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When it comes to circling left it seems like I could do it all day throwing the jab. Yet when it comes to circling RIGHT (sorry guys), my jab loses all power and speed. I can't even throw my right hand. My left hook is powerless. What should I do? How are my feet supposed to move?
Your lead foot has to step back in to your opponent
Its the other way round :confused:
I guess that you were referring to circling right. When you're circling to your right you'd move your left foot first, and then you'd pivot on it to resume your boxing stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky Balboa
The post and the header dont match,I just read the post,and didnt double check the heading,in the post he asks about throwing a left hook while circling left,well then the lead foot is the one that has to step back in,if your circling right,then you pivot on your lead foot and bring your rear foot around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
And this all changes if your fighting a Southpaw
Rocky, besides knowing how to circle right, know the reasons for doing it. I recommend reading this: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-circling.html
If circling left the right foot takes you there, if you move the front foot independantly youre reaching, losing balance and power stability is lost.
But if your allready stepping away the way it was described,at least thats how I read it,your not even in range if you dont step back in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
I agree Scrap. ;D On the other hand (or foot) I think you'd move the left foot first if you're circling right. I think that's what he meant to ask about in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Hey Scrap...what is that little balance trick you told me a while ago. I forget what it was. But you had me put my feet a certain way and suggested I try to throw a jab like that. Then when I tried it at home...it was impossible...it caused you to fall forward.
Can't remember it, but it was a neat trick and I'd like to show it again to new people at the club. I remember last year when I did it everyone was falling on their faces and going .."wtf what that?" lol
I see trouble with right Hand, but no circcling right. While moving the front foot forward in that situation the only thing that moves forward with it is the Head.
YB, tell you on facebook one night ;D
When you step to the left you are punching with your left foot. the left foot just moves, back foot pushes and creates the movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky Balboa
When you step to the right you're probably trying to throw with the right foot. Right foot moves, left foot pushes.
You can throw whilst stepping left because it's basically the same as stepping forwards in terms of balance, you can't throw whilst you're moving right because in terms of balance it's basically the same as moving backwards. You have to throw in between the shots, different rhythm and timing.
who gives a shit. if you circle and want to hit the guy, put on the breaks and hit the guy. but its easy to throw the jab going either way, and the jab is king. besides, probably better to learn to punch going backwards.
So in other words, I just gotta get used to it. Also right foot first followed by left foot.
btw Chris very good thread, I read it all and learnt a lot
Are you sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris NagelI agree Scrap. ;D On the other hand (or foot) I think you'd move the left foot first if you're circling right. I think that's what he meant to ask about in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
I was taught the opposite:
1) lift the foot on the same side as the direction you are going,
2) use the supporting foot to push off,
3) set the first foot down,
4) bring the other foot up to make your feet the original distance apart.
Of course this I guess is sidestepping and does not require a pivot so what we're talking about here may be two different options?
The way Scrap and I both described what you should be doing,its somewhere in the middle of that,if you put them both together,thats about it. I misread the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaAre you sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris NagelI agree Scrap. ;D On the other hand (or foot) I think you'd move the left foot first if you're circling right. I think that's what he meant to ask about in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
I was taught the opposite:
1) lift the foot on the same side as the direction you are going,
2) use the supporting foot to push off,
3) set the first foot down,
4) bring the other foot up to make your feet the original distance apart.
Of course this I guess is sidestepping and does not require a pivot so what we're talking about here may be two different options?
You do need to swing your rear leg back in to position,but youve also got to get your front foot in position to strike
A while back I was practicing with my trainer's son who was an ex-pro himself, he showed me that when I stepped to my left like how you were taught I'd become squared up just enough that my body would be open for his left uppercut. I found that an adjustment in my footwork was needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaAre you sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris NagelI agree Scrap. ;D On the other hand (or foot) I think you'd move the left foot first if you're circling right. I think that's what he meant to ask about in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
I was taught the opposite:
1) lift the foot on the same side as the direction you are going,
2) use the supporting foot to push off,
3) set the first foot down,
4) bring the other foot up to make your feet the original distance apart.
Of course this I guess is sidestepping and does not require a pivot so what we're talking about here may be two different options?
Now for both defensive and offensive purposes, I try to maintain an oblique angle to my opponent. Sometimes I don't have to pivot. I usually pivot when I need to get back into my boxing stance, which happens often when I'm circling. When circling right, It's almost simultaneous to when I slide my left foot to th3 right, I'd then pivot to face my opponent. I still have my balance, I can still move quickly when I have to, but more important to me is that I don't square up to my opponent. On a further note, that's how a lot of good fighters move, and it works for me.
The most important thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris NagelA while back I was practicing with my trainer's son who was an ex-pro himself, he showed me that when I stepped to my left like how you were taught I'd become squared up just enough that my body would be open for his left uppercut. I found that an adjustment in my footwork was needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaAre you sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Nagel
I was taught the opposite:
1) lift the foot on the same side as the direction you are going,
2) use the supporting foot to push off,
3) set the first foot down,
4) bring the other foot up to make your feet the original distance apart.
Of course this I guess is sidestepping and does not require a pivot so what we're talking about here may be two different options?
Now for both defensive and offensive purposes, I try to maintain an oblique angle to my opponent. Sometimes I don't have to pivot. I usually pivot when I need to get back into my boxing stance, which happens often when I'm circling. When circling right, It's almost simultaneous to when I slide my left foot to th3 right, I'd then pivot to face my opponent. I still have my balance, I can still move quickly when I have to, but more important to me is that I don't square up to my opponent. On a further note, that's how a lot of good fighters move, and it works for me.
Trial and error, what your body is comfortable with.
That's absolutely right Donny. If I'm getting hit I have to ask myself why, and then make the necessary changes to fixes it. It's the same with improving in any aspect, technique or otherwise. I think that it's up to each fighter to figure out most of this on their own. In time we begin to realize that it's often little changes here and there that make the biggest difference.
I tried the way you just mentioned Chris and I like it. I'm going to do it that way, thanks
It'll help to practice throwing your punches while circling mindful of the timing between your punches and footwork. For example let's say you're circling right, as you move your left foot jab at the same time. Now after you pivot (or when you're facing your opponent) throw a straight right. You can repeat it (jab, right, jab, right...) so that it becomes natural without needing to hit the breaks to punch. Also practice circling both ways as that's what you're going to have to do when you get in the ring.
Get a partner, put left hands together facing each other. Now move wherever you want one leading the way the other following, left right back forward. Take it in turns play ring around a roses if he goes left try changing by going right, play at it. Now when youve got that, tie your opposite feet thats you and your partners together so they are 4 ft apart with rubber, now it gets interesting. ;D
It's fairly complicated really isn't it!
Hitmandonny's comment makes sense to me because if i gather correctly:
Does that make sense? Do I understand? So basically you need to combine a few variable to add up to something which works for you rather than just one thing?
- sidestep too far and you open up like Chris says
- move your left foot across first like Chris says to set up the pivot I guess you wouldn't want to move it too far because it will move your head over your right side a fair bit and make it difficult to move when neccessary
- Keep your left foot angled in a bit and stance not too square to begin with and your body is less likely to be open when you do sidestep
- BUT angle your front foot too much and be completely sideways and you'll have the same problem as in the second doc point.
Good work analyzing the pros and cons Sharla. :) Also keep in mind that there's a time a place for everything. A great fighter knows when to break the rules, i.e. crossing the feet, bringing the rear foot forward, squaring up, etc. Find out what works for you and always keep an open mind in finding another or better way of doing things.
Good points!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris NagelI guess that you were referring to circling right. When you're circling to your right you'd move your left foot first, and then you'd pivot on it to resume your boxing stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky Balboa
Another move is to circle right, and step back, then circling left
with a series of left jabs. It's all about contolling the action with
good footwork, balance and a solid defence. Regardless of what direction you are moving be aware of your defensive weaknesses and your range.
Great info here, thank you for sharing