads will no longer bother you.

In all seriousness, those threads wishing Pac a happy B-day etc. annoy everyone (though you never say anything about Pac), but all you do is say the same thing over and over and over again. In addition to annoying the shit out of my and almost everyone else, it's complete bullshit.

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These threads keep coming and I don't even start them. Never say anything about Pac? How long have you been here? I don't see you complaining about all the treads that throw crap at ODLH or the ones that praise Cotto. I don't go in there doing a tear drama like you, instead, I tell them why I disagree. So the suggestion you give me apply it to yourself as well.

So anyways, do you think Jennings can pull off a shock?

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No. Cotto is a world class fighter with a great resume. Jennings will be lucky to see the fourth round.

And of course threads keep coming up about the most popular boxers in the world - this is a boxing forum. Furthermore, it is also not surprising that the most popular boxers evoke strong opinions. However, repeating the same thing over and over again, verbatim, is ridiculous.

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I have a suggestion. Kill yourself - those threads will no longer bother you.

In all seriousness, those threads wishing Pac a happy B-day etc. annoy everyone (though you never say anything about Pac), but all you do is say the same thing over and over and over again. In addition to annoying the shit out of my and almost everyone else, it's complete bullshit.

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These threads keep coming and I don't even start them. Never say anything about Pac? How long have you been here? I don't see you complaining about all the treads that throw crap at ODLH or the ones that praise Cotto. I don't go in there doing a tear drama like you, instead, I tell them why I disagree. So the suggestion you give me apply it to yourself as well.

So anyways, do you think Jennings can pull off a shock?

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No. Cotto is a world class fighter with a great resume. Jennings will be lucky to see the fourth round.

And of course threads keep coming up about the most popular boxers in the world - this is a boxing forum. Furthermore, it is also not surprising that the most popular boxers evoke strong opinions. However, repeating the same thing over and over again, verbatim, is ridiculous.

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CFH i think you will be quite suprised with Michael Jennings, he ain't a world class fighter but he has good boxing skills/good movement. And will last much longer than you think.

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Not a chance for Jennings. I never actually seen him fight but have seen plenty of the Caguas King. You better put the kids to bed for this one it could get ugly quick.

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No offense but how the hell can you say what will happen in the fight, if you have never even seen Michael Jennings fight ?

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These threads keep coming and I don't even start them. Never say anything about Pac? How long have you been here? I don't see you complaining about all the treads that throw crap at ODLH or the ones that praise Cotto. I don't go in there doing a tear drama like you, instead, I tell them why I disagree. So the suggestion you give me apply it to yourself as well.

So anyways, do you think Jennings can pull off a shock?

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No. Cotto is a world class fighter with a great resume. Jennings will be lucky to see the fourth round.

And of course threads keep coming up about the most popular boxers in the world - this is a boxing forum. Furthermore, it is also not surprising that the most popular boxers evoke strong opinions. However, repeating the same thing over and over again, verbatim, is ridiculous.

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CFH i think you will be quite suprised with Michael Jennings, he ain't a world class fighter but he has good boxing skills/good movement. And will last much longer than you think.

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Hopefully. I'll probably be cheering for him because he's such an underdog, but Cotto is going to be out to make a statement.

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No. Cotto is a world class fighter with a great resume. Jennings will be lucky to see the fourth round.

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Hhhhhmph! Fair enough. I disagree with him having a "great" resume but I agere with Jennings getting knocked out or losing. When Jennings faced Pryce he got hit easily with straight rights and got knocked down. Pryce obviously doesn't hit as hard as Cotto. Imagine if it is Cotto who connected those straight rights? Trouble for Jennings. I can say the same about Jenning's loss aganist Mutley.

I see no threat with Jennings but I wouldn't be shocked if Jennings hurts Cotto as past guys have already.

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And of course threads keep coming up about the most popular boxers in the world - this is a boxing forum. Furthermore, it is also not surprising that the most popular boxers evoke strong opinions

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See, that's the thing. Threads keep coming about how ODLH is stupid, gay, has no talent, doesn't deserve to be a hall of famer, etc. And nobody says a thing or cries about it, why? Because people hate him. But then you have Cotto as the most likeable guy in this forum. And I question his resume (I have gone fighter through fighter in his resume before, not just "oh, he sucks, he's gay" as people do with ODLH) as many times as these threads keep popping and I am suddenly seen as the bad guy?

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No. Cotto is a world class fighter with a great resume. Jennings will be lucky to see the fourth round.

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Hhhhhmph! Fair enough. I disagree with him having a "great" resume but I agere with him getting knocked out. When Jennings faced Pryce he got hit easily with straight rights and got knocked down. Pryce obviously doesn't hit as hard as Cotto. Imagine if it is Cotto who connected those straight rights? Trouble for Jennings. I can say the same about Jenning's loss aganist Mutley.

I see no threat with Jennings but I wouldn't be shocked if Jennings hurts Cotto as past guys have already.

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And of course threads keep coming up about the most popular boxers in the world - this is a boxing forum. Furthermore, it is also not surprising that the most popular boxers evoke strong opinions

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See, that's the thing. Threads keep coming about how ODLH is stupid, gay, has no talent, doesn't deserve to be a hall of famer, etc. And nobody says a thing or cries about it, why? Because people hate him. But then you have Cotto as the most likeable guy in this forum. And I question his resume (I have gone fighter through fighter in his resume before, not just "oh, he sucks, he's gay" as people do with ODLH) as many times as these threads keep popping and I am suddenly seen as the bad guy?

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Where are these threads about ODH being stupid, gay, and talentless? A few posters say those things, but threads based on those subjects by no means dominate the boards, that is pure hyperbole. A thread about ODH being stupid or gay would be locked and moved immediately. Show me one thread from the last 3 months about ODH being gay or stupid. Not posts, but threads. If you can do it, I'll be surprised and impressed. I've never seen anyone say ODH is talentless either, he's shot now, but he had a ton of talent in his day. I also recall very few instances in which people claim ODH is not a HoFer either, again - more baseless hyperbole. And if you're this bothered about him being called gay, maybe you shouldn't be quite so thin-skinned, he's arguably the most successful boxer ever, I'm sure he'll be ok.

So because you get upset when people deride your favorite fighter, you feel the need to say the same things about Cotto over and over again? That doesn't make any sense at all. Why not try and counter the arguments about ODH if you're such a bastion of boxing knowledge?

You're not seen as a "bad guy" either, you're just seen as reduntant and annoying. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you do something to change it.

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No. Cotto is a world class fighter with a great resume. Jennings will be lucky to see the fourth round.

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Hhhhhmph! Fair enough. I disagree with him having a "great" resume but I agere with him getting knocked out. When Jennings faced Pryce he got hit easily with straight rights and got knocked down. Pryce obviously doesn't hit as hard as Cotto. Imagine if it is Cotto who connected those straight rights? Trouble for Jennings. I can say the same about Jenning's loss aganist Mutley.

I see no threat with Jennings but I wouldn't be shocked if Jennings hurts Cotto as past guys have already.

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And of course threads keep coming up about the most popular boxers in the world - this is a boxing forum. Furthermore, it is also not surprising that the most popular boxers evoke strong opinions

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See, that's the thing. Threads keep coming about how ODLH is stupid, gay, has no talent, doesn't deserve to be a hall of famer, etc. And nobody says a thing or cries about it, why? Because people hate him. But then you have Cotto as the most likeable guy in this forum. And I question his resume (I have gone fighter through fighter in his resume before, not just "oh, he sucks, he's gay" as people do with ODLH) as many times as these threads keep popping and I am suddenly seen as the bad guy?

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I am not going to say that ODLH is g@y but I heard he loves sucking d1cks. As far as him being talented, have you heard him sing? ;D

I did say threads but I ment posts, my bad:rolleyes:. But there are also threads that are not even confirmed yet but are a good source to keep throwing crap at ODLH like the recent one that ODLH was looking for a rematch with Pac, remember that one? I could understand people saying that ODLH got a freebie against X and state their opinion why instead of something like what Danny just posted. Of course, nobody will say a thing. Now imagine if I said something like that about this forum's beloved Cotto. Wouldn't that be simply unnaceptable? I am yet to post something about Cotto like that. I have gone through some of Cotto's victories on his resume and mentioned why I don't think they are all that instead of just saying he sucks or something. Is that so bad? It's not like a start those threads.

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So because you get upset when people deride your favorite fighter, you feel the need to say the same things about Cotto over and over again?

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Some people have a good debate against ODLH and others just post stuff like what DannyG just did. Look at any ODLH thread and you'll see what I am talking about.

Do you want to go fighter through fighter from Cotto's resume? Be my guest. We can start a thread or keep it on PM if people find it unnaceptable to mention something negative about Cotto.

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Why not try and counter the arguments about ODH if you're such a bastion of boxing knowledge?

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I already did many times. Not only for ODLH but also AGAINST ODLH. I don't blind myself from his mistakes, freebie desicions, etc.

So anyways, do you agree or disagree with what I said about Jenning's fights that I mentioned? (just to stay on topic)

This fight is nothing more then the chance for the announcers to say "Miguel Cotto IS BACK!"

Miguel Cotto could beat every welterweight out there except Margarito. Imo he will never be mentally right until he beats Margarito, which he won't, he doesn't have the mentality that says "I will box 12 rounds and get a decision" he is the type of fighter who is patient for half a fight and then wants to knock someone out. And thats why he will never beat Margarito