Froch's out of the picture?
Allan Green is the leading candidate to fight Jermain Taylor on March 28, on Showtime.
Jermain Taylor-Allan Green are Poised To Clash on 3/28 - Boxing News
Who do you pick and why?
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Froch's out of the picture?
Allan Green is the leading candidate to fight Jermain Taylor on March 28, on Showtime.
Jermain Taylor-Allan Green are Poised To Clash on 3/28 - Boxing News
Who do you pick and why?
Just think Taylor is on an entirely different level at this point.Green has talent but outside issues/illness and aside from Miranda fight,has not stepped up to that next level.Seems stuck,pedestrian wins over a fully shot Carl Daniels and Williams just kept him warm Imo,Taylor has maintained at high level.....strong jab and experience might just unravel Green.So where does Froch go from here??
Green is a live underdog.
At least as of now, I'm not even sure who I pick to win this fight.
Who will Froch end up with? Andrade or Bika would be good tests.
If Green comes in focused (and keeps his eyes off his shoes), I can see him taking out Taylor. If not, this could be a snoooooozer.
Apparently, Froch is still in the mix: Froch Back in the Mix?.
I see a chance of an upset here too. Taylor has never seemed much of an outstanding fighter, the kind you would think it would take to beat Hopkins twice. But after that it has been he has pretty much seemed ho hum.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
I'd say a focused Allan Green could cause an upset. But Taylors experience against top opposition would give him the edge imo
I enjoyed watching Miranda knock the shit out of Green, and I'm going to enjoy watching Taylor do the same thing. One thing Green does have is power though, and Taylor's chin does have a few question marks around it based on his recent fights (though both Pavlik and Lacy are heavy handed fighters).
I see taylor taking this win. he might have a few problems but thats about it. other than that its a taylor tko
First of all I'd go Taylor because I think that him and Kessler are the best 2 men at SMW.
But to be honest I really wanted to see the Taylor-Froch fight. I honestly think that someone who would be in Taylor's face all night pressuring like Froch would, would bring out the best in Taylor and I also think that this would make for a good fight.
Very good fightin my eyes. I do think Taylor could eeek out a desicion. This one would be good and has potential to be great.
taylor is there for the taking if you ask me and his team is clearly dodging froch like the plague because of this fact.
its sad to see but taylor-green is far more likely than taylor-froch, taylor-kessler
Clearly, what with Froch's myriad of glowing accomplishments and all...Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
PPV HBO are protecting their prize asset.
In terms of competition, is Allan Green is a step down from Froch?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
what is the justification of not fighting Froch? Froch is the champion not Taylor and I think hes forgetting that. Why cant they just fight I really dont understand :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
what a coward! :D
Its amazing how people say Taylor is avoiding Froch when Taylor went to Froch with the fight. Where are you getting this from. The fight isn't happening at this time because HBO wouldn't put up the money. Negotiations were going good between the fighters and then HBO nixed it. They don't believe it will produce the draw they are looking for. At least not yet. Froch is not a draw and Taylor is so more blame is on Froch. Allan Green is easily more of a draw even if you think Froch is better. I personally think Froch should be fighting guys like Green, Ward, Direll, etc to get the drawing power to back up his fight demands. American interest is necessary. Boxing is more business than fighting. There are so many people who have to be satisfied in order for a fight to be signed that it is ignorant to just claim two fighters should fight. With Taylor/Green I think it is nice for Green to step it up but I don't think he has picked the right opponent to propel himself to the next level. But he will get his sizable check as a consolation.
The British have always totally dominated the Super Middleweight division.
Calzaghe, Reid, Benn, Eubank and now Froch.
Dibella has admitted that Lacy was an easier fight than Froch - they know he is a hard bastard and will throw the sink at fragile Taylor.
No Taylor = No income for Dibella !
Taylor brings in money regardless of who he fights. Froch doesn't. Froch needs the exposure. Froch should travel to the US to fight the Allan Green's/Andre Ward's of the 68' division for less money and build his franchise. He shouldn't follow in the footsteps of Calzaghe and wait until the twilight of his career to do it. Do it now. Prove himself on the world stage.
Yeah, that's a pretty strong list. For some reason, a lot of good/great Europeons @ 168.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clanger
Also have Sven Ottke, Markus Beyer, Kessler, Veit, Catley
Yes, because the super middle weight division has existed a really long time and guys like James Toney and Roy Jones Jr don't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clanger
It's been so long since i've seen green i don't even remember if he can beat taylor or not
There is a difference between being a champion and being a belt holder. Froch won that belt by default. Dam he still hasnt even fought a top ten guy. He did not beat a champ. He doesnt deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I couldn't agree more. Even Allan Green is better than anyone Froch has fought. Hell, he might even be better than Froch (I don't actually think he is, but Froch certainly hasn't proven otherwise).Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleThere is a difference between being a champion and being a belt holder. Froch won that belt by default. Dam he still hasnt even fought a top ten guy. He did not beat a champ. He doesnt deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
well its hard for carl to fight top 10 fighters when they keep on being pussies and not wanting to fight him. Pascal IMO was in the top 10 at 168, carl did the business on him and he wants the big names. They dont want him though :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI couldn't agree more. Even Allan Green is better than anyone Froch has fought. Hell, he might even be better than Froch (I don't actually think he is, but Froch certainly hasn't proven otherwise).Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleThere is a difference between being a champion and being a belt holder. Froch won that belt by default. Dam he still hasnt even fought a top ten guy. He did not beat a champ. He doesnt deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Tom, I respect that you are a fan of Froch's, but if he really wanted to fight top ten fighters - he would fight top ten fighters for less money and in unfriendly environments, like the US or Canada. Has he ever even fought outside of Nottingham? Let alone the UK? Has he ever accepted the raw end of the stick to get a bigger fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddonwell its hard for carl to fight top 10 fighters when they keep on being pussies and not wanting to fight him. Pascal IMO was in the top 10 at 168, carl did the business on him and he wants the big names. They dont want him though :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI couldn't agree more. Even Allan Green is better than anyone Froch has fought. Hell, he might even be better than Froch (I don't actually think he is, but Froch certainly hasn't proven otherwise).Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
For a good example, look to Timothy Bradley. No one outside of California had even heard of Tim Bradley. What did Tim Bradley do? He flew to London to fight a top five junior welter weight (Junior Witter) for low pay. Now he is a top contender who everyone is forced to pay attention to at junior welterweight.
With that being said, it looks like the Taylor fight is happening after all, and Froch is actually taking the lower pay and unfriendly environment:
Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Froch close to Taylor bout
Good move Froch. Win or lose, he gains a ton in notoriety.
I may have to eat my words :-X
Froch has fought in America before.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratTom, I respect that you are a fan of Froch's, but if he really wanted to fight top ten fighters - he would fight top ten fighters for less money and in unfriendly environments, like the US or Canada. Has he ever even fought outside of Nottingham? Let alone the UK? Has he ever accepted the raw end of the stick to get a bigger fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddonwell its hard for carl to fight top 10 fighters when they keep on being pussies and not wanting to fight him. Pascal IMO was in the top 10 at 168, carl did the business on him and he wants the big names. They dont want him though :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
For a good example, look to Timothy Bradley. No one outside of California had even heard of Tim Bradley. What did Tim Bradley do? He flew to London to fight a top five junior welter weight (Junior Witter) for low pay. Now he is a top contender who everyone is forced to pay attention to at junior welterweight.
With that being said, it looks like the Taylor fight is happening after all, and Froch is actually taking the lower pay and unfriendly environment:
Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Froch close to Taylor bout
Good move Froch. Win or lose, he gains a ton in notoriety.
I may have to eat my words :-X
Tim Bradley was the number one contender to Witter's WBC title. It's understandable he travelled.
Carl Froch is the champion, Taylor the challenger, yet Froch is still willing to travel to make the fight.
Taylor has never fought outside the states. He would rather NOT fight the champion than travel.
Froch's crime is clearly being a NON American based fighter.
Froch, the WBC champion, should travel to America to fight these Americans because .. err.. why exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Green and Ward have won NOTHING. Shouldn't THEY be travelling to Britain in the hope of getting a shot at Froch?
It seems like one rule for AMERICAN fighters another for the rest :-\
Taylor will fight Froch next and it will be in the USA. So we will see who finally is the best.
We can agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterFroch has fought in America before.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratTom, I respect that you are a fan of Froch's, but if he really wanted to fight top ten fighters - he would fight top ten fighters for less money and in unfriendly environments, like the US or Canada. Has he ever even fought outside of Nottingham? Let alone the UK? Has he ever accepted the raw end of the stick to get a bigger fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
For a good example, look to Timothy Bradley. No one outside of California had even heard of Tim Bradley. What did Tim Bradley do? He flew to London to fight a top five junior welter weight (Junior Witter) for low pay. Now he is a top contender who everyone is forced to pay attention to at junior welterweight.
With that being said, it looks like the Taylor fight is happening after all, and Froch is actually taking the lower pay and unfriendly environment:
Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Froch close to Taylor bout
Good move Froch. Win or lose, he gains a ton in notoriety.
I may have to eat my words :-X
Tim Bradley was the number one contender to Witter's WBC title. It's understandable he travelled.
Carl Froch is the champion, Taylor the challenger, yet Froch is still willing to travel to make the fight.
Taylor has never fought outside the states. He would rather NOT fight the champion than travel.
Froch's crime is clearly being a NON American based fighter.
Basically, it comes down to name recognition and notoriety versus having a belt (which I may add, was not taken from a champion, but won after it was vacated). You feel the belt should compel fighters to travel to you; I feel name recognition and notoriety are more important (At least given that the belt was just recently won and it was a belt vacated, not taken from a champion).
Take the current Calzaghe situation. Presently, he has people lined up to travel to Wales (Chad Dawson, Glen Johnson, and Bernard Hopkins have offered to travel there), let alone the UK, to fight him after he thoroughly dominated Roy Jones and beat Bernard Hopkins in the US. Because he has name recognition. Speaking of Calzaghe, why hasn't he fought Froch? Because even with a belt who the Froch is Froch?
However, my point wasn't Froch's need to travel outside the UK. Winning in fights outside your home country may be overrated. Froch can fight in the UK, without any criticism, as long as he has the draw and the leverage to compel big-names and worthy challengers to travel to the UK to fight him. More power to him if he can be a champion and compel everyone to come to him.
Would I expect him to travel to the US for an Allan Green or an Andre Ward fight? No way. Like you said he has the belt. But, in terms of notoriety, Jermain Taylor ain't no Allan Green or Andre Ward.
I don't think Froch's status as a NON american is the reason he has to travel. It is a lack of name recognition.
You never said that earlier -Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWe can agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterFroch has fought in America before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Tim Bradley was the number one contender to Witter's WBC title. It's understandable he travelled.
Carl Froch is the champion, Taylor the challenger, yet Froch is still willing to travel to make the fight.
Taylor has never fought outside the states. He would rather NOT fight the champion than travel.
Froch's crime is clearly being a NON American based fighter.
Basically, it comes down to name recognition and notoriety versus having a belt (which I may add, was not taken from a champion, but won after it was vacated). You feel the belt should compel fighters to travel to you; I feel name recognition and notoriety are more important (At least given that the belt was just recently won and it was a belt vacated, not taken from a champion).
Take the current Calzaghe situation. Presently, he has people lined up to travel to Wales (Chad Dawson, Glen Johnson, and Bernard Hopkins have offered to travel there), let alone the UK, to fight him after he thoroughly dominated Roy Jones and beat Bernard Hopkins in the US. Because he has name recognition. Speaking of Calzaghe, why hasn't he fought Froch? Because even with a belt who the Froch is Froch?
However, my point wasn't Froch's need to travel outside the UK. Winning in fights outside your home country may be overrated. Froch can fight in the UK, without any criticism, as long as he has the draw and the leverage to compel big-names and worthy challengers to travel to the UK to fight him. More power to him if he can be a champion and compel everyone to come to him.
Would I expect him to travel to the US for an Allan Green or an Andre Ward fight? No way. Like you said he has the belt. But, in terms of notoriety, Jermain Taylor ain't no Allan Green or Andre Ward.
I don't think Froch's status as a NON american is the reason he has to travel. It is a lack of name recognition.
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I never said Froch shouldn't travel because he's champion. But give me some examples of the champion travelling to the challengers backyard?
Taylor is the bigger name. That's why he will get a significantly bigger purse. The problem is he REFUSES to travel whatever the circumstances. It takes two to tango.
Looks like it's happening now anyway ;)
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Originally Posted by FensterYou never said that earlier -Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWe can agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Basically, it comes down to name recognition and notoriety versus having a belt (which I may add, was not taken from a champion, but won after it was vacated). You feel the belt should compel fighters to travel to you; I feel name recognition and notoriety are more important (At least given that the belt was just recently won and it was a belt vacated, not taken from a champion).
Take the current Calzaghe situation. Presently, he has people lined up to travel to Wales (Chad Dawson, Glen Johnson, and Bernard Hopkins have offered to travel there), let alone the UK, to fight him after he thoroughly dominated Roy Jones and beat Bernard Hopkins in the US. Because he has name recognition. Speaking of Calzaghe, why hasn't he fought Froch? Because even with a belt who the Froch is Froch?
However, my point wasn't Froch's need to travel outside the UK. Winning in fights outside your home country may be overrated. Froch can fight in the UK, without any criticism, as long as he has the draw and the leverage to compel big-names and worthy challengers to travel to the UK to fight him. More power to him if he can be a champion and compel everyone to come to him.
Would I expect him to travel to the US for an Allan Green or an Andre Ward fight? No way. Like you said he has the belt. But, in terms of notoriety, Jermain Taylor ain't no Allan Green or Andre Ward.
I don't think Froch's status as a NON american is the reason he has to travel. It is a lack of name recognition.
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I never said Froch shouldn't travel because he's champion. But give me some examples of the champion travelling to the challengers backyard?
Taylor is the bigger name. That's why he will get a significantly bigger purse. The problem is he REFUSES to travel whatever the circumstances. It takes two to tango.
Looks like it's happening now anyway ;)
;D
But I was coming from different angles. The second angle was, should Froch be compelled to have to travel to the US to fight the Green's of the division? No way. With a belt he has the leverage.
The first angle was if I was Froch and wanted the name recognition, what I would do for my career.
My point was that, if I were Froch and I wanted to increase name recognition, I'd suck it up and go to the states and fight whomever so people would recognize me as the man at 68'. After winning a couple of tough fights, I'd fly back to Nottingham and let people come to me because I'd have the leverage.
Why the Froch defense anyway?
Huge props to Froch.
He's really not a fraud is he ?
He's prepared to go into Taylor's kingdom to fight him.
I'm not really defending Froch. I think it's hypocritical that he's EXPECTED to face Taylor in the States, at any cost, even though he's the champion, yet Taylor can REFUSE to even consider leaving his backyard.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou never said that earlier -Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I never said Froch shouldn't travel because he's champion. But give me some examples of the champion travelling to the challengers backyard?
Taylor is the bigger name. That's why he will get a significantly bigger purse. The problem is he REFUSES to travel whatever the circumstances. It takes two to tango.
Looks like it's happening now anyway ;)
;D
But I was coming from different angles. The second angle was, should Froch be compelled to have to travel to the US to fight the Green's of the division? No way. With a belt he has the leverage.
The first angle was if I was Froch and wanted the name recognition, what I would do for my career.
My point was that, if I were Froch and I wanted to increase name recognition, I'd suck it up and go to the states and fight whomever so people would recognize me as the man at 68'. After winning a couple of tough fights, I'd fly back to Nottingham and let people come to me because I'd have the leverage.
Why the Froch defense anyway?
What are the other champs at 168 doing - Kessler, Bute and Balzsay? Taylor isn't being matched with these guys.
Froch seems to be TRYING to make a BIG fight at the very least. And bear in mind MOST people think Taylor will thrash him.
Saying and trying are 2 different things. Either way, even though this is a step backwards for Taylor I will reluctantly give him a pass. Just to shut Frauds 2 groupies up.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI'm not really defending Froch. I think it's hypocritical that he's EXPECTED to face Taylor in the States, even though he's the champion, at any cost, yet Taylor can REFUSE to even consider leaving his backyard.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
;D
But I was coming from different angles. The second angle was, should Froch be compelled to have to travel to the US to fight the Green's of the division? No way. With a belt he has the leverage.
The first angle was if I was Froch and wanted the name recognition, what I would do for my career.
My point was that, if I were Froch and I wanted to increase name recognition, I'd suck it up and go to the states and fight whomever so people would recognize me as the man at 68'. After winning a couple of tough fights, I'd fly back to Nottingham and let people come to me because I'd have the leverage.
Why the Froch defense anyway?
What are the other champs at 168 doing - Kessler, Bute and Balzsay? Taylor isn't being matched with these guys.
Froch seems to be TRYING to make a BIG fight at the very least. And bear in mind MOST people think Taylor will thrash him.
Well that's the funny thing.. Froch has hardly ANY fans yet there's a notion on this site he is a hype job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSaying and trying are 2 different things. Either way, even though this is a step backwards for Taylor I will reluctantly give him a pass. Just to shut Frauds 2 groupies up.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI'm not really defending Froch. I think it's hypocritical that he's EXPECTED to face Taylor in the States, even though he's the champion, at any cost, yet Taylor can REFUSE to even consider leaving his backyard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
What are the other champs at 168 doing - Kessler, Bute and Balzsay? Taylor isn't being matched with these guys.
Froch seems to be TRYING to make a BIG fight at the very least. And bear in mind MOST people think Taylor will thrash him.
That's why I said only 2. Tam and Fraud's mom.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWell that's the funny thing.. Froch has hardly ANY fans yet there's a notion on this site he is a hype job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSaying and trying are 2 different things. Either way, even though this is a step backwards for Taylor I will reluctantly give him a pass. Just to shut Frauds 2 groupies up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
VD if Carl loses im not going to be a little groupie bitch and make up a load of excuses. I love boxing and I follow a lot of fighters, I like Carl is a fight, hes exciting and wants to be in with the best. He isnt a fraud in the slightest, he has beaten everyone put in front of him. That will continue when JT gets in the ring with him, mark my words on that. Froch will up his game every fight now, he had a very good fight with Pascal, he was firmly in control of it and won the majority of the rounds IMO.
JT is acting like he is the champion in this situation, that is not true at all. If JT is serious about being the best at 168 a fight with Froch HAS to happen and if that means coming to the UK then he has to get on with that. I know for a fact Froch will fight in the US!
Taylor needs to grow a pair of balls and put some risk on his record and I will respect him greatly for that. Not a lot of other 168 fighters would be willing to travel to fight Carl never mind fighting him.