" Still the Polemics with Margaros Hands-Wraps"

With all respect , i have to say that this Controversy of bad practice Hands-Wraps in where erupted last Saturday previous in the fight with Mosley is really , really Hot.......................

Nazim Richardson discovered the action of Margaros corner with vicious malicious.............that is what he said...............

Previous of the fight one Inspector of Commission Athletic of California discovered 2 pieces of Gazes that contained a Substance below the Margaros Hands-Wraps , after Richardson would question the hardness of Hand-Wraps.................
When they opened , founded 2 little blocks of humid Gazes...........related Richardson yesterday to New York Post
" Looks like kind of Plaster " and " Had a spot of dry blood " commented Richardson..................

The regulation of California Commission permit to one representant to contrary corner to be present during the preparation of Hands-Wraps , although when Richardson came in to Margaros dressing room , he (Margaro) had one of his fist wrapped .............

According Richardson , Francisco Espinoza "Margaros Co-Manager" was the only who protested for the request of break the Hand-Wrap that was prepared..................

Richardson commented: " I don't want to damage the Reputation to anybody , maybe Margaro didn't have any knowledge of something odds were happening , due that he didn't object our request , but somebody on his corner do ".............

Also said " Javier Capetillo looked like nervous when he wrapped Margaros hands"............................

Guys to me , those are a Big Words , i don't know where this going take , but this is a big Allegations........................:(

Certainly an unfortunate circumstance, that leaves a questionable opinion on how many wins might have been assisted by wraps:-\

regardless...it didn't help him did it;D

I believe he would have been within his rights to ask them to re-wrap his hand while he was there - (I could be wrong maybe someone who has a copy of the regs close by could check)

Also surely you would notice that your hand / glove felt different if this was an occasional offence? Otherwise it means they've all been cheating and complicit throughout his career - and I don't accept that.

Time for someone to put up or shut up.

A lot of questions raised, but still no firm answers proffered.

Does anyone know when results will be made public as to what he was trying to conceal in his wraps against Mosley? If indeed, he was.

Otherwise, it really is all just speculation.

I'm completely agree with all people that think that we have to wait for the results , we cant judge to somebody without any prove , but at this case to put Gazes with Hands-Wraps , Is not illegal ? , What intention did they have in that night ?

I comment this because in the fight of ODLH vs Paquiao , Oscar asked to the Commission to put some Gazes on his fist and they didn't permit him to do that , so we can think that this is not illegal ?

His rep is going to be hurt more than anything..of course everyone he's ever beat is now wondering "hell now that can be my excuse" but hey scoreboard is scoreboard right or wrong or andrade and the guy who originally beat casamayor would be champions right now. That being said some of them may have a gripe since none of actually know if he ever did or not. But since he did get caught this time it doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen it may mean he just never got caught. I think the past is the past it'd be nice if there was something to do about it but there isn't, i always assumed tony success came from his pressure and chin not so much his fists so why this happens before a fight damn near everyone had him winning is strange. Would have made more sense against cotto. Either way he lost the cloud is over his head..sucks to be him and jin mosely right now.

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Originally Posted by Macho

I'm completely agree with all people that think that we have to wait for the results , we cant judge to somebody without any prove , but at this case to put Gazes with Hands-Wraps , Is not illegal ? , What intention did they have in that night ?

I comment this because in the fight of ODLH vs Paquiao , Oscar asked to the Commission to put some Gazes on his fist and they didn't permit him to do that , so we can think that this is not illegal ?

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Good to see you around Macho btw.But that leads to the question if we're getting technical...was ODH 'asking ' to cheat,trying to cheat...technically.Had he been permitted in the past to add extra wrap,are those victorys cased aside?(you can tell Im tounge in cheek I hope).Its just all getting very triffling and silly if you ask me.In that case and Margaritos case....the rules were followed and ultimatly the commision did their job.Everything else is Pure speculation and revisionist history until proof/facts are provided.One minute I read its Gauze like,then it is plaster like,then its an unknown substance ?

The existence of these wraps is known and obviously utilised in modern boxing.

Margarito bears the brunt of accusations being the most prominant and recent fighter to be accused.

But come on.....if the sanctioning bodies and regulators let things run this loosely how can the fighter be penalised?

What if all the elite are using these?


Tighten up regulations and observe the wrapping ffs, don't expect a hungry fighter to be honest.

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Originally Posted by miles

A lot of questions raised, but still no firm answers proffered.

Does anyone know when results will be made public as to what he was trying to conceal in his wraps against Mosley? If indeed, he was.

Otherwise, it really is all just speculation.

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In the next few days or so Miles they started there investigation on Monday i believe.

I think we should all just wait till they announce the results of the tests. I'll have plenty to say about it and the fight in general then. I don't want to go upsetting people when we don't know the truth. :)

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Originally Posted by Macho

Richardson commented: " I don't want to damage the Reputation to anybody , maybe Margaro didn't have any knowledge of something odds were happening , due that he didn't object our request , but somebody on his corner do ".............(

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To me it seems this point is being way overlooked. Tony may not know much about the technicalities of how his hands are wrapped. So many are calling him a cheater, but it's possible that he is the most angry about these events. I agree with the sentiments that we'll have to wait for the outcome of the investigation to get a clearer picture. Although, all too often these things never fully come to light.

Where are people getting confused here? It has already been said by 3 people who were there of what was in his wraps, Nazim Richardson, a doctor, and a representative of the commission. They all called it some kind of plaster. Margarito's trainers, in attempts to cover up, are the only ones who said it was only extra gauze. Before the fight even started Jim Lampley stated what was found and taken to be given a formal investigation. And for the record, Margarito not knowing what is in his wraps doesn't hold water. This sounds like the famous overused "I never knowingly took steroids" speech. Anyone who has ever boxed for even a short period of time knows that you can tell even the slightest change in the wrapping of your hands. I can easily tell when I have just a bit more gauze around my knuckles and if the gauze is slightly firmer. Missing a foreign object put in your wraps...impossible. Remember, Nazim Richardson noticed it just by looking at it then was sure something wasn't right just by touching it. Its amazing how Margarito is getting so much leniency for such an awful crime. This is not a case of someone saying this or that. Three very credible people witnessed it and described it as plaster pieces, he was caught, and the objects were confiscated until a formal investigation is performed. Stop being dishonest just because you're a fan of Margarito and use your common sense. They don't confiscate extra gauze! And you don't get investigated for wrapping too much gauze!

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Originally Posted by blegit

Where are people getting confused here? It has already been said by 3 people who were there of what was in his wraps, Nazim Richardson, a doctor, and a representative of the commission. They all called it some kind of plaster. Margarito's trainers, in attempts to cover up, are the only ones who said it was only extra gauze. Before the fight even started Jim Lampley stated what was found and taken to be given a formal investigation. And for the record, Margarito not knowing what is in his wraps doesn't hold water. This sounds like the famous overused "I never knowingly took steroids" speech. Anyone who has ever boxed for even a short period of time knows that you can tell even the slightest change in the wrapping of your hands. I can easily tell when I have just a bit more gauze around my knuckles and if the gauze is slightly firmer. Missing a foreign object put in your wraps...impossible. Remember, Nazim Richardson noticed it just by looking at it then was sure something wasn't right just by touching it. Its amazing how Margarito is getting so much leniency for such an awful crime. This is not a case of someone saying this or that. Three very credible people witnessed it and described it as plaster pieces, he was caught, and the objects were confiscated until a formal investigation is performed. Stop being dishonest just because you're a fan of Margarito and use your common sense. They don't confiscate extra gauze! And you don't get investigated for wrapping too much gauze!

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yea cause i'm just positive that they're always walkin around with their handy investigating kit to do tests on the sample right then and there:rolleyes:, i'm not saying that it's not true, but i'm not saying it's true either, i for one think he's innocent, but hell give the man a chance for a fair investigation

his innecent til proven guilty imo.

and i dont think anything will change my mind, imo his innecent. if anything this whole thing cause tony to lose focus on the fight and coming in lighter then usual did not help as well. but ofcourse im not making any excuse for shane, i just feel people are critizing tony too quickly and he has done nothing in the past to cause this. like i said he deserves the benefit of the doubt!

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I think we should all just wait till they announce the results of the tests. I'll have plenty to say about it and the fight in general then. I don't want to go upsetting people when we don't know the truth. :)

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GIVE SANCTIONS MORE TIME!!! :rolleyes:

Hey Kirkland, I for one don't want our warning sign to be a dead/seriously injured fighter.

Margarito is goin to explain his side AT 6 am Central time, ESPN. Double check the time tho'. Just saw it in a flash, in an ESPN recap on headlines! Lucy, Some splainin' to do!

I pray that he gets out of this jam unscathe, hard to imagine what it will be like to fix this mess, on the contrary!

I hate the personal injury angle that this will surely warrant, if Margarito does not come out squeaky clean on this. And surely, with charges like this if not reversed, spells doom.

If it was true that he was planning to use plaster wraps I think his career should be over.....sorry there are some lines you just don't cross and there should be no 3 strike rule either. Loading gloves should warrant a lifetime ban no matter who does it, just because boxing is dangerous enough when it's done right with all the percautions and everything that cheating to inflict more pain should be taken VERY seriously.


If they prove he was using plaster wraps once then it's serious enough to ban him forever and take a ton of cash from him too.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

regardless...it didn't help him did it;D

I believe he would have been within his rights to ask them to re-wrap his hand while he was there - (I could be wrong maybe someone who has a copy of the regs close by could check)

Also surely you would notice that your hand / glove felt different if this was an occasional offence? Otherwise it means they've all been cheating and complicit throughout his career - and I don't accept that.

Time for someone to put up or shut up.

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Statutes and Regulations - California State Athletic Commission

It's all legal s**t and can be difficult for the average Joe to find.

§ 323. Bandages.

Bandages shall not exceed the following restrictions:
One winding of surgeon's adhesive tape, not over one and one-half inches wide, placed directly on the hand to protect that part of the hand near the wrist. Said tape may cross the back of the hand twice but shall not extend within one inch of the knuckles when hand is clenched to make a fist. Contestants shall use soft surgical bandage not over two inches wide, held in place by not more than two yards of surgeon's adhesive tape for each hand. One 10-yard roll of bandage shall complete the wrappings for each hand.

Bandages shall be adjusted in the dressing room in the presence of a commission representative and both contestants. Either contestant may waive his privilege of witnessing the bandaging of his opponent's hands.

NOTE: Authority cited: Section 18611, Business and Professions Code. Reference: Sections 18640 and 18714, Business and Professions Code.
HISTORY:

1. Change without regulatory effect of NOTE (Register 87, No. 5)

Technically is says "in the presence of both contestants" but a revision may also be there to say a contestant may be represented. You got to read through the whole thing to find the applicable sections to requesting a rewrap. Gloves start at § 318.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I think we should all just wait till they announce the results of the tests. I'll have plenty to say about it and the fight in general then. I don't want to go upsetting people when we don't know the truth. :)

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GIVE SANCTIONS MORE TIME!!! :rolleyes:

Hey Kirkland, I for one don't want our warning sign to be a dead/seriously injured fighter.

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What are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

If it was true that he was planning to use plaster wraps I think his career should be over.....sorry there are some lines you just don't cross and there should be no 3 strike rule either. Loading gloves should warrant a lifetime ban no matter who does it, just because boxing is dangerous enough when it's done right with all the percautions and everything that cheating to inflict more pain should be taken VERY seriously.


If they prove he was using plaster wraps once then it's serious enough to ban him forever and take a ton of cash from him too.

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I totally agree Lyle, not only because of what you mention but to act as a deterrent for every other fighter out there.

If found guilty he should never box again, but we know that won't happen if he can still make money. Tyson proved that.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

What are you talking about?

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I'm poking fun of you by referencing your political views and beliefs and applying them to this situation.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by blegit

Where are people getting confused here? It has already been said by 3 people who were there of what was in his wraps, Nazim Richardson, a doctor, and a representative of the commission. They all called it some kind of plaster. Margarito's trainers, in attempts to cover up, are the only ones who said it was only extra gauze. Before the fight even started Jim Lampley stated what was found and taken to be given a formal investigation. And for the record, Margarito not knowing what is in his wraps doesn't hold water. This sounds like the famous overused "I never knowingly took steroids" speech. Anyone who has ever boxed for even a short period of time knows that you can tell even the slightest change in the wrapping of your hands. I can easily tell when I have just a bit more gauze around my knuckles and if the gauze is slightly firmer. Missing a foreign object put in your wraps...impossible. Remember, Nazim Richardson noticed it just by looking at it then was sure something wasn't right just by touching it. Its amazing how Margarito is getting so much leniency for such an awful crime. This is not a case of someone saying this or that. Three very credible people witnessed it and described it as plaster pieces, he was caught, and the objects were confiscated until a formal investigation is performed. Stop being dishonest just because you're a fan of Margarito and use your common sense. They don't confiscate extra gauze! And you don't get investigated for wrapping too much gauze!

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yea cause i'm just positive that they're always walkin around with their handy investigating kit to do tests on the sample right then and there:rolleyes:, i'm not saying that it's not true, but i'm not saying it's true either, i for one think he's innocent, but hell give the man a chance for a fair investigation

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Gauze and plaster are quite different. Nice try. And people do not have to hold back their judgement. This is not court. Evidently the commission aren't holding back much. They described the incident and Margarito has been suspended before the investigation is finalized. Can you take a hint where this thing is leading? Maybe you refuse to.

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Originally Posted by Kel

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Originally Posted by Lyle

If it was true that he was planning to use plaster wraps I think his career should be over.....sorry there are some lines you just don't cross and there should be no 3 strike rule either. Loading gloves should warrant a lifetime ban no matter who does it, just because boxing is dangerous enough when it's done right with all the percautions and everything that cheating to inflict more pain should be taken VERY seriously.


If they prove he was using plaster wraps once then it's serious enough to ban him forever and take a ton of cash from him too.

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I totally agree Lyle, not only because of what you mention but to act as a deterrent for every other fighter out there.

If found guilty he should never box again, but we know that won't happen if he can still make money. Tyson proved that.

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Helluva post!!! I completely agree. There are enough tragedies in boxing, adding loaded handwraps is despicable. There must be a big enough punishment to deter any kind of cheating like this. Banishment!

If Tony knew or instructed his trainers to use illegal wraps, especially if they made for a much heavier punch, and if even more so if they somehow discover that he'd done it in the past; then he should definitely be made an example of with the severest possible punishment. However if the evidence clearly shows that he was not complicit in the use of illegal techniques, and was trusting his handlers to do their job, and ignorant of any wrongdoing; then the responsible handlers should bear the brunt of the punishment.