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CGM told me you beat him with ease the other night, impressive seeing as he's a tournament player.
Where did you learn to play buddy?
What openings do you play, I know you beat CGM with a good sidleline against his KID last time where did you learn to play that, it's rare that someone who doesnt play competitively even opens with 1.d4 so you must have some book knowledge?
I beat him a few months ago i don't really play anymore i played a bit at school, my teacher there was a great player we used to play checkers, chess, every now and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
He taught me quite a bit of stuff, but really i don't want to sound like im blowing my own trumpet. But i don't know what it is but i can see many moves ahead. You know like you said that time in Checkers ? well thats it i can just see the moves.
I've always described Checkers as looking down a well, and Chess looking across the sea regarding Position, Moves, ETC. Im a much better Checkers player i think im at grandmaster level at Checkers no kidding.
But i moved on Bilbo i got interested in other stuff like Weight training, Boxing, Basketball, Girls, ETC. Basically what all other teenagers get interested in, i don't mind playing every now and again if you ever want to play Checkers, Chess, once a week or something.
Yeah well I don't play checkers beyond knowing the rules but you beat me easily about 8 times in a row and kept scoring multiple hits.
I thought you must be very good although I've never learnt how to play it and it may be an easy game to master, I know computers have now solved checkers completely so it's probably an easy game to learn in comparison with chess.
But chess is a very difficult game to learn without deep study as there is so much strategy to learn. It's not even about looking many moves ahead really, usually its positional factors such as pawn structure, weak squares, open files, potential outposts, good kinght against bad bishop etc that factor and lead a strong player into making his decision, a top level player doesn't sit and analyse many many combinations of moves or look far ahead unless it's a tactical situation like calculating an exchange or a sacrifice.
Did you study openings, pawn structures, effective piece placement and attacking strategy or does it all just come naturally to you?
I've been playing seriously since October last year in club competition and started studying the game since April last year when I started playing Legion and I'm still only a beginner player comparitively, about 100 ECF rating, I believe CGM has beaten master level players, which would be around 200 level so to beat him in a game is a remarkable feat considering you don't play, certainly comparable to me whitewashing you in checkers.
What openings do you play?
My teacher gave me a chess book i used to look at the openings and ETC. And when i got a computer i looked at Grandmaster's games and used to study them, but i got bored of Chess to be honest and as i said i started to concentrate on other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Believe it or not my mom actually taught me Checkers she isn't a bad player, and when i was little i used to play with her before i went to school and ETC.
I then played some games online and got a 2100's rating. If your good at Chess you should be pretty good at Checkers, but its still not as easy as you think.
But i always enjoyed Checkers more even though i used to like the tactical side of Chess, but as i said if you ever want a game of either game once a week or something let me know. We can even get a few of the other Saddo members, i also played Killersheep at Chess aswell.
I can play speed Chess and Checkers i did used to play some 1 minute games of Checkers, and 2 minute games of Chess.
Hmm it's just I remember you saying this to me last year
You would destroy me at chess only played that like twice the only thing i know about that game is how the pieces move. Why don't we set up a game me you Legion and Lee etc ??
Now you're saying you were a chess prodigy and studied grandmaster games? :confused:
It seems a bit strange to me, especially when you said you can look many moves ahead, when in a 15 min online game top players wouldnt bother to calculate many moves ahead but would just play quickly according to positional factors like I mentioned above, there simply wouldnt be time for advanced calculations.
Also you never responded as to what openings you used which kind of makes me think you don't know the names, which simply wouldn't be the case if you studied chess.
I think the jury is out on this, but I think a chess computer was used, just my opinion of course, you could be some kind of autistic child prodigy who happened to be a genuis at chess but it's more likely imo that you own a copy of Chessmaster :detective:
It was a trap! Good stuff.
You had to see that coming, Bilbo does not start conversations with compliments or acknowledgements of others success, unless there is a deeper motive.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Well someone had to ask the question, as youngblood said to me earlier he's either an unlikely idiot savante or else he cheated.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepYou had to see that coming, Bilbo does not start conversations with compliments or acknowledgements of others success, unless there is a deeper motive.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Considering when he first posted on this forum he could barely write it seems a bit peculiar that he would have been a chess and checkers genuis just a few years before?
It's also 'interesting' to me that Ice joined Saddos a week after Britkid made his final post :detective: He has this amazing knowledge for a 19 yr old kid don't you think, having even watched all the fights of Mexican journeyman from the 70's.
And he did create that alt account before SSSSS.
He also knew Britkid left due to a virus on his comp again strange seeing as he left after Britkid arrived?
I'm not saying Ice is Britkid but I have a feeling Ice was on the forum before.........
Anyway I'm interested to hear what he says :)
Man, this forum doesn't play anymore does it?
Interesting, Ice can take the stand in his own defense if he wants. I don't believe Ice was on the forum before simply because I remember when Ice was first on here and he certainly wasn't as versed as he is now. But he is fairly bizarre and off the wall at times with all sorts of inconsistencies in his postings so lets see what he says here.
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Originally Posted by amat
yeah but Im thinking that may have been a conscious decision to create an alt?
How could his spelling be so bad and he be so young yet have such a wealth of boxing knowledge spanning decades?
Isn't he now something like 5-0 as an amatuer as well now? Good start I have to say....
Because Bilbo it's possible. When he first started he was posting all youtube videos, he downloads a lot of fights all it takes is to watch a lot of fights. I wouldn't call his knowledge encyclopedic or anything, he's just watched a lot of fights but his knowledge is still spotty imo. Nothing like Britkid's, that's no dig at ice it's just the way I see it.
Yeah you may be right maybe I'm just extra suspicious right now :thinking2:Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
But I definitely believe he cheated at chess. How can he say a year or so ago that he only played the game twice and barely knew how the pieces moved to now having studied grandmaster games whilst in school?
I played Sharla online today and she played like someone who barely knew how the pieces moved, by the sounds of it Ice managed to work out in a 15 min game the best opening theory against the Kings Indian Defense worked out over the last 100 years or so of chess practise, like I say he's either Capablanca reincarnated or else he owns Chessmaster.
I just spilled a box of toothpicks on the floor.......
ICE, how many are left in the box? :scratchchin:
That's because I didn't know how the pieces moved! You don't have to tell everyone though! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Wow what a retard. :bucktooth:Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaThat's because I didn't know how the pieces moved! You don't have to tell everyone though! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I don't either, actually.
I just assumed they'd all moved roughly the same way but there's L shapes and diagonals on particular colours etc etc. Fine when you want to move your piece because the net won't let you move where you can't but I had no idea where he could move!Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodWow what a retard. :bucktooth:Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaThat's because I didn't know how the pieces moved! You don't have to tell everyone though! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I don't either, actually.
I will be victorious over Bilbo one day though - perhaps not today, perhaps not tomorrow but one day...........:mad:;D
Don't worry hun I was just highlighting that for someone who doesn't play chess it's hard enough just to make legal moves let alone good ones! You did win my queen though in the second game, you're probably only a week or so away from defeating me to be fair :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SharlaI just assumed they'd all moved roughly the same way but there's L shapes and diagonals on particular colours etc etc. Fine when you want to move your piece because the net won't let you move where you can't but I had no idea where he could move!Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodWow what a retard. :bucktooth:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
I don't either, actually.
I will be victorious over Bilbo one day though - perhaps not today, perhaps not tomorrow but one day...........:mad:;D
Bilbo, Amat, i am here you know :wavey:
Then answer the question buddy!! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
How can you only barely know the moves last year and then be a chess prodigy who studied master games in his childhood yesterday?
Yeah ya cunt!!!!
:D
Icb can I play your chess computer online sometime please my ones broken.
OK, ICE, it's like this...
I've studied the game for many years, read all kinds of books, and played countless rated turnament games against people of all abilities, not to mention countless unofficial games on the net also.
Now all this doesn't necessarily make me a good player, but I do know how good I am, where I stack up against other players, and from studying our game, and also your claim of a 2100 rating, I have an idea how good you seem to be. I would say it would make you probably about the 90th percentile of people who study the game and play it competitively. In other words, you are better than 90% of the chess fanatics out there.
I also have an idea about what it takes to get that good, and I do know that statements like...
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Originally Posted by ICB
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Originally Posted by ICB
really don't cut it. Especially the part about seeing many moves ahead. Being able to calculate variations doesn't help you without a positional understanding as a way of evaluating the resulting positions. You need to understand the positions in order to see the moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Never mind the obvious contradictions in your statements.
As for the time lag on your internet connection that day, well you will recall there were three of us in the room. I was watching you playing the other guy. For a while the game was pretty even, and your connection was actually working quite well. Then you started blowing the guy away, and low and behold you commented that your connection problem was coming back. Draw your own conclusion about that one, people.
I won't even bother discussing the ins and outs of King's Indian Opening Theory or the positional understanding of that opening that "your play" indicated.
Anyways, that's about it. It's not that what you are saying is impossible, it's just very unlikely, unless you are some kind of genius savant.
I think he genuinely believes that nobody would spot him, but chess is a tremendously complex game to master. I've been playing solidly since April online and in a chess club since October.
I've attempted to study from books, analysed my own games etc and I still make basic mistakes, and that's in tournament level games, let alone in a 15 min online game where I simply wouldn't have time to think.
If you are not cheating Ice you should take the game up and study it as you are clearly a natural at the game. You also seem to have this intuitive understanding even without knowing the names of openings or having any positional or strategic awareness, it's amazing.
Why is it you only reply or speak to me when you disagree with me, or im in a situation like this ? do you hate me that much mate ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Sit down old fella take a breather this is a young man's game. Unless you want to be made to look like a fool like CGM, Bilbo, i suggest you settle down old son ;)
ICB old chum. You still haven't answered the question. Spill like your missus' waters have just broken.
Maybe you should check the other thread and please don't bring my girl into this thank you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Oh Dear, computer like chess brain but unable to detect a bit of a giggle :-\
What is a young mans game, boxing? I suspect that this forum is the closest you have ever come to boxing.
I dont hate you, I find you odd but I dont hate you.
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Originally Posted by ICBWhy is it you only reply or speak to me when you disagree with me, or im in a situation like this ? do you hate me that much mate ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Sit down old fella take a breather this is a young man's game. Unless you want to be made to look like a fool like CGM, Bilbo, i suggest you settle down old son ;)
Answer the question sonny.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBMaybe you should check the other thread and please don't bring my girl into this thank you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Why not you brought her up in the 'other' thread.
Avoidance just makes everyone believe you have something more to hide than you do already.
:LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Uhh i think your the one unable to detect a bit of giggle, notice the winks at the end of my posts ? and my sarcasm ? you take the piss out of me, i take the piss out of you thats how it works i thought ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
The "young mans game" was sarcasm it wasn't supposed to be about boxing or anything, i notice you'll always the one to pick me or suggest im not an "Amateur boxer".
But i can assure you i am, so please do not assume anything about me because you haven't got a clue. Im totally different in real life i don't even take most of this forum seriously, its just a bit of a laugh to me, and to learn more knowledge about the game.
Prove it then. Show us that you are indeed an amateur boxer. It could be video footage, factual knowledge that can be checked, whatever. Can you prove it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBUhh i think your the one unable to detect a bit of giggle, notice the winks at the end of my posts ? and my sarcasm ? you take the piss out of me, i take the piss out of you thats how it works i thought ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
The "young mans game" was sarcasm it wasn't supposed to be about boxing or anything, i notice you'll always the one to pick me or suggest im not an "Amateur boxer".
But i can assure you i am, so please do not assume anything about me because you haven't got a clue. Im totally different in real life i don't even take most of this forum seriously, its just a bit of a laugh to me, and to learn my knowledge about the game.
What is this the MOD's attempts to gang up on me LOL, BIG H your the one that tells me at times. And Memphis that i take stuff too serious on here when i actually don't but whatever. I have a bit of a banter with Memphis and i get the rolling eyes treatment :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWhy is it you only reply or speak to me when you disagree with me, or im in a situation like this ? do you hate me that much mate ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Sit down old fella take a breather this is a young man's game. Unless you want to be made to look like a fool like CGM, Bilbo, i suggest you settle down old son ;)
I'ld love to see a video of Adam in a fight, dunno why, but I'm curious also.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesProve it then. Show us that you are indeed an amateur boxer. It could be video footage, factual knowledge that can be checked, whatever. Can you prove it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBUhh i think your the one unable to detect a bit of giggle, notice the winks at the end of my posts ? and my sarcasm ? you take the piss out of me, i take the piss out of you thats how it works i thought ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
The "young mans game" was sarcasm it wasn't supposed to be about boxing or anything, i notice you'll always the one to pick me or suggest im not an "Amateur boxer".
But i can assure you i am, so please do not assume anything about me because you haven't got a clue. Im totally different in real life i don't even take most of this forum seriously, its just a bit of a laugh to me, and to learn my knowledge about the game.
Me and my personal life or anything to do with my girl, has nothing to do with you or anyone else on here for that matter. And it certainly should not be mentioned in this thread because its irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyAnswer the question sonny.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBMaybe you should check the other thread and please don't bring my girl into this thank you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Why not you brought her up in the 'other' thread.
Avoidance just makes everyone believe you have something more to hide than you do already.
This debate im having now has nothing to do with anyone, only me and CGM because we played eachother and the only other witness was Killersheep.
I've offered him a way to settle this, and he's declined im willing to prove it by playing him in a quick game while i only take seconds to move.
Thats the best way to settle it but he doesn't want to know, so really im not gonna bother with this crap. Because it's Bilbo that started all this.
And i even got another thread made about me because of this, i respect you Missy and you know your stuff. But to be honest i think you should just let me and CGM settle this and everyone else should keep out aswell.
After all of this there needs to be links somewhere. After all, isnt ICB built upon the internet? A shame if there were no vids anywhere???Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeI'ld love to see a video of Adam in a fight, dunno why, but I'm curious also.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesProve it then. Show us that you are indeed an amateur boxer. It could be video footage, factual knowledge that can be checked, whatever. Can you prove it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Im not showing or telling anyone my personal business, and i've already said that on another thread. I don't have to prove anything to anyone on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesProve it then. Show us that you are indeed an amateur boxer. It could be video footage, factual knowledge that can be checked, whatever. Can you prove it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBUhh i think your the one unable to detect a bit of giggle, notice the winks at the end of my posts ? and my sarcasm ? you take the piss out of me, i take the piss out of you thats how it works i thought ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
The "young mans game" was sarcasm it wasn't supposed to be about boxing or anything, i notice you'll always the one to pick me or suggest im not an "Amateur boxer".
But i can assure you i am, so please do not assume anything about me because you haven't got a clue. Im totally different in real life i don't even take most of this forum seriously, its just a bit of a laugh to me, and to learn my knowledge about the game.
I know myself and to be honest i don't know anyone on here personally, and i certainly wouldn't trust anyone on here in real life. I only tell people certain details about myself on the internet and thats as far as it goes.
The only people who know full details about me on the internet, is friends i know personally who i have known for years. And to be honest what the hell has this got to do with me and CGM ? everyone's on my back in the last few days wanting to know this and that, sorry but you can all stick it where the sun don't shine.
You should never claim what you cannot show then. And you should learn from that point. Be it chess or boxing. I could claim that Im Godzilla, I would need to back it up somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBIm not showing or telling anyone my personal business, and i've already said that on another thread. I don't have to prove anything to anyone on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesProve it then. Show us that you are indeed an amateur boxer. It could be video footage, factual knowledge that can be checked, whatever. Can you prove it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I know myself and to be honest i don't know anyone on here personally, and i certainly wouldn't trust anyone on here in real life. I only tell people certain details about myself on the internet and thats as far as it goes.
The only people who know full details about me on the internet, is friends i know personally who i have known for years. And to be honest what the hell has this got to do with me and CGM ? everyone's on my back in the last few days wanting to know this and that, sorry but you can all stick it where the sun don't shine.
Your final point is lovely too, Ice. :rolleyes:
I will still never play chess with any of you. :-X;D
ICB You've shared plenty of personal stuff about yourself on here in the past
Its not my fault Miles LOL i don't even hardly bring up about me being an Amateur boxer, only in the Training Section. All i will say is that im an Amateur boxer and thats it. Memphis brought it up, because he likes to have little snipes at me about it and he ain't joking despite what he says.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesYou should never claim what you cannot show then. And you should learn from that point. Be it chess or boxing. I could claim that Im Godzilla, I would need to back it up somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBIm not showing or telling anyone my personal business, and i've already said that on another thread. I don't have to prove anything to anyone on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I know myself and to be honest i don't know anyone on here personally, and i certainly wouldn't trust anyone on here in real life. I only tell people certain details about myself on the internet and thats as far as it goes.
The only people who know full details about me on the internet, is friends i know personally who i have known for years. And to be honest what the hell has this got to do with me and CGM ? everyone's on my back in the last few days wanting to know this and that, sorry but you can all stick it where the sun don't shine.
Your final point is lovely too, Ice. :rolleyes:
I will still never play chess with any of you. :-X;D
People have been having a go at me for awhile Miles, just look at it from my point of view. I play around with CGM in one thread he takes it all serious, Bilbo makes this thread and i answer then i start getting accused of cheating and being Britkid.
In 3 different threads from a dozen of members or so, and sorry but i am pissed off wouldn't you be ? i try to make a joke out of it to break the ice, but still im getting this bullshit.