Rivals High - Coach says he's not sorry for 100-point win
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I don't really see the problem. I mean if it was a contact sport and the points difference was 100 points then yeah it should be stopped but it's basketball.
I've played on small hockey teams outnumbered by opponents before. Sometimes we'd loose by a long way but with nothing to be ashamed of because you know you're playing short anyway it can be more fun in some ways.
You get a lot more time in the game rather than subbing in ad out. You get a good run because you might play 2 positions. It's no longer about the score so much as just being proud to not give up and to give it a good shot and it sounds like the loosing team was proud of that.
I'm stunned the winning team would be expected to apologise! I mean i'd find it demeaning and embarassing knowing that my opponents had to do that and I'd rather loose by a long way playing a proper game than be mollycoddled.
Plus how does this make news?!?! Some people take what should be recreational high school sports and winning or loosing waaaaay too seriously!
100 zip against a private dyslexic school that has what 20 students?
Why dont you just womp on retarded kids while your at it.
Those girls had their parents in attendence,if your dominating that bad,you could have pulled the foot off the throttle,but this idiot was cheering when they got close to 100 points.
These are kids for the love of god,great,way to scar a bunch of obviously overmatched girls for life so you can get 100 points
And it isnt about winning or losing,its about somebody grinding a teenage girls nose in the losing.
I think you can cheer your team on without being demeaning towards the opposite team. If you cheer when a point is scored fine - if you bad mouth the other team then that sucks but there's no mention of that.
So the team which lost came from a small school - the only way it really hurts them is if someone teaches them that loosing a basketball game characterizes who they are.
It shouldn't be a big deal. If they play with good sportspersonship, shake hands at the end of it and get a good run at it I think it could be waaay more fun then winning as part of an overly serious team.
There is nothing in the article that suggests the girls left the field upset. In fact it said they'd lost every game but were still playing and determined to finsh the game no matter how outscored they were. If they cared about loosing that much they wouldn't have a team because they would have quit after one of their other many losses.
Knowing it doesn't matter win or loose is probably half the reason they enjoy it! I think making a news item out of it and a big deal is way worse than loosing in the first place. Now EVERYONE knows they're on a loosing streak.
We have womens basket ball teams here where the coaches who are fathers take to it like they have sheep stations bet on each game.They live for it and are obsessed with win at all costs.
Their girls follow the pressure and even try to take out our girls illeagally.
Its a sad indication on peoples liitle spirits entering into areas that they shouldnt.
When our girls play they enjoy all our teams company and its usually lighthearted ;if the other side are getting completly trounced by us, then they all go for stuff that is near impossible for practice, so that the other team gets a few shots off too.
100-0 is obscene,thats just grinding it in,hell its allmost imposable,to put it in boxing terms thats like telling your Gold Glove canidate who's 15 to hold the other kid up just so your boy can hit them more,and it doesnt help to have the other kid come in with no trainer and a little mentally deficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
Its kicking people when theyre down for your own personal glory,and kids no less. The only reason that coach ran the score up that bad was for his own personal glory.
And on top of it,its a horrid lesson for the kids on the winning side,it says being a complete gloating asshole is cool
My older brother is dislexic and he's not mentally deficient. He gets words mixed up a little when he writes but he's better than most at maths and technical things and makes an extremely good living as an electronic engineer.
Aside from that he's also always been above average at sports - being dislexic is no reason to be belittled on a sports ground. By making a big deal out of it I think people are being worse than the winning team's coach was to begin with.
It's high school basketball - who really cares if you loose - until it make national news and everyone talks about you as if you are disabled just because you come from a small school with a small team and have a little difficultly reading or writing which in no way messes with your athletic ability.
I'm not saying that the coach is cool but I think making a big thing of it is way worse than the event in the first place. It's sensationalizing it for the sake of selling a story with no regard for who is really embarassed by this - not the coach because he doesn't sound like the type to care but the kids on the loosing team.
How many people would really care that they lost before? Now thousands more know they were thrashed and it's no longer just a fun game they lost but a public embarassment!
This is on CNN right now.
Coach got fired this morning.
this was tantamount to bullying and pack mentality. Classless pieces of shit.
Yeah I agree the guy is a douche. On another note: a girl called me a douche bag on instant message the other day....and she spelled it differently. I told her that if you are going to call me one you had better spell it right. She then informed me that the French way to spell douche was different. I told her I preferred to be an American douche as being a french douche was just over the top...
I KO'd a kid with one punch... simply wasn't good enough to be in the ring with me. Said nothing to him. What could I say?
I bet he'd be pretty upset if my dad then sent him a letter apologizing because I beat him so badly.
Does Dyslexia really affect them that badly? my twin is Dyslexic and he's extremely athletic and a pretty handy boxer...
If the other team were that bad then the match shouldn't have been played in the first place... once the game is going you can't just say "we're winning, stop the game". the other coach can forfeit... but that's his choice...
100 points over 4 quarters isn't that ludicrous.... basketball is very high paced... what were they going to do... dribble the ball around not shooting on purpose? more humiliating then just doing what you would do against any other team in my opinion.
At the end of the day it's just a fucking game.
I KO'd a kid with one punch... simply wasn't good enough to be in the ring with me. Said nothing to him. What could I say?
I bet he'd be pretty upset if my dad then sent him a letter apologizing because I beat him so badly.
Does Dyslexia really affect them that badly? my twin is Dyslexic and he's extremely athletic and a pretty handy boxer... If they have more severe learning difficultys then they shouldn't be playing against teams like that in the first place, no one is a charity and nobody has the time to go and humour them.
If the other team were that bad then the match shouldn't have been played in the first place... once the game is going you can't just say "we're winning, stop the game". the other coach can forfeit... but that's his choice...
100 points over 4 quarters isn't that ludicrous.... basketball is very high paced... what were they going to do... dribble the ball around not shooting on purpose? more humiliating then just doing what you would do against any other team in my opinion.
At the end of the day it's just a fucking game.
good point on dyslexia, a basketball handicap it ain't.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
good last point point also. Plus if you look closely at the story, nobody on the losing team was all that scarred or humiliated anyway.
What did it serve to beat them 100-0Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMgood point on dyslexia, a basketball handicap it ain't.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
good last point point also. Plus if you look closely at the story, nobody on the losing team was all that scarred or humiliated anyway.
To prove you can beat a private school that specializes in learning disabilities?
Well they havent won a game in 4 years,so Im pretty sure that was a given.
Oh you wanted to prove that you could humiliate them.
Way to live up to both your christian ideals,and the idea that high school sports are supposed to be learning good sportsmanship.
Nothing says good sportsmanship like 100-0
Other then maybe waiting until theyre on the ground and putting the boot in just because you can
Court time.
I'd much rather be given the respect of the other team not treating me like a retard then being humoured by them. They made a big deal out of it by appologising... I'm sure it's not the first time that they've lost by a massive margin, they haven't won a game in 4 seasons... yet they keep playing... they obviously just enjoy it.
well that's fine, except in my previous post, I said that dyslexia has nothing to do with basketball. I also questioned whether or not it was all that humiliating, as compared to just playing keep away, or maybe letting them score a few points. I'm sure the losing side wouldn't be happy if the winners actually let them score a few baskets, or just handed them the ball. You think they'd feel better if they only lost 60-0 knowing the winners weren't even trying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyWhat did it serve to beat them 100-0Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMgood point on dyslexia, a basketball handicap it ain't.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
good last point point also. Plus if you look closely at the story, nobody on the losing team was all that scarred or humiliated anyway.
To prove you can beat a private school that specializes in learning disabilities?
Well they havent won a game in 4 years,so Im pretty sure that was a given.
Oh you wanted to prove that you could humiliate them.
Way to live up to both your christian ideals,and the idea that high school sports are supposed to be learning good sportsmanship.
Nothing says good sportsmanship like 100-0
Other then maybe waiting until theyre on the ground and putting the boot in just because you can
tempest in a teapot. The losers said themselves they weren't humiliated.
Exactly, what are you going to do? Play keep away with them... they're going to feel like they're the 'fall guys' in a harlem globe trotters exhibition.
Ask them to forfeit because you're beating them so badly? :-X:-\
There's no mercy rule in high school girls basketballQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Cmon,if Joe Paterno can pull back on the throttle in 1-A College Football,I think a high school female basketball coach could find a way to do it leading I dont know 60-0
I have mixed feelings on this. I also would like to know, as it isn't entirely clear, to what extent the learning disabilities go. It isn't only dyslexia from what i've read (which I agree means nothing in the world of sports).
I know that around here for hockey, other sports too, it is considered pretty bad form to run up a score on a team when the end result is inevitable. Generally the coach will pull his best players and give the players who might be more sideline players more ice time and stuff like that. This coach says he did that. The other coach say not in regard to the defence.
I also know that personally, I've had a fight en route to a championship on which I was asked that if it got lopsided to go easy, as the person I was fighting was a stand in for a no show and may not be too good (even tho 2 years older). It placed me in a bit of an awkward position. Here I have trained my ass off for a year for this week of championships, and now I have to go easy? As it turned out...the guy came out at the bell and smoked me one first...so that made what I had to do easier. But I soon knew he was no competition and just landed punches to make pts. Not really hitting hard. Felt like I screwed up almost when they called a RSC2 30 seconds into 2nd rd as pts were 22-1.
It was a dbl edge sword, in that I was glad I won, but didn't feel tested to give it my all. I got to amend this feeling by fighting the person who dropped out a few weeks later...so this helped. KD'd his ass. :)
There may well be more going on here that we don't know about. Maybe the players who were winning felt pressured to run up the score. Maybe the guy is a fughead over-agressive type when it comes to coaching and has little for values outside of wininng? They do exist. Maybe he was dancing and high 5ing the players every pt after 50-0 coming to the bench? So basically I would really need more info. to make a judgement on it personally, is my overall opinion.
I don't think I'd let the score get up that high coaching, if I could help it...personally, and especially on a team with such a poor record.
Oh and for the record if you check the story,the coach did pull up,right after they scored 100 points midway through the 4th quarter. He just wanted to score 100 points.
He's a douche
I think you could at least "fall asleep" on defense once or twice or even foul them while they are shooting so they can get to the charity stripe.
That coach deserved to be canned
Now if it was High School football, hell no. Some scrubs in football never get the chance to score touchdowns much less PLAY and as long as you're not blitzing or running trick plays then you are good IMO.
I played on a couple of sorry ass football teams, nobody held up when they dropped 70 on us. And when I was on good football teams we didn't stop playing hard when we were blowing teams out of the water....the talent level changed but not the effort given.
You learn a lot by how you lose BUT there is a point where kids (I repeat KIDS) shut down and don't learn to give 100% even when you're losing or learn that there are days when you just don't have it and you have to get back to the grind tomorrow.
Im pretty sure if the coach had something along the lines of,"Hey my bad,I got caught up in the heat of the moment" he'd still be gainfully employed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Not this guy,he had to send out a snippy email that basically said,"Hey we were right to grind their nose in it"
Im pretty sure thats what got him canned
That and I heard there were special needs kids playing ball on the other side......that's pretty fucking foul if true IMO.
He's no different than Steve Spurrier IMO....I loved it when "the old ball coach" got his shit kicked in by Nebraska in 1995-1996
They had a fullcourt press on ;D
My brother got to play at a reasonably high level of football, he was on the repeat national champions for JUCO, they ended up having 21 D1 players and 3 NFL players (Gibril Wilson, Paasha Jackson and one other whom I don't know) and they once ran up the score to over 150 points on a semi-pro football team before the season's first game. They had 21 points called back on penalties and afterwards all they heard about was those 21 points.
No word on if those semipro football players were retarded.
What JUCO team?
I'd be more humiliated by the world reading I'm a sports retard just because i get letters mixed up occasionally when I write than any loss.
Sure the coach took it way too seriously but I still think the article is worse.
I also don't think any analogies to boxing or contact sports are fair. Of course if someone is getting hit physically you go easy or point score rather than KO.
The competition is not worth doing someone extra physical damage but a high school game of basketball is not like that at all - it is already only points - until some idiot makes it national news and humiliates the loosing team!
I'd bet the loosing team disintegrates now and it'll have nothing to do with the loss and everything to do with this unwanted attention for being on a loosing streak and that humiliation. The whole thing should have been handled with a lot more discretion or just let go.
Being on a loosing team and still finishing and having fun with it is character building. It keeps things in perspective - says you know what this is fun and it's ok not to be perfect. I'm here to hang out with my friends and just give it a go. Some things are just more important than others. Now they can't have that without it being equalling national humiliation!
The ref can stop a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
.....they COULD but usually they don't otherwise Gerald McClellan would have won by 1st round TKO over Nigel Benn and wouldn't be partially blind, deaf, paralyzed, and living in a trailer on very little if any income.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
City College Of San Francisco, it's the most successful JUCO program in the sport though it's actually on a slide, lost 5 games last year with Chris Forni (my high school's quarterback) at helm and they don't have anywhere near 21 D1 players anymore. That's nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
I don't know if we have any Sooner fans but Lance Mitchell and Paasha Jackson both went to CCSF so did Chijoke Onyenegecha who was the biggest JUCO recruit that whole year. Chijoke was ridiculous but he ended up getting the lowest Wonderlic score of all time and plays in Canada now.
But yeah JUCO football almost operates at a higher level then D1AA or AAA. Their games were nuts. George Rush the coach has been offered the defensive coordinator jobs at USC and Cal and has declined them all.
Goddamn I dont think anybody cares at all I feel like such a clown. But you asked.
You are right Sharla, in that boxing is not a good analogy. I was trying to use it from a personal perspective to explore your original thoughts on not going easy and looking for a reason to understand why.
Where I have to disagree with you, is on the total separation of physical harm, to say, emotional. I think that is making an assumption here that the girls were all okey dokie with the loss until the media got involved. That they were learning a life lesson about losing and so on...that 'there is more then just winning' etc. I mean, the team hasn't won in 4 years, surely they have gotten that lesson already. This seemed almost cruel.
I agree that it certainly/likely made matters worse and is surely more embarrassing knowing that now the entire planet is tuned in. That dyslexia is being misinterpreted/misunderstood in it also.
The more I have read about this, the more I feel it was an extreme case of poor sportsmanship. From what I have read...the coach ran the score up to 100, and then they went into a full guard for the last 4 minutes of the game, no longer scoring, just to keep the score at 100 - 0. Why would they do that? To show it off, my only guess. Kinda rubbing it in their faces? How did it feel to have that happen. We don't know, we weren't there. I can't imagine it didn't feel too good.
But yes it must be a lot worse that we are discussing it here, that many others elsewhere likely are also if in fact some people are paying for it in humiliation.
This I found a good summation for the story.
Editorial: Final lesson from 100-0 game | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Opinion: Editorials
I care Amat. :) I went to a JUCO that was really good at basketball. They didn't have a football team. They had alot of D1 players though. Mitch Richmond went there.
I'm not defending anybody, but why didn't the losing coach forfeit? If you haven't scored by halftime, that's what you do. He should be fired too.
I think its kinda stupid to make such a big deal outta this anyway. I mean they been on a losing streak anyway so one team comes and beat the crap outta them and its different from the other beatings they got. :confused:
To piss them off even more the next time they play them (if they play them) they should make it a slam dunk contest and really piss them off. :-X
Yeah I do agree the coach is not real mature. I see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
I do wonder if you do have any emotional harm after being on a 4 year loosing streak. I think you'd be immune. You'd be assuming you'd loose before the game started and get over it because winning has not been your reason for being there at all.
When I played hockey on the team which was always short of players we knew we didn't have to be embarassed because we had to run so much more to make up numbers just the effort and resilience did get respect from our opponents regardless of whether or not it got respect from their coach.
We'd have a collective giggle about people on the opposite team who took it too seriously. As far as we were concerned they were the joke because in that level of competition you are waaaaay below the level where you need to be so serious and you make a fool of yourself if you do.
We also didn't bother with a practice because we were a country team with no home ground or central training area. Our fees were MUCH cheaper than all the serious teams. We had no coach.
All those things contributed to the social side of it. We hung around as a group longer than the other teams. We celebrated birthdays more. We had an annual awards thing with prizes for all sorts of ridiculous things as well as most improved, most tenacious etc etc.
We had a LOT more fun than the more competitive teams regardless of the score! Making a news item about how crap we were and we'd all be hiding under rocks though!
Even then,what was the point of grinding it in and going for 100 points,and then pulling up,except to gloat. There is something called a sore winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaYeah I do agree the coach is not real mature. I see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
I do wonder if you do have any emotional harm after being on a 4 year loosing streak. I think you'd be immune. You'd be assuming you'd loose before the game started and get over it because winning has not been your reason for being there at all.
When I played hockey on the team which was always short of players we knew we didn't have to be embarassed because we had to run so much more to make up numbers just the effort and resilience did get respect from our opponents regardless of whether or not it got respect from their coach.
We'd have a collective giggle about people on the opposite team who took it too seriously. As far as we were concerned they were the joke because in that level of competition you are waaaaay below the level where you need to be so serious and you make a fool of yourself if you do.
We also didn't bother with a practice because we were a country team with no home ground or central training area. Our fees were MUCH cheaper than all the serious teams. We had no coach.
All those things contributed to the social side of it. We hung around as a group longer than the other teams. We celebrated birthdays more. We had an annual awards thing with prizes for all sorts of ridiculous things as well as most improved, most tenacious etc etc.
We had a LOT more fun than the more competitive teams regardless of the score! Making a news item about how crap we were and we'd all be hiding under rocks though!
Yeah the full guard bit is off. I didn't read that in the initial article. He made a dick of himself there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyEven then,what was the point of grinding it in and going for 100 points,and then pulling up,except to gloat. There is something called a sore winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaYeah I do agree the coach is not real mature. I see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
I do wonder if you do have any emotional harm after being on a 4 year loosing streak. I think you'd be immune. You'd be assuming you'd loose before the game started and get over it because winning has not been your reason for being there at all.
When I played hockey on the team which was always short of players we knew we didn't have to be embarassed because we had to run so much more to make up numbers just the effort and resilience did get respect from our opponents regardless of whether or not it got respect from their coach.
We'd have a collective giggle about people on the opposite team who took it too seriously. As far as we were concerned they were the joke because in that level of competition you are waaaaay below the level where you need to be so serious and you make a fool of yourself if you do.
We also didn't bother with a practice because we were a country team with no home ground or central training area. Our fees were MUCH cheaper than all the serious teams. We had no coach.
All those things contributed to the social side of it. We hung around as a group longer than the other teams. We celebrated birthdays more. We had an annual awards thing with prizes for all sorts of ridiculous things as well as most improved, most tenacious etc etc.
We had a LOT more fun than the more competitive teams regardless of the score! Making a news item about how crap we were and we'd all be hiding under rocks though!
The pissy email was really the kicker. I understand competition,but there reaches a point when you know you can win,and now your just showing off. I dont teach my boxers,"Hold him up for as long as you can just to show that you can humiliate him in public" I teach them,end it, lets go collect the check, and go home.On top of that what if one of his girls got hurt because he left them out there,because he just wanted his 100 points? What if it was serious?
The guy is a total douche
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
You would have definitely got the sack for that.
Comparing people with dyslexia to "retarded kids?"
Unreal.
By the same token, is it fair he just lost his job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
And why couldn't the opposing coach pull his team off the floor? Sure, he could have done things differently, but let's not make it other than what it is: he's being punished for his team doing too well. What message is being sent to his players? There's a valuable lesson to life by losing a game, but what Bizzaro words of wisdom should be taken from this? That if you kick too much butt at work you'll lose your job? This should have been handled with a talking to and perhaps an apology.