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I'd say so, but Sandy Saddler was pretty sly as well, and so was/is Teddy Reid.
Sugar Ray Robinson said it. " I've learned more thing's in one match with Zivic then in all of my fight's with Lamotta". Also it was said that he intentionally would foul twice like punching below the belt and elbowing at the same time. I don't believe there is too much film of him, so we just have to go on what people say.
It couldn't be Golota. He was too dumb to get away with it. A true dirty fighter knows how to cheat and not get caught. For me, Evander Holyfield makes the top 5 at least.
Agapito Sanchez was a dude I would have never wanted to meet on the streets, RIP. I've only seen a few of his fights but he definitely takes the cake from what I've seen.
Same goes for me. Hell i would put him in the top three.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Tyson must be up there then. He got away with biting Holyfields ear first time and then went and did it again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Ya need to watch more fights then.........;D.Yeh,Holyfield could get rough and tumble but aside from an occasional billy goat immitation :frusty:,he was nothing compared to many,many others.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkSame goes for me. Hell i would put him in the top three.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
For as dirty as Zivic was reported to be,for over 200 fights,its stunning that he was never DQ'd ??
Sorry dont have the time to watch "dirty fighters" maybe you can give me a list of some to watch...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsYa need to watch more fights then.........;D.Yeh,Holyfield could get rough and tumble but aside from an occasional billy goat immitation :frusty:,he was nothing compared to many,many others.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkSame goes for me. Hell i would put him in the top three.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
For as dirty as Zivic was reported to be,for over 200 fights,its stunning that he was never DQ'd ??
Heres one,hope this f!!!!r is still rotting in prison personallyQuote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkSorry dont have the time to watch "dirty fighters" maybe you can give me a list of some to watch...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsYa need to watch more fights then.........;D.Yeh,Holyfield could get rough and tumble but aside from an occasional billy goat immitation :frusty:,he was nothing compared to many,many others.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
For as dirty as Zivic was reported to be,for over 200 fights,its stunning that he was never DQ'd ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI3D7h5yxOs
Nate fitch,Gianfranco Rosi,Tyson (when the fear factor wore thin),Golota,Ernest Mateen,A.Echols,Agapito Sanchez,Galento,Some would say Terry Norris....I wont,just could not control himself ??Saw John John Molina get elbowed,laced and bit twice by Fernando Caiecedo (sp?),before Molina fed him his teeth:shinner:
DAMN!! that vid isnt really displaying anything dirty though IMO. To me he was being more of a sore loser than a dirty fighter. I seen Golota do some dirty shit but never got away with it obviously. But the dirtiest fighter i seen was holyfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsHeres one,hope this f!!!!r is still rotting in prison personallyQuote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkSorry dont have the time to watch "dirty fighters" maybe you can give me a list of some to watch...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI3D7h5yxOs
Nate fitch,Gianfranco Rosi,Tyson (when the fear factor wore thin),Golota,Ernest Mateen,A.Echols,Agapito Sanchez,Galento,Some would say Terry Norris....I wont,just could not control himself ??Saw John John Molina get elbowed,laced and bit twice by Fernando Caiecedo (sp?),before Molina fed him his teeth:shinner:
Wow,Holyfield got promoted from top 3 to 1st.Nice ;D.But What Butler did was an act of a coward and as dirty as it gets in the contenuim of a professional prize fight in the ring.Its not over simply because the bell rings.Hey....I hear you man,You believe what you will and thats where we'll leave it.To each his own.But I think your way off.Your right about Golota...The Foul Pole indeed,very dirty.He was like a light switch,just snapped in there when the going got rough,he had some skills though.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkDAMN!! that vid isnt really displaying anything dirty though IMO. To me he was being more of a sore loser than a dirty fighter. I seen Golota do some dirty shit but never got away with it obviously. But the dirtiest fighter i seen was holyfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsHeres one,hope this f!!!!r is still rotting in prison personallyQuote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI3D7h5yxOs
Nate fitch,Gianfranco Rosi,Tyson (when the fear factor wore thin),Golota,Ernest Mateen,A.Echols,Agapito Sanchez,Galento,Some would say Terry Norris....I wont,just could not control himself ??Saw John John Molina get elbowed,laced and bit twice by Fernando Caiecedo (sp?),before Molina fed him his teeth:shinner:
Echols too good one. Robert Guerrero right now is way dirty, if he can get away with something he does it. Look at his fight with Eric Aiken that was one of the dirtiest displays of punching I've ever seen to just get away with no warning at all.
Holyfield had to be dirty but like Spicoli said it was more just to show his opponents he wasn't soft when coming up from cruiser. He was possibly dirtier then Mike in their fights but Tyson made a few big mistakes.
Nigel Benn was also a verrry dirty fighter. He rabbit punched all the time and against Iran Barkley he was unloading huge power shots to a downed Barkley each time he dropped him. He also rabbit punched a whole lot.
Hey if you gotta know, he wrote the manual on fighting dirty: http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/zivic-dirty.pdf
Fighting dirty was Zivic's MO, if it wasn't for that he probably wouldn't have been able to overcome Hank Armstrong, or even make it into the HOF. There has been countless dirty fighters but perhaps none other than Fritzie Zivic have gone out of their way to fight dirty.
great read. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Nagel
Good call on Guerrero,He can get foul big time.No way was Holyfield dirtier than Tyson...that funny,Tyson landed the first headbutt in the second fight,straight to Holyfields gut and launched him across the ring.Benn had looping wide shots that he lived and died by in some hectic fights.He only clearly clipped Barkley one time,the second KD from which Barkley sprung right up.He was wrong,but not intentional Imo.Barkley refused to address it saying he straight up lost...."No sour grapes' he kept saying.Class guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
It has to be Zivic.
I'd also rate Evander, Hopkins, Golota & Tyson as dirty.
According to my research here's a little side note on Zivic.
I believe he is the boxer with the most loses to ever win a title.
He has 65 loses.
How about some trivia?
Who is currently the boxer who holds a major title with the most loses?
Was gona say verno Phillips but remembered he lost to PW.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
How about Gerry Penalosa? Other than that no idea.
Heres one thatpeople overlook brought on by bad technique not really dirty but fouling never the less Ali :rolleyes:
Harry Greb?
How about Cristobal Cruz.And call me crazy.....I'd love his chances with Gamboa:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
You are correct IBF Feather champ Cruz has 11 loses to his name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsHow about Cristobal Cruz.And call me crazy.....I'd love his chances with Gamboa:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick