Should David Haye hire a superstar trainer?

With his fight with Wlad looking like it's going ahead in june, should David Haye bring in a world renowned trainer to help him maybe tighten up on his defensive skills and figure some sort of gameplan?

I was thinking about this and no disrespect to Adam Booth but Haye could surely learn a truck load from someone like Floyd Mayweather Sr for what is certainly the biggest fight of his career.

Anyway what do you guys think should Haye bring in a top trainer or stick with what he knows in Adam Booth?

I still see Wlad getting Ko'd wheter or not he does but I don't think it could harm him!

Well to be honest the Mayweather's haven't had much success at heavyweight. Manny Steward is totally out of the question, Teddy Atlas hasn't had a fighter in forever, Fritz Sdunek is out of the question and has a style that would NOT suit Haye, Buddy McGirt wouldn't fit him....the ONLY guy I can see Haye getting better with are Freddy Roach or possibly Ronnie Shields or Tommy Brooks but those are long shots.

I say, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well to be honest the Mayweather's haven't had much success at heavyweight. Manny Steward is totally out of the question, Teddy Atlas hasn't had a fighter in forever, Fritz Sdunek is out of the question and has a style that would NOT suit Haye, Buddy McGirt wouldn't fit him....the ONLY guy I can see Haye getting better with are Freddy Roach or possibly Ronnie Shields or Tommy Brooks but those are long shots.

I say, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

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No but adding a little extra could always help!

I think Haye would benefit by using better defense and balance but I just don't think he will get Roach or settle for the likes of Shields or Brooks who haven't had elite fighters in a while.

I think Haye should use the shell defense and develop a better jab and use it more often. The jab will allow him to work his way to the inside and the shell will allow for him to fight on the inside without taking damage...and he already likes keeping his lead hand low so the shell at least helps him out if he does it properly


And if any heavyweights need new trainers they are: Sam Peter, Odlanier Solis, Cris Arreola, Sultan Ibragimov, and anyone being trained by Lou Duva haha

I don't think there is much chance of him actually bringing anyone else in but I think if anyone could really help him out it would be Mayweather sr.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

I don't think there is much chance of him actually bringing anyone else in but I think if anyone could really help him out it would be Mayweather sr.

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I really don't see that happening.

I haven't seen (and I don't see how) the Mayweather style would be effective in the heavyweight division. I don't see ANYONE who would be able to use that style to beat Wlad or Vitali...they are way too good at controlling distance

Booth and Haye come across as well clued up to me. So far they've done great. They have the backing/help of great fighters like Lennox Lewis... so probably best to wait until it all goes pear-shaped before the inevitable changes ;)

At heavyweight Haye hasn't been tested AT ALL...sure he has had 2 fights but those guys didn't pressure him much or even have the skill to do anything to him. Throwing him in with Wladimir right away is a HUGE mistake, it could ruin his career.

No. Adam Booth is a great fukking trainer. Very underrated IMO. He has been with David all his career and like Anne Wolfe and James Kirkland, they have a great relationship and Adam knows David better than anybody. He's his manager as well as his trainer.

Haye should stick with Booth and he will be sticking with Booth. Booth is also now training Tony Dodson and David Price. Booth has done a fantastic job and will keep on doing an awesome job. They do great work in their camp in Cyprus.

No Boothe is a world class trainer! Whenever I read on these forums about fighters getting a "superstar" trainer it usually translates to "American" I think that there are plenty of world lass trainers all over and Booth is definitely one of them.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

At heavyweight Haye hasn't been tested AT ALL...sure he has had 2 fights but those guys didn't pressure him much or even have the skill to do anything to him. Throwing him in with Wladimir right away is a HUGE mistake, it could ruin his career.

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He's already had a superb career. Getting a fight with Wlad straight away is a masterstroke by Team Haye.

Sparking out the heavyweight champ automatically makes him a superstar.

If he loses.. so what? No one expects him to win anyway. He's young enough to come again.. if he wants ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

He's already had a superb career. Getting a fight with Wlad straight away is a masterstroke by Team Haye.

Sparking out the heavyweight champ automatically makes him a superstar.

If he loses.. so what? No one expects him to win anyway. He's young enough to come again.. if he wants ;)

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WHAT? David Haye is 28 he just now got into the division full time....EVANDER HOLYFIELD had 6 heavyweight fights in a row before getting a title shot after a more impressive career at cruiserweight. Surely you don't suggest risking David Haye's future so soon????

If Haye takes 12 rounds of ass whuppin' (or even 6) he will not be half as good as he used to be (which in all honesty is 100% worse than what people already think of him). He's just not that good, he's a cruiserweight, he fights off balance, he is too wild, and he hasn't shown very good defense either.

You want to see him get demolished and ruin his career, fine by me.

Booth seems like a smart guy & I think if he wasn't up to it, he would move himself aside for someone else before David Haye had even thought about it.

There are many very good trainers that we havent heard of. Haye probably has a good trainer, he did win world titles. I think it comes down to chemistry. Look at Jermaine Taylor. He left his original trainer and went with Steward, but now hes back with his original trainer and doing better.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Fenster

He's already had a superb career. Getting a fight with Wlad straight away is a masterstroke by Team Haye.

Sparking out the heavyweight champ automatically makes him a superstar.

If he loses.. so what? No one expects him to win anyway. He's young enough to come again.. if he wants ;)

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WHAT? David Haye is 28 he just now got into the division full time....EVANDER HOLYFIELD had 6 heavyweight fights in a row before getting a title shot after a more impressive career at cruiserweight. Surely you don't suggest risking David Haye's future so soon????

If Haye takes 12 rounds of ass whuppin' (or even 6) he will not be half as good as he used to be (which in all honesty is 100% worse than what people already think of him). He's just not that good, he's a cruiserweight, he fights off balance, he is too wild, and he hasn't shown very good defense either.

You want to see him get demolished and ruin his career, fine by me.

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28 is very young these days, no?

I highly doubt Haye will achieve what Holyfield did.. or even come close.

So.. IF he hits the jackpot and sends Wlad to kip he will become an overnight superstar. That is a risk well worth taking. ;)

Haye could make more money by EARNING a title shot and not by ruining his whole career.

The first big puncher David Haye will fight in the heavyweight division is Wladimir Klitschko and Wlad will also be the biggest guy Haye has ever fought.....that's a recipe for disaster.


But hey you guys also spawned a slew of heavyweights who constantly bit off more than they could chew

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Originally Posted by Boom Boom

There are many very good trainers that we havent heard of. Haye probably has a good trainer, he did win world titles. I think it comes down to chemistry. Look at Jermaine Taylor. He left his original trainer and went with Steward, but now hes back with his original trainer and doing better.

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Exactly. On this forum for example. There are a few great guys that know their boxing. If you were to get one of those guys I'm sure you could do very well. You don't have to be world-famous to be world-class. I'm sure there are better "unknowns" that the superstar trainers we hear about.

It wouldnt hurt...Haye doesnt excel in the area of fundemental skills and will be facing someone that does (and someone that is bigger and punches harder) haha - he has an upward battle and could use any help he could get!!!!

Lyle has said it best here.


I dont think it matters if Haye shows up with Mayweather Sr, Angelo Dundee, and Mr T all at his side, Wlad is going to pound him stupid.


Why does the world love David Haye? Because he hits hard? A good punch does not a fighter make.

He is sloppy, he rarely knows how to pace himself, his defense is awful, and there is NO goddam way he can take a Klitschko shot flush on the chin without some serious fargon side effects.




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IS IT POSSIBLE that David catches Wlad early with something massive? Yea sure I suppose. Anythings possible in the heavyweight division, but it is most assuredly PROBABLE that Haye feasts on four or five rounds of nasty jabbing from Wlad and then catches a hellacious right hand to end all the Haye supporters' dreams.





Wlad by beautiful KO in 6.

Will someone PLEASE figure out how to get a Klitschko, either of them, in the ring with Valuev?

I really think Klitscho is being overrated here but we will see come fight time!!

Haye is fast and powerful that is enough to win the majority (Not all) fights his technique is not bad people are judging him this way based solely on his fight with Monte Barrett.

I really hope Wlad is thinking the same way as you guys! because if he is he is going to get knocked out.

If he has not underestimated Haye, he should win but it will be his hardest fight in a very long time as Haye will not come to sit on the ropes like Rahman he will try his best to knock Wlad out.

Wlad had a tough time with Tony Thompson and why??? Well Tony is a big boy AND he is defensively sound...Calvin Brock had a tougher style than David Haye has.

Wladimir controls PACE and DISTANCE by using his jab and until someone can dodge that or tire Wladimir out again by weathering a storm of power punches. I don't see Haye having the discipline to beat Wladimir....he may land a wild punch but he will have to follow up and I can't see Haye doing that either

In reply to the original post, I feel if Haye does "tighten up." he'll get beaten far easier.

Being loose, limber and fast is his only hope.

I think that is where a lot of guys make mistakes as they start having success, they want these big name trainers, strength coaches or what ever else they can add to their team.

I do not understand why add these guys if you have been able to reach the high point without them, Kind of like if it isn't broke don't fix it.

Seems every time this happens the fighter starts to lose or does well for 2 fights then hits a wall then starts blaming trainers, nutritionist, moving from trainer to trainer.

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Originally Posted by Small Amount of Peas

Will someone PLEASE figure out how to get a Klitschko, either of them, in the ring with Valuev?

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Haha, it's not gonna happen. And if it does I will roflmao ;D

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Wlad had a tough time with Tony Thompson and why??? Well Tony is a big boy AND he is defensively sound...Calvin Brock had a tougher style than David Haye has.

Wladimir controls PACE and DISTANCE by using his jab and until someone can dodge that or tire Wladimir out again by weathering a storm of power punches. I don't see Haye having the discipline to beat Wladimir....he may land a wild punch but he will have to follow up and I can't see Haye doing that either

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Exactly. People say Haye will beat Wlad, but honestly as long as Wlad is 100% I dont see how. His defense is way too flawed imo and his athleticism will only get him so far. Hes not a hard fighter to figure out. I think he has put himself on the fast path to the top of the heavyweight division, by being overconfident and thinking hes better than he is. Hes a good fighter no doubt, but he is very beatable. Wlad, Peter, Povetkin, all beat him imo.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Wlad had a tough time with Tony Thompson and why??? Well Tony is a big boy AND he is defensively sound...Calvin Brock had a tougher style than David Haye has.

Wladimir controls PACE and DISTANCE by using his jab and until someone can dodge that or tire Wladimir out again by weathering a storm of power punches. I don't see Haye having the discipline to beat Wladimir....he may land a wild punch but he will have to follow up and I can't see Haye doing that either

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Wlad had a tough gime with Thompson because he is frightened to death of taking a risk because of his KO defeats. Haye will make him take risks!

Wlad got hit more times by Thompson than by anyone recently. Tony never hurt Wlad and Tony doesn't win fights by KO often he outboxes guys and uses his defense which makes him a good boxer and tough to beat.

Tony Thompson is a good fighter, he won't get many more chances because he's a defensively sound southpaw who is 6'6 250....I would LOVE to see how David Haye would handle him.

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Originally Posted by Homicide Hank

I think that is where a lot of guys make mistakes as they start having success, they want these big name trainers, strength coaches or what ever else they can add to their team.

I do not understand why add these guys if you have been able to reach the high point without them, Kind of like if it isn't broke don't fix it.

Seems every time this happens the fighter starts to lose or does well for 2 fights then hits a wall then starts blaming trainers, nutritionist, moving from trainer to trainer.

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i agree

its kinda like when a succesful football/soccer/baseball team etc decides to add to what theyve already got rather than just stick with an already succesful team.

Haye can learn much more from a roach, mayweather etc but he wont have half the natural progression that he would with adam booth and will have to completely re-adapt himself to their way of thinking.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Wlad got hit more times by Thompson than by anyone recently. Tony never hurt Wlad and Tony doesn't win fights by KO often he outboxes guys and uses his defense which makes him a good boxer and tough to beat.

Tony Thompson is a good fighter, he won't get many more chances because he's a defensively sound southpaw who is 6'6 250....I would LOVE to see how David Haye would handle him.

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Haye would KO him quicker than Wlad did just like he did Barrett

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by Homicide Hank

I think that is where a lot of guys make mistakes as they start having success, they want these big name trainers, strength coaches or what ever else they can add to their team.

I do not understand why add these guys if you have been able to reach the high point without them, Kind of like if it isn't broke don't fix it.

Seems every time this happens the fighter starts to lose or does well for 2 fights then hits a wall then starts blaming trainers, nutritionist, moving from trainer to trainer.

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i agree

its kinda like when a succesful football/soccer/baseball team etc decides to add to what theyve already got rather than just stick with an already succesful team.

Haye can learn much more from a roach, mayweather etc but he wont have half the natural progression that he would with adam booth and will have to completely re-adapt himself to their way of thinking.

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Very true