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Everything seemed to be going well and then suddenly Pac wants more money, then backs out. There are only two reasons that make sense to me. One, Manny just doesnt want to fight him, which I dont think is the case. And two, Mayweather approached him and he figures he will make more fighting Mayweather in the US, even if Floyd makes more than him. He figures Floyd is a bigger draw in the US than Hatton ant that fight will generate more money. I think Pac-Mayweather will be announced shortly.
No people are confusing things and they are making assumptions...calling Manny greedy etc...
Fact is Manny and his people know what they guys at 147, etc get paid....He also knows that Hatton is a GBP fighter now....He knows what GBP can pay out and what they do pay out to opp......People forget that Pacquiao even though he has fought in smaller divisions with big names...The guys in those divisions regardless of how big the name recieve much smaller pay days then these other guys.....He has jumped up the divisions that these guys have been at for years...he is the smaller man...He is the P4P #1 fighter in the world...He figures why be paid like an opponent and why accept 126lb fighter money from guys at palces like Top Rank, Goosen, whe he should be getting paid.....WW/lww money from the promoter who pays the best in GBP......
Pacquiao is just refusing to be the opponent when it comes to the pay scale....He has the name recognition just as much as any of the other guys.....He wants either equal or more money because he has made the biggest jump....He has equal resume in quality if not better.....
Ask yourself this....
Would you jump up divisions to fight bigger guys for less money while they get paid more?
50-50 isnt less money. Its is not hat an "opponent" would make. The 52-48 he was offered was in his favor. Yes, Manny is p4p #1 but Ricky is Lt. Welterweight Champion. If you think Manny should get paid more, why should Ricky make what an "opponent" does. 50-50 is a justified offer by almost all unbiass accounts. Even Mannys promoter agrees.
Yea Daxx, 50-50 isint a slap in the face or chump change by any means.. According to the report Hatton conceded about 2%
In my estimation that is pretty big money, thats like reaching in your pocket and handing me a few hundred thousand dollars..
Manny is being a prick and not even talking to anyone, if thats not diva behavior I dont know what is. He skipped 140 to take a career payday against Delahoya at 147. IMO fighting Hatton for 52% for the Ring Championship at 140 legitimizes Pac's jump in weight and shows it wasnt a freak show at 147 and he is a player at heavier weights.
Sure 50/50 is agreed but if not for all the fuss and demanding he got more the would have tried to give Pacquiao the short end....Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom Boom
It is just all part of bargining....You want 50/50 you ask for 60/40 this way you have something to barter with...some give to appear that you were willing to come to terms....It is a business side...
Hopkins hurt himself a lot early in his career because he did not know how to use such tactics...He wanted X amount of dollars and would not budge so he lost big paydays and some people just refused to even deal with him
Not to mention the bar is set high for him now, if he dosent stay at 147 who is a bigger payday going back down in weight??? hell who at 147 is going to make him that much money except Mayweather...
Im beginning to think there might be something to a Mayweather / Pac deal starting to warm up.. The only thing that throws off the scent is Grandpa BOB not knowing about it
Yeah, but the final offer was 52-48 for Pac and he didnt take it. Imagine your Hatton the Light Welterweight champion with hundreds of thousands of fans worldwide, would you take anything less? And Manny not making big money at the lower weights is not Hattons concern or his problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnSure 50/50 is agreed but if not for all the fuss and demanding he got more the would have tried to give Pacquiao the short end....Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom Boom
It is just all part of bargining....You want 50/50 you ask for 60/40 this way you have something to barter with...some give to appear that you were willing to come to terms....It is a business side...
Hopkins hurt himself a lot early in his career because he did not know how to use such tactics...He wanted X amount of dollars and would not budge so he lost big paydays and some people just refused to even deal with him
If a Mayweather bout is not in the works then Manny has no excuse. Remember, all of Manny's people are even thinking Manny should take this. They have no idea why he let it crumble and he didn't even return calls when the deadline hour was approaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom BoomYeah, but the final offer was 52-48 for Pac and he didnt take it. Imagine your Hatton the Light Welterweight champion with hundreds of thousands of fans worldwide, would you take anything less? And Manny not making big money at the lower weights is not Hattons concern or his problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnSure 50/50 is agreed but if not for all the fuss and demanding he got more the would have tried to give Pacquiao the short end....Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom Boom
It is just all part of bargining....You want 50/50 you ask for 60/40 this way you have something to barter with...some give to appear that you were willing to come to terms....It is a business side...
Hopkins hurt himself a lot early in his career because he did not know how to use such tactics...He wanted X amount of dollars and would not budge so he lost big paydays and some people just refused to even deal with him
God I hope not.
Let Mayweather stay retired. I don't miss him one bit.
;D
Here's an excerpt of a blogger's view of a PBF vs. PAC fight:
Biggest fight out there
So how do you make a fight that matters to the mainstream—which is what you have to do in order to sniff a million buys—without any of the superstars who have carried boxing in the pay-per-view era?
You hope that the quality of a fight, and not just the name recognition of a fighter, can sell to the general public. And then you go out and make the best fight possible.
As we enter 2009, that fight is Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao. And it has something going for it that quite a few other million-buy boxing events didn’t: It’s a matchup that requires absolutely no defending.
De La Hoya vs. Pacquiao, the biggest seller of 2008, had to be defended against criticism that it was a size mismatch (which was proven untrue).
De La Hoya vs. Mayweather, the biggest seller ever, had to be defended against criticism that it was more business transaction than actual fight and a hyped-up probable bore (which was proven mostly true).
The first Tyson-Holyfield fight had to be defended against criticism that Holyfield was washed up and had no chance (which was proven untrue).
Lennox Lewis vs. Tyson had to be defended against criticism that Tyson was washed-up and had no chance (which was proven mostly true).
Mayweather-Pacquiao simply can not be criticized. Both fighters are in their primes. If we consider the temporarily retired Mayweather an active fighter and rank him pound-for-pound, this fight gives us, in whichever order you prefer, the No. 1 and No. 2 fighters on the planet. Nobody can call the fight a mismatch; rather, it will engender wild, passionate, intelligent and equally divided debate over who will have the edge in the ring.
The true fight fans’ fight, the one that can realistically sell a million PPVs in the U.S., maybe even 1.25-million like Pacquiao-De La Hoya did, is Mayweather vs. Pacquiao for the undisputed pound-for-pound crown.
Can you do those kinds of numbers without De La Hoya? It depends how much of De La Hoya’s glow was absorbed by the last two men to beat him. Just by fighting De La Hoya, by sharing a “24/7” buildup with him, by having their faces on billboards next to his, Mayweather and Pacquiao went from names only fight fans knew to names recognizable to the “SportsCenter” crowd.
And, again, they didn’t merely fight De La Hoya. They both beat De La Hoya. A win over De La Hoya can potentially be the springboard to the “A”-list, and pairing two fighters on the verge of that status may prove to be a winning formula. At the least, it’s the best formula there is in the post-Oscar-Tyson-Holyfield era that we’re entering.
“I absolutely think that Mayweather-Pacquiao is the biggest United States domestic pay-per-view seller in boxing today, without question,” Mayo opined. “Mayweather-Pacquiao is a fight fan’s fight. It’s not a glitterati fight. There’d be great appeal and I think the fight would do well. It’s the best fight that could be made in boxing today.
“But as for whether it’s a big record-breaker, I don’t necessarily see that.”
In other words, even though it’s a more appealing fight all-around than Pacquiao vs. De La Hoya, Pacquiao vs. Mayweather would be hard-pressed, especially in the current economy, to reach the 1.25-million buys that 2008’s top-selling fight garnered. The challenge of selling a non-heavyweight fight to the masses without De La Hoya is a stern one.
Unless the masses deserve more credit than we’re giving them.
This is boxing’s equivalent to Kobe vs. LeBron one-on-one. It tells us who is the very best in the world.
And maybe a fight like that, where every ounce of hype is accompanied by a pound of substance, could be just the kind of event that the mainstream has actually been waiting for.
;)
Maybe! Mayweather APPARENTLY needs the money now and if Hatton beats him first it would be a huge payday out of the window for Floyd as Hatton wouldn't bring the same money again because Floyds already beat him convincingly once!
I would give my left and right nut to see this fight. However much I'd like to see Hatton beat manny down into the ground, I'd love to see Floyd pick him apart little by little.. realisticly pac man has more of a chance of a win against Hatton, and he has a better claim for the bigger pot of the purse.. so it wouldn't make sense to fight floyd as it would be a harder match and less of a money maker (possibly..), and even if it weren't, Floyd would demand the bigger share.
We'll see..
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Originally Posted by JoeyUK
I don't know Manny has better chance to beat Hatton then Mayweather. Mayweather has been out for over a year now. Without a doubt there will be ring rust for a guy who simply uses the entire ring to his benefit. Were as Hatton just comes face forward and tries to take your head off.
No never said it was Hattons problem...each fighter wants the most they can get....Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom BoomYeah, but the final offer was 52-48 for Pac and he didnt take it. Imagine your Hatton the Light Welterweight champion with hundreds of thousands of fans worldwide, would you take anything less? And Manny not making big money at the lower weights is not Hattons concern or his problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnSure 50/50 is agreed but if not for all the fuss and demanding he got more the would have tried to give Pacquiao the short end....Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom Boom
It is just all part of bargining....You want 50/50 you ask for 60/40 this way you have something to barter with...some give to appear that you were willing to come to terms....It is a business side...
Hopkins hurt himself a lot early in his career because he did not know how to use such tactics...He wanted X amount of dollars and would not budge so he lost big paydays and some people just refused to even deal with him
And again the not taking the 52-48 and ending on a 50/50 makes Pacquiao seem like he and his people are agreeable to work with....The 50/50 is almost guarenteed thats what they wanted from day 1....
In the futture more promoters etc will be willing to haggle becaus ehe seems to be a guy who will bargin
That is why I mentioned Hopkins..he just would insist on one price and that is it...cost him millions
I don't get what you're saying here daxx? It was Pac that wanted the larger cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnNo never said it was Hattons problem...each fighter wants the most they can get....Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom BoomYeah, but the final offer was 52-48 for Pac and he didnt take it. Imagine your Hatton the Light Welterweight champion with hundreds of thousands of fans worldwide, would you take anything less? And Manny not making big money at the lower weights is not Hattons concern or his problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
And again the not taking the 52-48 and ending on a 50/50 makes Pacquiao seem like he and his people are agreeable to work with....The 50/50 is almost guarenteed thats what they wanted from day 1....
In the futture more promoters etc will be willing to haggle becaus ehe seems to be a guy who will bargin
That is why I mentioned Hopkins..he just would insist on one price and that is it...cost him millions
He refused a 50/50 split. Apparently that's why the fights not happening. His own promoter Bob Arum called the decision "bizarre."
sad situation hatton pac should of happened, if pac thinks he can beat hatton then he could move onto an even bigger fight with floyd.
It's probably BS by Pacquiao's people to fool Pacquiao. It has to go through TOP Rank because they are Pacquiao's Promoters.
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Originally Posted by fan johnny
Pacquiao's people to fool Pacquiao:confused:
How would that make sense?.....Why would Manny's people make up such a thing just to tell Manny....Who can easily find out if they lied to him
I'm still not sure if Pacman could beat Hatton... Don't think he should take a fight with PBF... It's all wrong for him... not saying that PBF would dominate or beat him baddly/make him look bad but I give him a slim chance of actually winning
Exactly Fenster, thats what I was confused about too. I respect you Daxx, as you are one of the most knowlegable posters on here imo, but youve caught me off guard on this one and I cant understand your logic. Pac wants the larger cut, not an even split, he wants to make more money than Hatton for the fight plain and simple. Hatton never demanded the lions share, Pac did.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI don't get what you're saying here daxx? It was Pac that wanted the larger cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnNo never said it was Hattons problem...each fighter wants the most they can get....Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom Boom
And again the not taking the 52-48 and ending on a 50/50 makes Pacquiao seem like he and his people are agreeable to work with....The 50/50 is almost guarenteed thats what they wanted from day 1....
In the futture more promoters etc will be willing to haggle becaus ehe seems to be a guy who will bargin
That is why I mentioned Hopkins..he just would insist on one price and that is it...cost him millions
He refused a 50/50 split. Apparently that's why the fights not happening. His own promoter Bob Arum called the decision "bizarre."
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Originally Posted by Boom BoomExactly Fenster, thats what I was confused about too. I respect you Daxx, as you are one of the most knowlegable posters on here imo, but youve caught me off guard on this one and I cant understand your logic. Pac wants the larger cut, not an even split, he wants to make more money than Hatton for the fight plain and simple. Hatton never demanded the lions share, Pac did.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI don't get what you're saying here daxx? It was Pac that wanted the larger cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
He refused a 50/50 split. Apparently that's why the fights not happening. His own promoter Bob Arum called the decision "bizarre."
No I understand Pac's is the one who wanted the bigger share....I just don't thhink that they were really firm with it....I think that the demanding they got the bigger share gave them something to bargin with...
EG-- Could have helped them make sure they could bend on the money to guarentee the venue...
Gloves..
PPV money over all etc.....
This way as time goes on they start agreeing to take come down on their share if they can have something else in return....
Also I have seen it done to feel out exactly how bad the other side wants the fight and what leverage they really have....
There are a ton of reasons and of course I do not know exactly why...But there is usally logic behind things like that and it is usually not so much a money issue as a barginning issue...
We have all haggled in our life I am suspecting so kind of in that manner just on a larger scale....
I have seen guys in the past take less to get the venue choice, gloves, length of training camp, catch weight, willingness to allow extra weight...and so on...
I am guessing on it all assuming there is an angle.....
OR
I am totally wrong and Pacquiao is just not thinking right but I still want to stand on the first thought uintill I hear more from the camps of both
Personally I still think the fight will happen, Hatton's people are calling Pac's bluff by opening talks elsewhere. I don't doubt Hatton will be looking at a PBF rematch or ODLH but they've still left the door open by saying until something has been signed the offer is still there for Manny.
I wouldn't be surprised if by the time Pac is back in States both Roach and Arum have talked some sense into him and the fight gets made.
I also don't think Pac is scared of Hatton for one second but Hatton's people should keep saying he is anyway until he agrees to fight. The plain simple truth is there isn't a better fight out there for either fighter!
Fair enough man, I agree there could very well be other issues. The truth is we may never know exactly. I assumed the enue was the US, which neither is at a real advantage. The type of gloves could be a factor, or maybe its bad blood between Manny and GBP which is also a likely possibility. Its no secret that Manny doesnt like Richard Shaeffer and Im sure he knows that a Hatton fight would put money in team Golden Boys pockets. Who knows, I guess well have to see how it plays out. I still believe that Mayweather-Pac is going to be made.
Money... Pacquiao's legal crew does not promote Pacquiao Top Rank does. That is why they don't want Manny to talk with Arum or Roach. You have to remember his status in the Philippines is much different than it is when he is in the US. He is like a President in the Philippines people around him are suppost to protect him but you will see that they also want to take advantage of his money and power that comes with his status. They want Arum and Roach out!Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Pacquiao's people to fool Pacquiao:confused:
How would that make sense?.....Why would Manny's people make up such a thing just to tell Manny....Who can easily find out if they lied to him
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Originally Posted by Boom Boom
Liike I said I could be wrong but just trying to think logic....
You have some other valid points with Shaeffer, GBP etc..
TBH I am surprised DLH did not try to acquire Pacquiao as a member of GBP...Like he has every other top fighter outside of PBF that has beaten him
Kind of over the top there but OKQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyMoney... Pacquiao's legal crew does not promote Pacquiao Top Rank does. That is why they don't want Manny to talk with Arum or Roach. You have to remember his status in the Philippines is much different than it is when he is in the US. He is like a President in the Philippines people around him are suppost to protect him but you will see that they also want to take advantage of his money and power that comes with his status. They want Arum and Roach out!Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Pacquiao's people to fool Pacquiao:confused:
How would that make sense?.....Why would Manny's people make up such a thing just to tell Manny....Who can easily find out if they lied to him