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Looks like Arce is playing mindgames and is gonna go all out for a win.
Cant see it happening. Vic D by late stoppage.
Thoughts?
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Arce vows to take down Darchinyan - Boxing - Fox Sports
Looks like Arce is playing mindgames and is gonna go all out for a win.
Cant see it happening. Vic D by late stoppage.
Thoughts?
I hope not.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
id say 50/50. the brawler in arce will make him stand there and fight toe to toe with darchi giving darchi a chance to land something big. sorry eagle but i gotta go with arce on this one coz darchinyan is one cocky MFkkr and i cant wait to see him get sparked again.
This is a tough call
to my knowledge Arce hasnt been koed since 99;D
so yeh i dont see him beign koed on the long run i think Arce pulls of the win
maybe he can knockdown Vic once or twice.
How many times had Mijares and Kirilov been Ko'd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
What theory have u got that says Arce beats Vic?
Mijares made Arce look foolish and Vic has comeback strong against both Kirilov and Mijares. Arce will not take a step backwards and this could be his downfall, I think Vic is the hardest puncher Jorge has faced and he gets hit pretty easily, i can't see Vic missing him at somepoint. It's a simple strategy for Arce, get in first because if you don't Vic will get you early.
their going to collide, i dislike both fighters but i am excited to see this fight. Since i saw vic ko'ed already, i rather see arce ko'ed in this fight but it really doesn't matter. If i can get it my way in this fight a double k.o will do. ;D
Be good while it last, I pick Vic but don't be too surprised if The Cowboy takes the W
Darchinyan style is made for Arce. Arce is a brutal body puncher. Darchinyan coming in with his elbows up is an open invitation for Arce. Arce is going to punish his rib cage. And stop him late.
I think Vic will decapitate him before he gets near his ribs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Based on what? Darchinyan can crack. He's got power. But he is not a one punch knock out hitter. He needs to land multiple punches to score his knock outs. Not only that Arce has shown he can take a punch. Darchinyan hasn't. I see Arce taking Darchinyan punches better than Darchinyan taking Arce's punches. Arce is the bigger fighter. And the stronger fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleI think Vic will decapitate him before he gets near his ribs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Based on the fact that Vic just destroyed a fighter that toyed with Arce and made him look foolish. Ask Mijares who the stronger fighter is and i bet he dont say Arce. Based on the fact that Arce has looked far from his best in recent fights and Vic is on a big roll beating opponents who are arguably better than any of Arces wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBased on what? Darchinyan can crack. He's got power. But he is not a one punch knock out hitter. He needs to land multiple punches to score his knock outs. Not only that Arce has shown he can take a punch. Darchinyan hasn't. I see Arce taking Darchinyan punches better than Darchinyan taking Arce's punches. Arce is the bigger fighter. And the stronger fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleI think Vic will decapitate him before he gets near his ribs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Based on the fact that i think Arce has always been slightly overrated cos he is exciting to watch, if u look at his and Vics common opponents it points to the fact Vic i on a higher level.
Mijares won UD v Arce, Got Ko'd rd 9 by Vic
Victor Burgos won pts v Arce Got Ko'd rd 12 by Vic
In fact anytime Arce has stepped up to fight a real world class fighter he has been found wanting and i believe we'll see that again v Darchinyan.
Darchinyan by brutal KO in the second half of the fight.
Are you kidding me? That's an ignorant logic. Ricardo Mayorga destroyed Vernon Forrest the same fighter who beat Shane Mosley. Yet Mosley knocked Mayorga out. Mosley just knocked out Margarito. The fighter who stopped Cotto. Cotto had a win over Mosley. Style make fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleBased on the fact that Vic just destroyed a fighter that toyed with Arce and made him look foolish. Ask Mijares who the stronger fighter is and i bet he dont say Arce. Based on the fact that Arce has looked far from his best in recent fights and Vic is on a big roll beating opponents who are arguably better than any of Arces wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBased on what? Darchinyan can crack. He's got power. But he is not a one punch knock out hitter. He needs to land multiple punches to score his knock outs. Not only that Arce has shown he can take a punch. Darchinyan hasn't. I see Arce taking Darchinyan punches better than Darchinyan taking Arce's punches. Arce is the bigger fighter. And the stronger fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Based on the fact that i think Arce has always been slightly overrated cos he is exciting to watch, if u look at his and Vics common opponents it points to the fact Vic i on a higher level.
Mijares won UD v Arce, Got Ko'd rd 9 by Vic
Victor Burgos won pts v Arce Got Ko'd rd 12 by Vic
In fact anytime Arce has stepped up to fight a real world class fighter he has been found wanting and i believe we'll see that again v Darchinyan.
There's a difference between reading about common opponents and watching the fights with common opponents. Go watch Burgos-Arce and tell me Burgos really deserved that win. Cuz he didn't. Either way that fight took place almost 12 years ago. Burgos was 23 years old and coming into his own against a green Arce. The Burgos, Darchinyan faced was 33 years old and shot. It's foolish to compare there fights.
The way I see it, both fighters will get hit in this fight. Aside from a stoppage in his 4th fight Arce has only been stopped one other time. That was 10 years ago. Against one of the strongest fighters ever to fight in the lower classes. Michael Crabajal. He can take a punch. Darchinyan can't. He got knocked out by a modest puncher in Donaire. A one punch stoppage. Even Z Gorres who has less power than Donaire dropped and hurt him. Now he's about to face a stronger fighter. What do you think is going to happen when Arce hits him in the chin? I'll tell you. He's going down. And will stay down
U cannot deny that everytime Arce has stepped up he has lost, including in his prime, and Jorge is far removed from his prime now. Vic is on an alltime high and has to go in as favourite and will more than likely KO Arce or win a one sided UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAre you kidding me? That's an ignorant logic. Ricardo Mayorga destroyed Vernon Forrest the same fighter who beat Shane Mosley. Yet Mosley knocked Mayorga out. Mosley just knocked out Margarito. The fighter who stopped Cotto. Cotto had a win over Mosley. Style make fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleBased on the fact that Vic just destroyed a fighter that toyed with Arce and made him look foolish. Ask Mijares who the stronger fighter is and i bet he dont say Arce. Based on the fact that Arce has looked far from his best in recent fights and Vic is on a big roll beating opponents who are arguably better than any of Arces wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Based on the fact that i think Arce has always been slightly overrated cos he is exciting to watch, if u look at his and Vics common opponents it points to the fact Vic i on a higher level.
Mijares won UD v Arce, Got Ko'd rd 9 by Vic
Victor Burgos won pts v Arce Got Ko'd rd 12 by Vic
In fact anytime Arce has stepped up to fight a real world class fighter he has been found wanting and i believe we'll see that again v Darchinyan.
There's a difference between reading about common opponents and watching the fights with common opponents. Go watch Burgos-Arce and tell me Burgos really deserved that win. Cuz he didn't. Either way that fight took place almost 12 years ago. Burgos was 23 years old and coming into his own against a green Arce. The Burgos, Darchinyan faced was 33 years old and shot. It's foolish to compare there fights.
The way I see it, both fighters will get hit in this fight. Aside from a stoppage in his 4th fight Arce has only been stopped one other time. That was 10 years ago. Against one of the strongest fighters ever to fight in the lower classes. Michael Crabajal. He can take a punch. Darchinyan can't. He got knocked out by a modest puncher in Donaire. A one punch stoppage. Even Z Gorres who has less power than Donaire dropped and hurt him. Now he's about to face a stronger fighter. What do you think is going to happen when Arce hits him in the chin? I'll tell you. He's going down. And will stay down
Burgos had 8 losses when he fought Arce and lost the fight before and 2 fights after. Whether he deserved he win or not if Arce was any good he should have KO'd him.
Donaire has a similiar KO% to Arce yet Donaire is a modest fighter and Arce is a powerpuncher?
Vic is fighting on a higher level than Arce ever has, if it wasnt for Arce exciting style and ring entrances he wouldnt get half the exposure he does cos he aint that good really.
Name a real good fighter Arce has beaten comprehensively, even a guy ranked in the top 3 in his division.
This is a fight where you don't want to go and take a piss in the middle of it because it could be all over as early round 1 or 2.
Both fighters dislike each other and each are unorthodox in their own way, they could both knock themselves out as JR said earlier ( i like that scenario by the way) Vic has improved a helluva lot in 12 months and i was a harsh critic but credit where it is due, he has turned it around and will again against Arce who will end up on his Arse' i think.
I called Donaire a modest puncher (which he is) not a modest fighter. Arce KO% is 70%. Donaire is at 60%. How is that similar? It's a 10% difference. Arce has beaten several good fighters. Rosendo Alvarez was an outstanding fighter. Rafael Concepcion was a young hungrey fighter who was coming off a big win over undefeated flip prospect AJ Banal. Hussein Hussein would of had a better career he wasn't runined by Arce. Darchinyan big wins are against Christen Mijares and Irene Pacheco. Good wins. But there's more to them. Mijares I think overlooked Darchinyan. He certainly fought like it. And paid the price for his stupidity. Pacheco had been on the sidelines for over a year. And he looked it. If you look at Darchinyan record you'll see he's never beaten a big puncher. Luis Maldonado was the closest thing to one. And he was smaller and with a padded record. Arce is a big puncher. And he has heart. He's been hurt and has come back to win. Let me ask you this. When has Darchinyan ever shown heart? When has he come back from adversity to come back and win a fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleU cannot deny that everytime Arce has stepped up he has lost, including in his prime, and Jorge is far removed from his prime now. Vic is on an alltime high and has to go in as favourite and will more than likely KO Arce or win a one sided UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAre you kidding me? That's an ignorant logic. Ricardo Mayorga destroyed Vernon Forrest the same fighter who beat Shane Mosley. Yet Mosley knocked Mayorga out. Mosley just knocked out Margarito. The fighter who stopped Cotto. Cotto had a win over Mosley. Style make fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
There's a difference between reading about common opponents and watching the fights with common opponents. Go watch Burgos-Arce and tell me Burgos really deserved that win. Cuz he didn't. Either way that fight took place almost 12 years ago. Burgos was 23 years old and coming into his own against a green Arce. The Burgos, Darchinyan faced was 33 years old and shot. It's foolish to compare there fights.
The way I see it, both fighters will get hit in this fight. Aside from a stoppage in his 4th fight Arce has only been stopped one other time. That was 10 years ago. Against one of the strongest fighters ever to fight in the lower classes. Michael Crabajal. He can take a punch. Darchinyan can't. He got knocked out by a modest puncher in Donaire. A one punch stoppage. Even Z Gorres who has less power than Donaire dropped and hurt him. Now he's about to face a stronger fighter. What do you think is going to happen when Arce hits him in the chin? I'll tell you. He's going down. And will stay down
Burgos had 8 losses when he fought Arce and lost the fight before and 2 fights after. Whether he deserved he win or not if Arce was any good he should have KO'd him.
Donaire has a similiar KO% to Arce yet Donaire is a modest fighter and Arce is a powerpuncher?
Vic is fighting on a higher level than Arce ever has, if it wasnt for Arce exciting style and ring entrances he wouldnt get half the exposure he does cos he aint that good really.
Name a real good fighter Arce has beaten comprehensively, even a guy ranked in the top 3 in his division.
Well he never really has had to cos he has dominated everyone except Donaire. IPacheco gave him problems early and Vic seemed confused but he still came back for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI called Donaire a modest puncher (which he is) not a modest fighter. Arce KO% is 70%. Donaire is at 60%. How is that similar? It's a 10% difference. Arce has beaten several good fighters. Rosendo Alvarez was an outstanding fighter. Rafael Concepcion was a young hungrey fighter who was coming off a big win over undefeated flip prospect AJ Banal. Hussein Hussein would of had a better career he wasn't runined by Arce. Darchinyan big wins are against Christen Mijares and Irene Pacheco. Good wins. But there's more to them. Mijares I think overlooked Darchinyan. He certainly fought like it. And paid the price for his stupidity. Pacheco had been on the sidelines for over a year. And he looked it. If you look at Darchinyan record you'll see he's never beaten a big puncher. Luis Maldonado was the closest thing to one. And he was smaller and with a padded record. Arce is a big puncher. And he has heart. He's been hurt and has come back to win. Let me ask you this. When has Darchinyan ever shown heart? When has he come back from adversity to come back and win a fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleU cannot deny that everytime Arce has stepped up he has lost, including in his prime, and Jorge is far removed from his prime now. Vic is on an alltime high and has to go in as favourite and will more than likely KO Arce or win a one sided UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Burgos had 8 losses when he fought Arce and lost the fight before and 2 fights after. Whether he deserved he win or not if Arce was any good he should have KO'd him.
Donaire has a similiar KO% to Arce yet Donaire is a modest fighter and Arce is a powerpuncher?
Vic is fighting on a higher level than Arce ever has, if it wasnt for Arce exciting style and ring entrances he wouldnt get half the exposure he does cos he aint that good really.
Name a real good fighter Arce has beaten comprehensively, even a guy ranked in the top 3 in his division.
His past few fights have shown he can come back from adversity, got Ko'd cold yet came back better than ever. Mijares wasnt looking passed him he just got beat plain and simple. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree and see what happens. I'll be first to admit it if im wrong.
Sounds good to meQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleWell he never really has had to cos he has dominated everyone except Donaire. IPacheco gave him problems early and Vic seemed confused but he still came back for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI called Donaire a modest puncher (which he is) not a modest fighter. Arce KO% is 70%. Donaire is at 60%. How is that similar? It's a 10% difference. Arce has beaten several good fighters. Rosendo Alvarez was an outstanding fighter. Rafael Concepcion was a young hungrey fighter who was coming off a big win over undefeated flip prospect AJ Banal. Hussein Hussein would of had a better career he wasn't runined by Arce. Darchinyan big wins are against Christen Mijares and Irene Pacheco. Good wins. But there's more to them. Mijares I think overlooked Darchinyan. He certainly fought like it. And paid the price for his stupidity. Pacheco had been on the sidelines for over a year. And he looked it. If you look at Darchinyan record you'll see he's never beaten a big puncher. Luis Maldonado was the closest thing to one. And he was smaller and with a padded record. Arce is a big puncher. And he has heart. He's been hurt and has come back to win. Let me ask you this. When has Darchinyan ever shown heart? When has he come back from adversity to come back and win a fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
His past few fights have shown he can come back from adversity, got Ko'd cold yet came back better than ever. Mijares wasnt looking passed him he just got beat plain and simple. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree and see what happens. I'll be first to admit it if im wrong.
Arce makes me laugh. He's comical at times. I'd make him the underdog in this fight.
This is going to be a war of ego's, I don't think either one of these guys wants to take a step backwards. This will definately be exciting while it lasts. Defense is kind of an afterthought for both of these guys. Can Vic's power affect Arce? Thats one thing Arce has going for him, bigtime heart. He may just have the right balance of power and chin to weather the Vic storm.
Also, he is right that Vic left is the priority to avoid, but he has shown some diversity lately.
arce is one of my favorite fighters and he'll win
hard one 50/50 .
Ive never been convinced on Vic. He looks too much like he fights to protect a weakness on one side or something; If someone can continually open him up and tag both sides of him he is going to thrown down the cover and go down because of it. Like a crab get past that one strong arm ,crack the shell and theyre finished. So I suppose Im with Arce:-\ How are his angles? can he do it without getting caught?
I believe he is the underdog, that is why he is so Bad cuz he works to show others their wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer