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Lightweight Tournament!! Let's Talk
It's finalized! There is going to be a Card held in Texas on April 4th called "Lightweight Lightning." It is going to be an HBO Pay-Per-View event.
The fights include:
Edwin Valero-Antonio Pitalua (for the interim WBC lightweight title)
Michael Katsidis-Jesus Chavez
Jorge Barrios-Carlos Hernandez
Joel Casamayor-Julio Diaz
Once the winners are determined, they will be paired up again for semi-final fights, and so on until there is one fighter left.
Eventually, the plans are to get the winner of the Juan Manuel Marquez vs Juan Diaz involved in the action at some point.
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I read about this last night, Im excited that its in Texas ima try to go.
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I guarantee at least two of these fights don't happen. If it does go off correctly that would be great.
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Dan Rafael reported that if Edwin Valero wins, he is not obligated to continue the tournament and very well may opt for a different fight, since he is a Top Rank fighter.
otherwise, it is a neat PPV concept.
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Why the hell would we pay to see a all these guys fight?
Casamayor - finito, well past his best
Katsidis - needs to get a Win b4 PPV
Jesus Chavez - knee injury will come up again for sure, he 37 and well past prime, too
Barrios - can't win against top level opposition past 6 years
Pitatua - well past prime. how he got that KO last fall I will never know.
Hernandez - same story, too old, too late
Diaz - can't nearly dish out the punishment he can take
So the average age of the fighters is... 33.25... that is rather high imo. I don't see everything working out for all these fighters to be on this card, but I may just have to give in. At least these guys don't quit!
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Casamayor beats all them fools
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I'm not a fan of this tournaments sponsored by Golden Boy Promotions... I see it as a one time event without any significant continuation...
Look at the World Cup tournament among nations sponsored by GBP, after the Philippines trashed Mexico by a score of 5-1 last August 2007, it's been forgotten... They should have held a World Cup event every year... There's lots of match-ups like Philippines vs. Puerto Rico or Philippines vs. Thailand or Mexico vs. Puerto Rico which is a huge event...
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
I'm not a fan of this tournaments sponsored by Golden Boy Promotions... I see it as a one time event without any significant continuation...
Look at the World Cup tournament among nations sponsored by GBP, after the Philippines trashed Mexico by a score of 5-1 last August 2007, it's been forgotten... They should have held a World Cup event every year... There's lots of match-ups like Philippines vs. Puerto Rico or Philippines vs. Thailand or Mexico vs. Puerto Rico which is a huge event...
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The World Cup thing would make sense if it was a team sport, but it's not.
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
I'm not a fan of this tournaments sponsored by Golden Boy Promotions... I see it as a one time event without any significant continuation...
Look at the World Cup tournament among nations sponsored by GBP, after the Philippines trashed Mexico by a score of 5-1 last August 2007, it's been forgotten... They should have held a World Cup event every year... There's lots of match-ups like Philippines vs. Puerto Rico or Philippines vs. Thailand or Mexico vs. Puerto Rico which is a huge event...
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The World Cup thing would make sense if it was a team sport, but it's not.
Not sure really what GBP's final objective with this World Cup thing... Of course GBP wants to make money from this tournaments...
Back to the lightweight tournament, I don't think GBP will have the enthusiasm to continue promoting it if Valero or Julio Diaz will come out on top...
Another thing, they said the winner of the tournament will have a crack on JMM-Juan Diaz winner, how about Campbell-Funeka? Are they left out from this whole thing? Also there are too many boxers involved and I think it takes at least a year to crown one winner...
I think this lightweight tournament is just a one time money making rip off by GBP...
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Re: Lightweight Tournament!!
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
I'm not a fan of this tournaments sponsored by Golden Boy Promotions... I see it as a one time event without any significant continuation...
Look at the World Cup tournament among nations sponsored by GBP, after the Philippines trashed Mexico by a score of 5-1 last August 2007, it's been forgotten... They should have held a World Cup event every year... There's lots of match-ups like Philippines vs. Puerto Rico or Philippines vs. Thailand or Mexico vs. Puerto Rico which is a huge event...
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The World Cup thing would make sense if it was a team sport, but it's not.
Not sure really what GBP's final objective with this World Cup thing... Of course GBP wants to make money from this tournaments...
Back to the lightweight tournament, I don't think GBP will have the enthusiasm to continue promoting it if Valero or Julio Diaz will come out on top...
Another thing, they said the winner of the tournament will have a crack on JMM-Juan Diaz winner, how about Campbell-Funeka? Are they left out from this whole thing? Also there are too many boxers involved and I think it takes at least a year to crown one winner...
I think this lightweight tournament is just a one time money making rip off by GBP...
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I'll still pay for this of course, but for once I actually agree with you, the tournament should be
JMM \_________
Diaz / \
\__________
/
Campbell \_________/
Funeka /
That being said it's worth it to me to see Katsidis, Barrios, Casa and Valero.
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Re: Lightweight Tournament!!
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
The World Cup thing would make sense if it was a team sport, but it's not.
Not sure really what GBP's final objective with this World Cup thing... Of course GBP wants to make money from this tournaments...
Back to the lightweight tournament, I don't think GBP will have the enthusiasm to continue promoting it if Valero or Julio Diaz will come out on top...
Another thing, they said the winner of the tournament will have a crack on JMM-Juan Diaz winner, how about Campbell-Funeka? Are they left out from this whole thing? Also there are too many boxers involved and I think it takes at least a year to crown one winner...
I think this lightweight tournament is just a one time money making rip off by GBP...
.
I'll still pay for this of course, but for once I actually agree with you, the tournament should be
JMM \_________
Diaz / \
\__________
/
Campbell \_________/
Funeka /
That being said it's worth it to me to see Katsidis, Barrios, Casa and Valero.
Well it's not really a bad card... I have some interest in Edwin Valero-Antonio Pitalua and Joel Casamayor-Julio Diaz fights but no interest at all on Michael Katsidis-Jesus Chavez and Jorge Barrios-Carlos Hernandez fights...
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Re: Lightweight Tournament!!
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
Not sure really what GBP's final objective with this World Cup thing... Of course GBP wants to make money from this tournaments...
Back to the lightweight tournament, I don't think GBP will have the enthusiasm to continue promoting it if Valero or Julio Diaz will come out on top...
Another thing, they said the winner of the tournament will have a crack on JMM-Juan Diaz winner, how about Campbell-Funeka? Are they left out from this whole thing? Also there are too many boxers involved and I think it takes at least a year to crown one winner...
I think this lightweight tournament is just a one time money making rip off by GBP...
.
I'll still pay for this of course, but for once I actually agree with you, the tournament should be
JMM \_________
Diaz / \
\__________
/
Campbell \_________/
Funeka /
That being said it's worth it to me to see Katsidis, Barrios, Casa and Valero.
Well it's not really a bad card... I have some interest in Edwin Valero-Antonio Pitalua and Joel Casamayor-Julio Diaz fights but no interest at all on Michael Katsidis-Jesus Chavez and Jorge Barrios-Carlos Hernandez fights...
Katsidis and Chavez are both pressure fighters, it should be an exciting one, if Katsidis hit harder it would be a blowout, but because of his lack of power it should be competitive.
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Re: Lightweight Tournament!!
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
I'll still pay for this of course, but for once I actually agree with you, the tournament should be
JMM \_________
Diaz / \
\__________
/
Campbell \_________/
Funeka /
That being said it's worth it to me to see Katsidis, Barrios, Casa and Valero.
Well it's not really a bad card... I have some interest in Edwin Valero-Antonio Pitalua and Joel Casamayor-Julio Diaz fights but no interest at all on Michael Katsidis-Jesus Chavez and Jorge Barrios-Carlos Hernandez fights...
Katsidis and Chavez are both pressure fighters, it should be an exciting one, if Katsidis hit harder it would be a blowout, but because of his lack of power it should be competitive.
Don't rely on it so much... How disappointed are you in the Katsidis-Juan Diaz fight? It was predicted to be a total war between two always come forward pressure fighters but...
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Re: Lightweight Tournament!!
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
Well it's not really a bad card... I have some interest in Edwin Valero-Antonio Pitalua and Joel Casamayor-Julio Diaz fights but no interest at all on Michael Katsidis-Jesus Chavez and Jorge Barrios-Carlos Hernandez fights...
Katsidis and Chavez are both pressure fighters, it should be an exciting one, if Katsidis hit harder it would be a blowout, but because of his lack of power it should be competitive.
Don't rely on it so much... How disappointed are you in the Katsidis-Juan Diaz fight? It was predicted to be a total war between two always come forward pressure fighters but...
Diaz had the plan, and executed it. I don't know that Chavez at this point would be able to step and fire like Diaz did. I'm trying to be optimistic buddy ;)
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
I'm not a fan of this tournaments sponsored by Golden Boy Promotions... I see it as a one time event without any significant continuation...
Look at the World Cup tournament among nations sponsored by GBP, after the Philippines trashed Mexico by a score of 5-1 last August 2007, it's been forgotten... They should have held a World Cup event every year... There's lots of match-ups like Philippines vs. Puerto Rico or Philippines vs. Thailand or Mexico vs. Puerto Rico which is a huge event...
.
The World Cup thing would make sense if it was a team sport, but it's not.
Not sure really what GBP's final objective with this World Cup thing... Of course GBP wants to make money from this tournaments...
Back to the lightweight tournament, I don't think GBP will have the enthusiasm to continue promoting it if Valero or Julio Diaz will come out on top...
Another thing, they said the winner of the tournament will have a crack on JMM-Juan Diaz winner, how about Campbell-Funeka? Are they left out from this whole thing? Also there are too many boxers involved and I think it takes at least a year to crown one winner...
I think this lightweight tournament is just a one time money making rip off by GBP...
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You do got a point. Especially about a potential Campbell/Funeka absence. But a tournament does clear up who's really a contender and who's not
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Here's how I see it...
Edwin Valero-Antonio Pitalua = Valero
Michael Katsidis-Jesus Chavez = Kats
Jorge Barrios-Carlos Hernandez = Barrios
Joel Casamayor-Julio Diaz = Casa
Valero - Casa = Valero
Kats - Barrios = Kats
Valero - Kats = Valero
Valero - JMM = JMM
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Re: Lightweight Tournament!!
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
Another thing, they said the winner of the tournament will have a crack on JMM-Juan Diaz winner, how about Campbell-Funeka?
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Who ever wins the JMM vs Juan Diaz fight will be the Lightweight Champion, so I think that is the logical opponent for the winner.
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Are these all 12round fights???
thats a good 6 or so hours of boxing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
either valero, barros or diaz will win this!!!!!!!
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hattonthehammer
Are these all 12round fights???
thats a good 6 or so hours of boxing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
either valero, barros or diaz will win this!!!!!!!
As far as I know these are in fact all 12 round fights.
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
Are these all 12round fights???
thats a good 6 or so hours of boxing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
either valero, barros or diaz will win this!!!!!!!
As far as I know these are in fact all 12 round fights.
damn killer, your prediction league is going to kick ass that weekend ;D;D;D
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
Are these all 12round fights???
thats a good 6 or so hours of boxing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
either valero, barros or diaz will win this!!!!!!!
As far as I know these are in fact all 12 round fights.
damn killer, your prediction league is going to kick ass that weekend ;D;D;D
Very lightweight intensive, I'm gonna have to adjust something, cause I'm knocking on the door of maximum post length as it is.
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The first World Cup of Boxing was Mexico vs Thailand, it wasn't forgotten and it was a great card. So was the second one and it had some great fights. They should just not call it the World Cup and it would work better.
As for this tournament, I'm only halfway interested in half the names. There are plenty of guys I would rather see like Anthony Peterson, the winner of tomorrow's fight, Guzman and others. Katsidis is fun to watch but if I want a tournament I want the best contenders possible.
Though I must say all of those fights have a chance to be very good.
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Can Pitalau beat Valero?
I've gotta plead ignorance on Pitalau, I don't know if I've ever even seen the guy fight, he's probably fought on some of those Spanish networks that I don't get.
Just by going on boxrec which is buggy as hell so I didn't even seen the bottom half of his record he's got stoppage wins over Santa Cruz, Soto Karrass, loss to Grigorian, and with 40 KO's in 46 fights he must have a fairly serious dig and its not like Valero's impossible to hit.
What's his style like if anybody knows, is he fast, defense any good?
I don't really like Valero. ;D Basically I'm just trying to see if I should get my hopes up.
The title question is a bit silly, of course he could beat Valero, is it remotely likely is more like it?
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Re: Can Pitalau beat Valero?
Yes, he can pop. But he must come in with straight shots bewteen Valero's wide stuff. Like JML did with Ponce de leon. That's his best and likely only shot. And he needs to do it early. This one has the potential to be another Meza-Garza. Do not blink or go to the reefer.
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Re: Can Pitalau beat Valero?
Antonio Pitalua, a Colombian who lives in and does all of his fighting out of Mexico City has a record of 46 (KO 40)-3 and a lofty KO percentage of 81.63. Twenty-nine of his stoppage wins have come in three rounds or less. He has stopped his last fourteen opponents in a row including the highly regarded Jose Armando Santa Cruz. He is 38 years old and won the interim version of the WBC lightweight title with an impressive sixth round upset win over the much younger Santa Cruz.
In 2001, he lost a SD to tough Arnulfo “Chico” Castillo, 33-1-3 coming in, and in 2000, he dropped a close twelve round decision in Germany to Artur Grigorian, 30-0 at the time. At stake was the WBO lightweight title. One of his early victories came against Cosme Rivera who gave Andre Berto all he could handle. Another came against Saul “Baby” Duran, but mostly his opposition has been less than stellar. Still, an 82% KO percentage is nothing to sneeze at. Make no mistake, Pitalua can throw bricks
He was stopped by Jesus Rodriquez back in 1995 in a fight for the WBC Continental Americas lightweight title, but that was 13 years ago. Neither fighter will add many rounds to his record in this one; bet on it!
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Valero Question
I'm pretty excited about the fight tomorrow night. I haven't heard anything official, but I am assuming he is allowed to fight in the states again?? I have read articles where he said he could pass any MRI. The fight tomorrow night is in Texas. Is it just state by state he's banned, anyone know??
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markb018
I'm pretty excited about the fight tomorrow night. I haven't heard anything official, but I am assuming he is allowed to fight in the states again?? I have read articles where he said he could pass any MRI. The fight tomorrow night is in Texas. Is it just state by state he's banned, anyone know??
As far as I know its only the boxing commission of Texas that has allowed him to fight in their juristriction so far
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Galaxy
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Originally Posted by
markb018
I'm pretty excited about the fight tomorrow night. I haven't heard anything official, but I am assuming he is allowed to fight in the states again?? I have read articles where he said he could pass any MRI. The fight tomorrow night is in Texas. Is it just state by state he's banned, anyone know??
As far as I know its only the boxing commission of Texas that has allowed him to fight in their juristriction so far
I think your right
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Kel
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
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Originally Posted by
markb018
I'm pretty excited about the fight tomorrow night. I haven't heard anything official, but I am assuming he is allowed to fight in the states again?? I have read articles where he said he could pass any MRI. The fight tomorrow night is in Texas. Is it just state by state he's banned, anyone know??
As far as I know its only the boxing commission of Texas that has allowed him to fight in their juristriction so far
I think your right
Texas is the only big venue state, but I suspect West Virginia, Wyoming, maybe Idaho and a few other obscure states might let him fight. Hell, if Morrison can "fight" in Wyoming, anyone should be able to, but who would want to?
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So is this a stepping stone for the big places like NY or Vegas???? Or are those places out of the question
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markb018
So is this a stepping stone for the big places like NY or Vegas???? Or are those places out of the question
I think Valero is only licensed to fight in the state of Texas as of this time... Can't fight in any other states but that might change soon...
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Re: Can Pitalau beat Valero?
As if I didn't have enough reasons to root for Pitalau it turns out he looks like a bit of a nutter
http://fightnews.com/wp-content/uploads/valero2.jpg
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OumaFan
Pitalau obviously has the most impressive hairstyle seen since a bowl was last placed on a persons head and shaved around the sides. He looks loopy and will most likely get Ko'ed.
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CutMeMick
Here's how I see it...
Edwin Valero-Antonio Pitalua = Valero
Michael Katsidis-Jesus Chavez = Kats
Jorge Barrios-Carlos Hernandez = Barrios
Joel Casamayor-Julio Diaz = Casa
Valero - Casa = Valero
Kats - Barrios = Kats
Valero - Kats = Valero
Valero - JMM = JMM
Making the changes to my picks in fights that fell through.
Valero
Kats
Escobedo
Diaz
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OumaFan
That's a spectacular haircut but it won't be enough to get him thje win tonight.
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Re: Lightweight Tournament!! Let's Talk
This is gonna be a good fight. Both evenly matched
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Some elbows there by Reyes on slowmo replay.
