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Margarito was the favorite going into the Mosley fight. In fact it's 4 to 1 in favor of Margarito. Many boxing experts picked Margarito to defeat Mosley...
If Margo wasn't caught with the loaded wraps, do you think he would have beaten Mosley?
Vote in the poll and post your thoughts...
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isn't your question fundamentally flawed? :confused:
No I think Shane had his number that night.....hell he hardly ever hit Shane in the 1st place; loaded wraps or not you have to hit your opponent;D
Could be... I'm not that good in formulating question (sorry about that mate)... Please explain... I just hope you got some idea what I'm really asking...Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
I voted YES for I noticed starting in the very first round that Margarito wasn't the same boxer... There's a worried look in his face and he's not that confident... I think his mind was more into the exposed illegal wraps than in the fight... ;)
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Originally Posted by LEGION
No
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerCould be... I'm not that good in formulating question (sorry about that mate)... Please explain... I just hope you got some idea what I'm really asking...Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
I voted YES for I noticed starting in the very first round that Margarito wasn't the same boxer... There's a worried look in his face and he's not that confident... I think his mind was more into the exposed illegal wraps than in the fight... ;)
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I respectfully disagree SB.....I should have done a Vulcan mind probe through the tv set to get a reading on Margarito's mental state, but I didn't....Other than that he did the same thing he always does; chases an opponent around the ring; getting punched in the face while patiently waiting for his opponents hands to break or they tire out; then putting the blast on them....I think he was more frustrated by Mosley not letting him get him on the ropes for periods of time and moving well the whole fight....I like the type fighters like Tony; but if you want to be a boxer learn how to box lmmfao.:rolleyes:
Just imagine with those bricks inside Margo's gloves, what punishment he could have dished out to Mosley... Well he didn't hit Mosley that much (he didn't even throw that 100 punches per round he's well known for) but at some instances, he hit Mosley with some solid punches... Now if there were bricks in those gloves? :confused:
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Maybe, lol, there should be a rematch with some ACME products allowed into the equation......Don't forget he got KTFO and when was the last time that happened?
Shane was on fire that night, Tony looked in poor shape, he looked to be out of gas early and unable to stand with Shane that night....Mosley was going to win regardless
Nope. Shane was the better man that night.
This shite is just getting flat out silly.No,Mosley was in a zone...once he started targeting in on that body & smircking at Margarito....you got that feeling.He stiffled Tonys attack from the get go,I dont care if he was wielding a machete.It was Mosley night.
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerCould be... I'm not that good in formulating question (sorry about that mate)... Please explain... I just hope you got some idea what I'm really asking...Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
I voted YES for I noticed starting in the very first round that Margarito wasn't the same boxer... There's a worried look in his face and he's not that confident... I think his mind was more into the exposed illegal wraps than in the fight... ;)
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I respectfully disagree SB.....I should have done a Vulcan mind probe through the tv set to get a reading on Margarito's mental state, but I didn't....Other than that he did the same thing he always does; chases an opponent around the ring; getting punched in the face while patiently waiting for his opponents hands to break or they tire out; then putting the blast on them....I think he was more frustrated by Mosley not letting him get him on the ropes for periods of time and moving well the whole fight....I like the type fighters like Tony; but if you want to be a boxer learn how to box lmmfao.:rolleyes:
You got very good points Snake... but I really sensed that worried look in Margo since the beginning of the fight... Maybe he's worried of what the consequences of being caught... maybe worried that his punches does not have the same devastating effect without the bricks inside... Try to review the fight if you have the time and look closely at Margo's face... ;D
Margo told the commission that he has no knowledge about the bricks but I don't buy that... If you're a boxer that long, you will know if there's something inside those wraps...
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That's some of what I noticed aside from the worried look... How could Margo be out of shape when 6 months ago he looked indestructible against Cotto?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
This is not to take out credits from Mosley, he's very good that night... And this is boxing, upsets happened...
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voted no imo Shane speed was just to much for Margarito
Try to put yourselves in Margo's shoes, you've been caught cheating with a very serious grave offense, what will be your reaction?
I think you will be worried... You cannot focus on the task at hand since your mind is consumed on your very grave crime and it's serious consequences that may affect your living...
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I picked shane to win before the wraps theres my answer.
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Good point; and yeah being in a worried state of mind would seem to be a serious distraction.....I will have to watch it again; but I seem to remember Tony doing and looking the same as every other fight.....Sloppy, hard chinned, and just trying to bulldog his way through a fight......not to mention his typical smiley face when he kept getting punched over and over; so he thought something was funny enough to not seem that worried;D:owned:
A better question SB is would Tony even have ever been in a position to fight Mosley, or Cotto, Cintron, Clottey or anyone else without those wraps; if indeed he's used them before this fight?
Excellent pick BTW... I think I was not able to post my pick... was undecided on that fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
I think most of those who picked Margo based it on Margo's indestructible performance against Cotto and Shane's tight loss to Cotto...
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i agree... finally i got an ally... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by vette1
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I voted yes because anything Tony hit Shane with had he been able to load his gloves would have inflicted at least twice the damage and Shane would have been slowed by it and eventually Shane would have gotten on the bike or gotten worn out and TKO'd and maybe even permenantly injured.
Margarito and his trainer should have been banned for life after being caught!
Excellent point. When you are hit by a hard puncher you definitely are a different fighter inside that ring and this opens up for the harder puncher to be able to throw more. Being that he should be the aggressor. Shane was not affected by what Margarito was throwing. So much so, that Mosley was even the guy pushing the fight all night long. Mosley was coming to and pushing Margarito to the ropes. At the time I was astounded. Now I know why. Margarito wasn't what we thought he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by vette1
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I'm also for ban for life... What Team Margarito was trying to sneak can possibly cause serious injuries to opposing boxers...
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I can't believe anyone would answer yes. Margarito was barely landing any clear, effective punches. The loaded wraps would not have made him more accurate. No, the result would have been the same.
No for a life band because i still haev no idea what he use people say brickes but form what i heard it not what it was and also lest not foget that Shane chin and body is about 10x tougher then Cotto i think Molsey would of killed Margrito wither he was loaded or not tell you truth.
Margarito couldn't hit mosley. He was hitting cotto. He just couldn't connect too well on mosley. He did land more punches in rounds 7 and 8 until he got ktfo by that surprise left.
Do you think Margo being caught cheating for a very serious grave offense was one of the reasons why he couldn't hit Mosley? Margo could be in a worried, distracted state of mind... No concentration at all in that fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
About the punches he did land in rounds 7 and 8, if his gloves were loaded with bricks, would it have slowed down and weakened Mosley?
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this question is sick.
Almost like saying "do you think margarito would of beaten mosley if he was allowed to take a brick into the ring with him"
I personally dont wanna know or even think about the answer to this one!!
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Exactly. Shane was far more skillfull all through the fight. Don't get me wrong I've enjoyed watching Margarito fight for a few years now but, god I hate to say it....skills pay the bills.
No, for two reasons. One, Margo's punches are always wide, and Mosley's speed allowed him to avoid the brunt of most blows. Two, Mosley made sure to stay close to Margo and warp up when necessary, thus not allowing Margo room for his long arms to get any leverage. The wraps would not have helped him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerDo you think Margo being caught cheating for a very serious grave offense was one of the reasons why he couldn't hit Mosley?Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
Holloway Reflects on Fateful Margarito Sparring Session - Boxing News Don't give me that BS he didn't know! it just falls on deaf ears....
Having an advantage like that is like hitting someone with a blunt object (a brick) but it's adding capability to an already powerful weapon. Look at what happened to Holloway! The damage it inflicts is bone crushing.... Even with bad boxing skills it gives him a tremendous advantage. Possibly Mosley comes out the winner (assuming Margarito never gets a flush hit) but it's just not the same fight because blows to any part of the body have more impact, damage and effect and Mosley is slowed which gives Margarito more opportunity to land that flush blow. Margarito is good but not great without the advantage....
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerThat's some of what I noticed aside from the worried look... How could Margo be out of shape when 6 months ago he looked indestructible against Cotto?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
This is not to take out credits from Mosley, he's very good that night... And this is boxing, upsets happened...
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Nah he was ready and in shape....about thirty to forty seconds into the first round shane hit him with a right hand blind body shot that vibrated through his entire body. Margo's knees weakened you could instantly see that it dropped his condition from "full tank of gas" to "matter of time", haven't seen one punch with such residual damage like that in a long time.
Then add Shane's clinching, Margo, stone hands or not was going to lose this fight.
in fact here's a clip of the punch ive made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jk3bA0nGqA
Nah, Mosley just had his number that night, the only way Margarito was winning was if he was packing a beretta in his wraps
I don't think anyone could of beat Mosley that night.
Why not so astounded in hindsight?Margarito in style was exactly what we thought he was.A pressure fighter who took shots and applied volume pressure,really not that much left to the imagination.As to what ifs and scenarios surrounding past fights,your conclusions are reached.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitExcellent point. When you are hit by a hard puncher you definitely are a different fighter inside that ring and this opens up for the harder puncher to be able to throw more. Being that he should be the aggressor. Shane was not affected by what Margarito was throwing. So much so, that Mosley was even the guy pushing the fight all night long. Mosley was coming to and pushing Margarito to the ropes. At the time I was astounded. Now I know why. Margarito wasn't what we thought he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by vette1
What ever The fallout of Wrap-Gate,the process is being handeled and punishmenst dealt out rightfully so.Maybe it was Shane that was not what many thought he was going into that fight.......a former champion easily on the other side of career there for easy pickings.
IMO , i don't think so , now in that fight Mosley had to been analyze the fight between Cotto vs Margaro , he knew what to do and took advantage of the opportunity that Cotto didn't take , so i was one that thought that this fight would finish by UD not by KO......................Mosley strategy was very successful ;D
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Tony wouldn't have won if he had a Tazer in each glove.
No he wasn't landing enough IMO. Then again I've never been hit by a loaded glove!
I agree that speed was a factor in the fight, but I believe that Shane's fight plan of not allowing Margarito to work inside was the key for his victory. I do not believe that Cotto was planning to move as much as he did against Margarito and once he realized that he could not deal with his loaded gloves he was left with no other option but to stay away. We have to take into account that Margarito was not going to go out of his way on the attack against Sugar Shane knowing that his punches were not going to have the same effect. I do not take anything away from Shane he was brilliant and he won fair and square and I am so glad that he did not have to win despite Margarito's loaded gloves, because I am not sure how Cotto is going to react in his next fight with Jennings if in fact Margarito was loaded. I recall that at the end of Margarito and Daniel Santos fight wich was stopped on cuts, Santos told Margarito in spanish how incredibly hard his punches were, that was a bit strange to me at the time but I guess now lives room for speculation. Any way, I am new member of your forum, but I have been enjoying your postings for quite some time.Quote:
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