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It's bad enough that people duck Williams tremendously, but imagine if he possibly loses to Winky, then fighters ducking him could say something along the lines of "why should I fight someone who lost to an old, ring rusty Wright."
Anyone else see where I'm coming from or is it just me?
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Originally Posted by C-Lo
fight im genuinely looking forward to
Williams could quite easily be taking on a santos/martinez etc but has instead opted to fight a guy many feel is one of the very few who could give paul williams big problems.
If williams doesnt fight smart he`ll get beat plain and simple and im pretty sure this is gonna be a hell of a lot closer fight than what you`ll find in your local bookmakers.
the potential boxing upset of the year
It's a great fight. You are supposing he loses. The punisher may in fact win this one.
No, it will show that he is beatable (although his loss to Quintana should already do that) and possibly make him more marketable. If you are right and he loses, he will have lost to a top fighter, ring rust or not.
The reverse is true. If he handidly beats Winky, will other fighters really line up to fight him?
Outside of the welterweight division, which he supposedly left, who is ducking Williams? Dzinzurik offered to fight him. He just fought for a junior middleweight belt. Maybe Vernon Forrest is ducking him? Sergio Mora ducks everybody (see Jermain Taylor duck).
No, I think its a really good matchup. Winky has fought and beat a lot of great fighters. So a loss would be no major shame, but I dont think Williams will lose to Winky though.
I think he may be the 1st guy to decisively beat Winky. Winkys inactivity, up and down weight, age, ring years will all catch up with him. And hes not a big puncher so he needs to win on points imo, which I dont likely see happening. The only thing Winky has going for him, and if he wins it will be the reason why, is his southpaw jab. Im sure hes studying tapes of his fellow southpaw Quintana beating Williams.
I think that a loss to Winky makes it so no big name fighters will ever fight him and will be the end of his career.
Haha! Oh c'mon! No big name fighters will ever fight him? He will hardly know the difference. Way too grave. Williams is a big draw win/lose/draw against Winky. This fight is way more important to Winky imo. He only has a couple fights left in him. And Williams, the spring chicken he is, will box him and win rounds on handily activity. He may not be able to get a lot through, but surely enough activity to see a UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
People act so serious about a fighter losing ONE fight. I mean it has held back fighters in the past, but usually it's when they get exposed (a la Mosley Marg).
Yah a little Melo-dramatic dude.... Williams is living up to the moniker of being a badass that takes them all on between 147-160. a 2nd loss to a hall of famer is no way a career breaker... Besides paul isint going to lose;D
Williams with his "most feared" (which actually may or may not be true) is taking a chance with whoever he fights. Sadly He'd beat winky, no question.
I'm looking forward to this fight, but you still have a good point. Even if Wright looks as sharp as ever somebody might say that. Williams better be excellent on that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
Why the hell should any welterweight fighter face this guy when he should be fighting at middleweight? Williams should be looking to fight guys like Taylor, Pavlik or Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsHaha! Oh c'mon! No big name fighters will ever fight him? He will hardly know the difference. Way too grave. Williams is a big draw win/lose/draw against Winky. This fight is way more important to Winky imo. He only has a couple fights left in him. And Williams, the spring chicken he is, will box him and win rounds on handily activity. He may not be able to get a lot through, but surely enough activity to see a UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
People act so serious about a fighter losing ONE fight. I mean it has held back fighters in the past, but usually it's when they get exposed (a la Mosley Marg).
Look at the "old-timers" winning big fights recently: Mosley over Margarito and Hopkins over Pavlik. Margarito will still be able to land big fights as will Pavlik. In Pavlik's case, he may actually be better off in his career because of the loss. Boxing fans may think less of them because of the loss, but it didn't affect their marketability. Margarito, barring suspension, will still be in line to fight Cotto in June. Abraham still wants Pavlik. Kessler has spoken of wanting to fight Pavlik.
And if Williams loses to Winky, like I said, more people will line up to fight him because he will appear beatable.
I agree with someone else who said this fight was bigger for Winky. For Winky, it is a crossroads fight. A weak showing will take him out of the picture, a strong showing will make him a contender.
I thinks its a great fight. One for the purist
The reason this is a great matchup because it sets up winner up for a big Pavlik fight. If Winky wins, he's back on the radar. If Williams wins, he's established himself at MW.
Call me crazy, but Williams has the footwork, handspeed and volume to beat Pavlik and stunt that 1-2Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Well if Williams is able to keep his punch output up then he's got a shot....I don't fancy Winky's chances in this one to be totally honest
I think this is one that williams will win. Wright was great but ring rust, the loss to Hopkins, a mind set that I am not sure I understand (not pursueing a rematch with Taylor and instead taking on Hopkins) and age I think will finally catch up with him in this fight. Williams by KO.
If Winky was fighting Pavlik I would like his chances better because Pavlik is one punch at a time, easy to time, easy to counter....meanwhile Williams is an output puncher, he's going to win rounds just on shear numbers of punches thrown. Unless Winky is able to hurt Williams or totally throw his game off he's not going to win.
Plus Williams is also a southpaw and I'm thinking that will affect Winky more than Williams
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Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsHaha! Oh c'mon! No big name fighters will ever fight him? He will hardly know the difference. Way too grave. Williams is a big draw win/lose/draw against Winky. This fight is way more important to Winky imo. He only has a couple fights left in him. And Williams, the spring chicken he is, will box him and win rounds on handily activity. He may not be able to get a lot through, but surely enough activity to see a UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
People act so serious about a fighter losing ONE fight. I mean it has held back fighters in the past, but usually it's when they get exposed (a la Mosley Marg).
JONNY/JT! I didn't mean that he would disappear from the face of the boxing world if he lost. I meant it more along the lines of people already being afraid to fight him can say "he lost to a old Winky" as scapegoat to not fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
It's hard to explain but it sounds right in my head...
I never thought of it the other way around...Nice one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Up in the air on this one.I cannot get past the layoff and idle time with Wright.Don't like him just walking back in without a tune up.He definatly has been walking in and trying to bang it out,even more so,as of late.Heck of an very volume friendly fighter riding a huge boost of momentum to come back against in Williams.Would like to think Williams will fight his height and frame but has shown few signs of doing so,save for early rounds with Margarito.Williams defense nothing spectacular and if...IF...Wright can rekindle that sharp active jab after layoff,it could stifle a bit of Williams guarenteed on coming southpaw volume.Leaning towards Williams....by a hair.
Paul Williams isn't any Hopkins and Winky didn't look bad at all considering the fould and bad cut. Yeah its a lay off, but it won't be as bad for winky as some think. Hell Quintana was what this guy had problems with. Winky will be big, he will look pretty sharp. He will outbox this Williams until the cows come home. The best win Williams has is over Margarito. A guy that Mosely just school. While that isn't exactly boxing logic, anytime you count Ronald out it bites you in the ass. ;)
I did until I saw it was at middleweight. I bet Winky has problems making that weight again, he just fought 170. That was what over a year ago? This is a real fight, too close to call IMO.