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BJ Penn's haters would all jump around here accusing him of making another excuse. For the record.. It's his trainer complaining. When I was watching I already noticed that locking his right leg into GSP's foreneck was very difficult (and failed to do so) because he was already slippery and sweaty..never taught it was because of vaseline. Did it affected the fight? Maybe not. GSP was a great wrestler. He's the only guy who can put BJ on his back and pass his guard almost at will. But you can't deny the fact that BJ is as dangerous on the ground because he is a master of BJJ. If you watch the fight again you will notice he attempted to lock him down for a triangle. He didn't even come close. GSP's defense? NOT!
And the attempt of cheating..whether it clearly affected the outcome or not is inexcusable. Shades of Margarito/Mosley. Sad thing is it happened during the fight. Mr. Dana White..we need a rematch.. at a catchweight..say 163! for the sake of fairness and vindication of both fighters.Please!
FUKK THAT GUY PHIL NURSE FOR PUTTING DOUBTS IN THIS FIGHT
Very unfortunate and there should be a fine or something for the corner team all that being said GSP is just TOO much for BJ as 170 and I don't think it affected the outcome
nowhere on the planet is there news of this. Not espn.com, tsn.com, tsn.ca, and not even on ufc.com is there a related story. It's a non issue.
Leave it to some blogger bullshit to stir the pot. Not even sure how blogs ever reach the front page. they lack any credibility and are piss poorly written.
I saw it on Sherdog, MMAweekly and Yahoo sports
Blah....I hate this kind of shit. It's only gonna bring a negative note to the sport, should it actually hit a larger news source. That's the last thing the sport needs. If anything was amiss, blame the ref for not taking note of such things. It's his job to ensure both fighters are fighting on equal footing, and any blame should be his. I don't believe that a fighter of GSP's caliber needed any help nor that he would even welcome such an advantage. I wouldn't mind seeing the two square off again, but I'm tired of hearing about greased up fighters every time a huge name loses.
Exactly. Nothing TRULY credible. Until ufc.com puts it on their page, it's a myth. Dan Wetzel is an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Just more shit from a pissed of Blow job fan and his corner.
NSAC Comments on Vaseline Controversy
So apparently NSAC admits SOMETHING happened, but not what exactly or to what extent. Penn hasn't filed the complaint yet. Either way, let it slide man....you lost. Train harder next time and earn a rematch.
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Originally Posted by Heavy D
I don't really know the rules of MMA. I just know GSP beat the shit out of BJ Penn, and did it in a way that made him look as if he were in a different league.
I agree. For a fighter of GSP's caliber..no need to cheat. Sad thing is if it really did happened his corner may may have denied us to witness a classic and a much more competitive fight. BJ Penn is a worldclass BJJ practitioner for fukk's sake! the way GSP passed his guard..is just unheard of. Joe Rogan mentioned during the 2nd round that it's already tough for BJ to control GSP because he seems so slick and sweaty but who would have taught it's because of fukkin vaseline. You GSP fans know it ain't fair. If that was Thiago Alves under him it shouldn't matter significantly. Because he's a fukkin striker and is crap on his back.but BJ Penn..he is a friggin BJJ blackbelter!
A couple of thoughts:
1.) In the first fight, BJ had much success in locking in those triangle locks from the bottom. They are huge part of what he does as a great ground fighter.
2.) GSP's corner men should all be fired. It would appear that St. Pierre could have won this fight regardless. But to have cornermen that do not know the rules 100% is grounds for immediate termination IMO.
3.) We may never know if perhaps BJ could have turned this fight into a fight if the vaseline wasn't hendering him.
It is for thougth #3 that I also think a rematch is in order...anyone heard anything about this situation of late?
I understand the impact of vaseline but I think that GSP has evolved a lot since the first fight, Greg Jackson had a great gameplan and GSP is just too athletic for BJ. I highly doubt a rematch will turn out any different.
I think most can admit that the result of that fight (being lopsided) was a shock to most. BJ (for all intensive purposes) beat GSP in their first fight. (split decision) It seemed that George was too hell bent to lose on that day and if I were a betting man I'd probably say he could not have lost that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
BUT! Cheating is cheating no matter how you arrive at it. I believe GSP didn't have anything to do with it going down the way it did. Hence my suggestion to fire his corner staff. It is reprehensible for his corner to not know the rules - period.
You never know though - BJ hooks in one of those triangles and winds GSP a little and lands a few shots of his own in the process and the tide may have turned. Anything is possible.
if they have a third fight I really hope its later. BJ has some big fights at LW. Let him fight Florian, Sanchez and Edgar if he gets by Sherk. Let GSP fight Leites/Condit/Shields/Silva then do it. UFC isn't stupid, BJ needs to regain his luster before this sells. That being said my money is on GSP all day every day.
I agree. I'm one of those that thinks GSP's all around game is so strong right now that he could very possibly defeat Anderson Silva.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
It could happen.
He's gonna have his hands full with Thiago Alves.. Single leg takedowns would be toooooooo risky for GSP when you consider how vicious Alves' kicks are. GSP is one great wrestler though.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
p4p as good, but not big enough or strong enough to beat silva.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37I agree. I'm one of those that thinks GSP's all around game is so strong right now that he could very possibly defeat Anderson Silva.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
It could happen.
GSP would be an interesting study against Silva though. He has a large frame and is strong and explosive. Silva is nasty though with those knees. I would love to see it transpire just to know for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milashp4p as good, but not big enough or strong enough to beat silva.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37I agree. I'm one of those that thinks GSP's all around game is so strong right now that he could very possibly defeat Anderson Silva.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
It could happen.
GSP can't beat him standing..Henderson/Lutter/Marquardt couldn't either get him on the ground or keep him there. GSP will be game and might take 1-2 rounds by out hussling Silva but in the end he will be on the wrong end of a UD.
Henderson did a pretty good job of mauling him on the ground for awhile. Better than most.
Anyone ever see that youtube of the Silva loss to that Japanese fighter that toe hooked him and submitted him with a leg bar. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen.