Looks like it's just the paperwork left to iron out and we have a fight:cool:
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Looks like it's just the paperwork left to iron out and we have a fight:cool:
The Manila Times Internet Edition | SPORTS >Pacquiao, Hatton camps resolve purse dispute
I hope this fight goes ahead - I think it will be a Great fight, a proper tear-up.
I don't think it is a done deal though, I hope it does push through. This fight makes sense for both protagonists, shame if it goes on the wayside.
Incidentally found this write up, from Philippine Star.net, stating the Pacquiao camp's seriousness about getting a better than a 50/50 split, in this fight against Hatton. I see some valid point in this, sensibly not totally out of whack.
Ultimatum for Hatton
By Joaquin Henson Updated January 17, 2009 12:00 AM
British brawler Ricky Hatton isn’t as marketable as he insists he is, even in his homeland.
That’s the word from a boxing expert, who declined to be identified, in analyzing if a 50-50 split is a fair deal as negotiations for a fight between Hatton and Manny Pacquiao are bogging down because of a numbers disagreement.
Hatton’s group is insisting on a 50-50 split on all revenues generated by the proposed fight in Las Vegas on May 2. Pacquiao’s position is 60-40 in his favor.
“Hatton sells depending on his opponent,” said the expert. “When he fought (Paul) Malignaggi, the fight sold only anywhere between 70,000 to 200,000 pay-per-view hits in the UK compared to nearly a million in the (Floyd) Mayweather fight. That shows you even the English fans aren’t too hot on Hatton alone. They’ll buy only if Hatton’s opponent is a big name like Mayweather. So Hatton needs Pacquiao to draw even in the UK.”
Apparently, Top Rank chairman Bob Arum committed the 50-50 split to Hatton without consulting Pacquiao. Arum is now in a bind because Pacquiao is standing firm on 60-40. Hatton’s camp was made to understand that Pacquiao had approved the 50-50 split and is now up in arms after finding out the Filipino is holding out for 60-40.
In the US, the Hatton-Malignaggi fight brought in only 175,000 to 200,000-way below the pay-per-view figures that Pacquiao generates, whomever he fights. Against Oscar de la Hoya last November, Pacquiao drew over a million subscribers.
“The figures will show that it’s Pacquiao who brings in the money, not Hatton,” said the expert. “Under the circumstances, it’s inconceivable for a 50-50 split because that would be totally unfair to Pacquiao.”
Arum gave Pacquiao a deadline to agree to terms this week but the likelihood is there will be no signing unless Hatton gives in.
“It’s all up to Hatton,” said the expert. “Pacquiao will bring in the dollars. Hatton should know that. Nobody else out there can push the pay-per-view numbers higher than Manny.”
Pacquiao said he has given the Hatton camp up to Feb. 1 to come to terms. If there is no agreement, he said he wouldn’t be interested to fight Hatton anymore, now or in the future.
Meanwhile, lawyer Franklin (Jeng) Gacal said he will try to convince Pacquiao to accept a compromise split but the sharing must be a “substantial movement” from 50-50.
“This involves all income,” said Gacal who is in constant contact with Arum. “As for the guaranteed purses, my lips are sealed. We only want the best deal for Manny.”
Gacal said Pacquiao will definitely not fight Hatton on a 50-50 split. “A substantial movement will help me convince him,” he added. Gacal’s hint opened the door for a compromise settlement but it was made clear that unless Pacquiao has a larger share than Hatton, the fight is off.
Pacquiao said if Hatton refuses to budge, he will look for another opponent to fill the May 2 slot.
Asked if Floyd Mayweather Jr. could be a possible replacement, Pacquiao replied, “maybe.”
That article is bullshit tbh.. Hatton v Malignaggi did bad numbers because it wasn't really appealing, but have they looked at Hattons ppv buys in his previous fights? Mayweather, Castillo, Tsyzu etc.. not to mention filling a 50k capacity stadium with relative ease.. coud pac do that? The truth is Hatton could probably fill Wembley (90k capacity) if the fight was big enough, thats how big he is in britain.
I'd love to see pac mans ppv figures and amount of seats sold etc prior to his DLH fight.
IMO fair split...Both are huge draws...Both have tremendous followings outside of their home countries...both are big PPV draws.....At the moment neither would generate a payday that large against any other oppoents....
Will be a good fight...Though IMO it does not go the distance
They use Pacquiaos fight with De La Hoya to prove hes the bigger draw;D
That would be because Oscar was in it:rolleyes:
imagine if it had of been DLH v Hatton, thats gotta be biggerQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
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Originally Posted by Dragoimagine if it had of been DLH v Hatton, thats gotta be biggerQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
DLH-Hatton probably could have been bigger than PAC-DLH but Hatton declined when Hoya offered him the fight and then PAC fill in the slack...
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Great news!! This fight has to happen and im backing Hatton to win this fight. This fight has to go back to the old school for Hatton he needs this fight so much and he is the underdog. Hatton suits that style and I really do think this is going to be Hattons night. Come on Ricky !!!
Thank god! It's going to be a great fight!Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
of course hatton would fill up a 50k capacity stadium coz most likely the only 50k capacity stadium hatton fought on is wembley. come on man.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
Don't Bet on Hatton. Just enjoy the fight & the Action. But sorry to tell but Hatton will be like a Punching Bag until he gives up around rd 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
BTW Pac deserves the Lion Share. The fight is in the US and Pac has the Top PPV numbers there for a Fighter 140 & Below. Not Hatton nor PBF nor DLH hold that title. Now Pac only fought one fight at 147 & more than 1,2M satisfied PPV buyers see that. They'll be buying again.
Hatton has only the PBF fight as his PPV in the US. That one sold 850K, but you have to Credit PBF who recently beat DLH for that. Besides hatton lost in that fight, I'm sure he lost some fans after that.
UK will be shelling PPV money for this fight not only because of Hatton but because Pac is on the other corner. How come Hatton vs Pauli, Collazo, Castillo wasn't in PPV in the US? It even doesn't hit a High Ratings on free HBO. If Pac were Matched with those guys I'm sure it will be PPV & it will sell at Least 200K to 400K(Pac-Castillo guaranteed 350K+).
If I were Pac, I will not take 50-50, I will just take a Break & Just make Movies with Stallone & wait for PBF or until Hatton give up the 10%. Pac hanging with Stallone is Guaranteed to add another 500K to his PPV.
First off not a chance in hell PAC/Castillo over two years ago would of been ppv Castillo Corrales wasnt even ppv.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacdbest2Don't Bet on Hatton. Just enjoy the fight & the Action. But sorry to tell but Hatton will be like a Punching Bag until he gives up around rd 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
BTW Pac deserves the Lion Share. The fight is in the US and Pac has the Top PPV numbers there for a Fighter 140 & Below. Not Hatton nor PBF nor DLH hold that title. Now Pac only fought one fight at 147 & more than 1,2M satisfied PPV buyers see that. They'll be buying again.
Hatton has only the PBF fight as his PPV in the US. That one sold 850K, but you have to Credit PBF who recently beat DLH for that. Besides hatton lost in that fight, I'm sure he lost some fans after that.
UK will be shelling PPV money for this fight not only because of Hatton but because Pac is on the other corner. How come Hatton vs Pauli, Collazo, Castillo wasn't in PPV in the US? It even doesn't hit a High Ratings on free HBO. If Pac were Matched with those guys I'm sure it will be PPV & it will sell at Least 200K to 400K(Pac-Castillo guaranteed 350K+).
If I were Pac, I will not take 50-50, I will just take a Break & Just make Movies with Stallone & wait for PBF or until Hatton give up the 10%. Pac hanging with Stallone is Guaranteed to add another 500K to his PPV.
I thought at first Pac deserved the 60/40 split but looking into 50/50 is fair, Hatton brings the ppv from Britian i agree that the numbers will be alot higher than usual as he is fighting Pac, but Pac could fight anyone else and they would bring nothing like what Hatton brings which if the mayweather fight is anything to go by where there was 1.2 million buys at $30.00, thats close to $40 million dollers!!!!! Hatton deserves 50/50 without a doubt.
Let's say Pac said No and just wait for the winner of Margo & Mosley or wait for PBF. What's there for hatton?Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983First off not a chance in hell PAC/Castillo over two years ago would of been ppv Castillo Corrales wasnt even ppv.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacdbest2Don't Bet on Hatton. Just enjoy the fight & the Action. But sorry to tell but Hatton will be like a Punching Bag until he gives up around rd 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
BTW Pac deserves the Lion Share. The fight is in the US and Pac has the Top PPV numbers there for a Fighter 140 & Below. Not Hatton nor PBF nor DLH hold that title. Now Pac only fought one fight at 147 & more than 1,2M satisfied PPV buyers see that. They'll be buying again.
Hatton has only the PBF fight as his PPV in the US. That one sold 850K, but you have to Credit PBF who recently beat DLH for that. Besides hatton lost in that fight, I'm sure he lost some fans after that.
UK will be shelling PPV money for this fight not only because of Hatton but because Pac is on the other corner. How come Hatton vs Pauli, Collazo, Castillo wasn't in PPV in the US? It even doesn't hit a High Ratings on free HBO. If Pac were Matched with those guys I'm sure it will be PPV & it will sell at Least 200K to 400K(Pac-Castillo guaranteed 350K+).
If I were Pac, I will not take 50-50, I will just take a Break & Just make Movies with Stallone & wait for PBF or until Hatton give up the 10%. Pac hanging with Stallone is Guaranteed to add another 500K to his PPV.
I thought at first Pac deserved the 60/40 split but looking into 50/50 is fair, Hatton brings the ppv from Britian i agree that the numbers will be alot higher than usual as he is fighting Pac, but Pac could fight anyone else and they would bring nothing like what Hatton brings which if the mayweather fight is anything to go by where there was 1.2 million buys at $30.00, thats close to $40 million dollers!!!!! Hatton deserves 50/50 without a doubt.
I beg to disagree on the PPV issue, PAC/Castillo is a sure PPV. 2 years ago PAC fought Jorge Solis (Solis who??) on PPV. Jose Luis Castillo is way a bigger and known name compared to Jorge Solis...Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983First off not a chance in hell PAC/Castillo over two years ago would of been ppv Castillo Corrales wasnt even ppv.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacdbest2Don't Bet on Hatton. Just enjoy the fight & the Action. But sorry to tell but Hatton will be like a Punching Bag until he gives up around rd 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
BTW Pac deserves the Lion Share. The fight is in the US and Pac has the Top PPV numbers there for a Fighter 140 & Below. Not Hatton nor PBF nor DLH hold that title. Now Pac only fought one fight at 147 & more than 1,2M satisfied PPV buyers see that. They'll be buying again.
Hatton has only the PBF fight as his PPV in the US. That one sold 850K, but you have to Credit PBF who recently beat DLH for that. Besides hatton lost in that fight, I'm sure he lost some fans after that.
UK will be shelling PPV money for this fight not only because of Hatton but because Pac is on the other corner. How come Hatton vs Pauli, Collazo, Castillo wasn't in PPV in the US? It even doesn't hit a High Ratings on free HBO. If Pac were Matched with those guys I'm sure it will be PPV & it will sell at Least 200K to 400K(Pac-Castillo guaranteed 350K+).
If I were Pac, I will not take 50-50, I will just take a Break & Just make Movies with Stallone & wait for PBF or until Hatton give up the 10%. Pac hanging with Stallone is Guaranteed to add another 500K to his PPV.
I thought at first Pac deserved the 60/40 split but looking into 50/50 is fair, Hatton brings the ppv from Britian i agree that the numbers will be alot higher than usual as he is fighting Pac, but Pac could fight anyone else and they would bring nothing like what Hatton brings which if the mayweather fight is anything to go by where there was 1.2 million buys at $30.00, thats close to $40 million dollers!!!!! Hatton deserves 50/50 without a doubt.
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How does Pac no deserve the Lions share after what he did last year? He is p4p #1, he beat three guys in the three divisions.
Nothing personal against Ricky, he's a good fighter and a personable enough guy. But I'm rooting for Pac for two main reasons:
1. I was a fan BEFORE he humiliated ODLH. Now I'm an even bigger fan.
2. If Hatton, a natural at 140, were to beat Pacquiao, whose best weight is arguably 130, people's expectations of Hatton's ranking will go unrealistically through the roof.
Better for Pac to win and put these unrealistic expectations to bed.
Sorry i agree looking into it would have been ppv maybe doign 200k buys, but like i say Hatton is bringing nearly $40 million dollers from the uk ppv alone, sorry but that deserves 50/50 imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerI beg to disagree on the PPV issue, PAC/Castillo is a sure PPV. 2 years ago PAC fought Jorge Solis (Solis who??) on PPV. Jose Luis Castillo is way a bigger and known name compared to Jorge Solis...Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983First off not a chance in hell PAC/Castillo over two years ago would of been ppv Castillo Corrales wasnt even ppv.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacdbest2
I thought at first Pac deserved the 60/40 split but looking into 50/50 is fair, Hatton brings the ppv from Britian i agree that the numbers will be alot higher than usual as he is fighting Pac, but Pac could fight anyone else and they would bring nothing like what Hatton brings which if the mayweather fight is anything to go by where there was 1.2 million buys at $30.00, thats close to $40 million dollers!!!!! Hatton deserves 50/50 without a doubt.
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Hang on.. so if pac wins it would be ok to rank him a top p4p fighter still.. but if hatton won it wouldn't be ok to call him top p4p :confused::confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
This pac man fan boy shit has got to stop, judging by alot of comments it's like a win/win situation for pac man.. if he loses he's still p4p #1?
Some of the shit I read on here is unbelievable.. people would give pac credit for beating hatton but wouldn't give hatton the credit for a win purely because he's naturally bigger?
We might aswell disregard Mayweathers win over hatton.. since he was naturally a bigger man.
Reasoning (or lack thereof) like yours is the reason I'm rooting for Pac to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUKHang on.. so if pac wins it would be ok to rank him a top p4p fighter still.. but if hatton won it wouldn't be ok to call him top ppv? :confused::confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
This pac man fan boy shit has got to stop, judging by alot of comments it's like a win/win situation for pac man.. if he loses he's still p4p #1?
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It's ok to want pac to win.. but what you said was plain old stupid. Hattons expecations would go unrealistically through the roof? Lol.. isn't that exactly what has happened with pac man after beating a washed up DLH... I guess it's double standards when it comes to manny right?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
come on dude.. wake up. If Ricky were to beat Pac Man he'd deserve all the credit he would get, and more..
Pacquaio, who began his career at 105, jumped several divisions from his natural fighting weight of 130 to beat DLH at 147. To fight Hatton, he'd still be over his natural weight, at 140. How does that translate into putting Hatton anywhere near the top p4p for beating Pac? It doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUKIt's ok to want pac to win.. but what you said was plain old stupid. Hattons expecations would go unrealistically through the roof? Lol.. isn't that exactly what has happened with pac man after beating a washed up DLH... I guess it's double standards when it comes to manny right?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
come on dude.. wake up. If Ricky were to beat Pac Man he'd deserve all the credit he would get, and more..