So many so called PBF supporters have short memories

Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

I always thought the LW or WW version of Shane could have beaten PBF no doubt...The 154 version of Mosley that Winky schooled would not have...I think people also forget the pop Mosley has in his punches...He has a 75% KO ration in over 50 bouts....He is certainly the stronger fighter...

I agree if PBF laid on the ropes Shane would have murdered him

All boxing fans seem to have short term memories. Not too long ago people were saying Mosley was washed up. Even in his win against Mayorga, people were saying he looked like he was at the end of his rope.

Mayweather:Mosley is a good one, and I agree that Shane has a decent pop at beating him.

Mosley performed well against Cotto but just didnt quite do enough. I think Mayorga excelled himself against Mosley rather than it being a case of Mosley being all that bad.

I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

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I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

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PBF wouldn't stand anywhere close to still and let SSM bang him. He would do what he has done his whole career, study Mosely, come up with a solid plan of action and execute it to a tee. SSM doesn't have the footwork that could trap PBF or set up his shots like Margarito who was pretty much right there all night. I'd love to see it, but I don't think that match up could generate the $$$ PBF would demand.

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I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

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shane has fought to the level of his comp..and when he feels he's the great underdog he will turn it up...all those point u made can easily be turned against floyd..floyd hasn't fought a prime a+ fighter since he was at 135...

hatton is good but's not a+ and mosely's competition easily trumps pbf. So while i won't be rooting for anything more than a good fight. I think shane wins...and shane beating margo forces pbf to stayed retired..because if comes out and fights anybody but shane, its clear that he doesn't want any part of him....sure he can come out and fight manny if he beats hatton, (which i think he wont) but manny is too small and doesnt have the skill to beat floyd...so im pulling for hatton to force floyd to fight shane...any one else is just stupid..unless he fights cotto, but if cotto fight margo again and wins they will sign a trilogy....so floyd has no choice but to face shane..

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Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

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What fighter that has fought PBF would you A.) consider accurate and B.) come close to being able to load up on a punch powerful enough to break his ribs?

I think you're exaggerating QUITE a bit. Floyd is accurate as HELL with ALL of his punches.

Shane has a hell of a chin, there is no question about that, but just like many of PBF's opponents, they don't realize how effective he is even though he is not a huge power puncher. If you're connecting flush on a lead right hand with all of your weight behind it, you will feel it. You say Floyd "sits and calculates his shots", as if while he's "sitting" he's hittable. No, Floyd is a PATIENT fighter who throws when he knows he has the highest chance to land a punch. You're implying that he sits lazily or something..

Floyd has fought harder punchers, and they haven't broke his defense nor landed flush often during a fight.. TOUGH, i will give you.. But too strong and too quick?! That just makes you sound like you haven't seen PBF fight.

I really think people are losing it or just trying to find more ways to make PBF look not as good as he is. The man is retired and if he doesn't come out to fight Shane he is scared??? Thats good stuff. I suppose Anti-PBF supporters don't remember PBF calling out Shane when he was at his most fearful...during his lightweight reign. Anyway, Shane got "outboxed" by Cotto. Floyd boxes unmatched. He could make Sugar look sour if he decided to just win rounds. Shane would have to get rough and tumble with PBF. He would have to make the fight quite messy. I think Shane would be nicely competitive but when Shane fights great pure boxers he doesn't exactly run away with it. Remember Winky and Forrest. Shane did great against Margarito but he is so one dimensional that you would be a fool, or a PBF hater at all cost, to parallel that greatness to a fight with PBF. Don't let one fight ruin your boxing sense. Shane is great but lets come back to Earth here. Competitive fight, maybe. But who really is going to back up their wishful hoping with a substantial wager? We all know the odds are not likely Shane would win...even if you don't want to admit it.

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Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

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What fighter that has fought PBF would you A.) consider accurate and B.) come close to being able to load up on a punch powerful enough to break his ribs?

I think you're exaggerating QUITE a bit. Floyd is accurate as HELL with ALL of his punches.

Shane has a hell of a chin, there is no question about that, but just like many of PBF's opponents, they don't realize how effective he is even though he is not a huge power puncher. If you're connecting flush on a lead right hand with all of your weight behind it, you will feel it. You say Floyd "sits and calculates his shots", as if while he's "sitting" he's hittable. No, Floyd is a PATIENT fighter who throws when he knows he has the highest chance to land a punch. You're implying that he sits lazily or something..

Floyd has fought harder punchers, and they haven't broke his defense nor landed flush often during a fight.. TOUGH, i will give you.. But too strong and too quick?! That just makes you sound like you haven't seen PBF fight.

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The older members of the forum will vouch for me on this: I'm one of PBF biggest supporters and vehemently defended him on this forum long before Tony even fought and lost to williams let along shane.

And ive seen all of his fights, it seems those that are blindly watching floyds fights seem to only see his highlights. They don't see, him being wobbled by chop, losing 3 of the first four rounds and being dropped by judah, going the distance with baldomir, beating a ruined mitchell, one dimensional hatton. Floyd hasn't fought an A+ fighter since leaving 135. he doesn't have power at 140 and up. And if he stands in the pocket trying to pick shane off, shane will hit him right in the center repeatedly. Shane would hit him in his arms. shane would be the most powerful fighter floyd has ever faced. Funny how people use the fights that shane lost (vernon and winky) as if they had the blueprint or something. They were bigger longer fighters. vernon and shane clashed heads which caused a concussion.

If castillo, baldomir, chop, mitchell, judah, augustus, de lahoya, even gatti bust floyd's lip. If they can all hit floyd its a foregone conclusion shane will land and land alot. but hopefully hatton will beat pac, to save us the bullshit justification of picking a fight with pacman over shane. if hatton wins floyd has no choice but to fight shane. but he'd still take the pussy way out and fight hatton again.

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Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

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What fighter that has fought PBF would you A.) consider accurate and B.) come close to being able to load up on a punch powerful enough to break his ribs?

I think you're exaggerating QUITE a bit. Floyd is accurate as HELL with ALL of his punches.

Shane has a hell of a chin, there is no question about that, but just like many of PBF's opponents, they don't realize how effective he is even though he is not a huge power puncher. If you're connecting flush on a lead right hand with all of your weight behind it, you will feel it. You say Floyd "sits and calculates his shots", as if while he's "sitting" he's hittable. No, Floyd is a PATIENT fighter who throws when he knows he has the highest chance to land a punch. You're implying that he sits lazily or something..

Floyd has fought harder punchers, and they haven't broke his defense nor landed flush often during a fight.. TOUGH, i will give you.. But too strong and too quick?! That just makes you sound like you haven't seen PBF fight.

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The older members of the forum will vouch for me on this: I'm one of PBF biggest supporters and vehemently defended him on this forum long before Tony even fought and lost to williams let along shane.

And ive seen all of his fights, it seems those that are blindly watching floyds fights seem to only see his highlights. They don't see, him being wobbled by chop, losing 3 of the first four rounds and being dropped by judah, going the distance with baldomir, beating a ruined mitchell, one dimensional hatton. Floyd hasn't fought an A+ fighter since leaving 135. he doesn't have power at 140 and up. And if he stands in the pocket trying to pick shane off, shane will hit him right in the center repeatedly. Shane would hit him in his arms. shane would be the most powerful fighter floyd has ever faced. Funny how people use the fights that shane lost (vernon and winky) as if they had the blueprint or something. They were bigger longer fighters. vernon and shane clashed heads which caused a concussion.

If castillo, baldomir, chop, mitchell, judah, augustus, de lahoya, even gatti bust floyd's lip. If they can all hit floyd its a foregone conclusion shane will land and land alot. but hopefully hatton will beat pac, to save us the bullshit justification of picking a fight with pacman over shane. if hatton wins floyd has no choice but to fight shane. but he'd still take the pussy way out and fight hatton again.

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wrong again. Floyd was the first person to KO hatton who beat Kosta who had good punching power. and you say floyd doesnt have power I dont get it. He doesnt have that one punch ko power but he has enough power to ko some fighters.

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What fighter that has fought PBF would you A.) consider accurate and B.) come close to being able to load up on a punch powerful enough to break his ribs?

I think you're exaggerating QUITE a bit. Floyd is accurate as HELL with ALL of his punches.

Shane has a hell of a chin, there is no question about that, but just like many of PBF's opponents, they don't realize how effective he is even though he is not a huge power puncher. If you're connecting flush on a lead right hand with all of your weight behind it, you will feel it. You say Floyd "sits and calculates his shots", as if while he's "sitting" he's hittable. No, Floyd is a PATIENT fighter who throws when he knows he has the highest chance to land a punch. You're implying that he sits lazily or something..

Floyd has fought harder punchers, and they haven't broke his defense nor landed flush often during a fight.. TOUGH, i will give you.. But too strong and too quick?! That just makes you sound like you haven't seen PBF fight.

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The older members of the forum will vouch for me on this: I'm one of PBF biggest supporters and vehemently defended him on this forum long before Tony even fought and lost to williams let along shane.

And ive seen all of his fights, it seems those that are blindly watching floyds fights seem to only see his highlights. They don't see, him being wobbled by chop, losing 3 of the first four rounds and being dropped by judah, going the distance with baldomir, beating a ruined mitchell, one dimensional hatton. Floyd hasn't fought an A+ fighter since leaving 135. he doesn't have power at 140 and up. And if he stands in the pocket trying to pick shane off, shane will hit him right in the center repeatedly. Shane would hit him in his arms. shane would be the most powerful fighter floyd has ever faced. Funny how people use the fights that shane lost (vernon and winky) as if they had the blueprint or something. They were bigger longer fighters. vernon and shane clashed heads which caused a concussion.

If castillo, baldomir, chop, mitchell, judah, augustus, de lahoya, even gatti bust floyd's lip. If they can all hit floyd its a foregone conclusion shane will land and land alot. but hopefully hatton will beat pac, to save us the bullshit justification of picking a fight with pacman over shane. if hatton wins floyd has no choice but to fight shane. but he'd still take the pussy way out and fight hatton again.

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wrong again. Floyd was the first person to KO hatton who beat Kosta who had good punching power. and you say floyd doesnt have power I dont get it. He doesnt have that one punch ko power but he has enough power to ko some fighters.

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Hatton is smaller than floyd, and the ring post did the extra damage for him. and you probably didn't even see nor do you seem to anything about KT. Because he had great punching power but was on his way out of the sport in fact that was his last fight. and had been in wars and like 35 or 36.

I've been watching PBF since he was an amateur, when he was 106lbs. His entire pro career. He is ducking shane. There's no manly justification in fighting oscar over shane, fighting judah over shane, fighting baldomir over shane. Judah ran from shane. And if floyd stays retired so did he. In fact I bet that right now he along with Ellerbe is coming up with a post fight excuse as to why he lost to Shane.

"I wasn't into the fight, my mind wasn't into the sport anymore i just did this for the fans. PBF is a true champion and i fight everybody, but I'm retiring again if i was still into the sport nobody would beat be"

Dude I already owned you in SRL ducking pryor...you might want to do some more research before jumping head first up pbf's ass.

Why cant he stay retired because he's made more then enough money to sit on a beach for the rest of his life,and there are easier ways to make money then getting hit in the face?

floyd needs the money...he owes the feds six mill...he had over five mill in jewelry stolen from his house...he'll fight again.

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No he doesnt,it was just a thing to accrue interest on the tax money,he made more on the interest then he could spend in a lifetime.
And the fact that he had 5 mill in jewelry(all insured heavily Im sure) says alot about his financial state.
He isnt Tyson taken to the cleaners by an ex-wife,promoters,and advisers. About the only thing he has to worry about is getting too fat.

it wasn't insured that's why offered a reward for the return...

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No,its personal property so of course youd offer a reward to have it returned.
And you just contradicted yourself if he was so broke,where did he find the money to even offer a reward for 5 million in jewelery?

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The older members of the forum will vouch for me on this: I'm one of PBF biggest supporters and vehemently defended him on this forum long before Tony even fought and lost to williams let along shane.

And ive seen all of his fights, it seems those that are blindly watching floyds fights seem to only see his highlights. They don't see, him being wobbled by chop, losing 3 of the first four rounds and being dropped by judah, going the distance with baldomir, beating a ruined mitchell, one dimensional hatton. Floyd hasn't fought an A+ fighter since leaving 135. he doesn't have power at 140 and up. And if he stands in the pocket trying to pick shane off, shane will hit him right in the center repeatedly. Shane would hit him in his arms. shane would be the most powerful fighter floyd has ever faced. Funny how people use the fights that shane lost (vernon and winky) as if they had the blueprint or something. They were bigger longer fighters. vernon and shane clashed heads which caused a concussion.

If castillo, baldomir, chop, mitchell, judah, augustus, de lahoya, even gatti bust floyd's lip. If they can all hit floyd its a foregone conclusion shane will land and land alot. but hopefully hatton will beat pac, to save us the bullshit justification of picking a fight with pacman over shane. if hatton wins floyd has no choice but to fight shane. but he'd still take the pussy way out and fight hatton again.

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wrong again. Floyd was the first person to KO hatton who beat Kosta who had good punching power. and you say floyd doesnt have power I dont get it. He doesnt have that one punch ko power but he has enough power to ko some fighters.

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Hatton is smaller than floyd, and the ring post did the extra damage for him. and you probably didn't even see nor do you seem to anything about KT. Because he had great punching power but was on his way out of the sport in fact that was his last fight. and had been in wars and like 35 or 36.

I've been watching PBF since he was an amateur, when he was 106lbs. His entire pro career. He is ducking shane. There's no manly justification in fighting oscar over shane, fighting judah over shane, fighting baldomir over shane. Judah ran from shane. And if floyd stays retired so did he. In fact I bet that right now he along with Ellerbe is coming up with a post fight excuse as to why he lost to Shane.

"I wasn't into the fight, my mind wasn't into the sport anymore i just did this for the fans. PBF is a true champion and i fight everybody, but I'm retiring again if i was still into the sport nobody would beat be"

Dude I already owned you in SRL ducking pryor...you might want to do some more research before jumping head first up pbf's ass.

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you will never own me you retard. how the hell was floyd ducking shane when floyd was on his way up from 135 and 140 and mosley was fighting at 154 how the fuk is he ducking him when floyd wasnt even even in the same weight class (147) until he fought Mitchell while shane was fighting Vargas twice then floyd went up in weight to fight oscar in 07. you are a dumbass

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Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

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What fighter that has fought PBF would you A.) consider accurate and B.) come close to being able to load up on a punch powerful enough to break his ribs?

I think you're exaggerating QUITE a bit. Floyd is accurate as HELL with ALL of his punches.

Shane has a hell of a chin, there is no question about that, but just like many of PBF's opponents, they don't realize how effective he is even though he is not a huge power puncher. If you're connecting flush on a lead right hand with all of your weight behind it, you will feel it. You say Floyd "sits and calculates his shots", as if while he's "sitting" he's hittable. No, Floyd is a PATIENT fighter who throws when he knows he has the highest chance to land a punch. You're implying that he sits lazily or something..

Floyd has fought harder punchers, and they haven't broke his defense nor landed flush often during a fight.. TOUGH, i will give you.. But too strong and too quick?! That just makes you sound like you haven't seen PBF fight.

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The older members of the forum will vouch for me on this: I'm one of PBF biggest supporters and vehemently defended him on this forum long before Tony even fought and lost to williams let along shane.

And ive seen all of his fights, it seems those that are blindly watching floyds fights seem to only see his highlights. They don't see, him being wobbled by chop, losing 3 of the first four rounds and being dropped by judah, going the distance with baldomir, beating a ruined mitchell, one dimensional hatton. Floyd hasn't fought an A+ fighter since leaving 135. he doesn't have power at 140 and up. And if he stands in the pocket trying to pick shane off, shane will hit him right in the center repeatedly. Shane would hit him in his arms. shane would be the most powerful fighter floyd has ever faced. Funny how people use the fights that shane lost (vernon and winky) as if they had the blueprint or something. They were bigger longer fighters. vernon and shane clashed heads which caused a concussion.

If castillo, baldomir, chop, mitchell, judah, augustus, de lahoya, even gatti bust floyd's lip. If they can all hit floyd its a foregone conclusion shane will land and land alot. but hopefully hatton will beat pac, to save us the bullshit justification of picking a fight with pacman over shane. if hatton wins floyd has no choice but to fight shane. but he'd still take the pussy way out and fight hatton again.

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I really don't see your point about Floyd Mayweather being wobbled, thats the only time he has ever been wobbled and i have seen all of his fights, including quite a few of his Amateur fights.

The only other time he got shook was in a very early fight of his, where he got hit by a huge left hook but he soon recovered. DeMarcus Corley is a pretty decent puncher, i've seen him wobble fighters with one punch.

And he hit Floyd Mayweather with a very unorthodox shot/hard shot, it caught him off balance and Floyd Mayweather never see it coming, but Floyd Mayweather was still calm and he recovered in a matter of 20 seconds. And then he wobbled DeMarcus Corley later in the round.

Your seriously overrating Shane Mosley he is a great fighter and one of my favorites, but he has some serious flaws himself. He has at times got very disheartened/frustrated in fights especially in the Winky Wright fights.

I've never really see Shane Mosley be able to adapt in a fight either, in both the Winky Wright fights he was not able to solve the Winky Wright puzzle. And constantly got caught with the jab one of Shane Mosley's weaknesses.

Also in the Vernon Forrest fights even though he did do better in the very sloppy rematch. Again he couldn't deal with Vernon Forrest's clinching and was again outboxed and lost a decision.

What makes Floyd Mayweather special is that he is able to adapt, in any type of fight especially in his fights against Jose Luis Castillo 1 and 2, Zab Judah, Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya ETC.

You bring up that he lost 3 rounds against Zab Judah but again, is that the best possible argument you can come up with ? all i think is that fight showed Floyd Mayweather's greatness once again.

That he was able to overcome those first 3 bad rounds, and comeback solve the puzzle and give Zab Judah a beating. And he would of stopped him had it not been for the steet thug move from Zab Judah.

Again im reading your comments and your other argument makes no sense to me either. So he went 12 rounds with Carlos Baldomir and won 12 rounds to 0, i don't see how that prove's anything.

Carlos Baldomir is a very strong guy with a very good chin, he fought Vernon Forrest at Jr Middleweight and ate his shots up like they were nothing.

You also don't have a clue what your on about regarding Ricky Hatton, he isn't one dimensional and if you see his fight with Ben Tackie. When he had to box on the back foot and use his boxing skills, you would know he is far from one dimensional.

I also love how people dismiss Ricky Hatton considering he was one of the top 10 P4P fighters. It just seems to me no matter what Floyd Mayweather does he gets no credit.

Lastly i don't remember Sharmba Mitchell giving Floyd Mayweather any trouble ? i thought he mostly toyed with Sharmba Mitchell. He quite easily beat ODLH so i don't see your argument there at all.

He had a bad shoulder injury against Jose Luis Castillo in there 1st meeting, and in the rematch he quite comfortably beat him. Are you frigging kidding me or something ? when the hell did Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti, hit Floyd Mayweather ?

Let alone alot are you out of your mind ? he dominated those fights with ease. Emanuel Augustus landed one punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose, it was a fluke and despite that one moment. He got whooped from pillar to post.

DeMarcus Corley had one decent round against Floyd Mayweather, but he lost the other 11 rounds and was dropped multiple times so again. I don't see that you have any good arguments here at all.

Shane Mosley had awkward/tough fights against Wilfredo Rivera, Phillip Holiday, in his prime. And lets not forget his gift against Oscar De La Hoya in the rematch, again what does this prove ? just like what does your comments prove ?

The only difference is that those fights you mentioned which were 7 fights, were supposedly Floyd Mayweather was hit alot or ETC. He only lost 13 rounds if that combined with all of those 7 fights, where as Shane Mosley lost more than that in those 3 fights i mentioned above.

But again it proves nothing styles make fights, both are great fighters. But i feel Floyd Mayweather is too much of a good all rounder, and is a better all round fighter than Shane Mosley. Shane Mosley's Power/Speed/Jab will make it very competitive. But i see Floyd Mayweather coming out on top with a competitive decision.

Ice,I cant see him fighting again,he has his money,he has his legacy,and he never really seemed that in to it in the first place

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I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

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I agree on that seeing that is the version of Mosley today...The Mosley in his prime I think beats PBF

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No,its personal property so of course youd offer a reward to have it returned.
And you just contradicted yourself if he was so broke,where did he find the money to even offer a reward for 5 million in jewelery?

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You just know everything don't you? No matter what anyone says you never seem to agree you just always seem to have to tell them like it is

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it wasn't insured that's why offered a reward for the return...

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No,its personal property so of course youd offer a reward to have it returned.
And you just contradicted yourself if he was so broke,where did he find the money to even offer a reward for 5 million in jewelery?

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You just know everything don't you? No matter what anyone says you never seem to agree you just always seem to have to tell them like it is

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Actually Daxx, TM is just making fair points here about JonesJrMayweather's claims that PBF is broke.

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Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

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There's no doubt that Shane would have a chance to beat Floyd, but what people truly tend to forget is the fact that there is a reason Floyd Mayweather was the top fighter in the world for so long. He's simply on another level than most world champions. No one, including Floyd, is unbeatable, but the notion that a fighter of his caliber will simply be dismantled is insane. A fighter would have to fight the perfect fight to beat him, and even still, he would most likely just barely beat him. People act as if Corley was the only person in history to lay a glove on Mayweather's head, and thus if anyone can merely connect, they will wobble him. That's just insane. Instead of looking at how many fights a fighter has had, try calculating approximately how many punches have been thrown at him. It's in the tens of thousands. If a guy's only been rocked one or two times out of 50,000 attempts, odds are he won't get caught. And let's not forget that Vargas, Mayorga, and Margarito ain't exactly carbon copies of Floyd Mayweather. I find it hard to believe that a guy who went over 5 years without even scoring a knockout is gonna seriously hurt arguably the greatest defensive fighter of this generation.

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I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

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The world is coming to an end.. I have agreed with you a few times over the past couple days:-\;D

People are getting all sentimental over Shanes win over Margarito... Margarito is very slow with probably the world shittiest defense.. Not saying he's not bad ass with his aggression and terminator like pressure and resolve.. Shane is a big Welter who was stronger than Margarito and 10x faster and fearless..

Shane is there to be outboxed, his defeats were against skilled tacticians, Wright-Forrest and Cotto outboxed Mosley down the stretch.. Mayweather is the best boxer in the biz hands down and is technically lightyears ahead of Mosley.. Floyd would frustrate Shane use his footwork and defense to pick up a desicion.

Shane is a hall of famer and a big fight competitor, but Mayweather is a bad matchup for him

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I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

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PBF wouldn't stand anywhere close to still and let SSM bang him. He would do what he has done his whole career, study Mosely, come up with a solid plan of action and execute it to a tee. SSM doesn't have the footwork that could trap PBF or set up his shots like Margarito who was pretty much right there all night. I'd love to see it, but I don't think that match up could generate the $$$ PBF would demand.

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For most of his career, Shane fought one way because that's all his father-trainer knew. Jack Mosley was never great at gameplanning. Shane did what he did, and usually he was talented enough to win.

Just the thought...now that Nazem is training him, it's there a chance that Nazem sits down, studies Mayweather, and creates his own plan?

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I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

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shane has fought to the level of his comp..and when he feels he's the great underdog he will turn it up...all those point u made can easily be turned against floyd..floyd hasn't fought a prime a+ fighter since he was at 135...

hatton is good but's not a+ and mosely's competition easily trumps pbf. So while i won't be rooting for anything more than a good fight. I think shane wins...and shane beating margo forces pbf to stayed retired..because if comes out and fights anybody but shane, its clear that he doesn't want any part of him....sure he can come out and fight manny if he beats hatton, (which i think he wont) but manny is too small and doesnt have the skill to beat floyd...so im pulling for hatton to force floyd to fight shane...any one else is just stupid..unless he fights cotto, but if cotto fight margo again and wins they will sign a trilogy....so floyd has no choice but to face shane..

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Floyd has offered to fight Shane in the past, when he was younger.. Shane said his tooth was loose and didnt want the fight:rolleyes:

So your pathetic drivel is just that, Floyd would have happily fought Shane... Shane strated getting Ballsy with Floyd after he beat Oscar, thats why Floyd stuc kit to him and said he wasnt going to fight a sparring partner and a non draw, when he had Hatton in the wings...

People were dogging Shane when he fought Vargas, saying he was slipping and big whoop he stopped him 2x..... So at the time Shane wasnt doing anything blockbuster.. Then people were talking shit that Floyd was calling out and picking on an Old Mosley..

So give me a fing break about Floyd being FORCED to fight Shane, and when he comes out of retirement and beats Shane its retards like you who'll claim Shane was old, although people have been calling Shane old for about 6-7 years now:rolleyes:

Shane is one of my all time favorite fighters and I have never picked against him in his career, but no way does he beat Floyd, nor is Floyd afraid of Shane.. Tony was exposed for what he was, a face first iron chinned warrior with good stamina with no plan B... Shane was the guy with the perfect style to stop him.

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I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

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PBF wouldn't stand anywhere close to still and let SSM bang him. He would do what he has done his whole career, study Mosely, come up with a solid plan of action and execute it to a tee. SSM doesn't have the footwork that could trap PBF or set up his shots like Margarito who was pretty much right there all night. I'd love to see it, but I don't think that match up could generate the $$$ PBF would demand.

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For most of his career, Shane fought one way because that's all his father-trainer knew. Jack Mosley was never great at gameplanning. Shane did what he did, and usually he was talented enough to win.

Just the thought...now that Nazem is training him, it's there a chance that Nazem sits down, studies Mayweather, and creates his own plan?

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All the best trainers have tried, Nazeem is smart but is getting alot of publicity for beating 2 1 dimensional fighters with no plan B's.. Albeit 2 tough young champs in their prime.

The 2 things that made a difference in Pavlik/Hopins-Mosley/Margarito was hand speed, footwork... Floyd has all that with the ring intelligence to have a plan A,B,C.. Im not saying its impossible, but Richardson wasnt planning against 2 master skilled ring tacticians

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Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

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There's no doubt that Shane would have a chance to beat Floyd, but what people truly tend to forget is the fact that there is a reason Floyd Mayweather was the top fighter in the world for so long. He's simply on another level than most world champions. No one, including Floyd, is unbeatable, but the notion that a fighter of his caliber will simply be dismantled is insane. A fighter would have to fight the perfect fight to beat him, and even still, he would most likely just barely beat him. People act as if Corley was the only person in history to lay a glove on Mayweather's head, and thus if anyone can merely connect, they will wobble him. That's just insane. Instead of looking at how many fights a fighter has had, try calculating approximately how many punches have been thrown at him. It's in the tens of thousands. If a guy's only been rocked one or two times out of 50,000 attempts, odds are he won't get caught. And let's not forget that Vargas, Mayorga, and Margarito ain't exactly carbon copies of Floyd Mayweather. I find it hard to believe that a guy who went over 5 years without even scoring a knockout is gonna seriously hurt arguably the greatest defensive fighter of this generation.

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I agree 1000000000000% and I am still riding the high of Shanes win and as a fan am nostalgic and what have you, but eventually people will sober up soon.. Like I said, people were dogging Floyd before about mentioning Shanes name and that he was past it etc... Now the notion that all of a sudden after beating up Margarito, which in about every Floyd fan knew Mayweather would comprehensivly beat Tony if they ever fought too, Shane all of a sudden is anybetter off tecnically than he was a few years ago is insane

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What fighter that has fought PBF would you A.) consider accurate and B.) come close to being able to load up on a punch powerful enough to break his ribs?

I think you're exaggerating QUITE a bit. Floyd is accurate as HELL with ALL of his punches.

Shane has a hell of a chin, there is no question about that, but just like many of PBF's opponents, they don't realize how effective he is even though he is not a huge power puncher. If you're connecting flush on a lead right hand with all of your weight behind it, you will feel it. You say Floyd "sits and calculates his shots", as if while he's "sitting" he's hittable. No, Floyd is a PATIENT fighter who throws when he knows he has the highest chance to land a punch. You're implying that he sits lazily or something..

Floyd has fought harder punchers, and they haven't broke his defense nor landed flush often during a fight.. TOUGH, i will give you.. But too strong and too quick?! That just makes you sound like you haven't seen PBF fight.

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The older members of the forum will vouch for me on this: I'm one of PBF biggest supporters and vehemently defended him on this forum long before Tony even fought and lost to williams let along shane.

And ive seen all of his fights, it seems those that are blindly watching floyds fights seem to only see his highlights. They don't see, him being wobbled by chop, losing 3 of the first four rounds and being dropped by judah, going the distance with baldomir, beating a ruined mitchell, one dimensional hatton. Floyd hasn't fought an A+ fighter since leaving 135. he doesn't have power at 140 and up. And if he stands in the pocket trying to pick shane off, shane will hit him right in the center repeatedly. Shane would hit him in his arms. shane would be the most powerful fighter floyd has ever faced. Funny how people use the fights that shane lost (vernon and winky) as if they had the blueprint or something. They were bigger longer fighters. vernon and shane clashed heads which caused a concussion.

If castillo, baldomir, chop, mitchell, judah, augustus, de lahoya, even gatti bust floyd's lip. If they can all hit floyd its a foregone conclusion shane will land and land alot. but hopefully hatton will beat pac, to save us the bullshit justification of picking a fight with pacman over shane. if hatton wins floyd has no choice but to fight shane. but he'd still take the pussy way out and fight hatton again.

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I really don't see your point about Floyd Mayweather being wobbled, thats the only time he has ever been wobbled and i have seen all of his fights, including quite a few of his Amateur fights.

The only other time he got shook was in a very early fight of his, where he got hit by a huge left hook but he soon recovered. DeMarcus Corley is a pretty decent puncher, i've seen him wobble fighters with one punch.

And he hit Floyd Mayweather with a very unorthodox shot/hard shot, it caught him off balance and Floyd Mayweather never see it coming, but Floyd Mayweather was still calm and he recovered in a matter of 20 seconds. And then he wobbled DeMarcus Corley later in the round.

Your seriously overrating Shane Mosley he is a great fighter and one of my favorites, but he has some serious flaws himself. He has at times got very disheartened/frustrated in fights especially in the Winky Wright fights.

I've never really see Shane Mosley be able to adapt in a fight either, in both the Winky Wright fights he was not able to solve the Winky Wright puzzle. And constantly got caught with the jab one of Shane Mosley's weaknesses.

Also in the Vernon Forrest fights even though he did do better in the very sloppy rematch. Again he couldn't deal with Vernon Forrest's clinching and was again outboxed and lost a decision.

What makes Floyd Mayweather special is that he is able to adapt, in any type of fight especially in his fights against Jose Luis Castillo 1 and 2, Zab Judah, Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya ETC.

You bring up that he lost 3 rounds against Zab Judah but again, is that the best possible argument you can come up with ? all i think is that fight showed Floyd Mayweather's greatness once again.

That he was able to overcome those first 3 bad rounds, and comeback solve the puzzle and give Zab Judah a beating. And he would of stopped him had it not been for the steet thug move from Zab Judah.

Again im reading your comments and your other argument makes no sense to me either. So he went 12 rounds with Carlos Baldomir and won 12 rounds to 0, i don't see how that prove's anything.

Carlos Baldomir is a very strong guy with a very good chin, he fought Vernon Forrest at Jr Middleweight and ate his shots up like they were nothing.

You also don't have a clue what your on about regarding Ricky Hatton, he isn't one dimensional and if you see his fight with Ben Tackie. When he had to box on the back foot and use his boxing skills, you would know he is far from one dimensional.

I also love how people dismiss Ricky Hatton considering he was one of the top 10 P4P fighters. It just seems to me no matter what Floyd Mayweather does he gets no credit.

Lastly i don't remember Sharmba Mitchell giving Floyd Mayweather any trouble ? i thought he mostly toyed with Sharmba Mitchell. He quite easily beat ODLH so i don't see your argument there at all.

He had a bad shoulder injury against Jose Luis Castillo in there 1st meeting, and in the rematch he quite comfortably beat him. Are you frigging kidding me or something ? when the hell did Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti, hit Floyd Mayweather ?

Let alone alot are you out of your mind ? he dominated those fights with ease. Emanuel Augustus landed one punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose, it was a fluke and despite that one moment. He got whooped from pillar to post.

DeMarcus Corley had one decent round against Floyd Mayweather, but he lost the other 11 rounds and was dropped multiple times so again. I don't see that you have any good arguments here at all.

Shane Mosley had awkward/tough fights against Wilfredo Rivera, Phillip Holiday, in his prime. And lets not forget his gift against Oscar De La Hoya in the rematch, again what does this prove ? just like what does your comments prove ?

The only difference is that those fights you mentioned which were 7 fights, were supposedly Floyd Mayweather was hit alot or ETC. He only lost 13 rounds if that combined with all of those 7 fights, where as Shane Mosley lost more than that in those 3 fights i mentioned above.

But again it proves nothing styles make fights, both are great fighters. But i feel Floyd Mayweather is too much of a good all rounder, and is a better all round fighter than Shane Mosley. Shane Mosley's Power/Speed/Jab will make it very competitive. But i see Floyd Mayweather coming out on top with a competitive decision.

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This thread has me all fired up, because of the sheer ignorance of this dude... I only regret I cant Neg rep him 2 x today.. I couldnt have made those points better myself

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No,its personal property so of course youd offer a reward to have it returned.
And you just contradicted yourself if he was so broke,where did he find the money to even offer a reward for 5 million in jewelery?

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You just know everything don't you? No matter what anyone says you never seem to agree you just always seem to have to tell them like it is

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Actually Daxx, TM is just making fair points here about JonesJrMayweather's claims that PBF is broke.

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But no one knows that for sure...JonesJR at least is basing his opinion on reported news...TM acts as though he is PBF's accountant.....Talking about interest and all that other shit....

Arguing with an un needed amount of facts just for the sake of trying to look as though he is right

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Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

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Hahahaha, you're just spouting off at the mouth now. Didn't you already say most of this in the Mosley vs Mayweather thread? Hahahaha. Dude, Mayweather will not stand right in front of Shane for the entire fight. I don't know why you don't seem to understand this fact. Floyd isn't gonna try to bang with Shane, he'll outbox Shane. Floyd is a different type of fighter than Margarito. BTW, I have no idea why you think Floyd's left arm will get broken by Shane body shots. That would mean that Shane Mosley would be throwing right hooks to the body, and a right hook is not really a punch that an orthodox fighter throws. It's the left hook to the body man. Hahahaha. Also, Floyd's shell guard allows him to take the majority of the punishment on his elbows. I don't see how Shane is gonna break Floyd's ribs all of a sudden when he's never broken anyone's ribs before. Hahahaha. If Hatton, who is a murderous body puncher, couldn't even land one clean body shot on Floyd, I don't know how Mosley will all of a sudden break Floyd's ribs. Statements like that are fucking idiotic. Mayweather hardly gets hit with the type of surprising body shot that causes damage.

Also, Floyd got caught against Corley. BTW, he was just buzzed. Corley also caught Cotto too. It's not because those guys don't have chins, it's because Corley is a SOUTHPAW and the punches are coming from angles they're not used to. Floyd and Cotto got caught against Judah (A SOUTHPAW) too. Everyone has troubles with southpaws. Shane Mosley is an orthodox fighter so Floyd will be used to the punches. BTW, stop making Mosley out to be a monster at 147. Margarito got KTFO because he was coming forward taking the full impact of punches because he thought he could walk through them for 12 rounds like he did Cotto. But he forgot that Shane's handspeed is fast and some of those shots he couldn't see. Floyd will not come forward with no head movement ready to take the full impact of Shane's punches. Shane will have to come forward to create his opportunities against Floyd and he'll get counterpunched and outboxed for the majority of the fight.

I think that if the fight happened man, you'd actually be surprised by how much Floyd lands offensively because Shane's so focused on offense and hardly uses any head movement. Floyd's gonna set traps, counterpunch, tie Mosley up, get to the center of the ring, and repeat the sequence for the majority of 12 rounds.

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Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

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What fighter that has fought PBF would you A.) consider accurate and B.) come close to being able to load up on a punch powerful enough to break his ribs?

I think you're exaggerating QUITE a bit. Floyd is accurate as HELL with ALL of his punches.

Shane has a hell of a chin, there is no question about that, but just like many of PBF's opponents, they don't realize how effective he is even though he is not a huge power puncher. If you're connecting flush on a lead right hand with all of your weight behind it, you will feel it. You say Floyd "sits and calculates his shots", as if while he's "sitting" he's hittable. No, Floyd is a PATIENT fighter who throws when he knows he has the highest chance to land a punch. You're implying that he sits lazily or something..

Floyd has fought harder punchers, and they haven't broke his defense nor landed flush often during a fight.. TOUGH, i will give you.. But too strong and too quick?! That just makes you sound like you haven't seen PBF fight.

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The older members of the forum will vouch for me on this: I'm one of PBF biggest supporters and vehemently defended him on this forum long before Tony even fought and lost to williams let along shane.

And ive seen all of his fights, it seems those that are blindly watching floyds fights seem to only see his highlights. They don't see, him being wobbled by chop, losing 3 of the first four rounds and being dropped by judah, going the distance with baldomir, beating a ruined mitchell, one dimensional hatton. Floyd hasn't fought an A+ fighter since leaving 135. he doesn't have power at 140 and up. And if he stands in the pocket trying to pick shane off, shane will hit him right in the center repeatedly. Shane would hit him in his arms. shane would be the most powerful fighter floyd has ever faced. Funny how people use the fights that shane lost (vernon and winky) as if they had the blueprint or something. They were bigger longer fighters. vernon and shane clashed heads which caused a concussion.

If castillo, baldomir, chop, mitchell, judah, augustus, de lahoya, even gatti bust floyd's lip. If they can all hit floyd its a foregone conclusion shane will land and land alot. but hopefully hatton will beat pac, to save us the bullshit justification of picking a fight with pacman over shane. if hatton wins floyd has no choice but to fight shane. but he'd still take the pussy way out and fight hatton again.

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The "older" memebers of the forum will call you an IDIOT for that post.

Judah is a good fighter, and Floyd probably lost more than the first few rounds, got hit with a good shot and ALMOST got knocked down. To say dropped is simply fabricating what happened to attempt to prove your first, useless point of this thread. A sign of desperation.

Did you miss the part where Floyd destroyed Judah after that? Or did you just "watch the highlights"?

You say he doesn't have power at 140 and up. Someone posts that he KO'd Hatton, and then you call Hatton a smaller guy.. Remind me where Hatton normally fights? I'm PRETTY sure it's 140. So you're contradicting yourself a bit.

Go away.

Everyone entitled to thier own opinion and any fight is a toss up no matter how much anyone thinks they know or don't know about the sport...especially after his fight against mayorga almost no one gave mosely a true chance and some darted against the grain and were right but there is also someone out there that probably picked dougles over tyson too, so what not worth getting heated over. Anyhow it's easy to remember the last thing you see...look how quickly so called berto collazo fight of the year is being forgotton did last a whole week though. I stand by my prediction although i'm on a bad streak of horrible picks even so floyd is the only one who can beat floyd, much props to shane but just a couple of weeks ago he was a guy who lost to cotto, and had problems till the 12 against mayorga, he beats tony now he can whoop mayweather ?? I'm not so sure. Williams beat tony too and can mayorga beat tony as well since he did last against shane oh but wait cotto proved looking at it from that angle means nothing. Shane deserves to move up in the rankings no doubt but he is one fight away just like cotto and tony before him just one loss and everyone will be praising someone new as the new floyd slayer.

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Everyone entitled to thier own opinion and any fight is a toss up no matter how much anyone thinks they know or don't know about the sport...especially after his fight against mayorga almost no one gave mosely a true chance and some darted against the grain and were right but there is also someone out there that probably picked dougles over tyson too, so what not worth getting heated over. Anyhow it's easy to remember the last thing you see...look how quickly so called berto collazo fight of the year is being forgotton did last a whole week though. I stand by my prediction although i'm on a bad streak of horrible picks even so floyd is the only one who can beat floyd, much props to shane but just a couple of weeks ago he was a guy who lost to cotto, and had problems till the 12 against mayorga, he beats tony now he can whoop mayweather ?? I'm not so sure. Williams beat tony too and can mayorga beat tony as well since he did last against shane oh but wait cotto proved looking at it from that angle means nothing. Shane deserves to move up in the rankings no doubt but he is one fight away just like cotto and tony before him just one loss and everyone will be praising someone new as the new floyd slayer.

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well put, and i agree.. I just literally CANNOT stand when someone makes a thread like this. Being so adament that Floyd will be beaten by Shane, or any fighter for that reason because of what he did a week ago. It's sort of like the whole Calzaghe thing. I'm still not a fan of Calzaghe the person, but respect his skills greatly. I've been wrong in picking against him and he always adapts to the fight that he is in. Floyd does the same thing. You can say whatever you want, but making stupid comments that Shane will hit Floyd in the middle of the ring all night is just stupid.

I think this is a lot of wishful thinking. A defense that completely shut Shane down in Winky Wright, so much so that Winky put his hands down and laughed at him that is equalled by a fighter who is faster, but you think Mayweather would lose.

Yeah, Mayweather fights everyone the exact same way :rolleyes:. He doesn't have B plans and C plans and doesn't know how to adjust on the fly. Mosley has a class A chin, but I guess Mayweather must have gone into the Baldomir fight with KO on the mind.

Mosley is a great fighter, don't get me wrong. But he is a frustratable fighter and you can see it in his eyes when he knows he's getting beaten. Mayweather is a master at mindgaming in the ring and I think after the 3rd round he would have Mosley's number.

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You just know everything don't you? No matter what anyone says you never seem to agree you just always seem to have to tell them like it is

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Actually Daxx, TM is just making fair points here about JonesJrMayweather's claims that PBF is broke.

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But no one knows that for sure...JonesJR at least is basing his opinion on reported news...TM acts as though he is PBF's accountant.....Talking about interest and all that other shit....

Arguing with an un needed amount of facts just for the sake of trying to look as though he is right

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Your taking the piss arent you?

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it wasn't insured that's why offered a reward for the return...

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No,its personal property so of course youd offer a reward to have it returned.
And you just contradicted yourself if he was so broke,where did he find the money to even offer a reward for 5 million in jewelery?

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never said he was broke, and he only offered 100k for for the return of 5 mil in jewelry...

and if you lose 5 in jewelry plus 6 to the feds...thats almost half of the money he won against delahoya

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I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

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PBF wouldn't stand anywhere close to still and let SSM bang him. He would do what he has done his whole career, study Mosely, come up with a solid plan of action and execute it to a tee. SSM doesn't have the footwork that could trap PBF or set up his shots like Margarito who was pretty much right there all night. I'd love to see it, but I don't think that match up could generate the $$$ PBF would demand.

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Why couldn't Mayweather stand on the inside, The only person he wasn't able to fight with on the inside was Castillo, and Mayweather has adjusted his style since then and Castillo was a better inside fighter than Mosley, he was shorter, his punches are more suited for the inside.

I think when Mayweather fought Oscar it proved to me he could beat Mosley. IMO Oscar was always the better of the two, I think he beat Mosley in the second fight by almost doubling Mosley's punches landed.

I just watched Mosley-Collazo again, and I challenge anybody to find a round that if Collazo didn't land a couple to a handful more clean blows that he wouldn't won(except the knockdown round where he was caught off balance coming in). Every round was very competitive, Collazo broke his hand, and he only had 1 month to train for the fight, because he was a substitute for Cintron against Mosley.

yeah and i just rewatched pbf's whole career dvd set, and if he fought anybody with shane's skills and pwoer he'd be beat..and surely you can't compare the 154 delahoya to the 147 delahoya that fought shane...that's ;ike saying shane is the same as he was 154..