This is the guy that Mayweather is "afraid" of?

Mayweather would dominate Margarito exactly like he dominated Baldomir, THis is exactly how I said Cotto should have foughten Margarito because if you clench him a lot, he can get anything off, he doesn't have the wrinkles to be effective in this type of fight. Cotto and Mosley IMO were/are stronger, Cotto was able to muscle Margarito around when they were tied up, but then he would back away instead of staying in his chest which I said he should have done. I can't believe how easy this is.

This why you can't idolize him, he is no JCC.

It's still not easy, you have to have the skill level and you still have to take those shots that both Cotto and Mosley got hit with.

With that said, I saw 120-108 from the beginning it's simply the wrong style. Mayweather wouldn't have bothered fighting Margarito the way Mosley did though. It's annoying when you edit your post just to say something prickish. Saying you can't idolize him just takes away from all your other points, not sure why you would want that.

Mayweather would stop him too. Margarito is nothing special and Shane proved it.

Styles make fights, and it turns out Shane has the right style to beat Tony. One bad defeat does not make Tony overrated, he just lost to the better man tonight. Make no mistake he is still one of the best Welterweights in the world. He has already proved that. He deserves credit for fighting the best like a true champion. As for Shane, this is a great win to add to his HOF resume. By far one of his biggest wins and best performances.

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Mayweather would stop him too. Margarito is nothing special and Shane proved it.

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Finally, can I stop hearing about this damn Margarito? lol. Staples Center sure was quiet. I'm so glad Shane whooped his ass.

I guess anyone who uses illegal hand wraps has an advantage over his opponent. Cotto will come back and own Tony for this.

Tony has been EXPOSED as a cheater. End of but I am very sorry to hear this happen because it took away from a great Champion in Cotto.

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Styles make fights, and it turns out Shane has the right style to beat Tony. One bad defeat does not make Tony overrated, he just lost to the better man tonight. Make no mistake he is still one of the best Welterweights in the world. He has already proved that. He deserves credit for fighting the best like a true champion. As for Shane, this is a great win to add to his HOF resume. By far one of his biggest wins and best performances.

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Margarito is terribly overrated, it wasn't just styles that make fights, Mayweather would own him. Margarito doesn't hit that hard, HE CAN be hurt, he needs to be allowed to throw punches.

I wrote what I did after the first round. I am not sure if I said, but I also said after Margarito-Cotto this is exactly how Cotto should have foughten Margarito.

The fact is Cotto is a million times better than Margarito, he just fought the wrong fight against the wrong opponent, and he isn't super durable.

More skilled doesn't mean better. I agree and I do think Cotto has way more skills and I'm partial to guys with more skill then the guys who just gut forward but damn, give him a little credit for being a fighter who's been able to have a lot of success in a tremendously skilled division.

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More skilled doesn't mean better. I agree and I do think Cotto has way more skills and I'm partial to guys with more skill then the guys who just gut forward but damn, give him a little credit for being a fighter who's been able to have a lot of success in a tremendously skilled division.

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No losing because your styles don't match up doesn't make you worse. Cotto beat Mosley, he had a way closer fight with Margarito than Margarito had with Mosley. Paul Williams isn't that great, and he beat Margarito and IMO would doso again. Mayweather would beat Margarito, as would Pacquiao, maybe even Berto.

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More skilled doesn't mean better. I agree and I do think Cotto has way more skills and I'm partial to guys with more skill then the guys who just gut forward but damn, give him a little credit for being a fighter who's been able to have a lot of success in a tremendously skilled division.

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No losing because your styles don't match up doesn't make you worse. Cotto beat Mosley, he had a way closer fight with Margarito than Margarito had with Mosley. Paul Williams isn't that great, and he beat Margarito and IMO would doso again. Mayweather would beat Margarito, as would Pacquiao, maybe even Berto.

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Now your just drinking the kool-aid,Mosley even at this stage is lightyears ahead of Berto...and a Pacquioa at about 150,that what they come in at with Margarito.Williams will never again rome at Welter,prior to and after tonight.

Margarito would never catch Pacquiao in the ring, and Mosley isn't light years ahead of Berto, I hope they fight next so Berto can prove it.

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Margarito would never catch Pacquiao in the ring, and Mosley isn't light years ahead of Berto, I hope they fight next so Berto can prove it.

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Mosley knocks Berto the fawk out!To strong inside,accurate and riding HUUUUGE momentum off tonight.Berto coming off so-so wtf descision where his defensive lapses were glaring and he raised more questions than he answered.

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Mayweather would stop him too. Margarito is nothing special and Shane proved it.

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mayweather would win but he wouldnt stop him...he doesn't hit nearly as hard as shane and would probably break his hand if he tried...mayweather 119-109

If Mayweather were to come back and actually take the fight, I think he would beat Margarito on points pretty comfortably- but NOT even come close to knocking him out. Above 140 he fights very smart (some might say boring) when he's fighting naturally bigger men - not the case against a blown up 140 pounder.

But he's retired and I hope he stays retired unless he fights at 140 or below, because above this weight he fights too "smart" for my taste.

Props to Shane Mosley for a incredible performance and to both fighters for making the fight happen.

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Margarito would never catch Pacquiao in the ring, and Mosley isn't light years ahead of Berto, I hope they fight next so Berto can prove it.

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mosley would walk berto down and stop him...Shane only has two fights he should take....floyd or the pac-hatton winner...other than that he has nothing to prove anymore...best light weight this side of duran..and for his fights with vargas,delahoya, winky, mayorga, cotto, margarito, he's easily one of the best fighters p4p top 20.. all time

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Mayweather would stop him too. Margarito is nothing special and Shane proved it.

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Floyd will never stop any top WW. Remember Hatton was never a top WW.

Look Teath you know i am a fan of Berto but if he trys to trade blows with Mosley he going to get knocked out i mean he is still green as for Mayweather he would win but there is no way he do to Margrito what Mosley did to him tonight i know your not a fan of Mosley but that fight with Cotto could of gone either way and Mosley hits hell alot harder then Pac does all i am saying is i think you should give Mosley some credit because Cotto and Cintron could not hurt Margarito but Mosley had him wobbling all over the place i mean Margarito got lite up big time.

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Margarito would never catch Pacquiao in the ring, and Mosley isn't light years ahead of Berto, I hope they fight next so Berto can prove it.

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Mosley knocks Berto the fawk out!To strong inside,accurate and riding HUUUUGE momentum off tonight.Berting off so-so wtf descision where his defensive lapses were glaring and he raised more questions than he answered.

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I am betting you that Shane wouldn't stop Berto, he isn't landing those punches he did on Margarito on Berto. He was having a hard time landing really clean punches on Collazo while Berto did with ease. MOsley was lucky that Luis broke his hand, because him being southpaw and being so quick really gave SHane problems early, then Luis stopped punching. You want to see defensive lapses? Watch Mosley-Wright I and II, Watch Mosley vs Cotto, MOsley vs Vernon Forrest I and II, Mosley vs Vargas I. That is a guy who is easy to hit. Berto may have had defensive problems but Collazo was still landing under 30%, and he hardly landed at all when they were actually boxing. Berto has a way better jab, he is faster than MOsley, a better boxer, he hits harder, I say he can take Mosley's punch, and he is in just as good of shape.

Watch Mosley-Estrada and then Berto-Estrada and you will see who has more power, who is faster, who is better.

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Look Teath you know i am a fan of Berto but if he trys to trade blows with Mosley he going to get knocked out i mean he is still green as for Mayweather he would win but there is no way he do to Margrito what Mosley did to him tonight i know your not a fan of Mosley but that fight with Cotto could of gone either way and Mosley hits hell alot harder then Pac does all i am saying is i think you should give Mosley some credit because Cotto and Cintron could not hurt Margarito but Mosley had him wobbling all over the place i mean Margarito got lite up big time.

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If Mosley-Berto ever comes to pass I am betting 100% on Berto. All the troubles Cotto gave Mosley Berto will give in tripples. He is way faster than Cotto, he has better endurance, he's tougher, he's harder to hit, and he hits harder.

Also how would you think Berto would do against Forrest not well in my book and Winky would take him to school those arent good examples.

Its funny that you mentioned it because, Winky actually sparred with Berto during his preparation for his fight against Ike Quartey, Berto was his chief sparring partner, and Berto more than held his own against Wright. Against Forrest, its impossible to judge that fight, Forrest definitely is super human, I mean look what Mayorga did to him. IMO Berto would give him a run for his money, and I am not saying Berto is the best fighter in the world, but he will be one of them soon, and stylewise Mosley will have terrible time against him. He hates fighting guys who are fast, guys who can jab, and nobody likes fighting a guy who is hard to hit, which Berto is when he is fighting normally(like against Forbes).

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Its funny that you mentioned it because, Winky actually sparred with Berto during his preparation for his fight against Ike Quartey, Berto was his chief sparring partner, and Berto more than held his own against Wright. Against Forrest, its impossible to judge that fight, Forrest definitely is super human, I mean look what Mayorga did to him. IMO Berto would give him a run for his money, and I am not saying Berto is the best fighter in the world, but he will be one of them soon, and stylewise Mosley will have terrible time against him. He hates fighting guys who are fast, guys who can jab, and nobody likes fighting a guy who is hard to hit, which Berto is when he is fighting normally(like against Forbes).

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berto and cotto should fight....shane beats berto with pressure...Shane only has two fights that are smart for him...pbf or the hatton pac winner...

Look Mosley has beat Berto best name on his resume in better fashion and when he was like 10 years older and not prime i not saying Berto would not go on to be great but come on him facing Mosley very tough fight. I dont think Berto can hurt Shane tell you the truth maybe he can but i know for damn sure if Mosley counters him with power shot it my be all she wrote for Berto in a way he kinda reminds me of Mosley and i like him but on that not sure just how good his chin is and he makes just as much mistakes and Mosley does if he trys to duke it out with him game over Berto while hit teh canvas faster then Margrito did wont be pretty.

Shane pressures Berto? Berto is the higher output guy, and he isn't Margarito, he has way more skill and athleticism to back him up, if not physical strength, I mean this guy was a TOP running back prospect had he gone to college instead of going into boxing, people compared him to Warrick Dunn, obviously not the biggest guy, but still very powerful compared to most welterweights.

IMO once again and I will agree to disagree he outboxes Shane, and makes Shane look like what he is, a boxer-puncher who isn't the best puncher or boxer out there.

Berto has alot of gifts alot like Mosley but he tends to not take a step back and cant stay focused so that is his down fall not what he can do with his speed and power but how his mind set is this is a very mental game reason why Leonard was so good because he was very gifted with speed power and chin but he was also tough as nails and never gave in.

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Shane pressures Berto? Berto is the higher output guy, and he isn't Margarito, he has way more skill and athleticism to back him up, if not physical strength, I mean this guy was a TOP running back prospect had he gone to college instead of going into boxing, people compared him to Warrick Dunn, obviously not the biggest guy, but still very powerful compared to most welterweights.

IMO once again and I will agree to disagree he outboxes Shane, and makes Shane look like what he is, a boxer-puncher who isn't the best puncher or boxer out there.

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Pressure him by walking through his shots constantly. and cutting the ring off...not by throwing a lot, simple aggression by stalking. Berto's stamina is suspect..and he doesn't have the power of shane. Shane would stop berto.

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Styles make fights, and it turns out Shane has the right style to beat Tony. One bad defeat does not make Tony overrated, he just lost to the better man tonight. Make no mistake he is still one of the best Welterweights in the world. He has already proved that. He deserves credit for fighting the best like a true champion. As for Shane, this is a great win to add to his HOF resume. By far one of his biggest wins and best performances.

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Margarito is terribly overrated, it wasn't just styles that make fights, Mayweather would own him. Margarito doesn't hit that hard, HE CAN be hurt, he needs to be allowed to throw punches.

I wrote what I did after the first round. I am not sure if I said, but I also said after Margarito-Cotto this is exactly how Cotto should have foughten Margarito.

The fact is Cotto is a million times better than Margarito, he just fought the wrong fight against the wrong opponent, and he isn't super durable.

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No, it's a bad matchup for Cotto. If Cotto have attacked Tony as aggressively has Shane did, Cotto would have been done in 5. Yes. Cotto a more complete all around fighter than Tony, but he's chinny and has only average speed. But you were still convinced that Mosley didn't have a chance against Tony. So let me get this straight, you really felt that poorly about Mosley? Cotto is a million times better than Tony...yet Shane lost to Cotto by one round. A very close fight in everybody's opinion but yours. Shane has won belts at 154, beaten Oscar 2x, Collazo (Easily, who gave your man crush all he could handle), Mayorga, and Vargas. Lost to a much bigger Winky by one round on two cards and drew with him on the other. And Shane only won because he clinched.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

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Mayweather would dominate Margarito exactly like he dominated Baldomir, THis is exactly how I said Cotto should have foughten Margarito because if you clench him a lot, he can get anything off, he doesn't have the wrinkles to be effective in this type of fight. Cotto and Mosley IMO were/are stronger, Cotto was able to muscle Margarito around when they were tied up, but then he would back away instead of staying in his chest which I said he should have done. I can't believe how easy this is.

This why you can't idolize him, he is no JCC.

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Exactly! I have also compared Baldomir to Margarito if he ended up facing Mayweather. Both Margarito and Baldomir have power in their punches but not so much in the speed department.

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Margarito would never catch Pacquiao in the ring, and Mosley isn't light years ahead of Berto, I hope they fight next so Berto can prove it.

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Mosley knocks Berto the fawk out!To strong inside,accurate and riding HUUUUGE momentum off tonight.Berting off so-so wtf descision where his defensive lapses were glaring and he raised more questions than he answered.

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I am betting you that Shane wouldn't stop Berto, he isn't landing those punches he did on Margarito on Berto. He was having a hard time landing really clean punches on Collazo while Berto did with ease. MOsley was lucky that Luis broke his hand, because him being southpaw and being so quick really gave SHane problems early, then Luis stopped punching. You want to see defensive lapses? Watch Mosley-Wright I and II, Watch Mosley vs Cotto, MOsley vs Vernon Forrest I and II, Mosley vs Vargas I. That is a guy who is easy to hit. Berto may have had defensive problems but Collazo was still landing under 30%, and he hardly landed at all when they were actually boxing. Berto has a way better jab, he is faster than MOsley, a better boxer, he hits harder, I say he can take Mosley's punch, and he is in just as good of shape.

Watch Mosley-Estrada and then Berto-Estrada and you will see who has more power, who is faster, who is better.

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Watch Mosley - Collazo and watch Berto - Collazo. Then you will see who has more power, who is fast, and who is better. :owned:

Don't play that game. It doesn't work. Mosley will KTFO Berto. If they fight, within the next year, let's have a little sig bet. For one month you change you name to BertoNugger and add to your sig "I am not worthy to watch Shane Mosley fight because I'm too stupid to appreciate his greatness."

Throw anything you want at me. I'll change my name to "Sucks Mosleys Balls" or something like that. Whatever you want.

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Mayweather would stop him too. Margarito is nothing special and Shane proved it.

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i'd say it's the opposite, it just goes to show just how talented the welterweight division is, that anyone can beat anyone, like Kellerman said last week, no one is safe, in the welterweight division

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Mayweather would stop him too. Margarito is nothing special and Shane proved it.

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i'd say it's the opposite, it just goes to show just how talented the welterweight division is, that anyone can beat anyone, like Kellerman said last week, no one is safe, in the welterweight division

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Nobody stops Mayweather. How can Margarito stop somebody he wont be able to hit? I say either he stops margarito or outclasses him in every round.

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Mayweather would stop him too. Margarito is nothing special and Shane proved it.

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i'd say it's the opposite, it just goes to show just how talented the welterweight division is, that anyone can beat anyone, like Kellerman said last week, no one is safe, in the welterweight division

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Exactly, Quintana shocked Williams, Margarito shocked Cotto, Mosley did the same to Margarito, Manny beat Oscar...its just a crazy division with a lot of talent and alot of contrasting styles. There are many interesting fights that can be made

Once again your on crack thinking Mosely and Mayweather are the same type of fighter. Mayweather could not manhandle Tony like shane did. Mayweather gets pushed to the ropes by ODLH, and Hatton. It would be a totally different fight, so knock off that shit with assuming someone else beat a fighter so anyone can do the same thing to him.

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Mayweather would stop him too. Margarito is nothing special and Shane proved it.

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i'd say it's the opposite, it just goes to show just how talented the welterweight division is, that anyone can beat anyone, like Kellerman said last week, no one is safe, in the welterweight division

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Exactly, Quintana shocked Williams, Margarito shocked Cotto, Mosley did the same to Margarito, Manny beat Oscar...its just a crazy division with a lot of talent and alot of contrasting styles. There are many interesting fights that can be made

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the mosley marg fight wasn't a shock, nor the quintana williams fight, imo...

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i'd say it's the opposite, it just goes to show just how talented the welterweight division is, that anyone can beat anyone, like Kellerman said last week, no one is safe, in the welterweight division

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Exactly, Quintana shocked Williams, Margarito shocked Cotto, Mosley did the same to Margarito, Manny beat Oscar...its just a crazy division with a lot of talent and alot of contrasting styles. There are many interesting fights that can be made

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the mosley marg fight wasn't a shock, nor the quintana williams fight, imo...

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Not to me either, but it was to a lot of people and oddsmakers...and Margarito and Williams too im sure.

Why do we have a post about a guy who won't fight anyone?

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Once again your on crack thinking Mosely and Mayweather are the same type of fighter. Mayweather could not manhandle Tony like shane did. Mayweather gets pushed to the ropes by ODLH, and Hatton. It would be a totally different fight, so knock off that shit with assuming someone else beat a fighter so anyone can do the same thing to him.

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I find it funny that Taeth tries to come off with well typed posts but in reality here he's saying that because SSM beat Margarito that PBF would beat Margarito which is absurd because SSM and PBF fight nothing alike.
Taeth tries REALLY hard to stir things up for the most part he suceeds cause he gets the replies he wants.
If you notice it's like every thought he has, he creates a thread about it.
Well at least he wont be alone...

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Once again your on crack thinking Mosely and Mayweather are the same type of fighter. Mayweather could not manhandle Tony like shane did. Mayweather gets pushed to the ropes by ODLH, and Hatton. It would be a totally different fight, so knock off that shit with assuming someone else beat a fighter so anyone can do the same thing to him.

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I find it funny that Taeth tries to come off with well typed posts but in reality here he's saying that because SSM beat Margarito that PBF would beat Margarito which is absurd because SSM and PBF fight nothing alike.
Taeth tries REALLY hard to stir things up for the most part he suceeds cause he gets the replies he wants.
If you notice it's like every thought he has, he creates a thread about it.
Well at least he wont be alone...

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I don't mind Taeth but his posts are generally garbage. After any shock result he always pops up with his definitive analysis and gleefully attempts to point out that he knew it was going to happen that, but he's only ever wise after the event.


Mosely knocking out Margarito like that was a HUGE upset, yes a lot of us thought Mosely's superior speed and skills could get him a win, arguably even a dominant win but to that he could literally obliterate a prime Margarito, coming of his defining win over the p4p king elect and smash him up like he was unthinkable.

I don't think any serious expert could have predicted the guy with the best chin in boxing getting ktfo like that, a sensational win by Mosely and it annoys me that Taeth wants to claims a piece of it, as he does with every big fight upset.

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Once again your on crack thinking Mosely and Mayweather are the same type of fighter. Mayweather could not manhandle Tony like shane did. Mayweather gets pushed to the ropes by ODLH, and Hatton. It would be a totally different fight, so knock off that shit with assuming someone else beat a fighter so anyone can do the same thing to him.

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I find it funny that Taeth tries to come off with well typed posts but in reality here he's saying that because SSM beat Margarito that PBF would beat Margarito which is absurd because SSM and PBF fight nothing alike.
Taeth tries REALLY hard to stir things up for the most part he suceeds cause he gets the replies he wants.
If you notice it's like every thought he has, he creates a thread about it.
Well at least he wont be alone...

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I don't mind Taeth but his posts are generally garbage. After any shock result he always pops up with his definitive analysis and gleefully attempts to point out that he knew it was going to happen that, but he's only ever wise after the event.


Mosely knocking out Margarito like that was a HUGE upset, yes a lot of us thought Mosely's superior speed and skills could get him a win, arguably even a dominant win but to that he could literally obliterate a prime Margarito, coming of his defining win over the p4p king elect and smash him up like he was unthinkable.

I don't think any serious expert could have predicted the guy with the best chin in boxing getting ktfo like that, a sensational win by Mosely and it annoys me that Taeth wants to claims a piece of it, as he does with every big fight upset.

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Especially because Taeth was 100% clear that he didn't give Mosley a snowballs chance in hell.

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I'm the dog. Taeth is the hydrant.

Hi. My name is Taeth. I'm in love with Mayweather and Berto. They have such fast hands they can wank me off in no time, and I love that they have such good defense. It makes raping them more of a challenge.

Taeth = :gay-as-steelie:

This afraid of stuff seemed just as silly back then as it does to everyone now.