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"Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
If you want to assess a fighters "present" skill status you best check out his previous fight. Malignaggi was Hatton's last fight. So was that fight an impressive win for Hatton? Knowing the facts we can really see a telling story about how good he really was that night. After the loss with money may, I believe his last 2 fight wasn't at all that impressive. Most especially if you breakdown what really happened during that fight.
People failed to remember, Malignaggi right hand was always injured through the course of his career making it really brittle the more he fought, and as you can see during the fight his right hand had no power to hurt ricky. Watching that fight again, Malignaggi wasnt the old relentless style fighter that he was, but a left hand "one handed jabber fighter" the whole fight and rarely brought out his brittle right hand on the table. Making it clearly a suspected brittle right hand as stated by Emanual steward during the fight. He was a one handed fighter that night. Ricky should definitely stop Malignaggi in that circumstances. An "A" class fighter should definitely defeat a one handed fighter without a punchers chance of even flooring him. That said, Ricky fighting pacman is whole different story. His fighting a guy with power and speed in both hands unlike Malignaggi cotton right hand. What I'm trying to say to you guys is that you shouldn't be impressed with ricky's win over Malignaggi. His right hand rarely used during the fight making it a suspected broken right fist with no power. A one handed fighter that night is so readable by the likes of ricky. I don't think a two handed fighter with power in the likes of pacman is easy to read by hatton. Case in pt, Ricky didn't prove anything fighting a 1 handed fighter while Manny has stunned us with his brilliance in his last fight. That's where you can see who's a better fighter between the two. A handicap fighter fighting with 1 hand was Hatton's opponent that night, he was just their to boost hatton's confidence for super fights. But that said Hatton's last 2 fights weren't brilliant so go figure if his still good in your eyes:rolleyes:
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
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Spoon23
If you want to assess a fighters "present" skill status you best check out his previous fight. Malignaggi was Hatton's last fight. So was that fight an impressive win for Hatton? Knowing the facts we can really see a telling story about how good he really was that night. After the loss with money may, I believe his last 2 fight wasn't at all that impressive. Most especially if you breakdown what really happened during that fight.
People failed to remember, Malignaggi right hand was always injured through the course of his career making it really brittle the more he fought, and as you can see during the fight his right hand had no power to hurt ricky. Watching that fight again, Malignaggi wasnt the old relentless style fighter that he was, but a left hand "one handed jabber fighter" the whole fight and rarely brought out his brittle right hand on the table. Making it clearly a suspected brittle right hand as stated by Emanual steward during the fight. He was a one handed fighter that night. Ricky should definitely stop Malignaggi in that circumstances. An "A" class fighter should definitely defeat a one handed fighter without a punchers chance of even flooring him. That said, Ricky fighting pacman is whole different story. His fighting a guy with power and speed in both hands unlike Malignaggi cotton right hand. What I'm trying to say to you guys is that you shouldn't be impressed with ricky's win over Malignaggi. His right hand rarely used during the fight making it a suspected broken right fist with no power. A one handed fighter that night is so readable by the likes of ricky. I don't think a two handed fighter with power in the likes of pacman is easy to read by hatton. Case in pt, Ricky didn't prove jAck **** fighting a 1 handed fighter while manny has stunned us with his brilliance in his last fight. That's where you can see who's a better fighter between the two. A handicap fighter fighting with 1 hand was Hatton's opponent that night, he was just their to boost hatton's confidence for super fights. But that said Hatton's last 2 fights weren't brilliant so go figure if his still good in your eyes:rolleyes:
Yawn. :rolleyes:
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
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miles
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Originally Posted by
Spoon23
If you want to assess a fighters "present" skill status you best check out his previous fight. Malignaggi was Hatton's last fight. So was that fight an impressive win for Hatton? Knowing the facts we can really see a telling story about how good he really was that night. After the loss with money may, I believe his last 2 fight wasn't at all that impressive. Most especially if you breakdown what really happened during that fight.
People failed to remember, Malignaggi right hand was always injured through the course of his career making it really brittle the more he fought, and as you can see during the fight his right hand had no power to hurt ricky. Watching that fight again, Malignaggi wasnt the old relentless style fighter that he was, but a left hand "one handed jabber fighter" the whole fight and rarely brought out his brittle right hand on the table. Making it clearly a suspected brittle right hand as stated by Emanual steward during the fight. He was a one handed fighter that night. Ricky should definitely stop Malignaggi in that circumstances. An "A" class fighter should definitely defeat a one handed fighter without a punchers chance of even flooring him. That said, Ricky fighting pacman is whole different story. His fighting a guy with power and speed in both hands unlike Malignaggi cotton right hand. What I'm trying to say to you guys is that you shouldn't be impressed with ricky's win over Malignaggi. His right hand rarely used during the fight making it a suspected broken right fist with no power. A one handed fighter that night is so readable by the likes of ricky. I don't think a two handed fighter with power in the likes of pacman is easy to read by hatton. Case in pt, Ricky didn't prove jAck **** fighting a 1 handed fighter while manny has stunned us with his brilliance in his last fight. That's where you can see who's a better fighter between the two. A handicap fighter fighting with 1 hand was Hatton's opponent that night, he was just their to boost hatton's confidence for super fights. But that said Hatton's last 2 fights weren't brilliant so go figure if his still good in your eyes:rolleyes:
Yawn. :rolleyes:
Styles make fights and every fighter has a bad night when it comes to boxing so to judge a fighter by his last performance is bullshit.
For example just look at Mosleys last performace against Mayorga, Mosley struggled with Mayorgas unorthodox style and didnt look half the fighter we are used to seeing in the ring and when he took the fight with Margarito whos last fight was one of the best wins of his career with the stoppage of Cotto hardley anyone (me included and im a massive Mosley fan) gave Shane a chance let alone to KO Margarito. Never judge a fighter by there last performance.
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
If you based it on their respective last fights, Hatton's accomplishment pales in comparison to PAC...
Even if we based it on the last 2 fights; Hatton's performance over Malignaggi and Lazcano compared to PAC's performance over Hoya and Diaz, there's no comparison...
If we rank Hatton compared to PAC's last 2 opponent, it might look like this:
Hoya
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Hatton
Diaz
If we rank PAC compared to Hatton's last 2 opponent, it might look like this:
PAC
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Lazcano / Malignaggi
There's really no comparison... That's why I think Hatton will be beaten very badly by PAC on this fight...
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
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Originally Posted by
Spoon23
If you want to assess a fighters "present" skill status you best check out his previous fight. Malignaggi was Hatton's last fight. So was that fight an impressive win for Hatton? Knowing the facts we can really see a telling story about how good he really was that night. After the loss with money may, I believe his last 2 fight wasn't at all that impressive. Most especially if you breakdown what really happened during that fight.
People failed to remember, Malignaggi right hand was always injured through the course of his career making it really brittle the more he fought, and as you can see during the fight his right hand had no power to hurt ricky. Watching that fight again, Malignaggi wasnt the old relentless style fighter that he was, but a left hand "one handed jabber fighter" the whole fight and rarely brought out his brittle right hand on the table. Making it clearly a suspected brittle right hand as stated by Emanual steward during the fight. He was a one handed fighter that night. Ricky should definitely stop Malignaggi in that circumstances. An "A" class fighter should definitely defeat a one handed fighter without a punchers chance of even flooring him. That said, Ricky fighting pacman is whole different story. His fighting a guy with power and speed in both hands unlike Malignaggi cotton right hand. What I'm trying to say to you guys is that you shouldn't be impressed with ricky's win over Malignaggi. His right hand rarely used during the fight making it a suspected broken right fist with no power. A one handed fighter that night is so readable by the likes of ricky. I don't think a two handed fighter with power in the likes of pacman is easy to read by hatton. Case in pt, Ricky didn't prove jAck **** fighting a 1 handed fighter while manny has stunned us with his brilliance in his last fight. That's where you can see who's a better fighter between the two. A handicap fighter fighting with 1 hand was Hatton's opponent that night, he was just their to boost hatton's confidence for super fights. But that said Hatton's last 2 fights weren't brilliant so go figure if his still good in your eyes:rolleyes:
3 posts, all new threads and all about Hatton, looking a bit like a troll here. You haven't been here before by any chance have you ;)
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
What would you say is a bigger hinderance....sore right hand or being severley weight-drained.
Collazo fractured his hand against Mosley yet people give Shane credit for it.
Paulie broke his right hand against Cotto yet everyone claims how good a beat down it was (it was quite a close fight on the cards).
So yeah, good post :rolleyes:
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
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Boxerharvey
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Spoon23
If you want to assess a fighters "present" skill status you best check out his previous fight. Malignaggi was Hatton's last fight. So was that fight an impressive win for Hatton? Knowing the facts we can really see a telling story about how good he really was that night. After the loss with money may, I believe his last 2 fight wasn't at all that impressive. Most especially if you breakdown what really happened during that fight.
People failed to remember, Malignaggi right hand was always injured through the course of his career making it really brittle the more he fought, and as you can see during the fight his right hand had no power to hurt ricky. Watching that fight again, Malignaggi wasnt the old relentless style fighter that he was, but a left hand "one handed jabber fighter" the whole fight and rarely brought out his brittle right hand on the table. Making it clearly a suspected brittle right hand as stated by Emanual steward during the fight. He was a one handed fighter that night. Ricky should definitely stop Malignaggi in that circumstances. An "A" class fighter should definitely defeat a one handed fighter without a punchers chance of even flooring him. That said, Ricky fighting pacman is whole different story. His fighting a guy with power and speed in both hands unlike Malignaggi cotton right hand. What I'm trying to say to you guys is that you shouldn't be impressed with ricky's win over Malignaggi. His right hand rarely used during the fight making it a suspected broken right fist with no power. A one handed fighter that night is so readable by the likes of ricky. I don't think a two handed fighter with power in the likes of pacman is easy to read by hatton. Case in pt, Ricky didn't prove jAck **** fighting a 1 handed fighter while manny has stunned us with his brilliance in his last fight. That's where you can see who's a better fighter between the two. A handicap fighter fighting with 1 hand was Hatton's opponent that night, he was just their to boost hatton's confidence for super fights. But that said Hatton's last 2 fights weren't brilliant so go figure if his still good in your eyes:rolleyes:
Yawn. :rolleyes:
Styles make fights and every fighter has a bad night when it comes to boxing so to judge a fighter by his last performance is bullshit.
For example just look at Mosleys last performace against Mayorga, Mosley struggled with Mayorgas unorthodox style and didnt look half the fighter we are used to seeing in the ring and when he took the fight with Margarito whos last fight was one of the best wins of his career with the stoppage of Cotto hardley anyone (me included and im a massive Mosley fan) gave Shane a chance let alone to KO Margarito. Never judge a fighter by there last performance.
Mate, I believe styles makes fights. What you didn't understand is regarding my post that I'm just trying to tell the readers Hatton's last fight shouldn't be considered great. Hatton fought a one handed fighter making him looked brilliant in the fight, but really was he? knowing his oponnent was handicaped fighting a 1 handed fighter do you still consider that fight an amazing achievment for ricky?. And based on Hatton's previous 2 fights before his fights with malignaggi. You think he did good to. Just stating that watching past 'recent' fights would tell if a fighter is declining or stagnant or improving. I guess for me Hatton seem to be stagnant or declining even with the help of may senior.
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
Spoon23:
Are you Moono's brother?
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
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Spoon23
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Originally Posted by
Boxerharvey
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miles
Yawn. :rolleyes:
Styles make fights and every fighter has a bad night when it comes to boxing so to judge a fighter by his last performance is bullshit.
For example just look at Mosleys last performace against Mayorga, Mosley struggled with Mayorgas unorthodox style and didnt look half the fighter we are used to seeing in the ring and when he took the fight with Margarito whos last fight was one of the best wins of his career with the stoppage of Cotto hardley anyone (me included and im a massive Mosley fan) gave Shane a chance let alone to KO Margarito. Never judge a fighter by there last performance.
Mate, I believe styles makes fights. What you didn't understand is regarding my post that I'm just trying to tell the readers Hatton's last fight shouldn't be considered great. Hatton fought a one handed fighter making him looked brilliant in the fight, but really was he? knowing his oponnent was handicaped fighting a 1 handed fighter do you still consider that fight an amazing achievment for ricky?. And based on Hatton's previous 2 fights before his fights with malignaggi. You think he did good to. Just stating that watching past 'recent' fights would tell if a fighter is declining or stagnant or improving. I guess for me Hatton seem to be stagnant or declining even with the help of may senior.
And Pac beat an Oscar who was screwed up on slimming pills or something. What is your point? Oh, the one armed fighter Malignaggi excuse. He did alright for a guy with one hand. :rolleyes:
Pac has struggled at smaller weights with Marquez and Morales.
Hatton has struggled at higher weights against Mayweather and Collazo.
It's a fight with few common opponents to judge from. It's a pick 'em. Just shut up and agree with me.
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Spoon23
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Originally Posted by
Boxerharvey
Styles make fights and every fighter has a bad night when it comes to boxing so to judge a fighter by his last performance is bullshit.
For example just look at Mosleys last performace against Mayorga, Mosley struggled with Mayorgas unorthodox style and didnt look half the fighter we are used to seeing in the ring and when he took the fight with Margarito whos last fight was one of the best wins of his career with the stoppage of Cotto hardley anyone (me included and im a massive Mosley fan) gave Shane a chance let alone to KO Margarito. Never judge a fighter by there last performance.
Mate, I believe styles makes fights. What you didn't understand is regarding my post that I'm just trying to tell the readers Hatton's last fight shouldn't be considered great. Hatton fought a one handed fighter making him looked brilliant in the fight, but really was he? knowing his oponnent was handicaped fighting a 1 handed fighter do you still consider that fight an amazing achievment for ricky?. And based on Hatton's previous 2 fights before his fights with malignaggi. You think he did good to. Just stating that watching past 'recent' fights would tell if a fighter is declining or stagnant or improving. I guess for me Hatton seem to be stagnant or declining even with the help of may senior.
And Pac beat an Oscar who was screwed up on slimming pills or something. What is your point? Oh, the one armed fighter Malignaggi excuse. He did alright for a guy with one hand. :rolleyes:
Pac has struggled at smaller weights with Marquez and Morales.
Hatton has struggled at higher weights against Mayweather and Collazo.
It's a fight with few common opponents to judge from. It's a pick 'em. Just shut up and agree with me.
Bro, that's my point. Hatton did pretty good with a one handed fighter. Was that fair? He was actually fighting a 'c' Class fighter that used to be 'b'. Just to eleborate 'c' class coz he is now a one handed fighter getz?? It was just a confidence boost for him. Regarding Oscar's slimming pills. Didn't pacman start 2008 at 130lbs to fight marquez, and on december 8 jumping to 147, so even if you tell me he was weight drained which delahoya clearly said on 24/7 his in his best form of his life. Everything was 'even' come fight night. Manny is no welter, but he beat a legit welter even if his weight drained. Manny went up 17 lbs. even if you think delahoya was a slim guy was still the bigger guy so if you based it on handicaps Dlh vs Pacman was about even that night. Who won that fight was the better guy period. peace =) And pac struggling at lower weights, didn't you notice pacs evolution, his getting better, hasn't peacked yet. Hence, pac struggled with morales on there first fight factor in pacs cut in the eye almost knocking morales down on the 12. Then beating him up on the 2nd and 3rd fight shows his evolution. About marquez which pac floored 3 times on the first fight to get a draw and then after four years got knocked dwn again on the 3rd round and almost goes down on the 10th, but it was close but what larry merchant said thast night marquez brothers always seem to come out short against the better fighhters. That said marquez is no pushover that's why his rated 2nd pound for pound now that calzahe is away. See my point just admit the facts mate. Hatton is an underdog but for every fighter, they all have a chance of winning but slimmer though. Yawn lol
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
Am I the only one who saw this part of it "Maliignaggi wasnt the old relentless style fighter that he was" :confused:
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
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Spoon23
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Spoon23
Mate, I believe styles makes fights. What you didn't understand is regarding my post that I'm just trying to tell the readers Hatton's last fight shouldn't be considered great. Hatton fought a one handed fighter making him looked brilliant in the fight, but really was he? knowing his oponnent was handicaped fighting a 1 handed fighter do you still consider that fight an amazing achievment for ricky?. And based on Hatton's previous 2 fights before his fights with malignaggi. You think he did good to. Just stating that watching past 'recent' fights would tell if a fighter is declining or stagnant or improving. I guess for me Hatton seem to be stagnant or declining even with the help of may senior.
And Pac beat an Oscar who was screwed up on slimming pills or something. What is your point? Oh, the one armed fighter Malignaggi excuse. He did alright for a guy with one hand. :rolleyes:
Pac has struggled at smaller weights with Marquez and Morales.
Hatton has struggled at higher weights against Mayweather and Collazo.
It's a fight with few common opponents to judge from. It's a pick 'em. Just shut up and agree with me.
Bro, that's my point. Hatton did pretty good with a one handed fighter. Was that fair? He was actually fighting a 'c' Class fighter that used to be 'b'. Just to eleborate 'c' class coz he is now a one handed fighter getz?? It was just a confidence boost for him. Regarding Oscar's slimming pills. Didn't pacman start 2008 at 130lbs to fight marquez, and on december 8 jumping to 147, so even if you tell me he was weight drained which delahoya clearly said on 24/7 his in his best form of his life. Everything was 'even' come fight night. Manny is no welter, but he beat a legit welter even if his weight drained. Manny went up 17 lbs. even if you think delahoya was a slim guy was still the bigger guy so if you based it on handicaps Dlh vs Pacman was about even that night. Who won that fight was the better guy period. peace =) And pac struggling at lower weights, didn't you notice pacs evolution, his getting better, hasn't peacked yet. Hence, pac struggled with morales on there first fight factor in pacs cut in the eye almost knocking morales down on the 12. Then beating him up on the 2nd and 3rd fight shows his evolution. About marquez which pac floored 3 times on the first fight to get a draw and then after four years got knocked dwn again on the 3rd round and almost goes down on the 10th, but it was close but what larry merchant said thast night marquez brothers always seem to come out short against the better fighhters. That said marquez is no pushover that's why his rated 2nd pound for pound now that calzahe is away. See my point just admit the facts mate. Hatton is an underdog but for every fighter, they all have a chance of winning but slimmer though. Yawn lol
I didn't actually agree with you there btw. I was just trying to show how your completely one sided job isn't a reflection of reality, except inside your head.
If you believe what DLH says on a 24/7 then that is automatic proof that your opinion is worthless. You are one seriously gullible mutt. And you should learn the art of the paragraph. Your writing style insults my eyes.
Yawn! :rolleyes:
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Is this Ice's new personality :-\
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
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miles
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Spoon23
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miles
And Pac beat an Oscar who was screwed up on slimming pills or something. What is your point? Oh, the one armed fighter Malignaggi excuse. He did alright for a guy with one hand. :rolleyes:
Pac has struggled at smaller weights with Marquez and Morales.
Hatton has struggled at higher weights against Mayweather and Collazo.
It's a fight with few common opponents to judge from. It's a pick 'em. Just shut up and agree with me.
Bro, that's my point. Hatton did pretty good with a one handed fighter. Was that fair? He was actually fighting a 'c' Class fighter that used to be 'b'. Just to eleborate 'c' class coz he is now a one handed fighter getz?? It was just a confidence boost for him. Regarding Oscar's slimming pills. Didn't pacman start 2008 at 130lbs to fight marquez, and on december 8 jumping to 147, so even if you tell me he was weight drained which delahoya clearly said on 24/7 his in his best form of his life. Everything was 'even' come fight night. Manny is no welter, but he beat a legit welter even if his weight drained. Manny went up 17 lbs. even if you think delahoya was a slim guy was still the bigger guy so if you based it on handicaps Dlh vs Pacman was about even that night. Who won that fight was the better guy period. peace =) And pac struggling at lower weights, didn't you notice pacs evolution, his getting better, hasn't peacked yet. Hence, pac struggled with morales on there first fight factor in pacs cut in the eye almost knocking morales down on the 12. Then beating him up on the 2nd and 3rd fight shows his evolution. About marquez which pac floored 3 times on the first fight to get a draw and then after four years got knocked dwn again on the 3rd round and almost goes down on the 10th, but it was close but what larry merchant said thast night marquez brothers always seem to come out short against the better fighhters. That said marquez is no pushover that's why his rated 2nd pound for pound now that calzahe is away. See my point just admit the facts mate. Hatton is an underdog but for every fighter, they all have a chance of winning but slimmer though. Yawn lol
I didn't actually agree with you there btw. I was just trying to show how your completely one sided job isn't a reflection of reality, except inside your head.
If you believe what DLH says on a 24/7 then that is automatic proof that your opinion is worthless. You are one seriously gullible mutt. And you should learn the art of the paragraph. Your writing style insults my eyes.
Yawn! :rolleyes:
Mate don't you understand simple english?? I said even if you tell me he was weight drained or better yet oscar saying his in his best form but he really was 'not'. They both where coming in the ring handicapped. Pac coming up 17 lbs and Dlh coming dwn to 147. So both fighters met halfway. 'Even steven' comprende?? Don't think you would understand, but at least i tried to squeeze some more intellect in that brain of yours. Cheers!!
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Do I not understand simple English?! ;D
Now that makes me laugh. Your last post offered me little beyond the most futile of insults. Now, 'mate' as you ever so eloquently put it, you have Pac stepping in against Hatton who always fights at 140. And you pitch Pac in there at 140. Much more even isn't it? There are no excuses are there? :)
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Re: "Hatton's Last Fight with Malignaggi breakdown"
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Spoon23
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miles
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Spoon23
Bro, that's my point. Hatton did pretty good with a one handed fighter. Was that fair? He was actually fighting a 'c' Class fighter that used to be 'b'. Just to eleborate 'c' class coz he is now a one handed fighter getz?? It was just a confidence boost for him. Regarding Oscar's slimming pills. Didn't pacman start 2008 at 130lbs to fight marquez, and on december 8 jumping to 147, so even if you tell me he was weight drained which delahoya clearly said on 24/7 his in his best form of his life. Everything was 'even' come fight night. Manny is no welter, but he beat a legit welter even if his weight drained. Manny went up 17 lbs. even if you think delahoya was a slim guy was still the bigger guy so if you based it on handicaps Dlh vs Pacman was about even that night. Who won that fight was the better guy period. peace =) And pac struggling at lower weights, didn't you notice pacs evolution, his getting better, hasn't peacked yet. Hence, pac struggled with morales on there first fight factor in pacs cut in the eye almost knocking morales down on the 12. Then beating him up on the 2nd and 3rd fight shows his evolution. About marquez which pac floored 3 times on the first fight to get a draw and then after four years got knocked dwn again on the 3rd round and almost goes down on the 10th, but it was close but what larry merchant said thast night marquez brothers always seem to come out short against the better fighhters. That said marquez is no pushover that's why his rated 2nd pound for pound now that calzahe is away. See my point just admit the facts mate. Hatton is an underdog but for every fighter, they all have a chance of winning but slimmer though. Yawn lol
I didn't actually agree with you there btw. I was just trying to show how your completely one sided job isn't a reflection of reality, except inside your head.
If you believe what DLH says on a 24/7 then that is automatic proof that your opinion is worthless. You are one seriously gullible mutt. And you should learn the art of the paragraph. Your writing style insults my eyes.
Yawn! :rolleyes:
Mate don't you understand simple english?? I said even if you tell me he was weight drained or better yet oscar saying his in his best form but he really was 'not'. They both where coming in the ring handicapped. Pac coming up 17 lbs and Dlh coming dwn to 147. So both fighters met halfway. 'Even steven' comprende?? Don't think you would understand, but at least i tried to squeeze some more intellect in that brain of yours. Cheers!!
I'm sorry, but if you told one guy to gain 17 lbs if he felt like it, and told another guy to lose 17 lbs, that does not make it an even fight.
That's the worst logic I have even heard.
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Spoon23
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miles
I didn't actually agree with you there btw. I was just trying to show how your completely one sided job isn't a reflection of reality, except inside your head.
If you believe what DLH says on a 24/7 then that is automatic proof that your opinion is worthless. You are one seriously gullible mutt. And you should learn the art of the paragraph. Your writing style insults my eyes.
Yawn! :rolleyes:
Mate don't you understand simple english?? I said even if you tell me he was weight drained or better yet oscar saying his in his best form but he really was 'not'. They both where coming in the ring handicapped. Pac coming up 17 lbs and Dlh coming dwn to 147. So both fighters met halfway. 'Even steven' comprende?? Don't think you would understand,
but at least i tried to squeeze some more intellect in that brain of yours. Cheers!!
I'm sorry, but if you told one guy to gain 17 lbs if he felt like it, and told another guy to lose 17 lbs, that does not make it an even fight.
That's the worst logic I have even heard.
But watch out for the intellect he will squeeze into your brain! ;D;D
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miles
Do I not understand simple English?! ;D
Now that makes me laugh. Your last post offered me little beyond the most futile of insults. Now, 'mate' as you ever so eloquently put it, you have Pac stepping in against Hatton who always fights at 140. And you pitch Pac in there at 140. Much more even isn't it? There are no excuses are there? :)
So I guess you want more of the truth. Who's the natural bigger guy really?? Here, knowing that staying in a division longer gives you an advantage in natural size Hatton should have the advantage, but as Larry Merchant put if their is one guy who can move up in weight like henry armstrong did its pacman. The guy is unique. His an exemption to the rule. His the only guy who can pull it.
Fact, which I don't think you know. Pac has been sparring with welter weights and middle weights for quite sometime now. Over 3 years now. Fact his last weigh in before a fight was 142lbs, while hatton's last was 140.
Fact, power generates from the legs going up to the torso the arms then to the fist so bigger stronger legs is a plus. Guess who has bigger calf muscle? again its manny.
Fact, in finding a puncher a trainer checks the size of the wrist. Guess who has the bigger wrist? again its Manny.
Reach, neck, chest still its manny's bigger mate.
Other parts of the body its even aside from hatton's 1" height advantage which i''m sure you would think is huge =)
Fact, manny has been known to be a puncher from the start of his career. Climbing in weight lessened his impact but you would be a hair brain to think he doesn't pack a wallop @ 140. All said their pretty even in strength, Are you familiar with the equation speed x power= velocity, So lets say for argument sake hatton is naturally stronger. But with manny speed and enough power it creates the same power output as Hatton coz of the velocity of punch that generates on it.
I believe its already a fact that Pacman is faster than Hatton, might be new news for you lol.
Simple really having a truck (hatton) hit the wall @ 40mph(speed of hatton) is equal to the velocity of a car (pacman) @ 120mph (speed of pacman). Their you go so scientificly broken down. Their both even becuase even if Hatton is naturally bigger pac has more speed. So hitting the wall would be just the same force. Cheers!!
Roach btw said, at this point of his career manny is a natural 140 pounder. You know why? as you grow old as every one does you get heavier.
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I didn't actually agree with you there btw. I was just trying to show how your completely one sided job isn't a reflection of reality, except inside your head.
If you believe what DLH says on a 24/7 then that is automatic proof that your opinion is worthless. You are one seriously gullible mutt. And you should learn the art of the paragraph. Your writing style insults my eyes.
Yawn! :rolleyes:
Mate don't you understand simple english?? I said even if you tell me he was weight drained or better yet oscar saying his in his best form but he really was 'not'. They both where coming in the ring handicapped. Pac coming up 17 lbs and Dlh coming dwn to 147. So both fighters met halfway. 'Even steven' comprende?? Don't think you would understand, but at least i tried to squeeze some more intellect in that brain of yours. Cheers!!
I'm sorry, but if you told one guy to gain 17 lbs if he felt like it, and told another guy to lose 17 lbs, that does not make it an even fight.
That's the worst logic I have even heard.
Mate its not like pacman was used to that weight '147' He jumped 17 lbs that is a feat in in itself. That's Henry armstrong category bro. Manny started @ 112 and fought dlh @ 147 Knowing that fighting Dlh at 147 still not an even match even 'if' he was weight drained. Fact Hatton even said Dlh looked good in the scales the day before the fight making the betting odds for Dlh. You see its just how manny dismantled Dlh. If it was lesser fighter, Dlh would have survived like how he did with steve forbes. Larry Merchant even mentioned its not the age but the style that did it for Oscar. Manny was simply the better man. Even in sentana sports, Hatton said 'brilliant' so many times. Manny was just that good on that night. The commentator said every fighter preps up for a fight. A weight drained fighter means he has to shell out a lot of pounds of the day of the weigh-in. That wasn't the case for oscar he was floating around 145 lbs during training as seen on 24/7. So he didn't have to lose weight during the weight-in. He was really slim from eating kangaroo meat. There you go.
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Do I not understand simple English?! ;D
Now that makes me laugh. Your last post offered me little beyond the most futile of insults. Now, 'mate' as you ever so eloquently put it, you have Pac stepping in against Hatton who always fights at 140. And you pitch Pac in there at 140. Much more even isn't it? There are no excuses are there? :)
So I guess you want more of the truth. Who's the natural bigger guy really?? Here, knowing that staying in a division longer gives you an advantage in natural size Hatton should have the advantage, but as Larry Merchant put if their is one guy who can move up in weight like henry armstrong did its pacman. The guy is unique. His an exemption to the rule. His the only guy who can pull it.
Fact, which I don't think you know. Pac has been sparring with welter weights and middle for quite sometime now. Over to 3 years now. Fact his last wiegh in was 142lbs, while hatton's last was 140.
Fact, power generates from the legs going up to the torso the arms then to the fist so bigger stronger legs is a plus. Guess who has bigger calf muscle? again its manny.
Fact, in finding a puncher a trainer checks the size of the wrist. Guess who has the bigger wrist? again its Manny.
Reach, neck, chest still its manny's bigger mate.
Other parts of the body its even aside from hatton's 1' height advantage which i''m sure you would think is huge =)
Fact, manny has been known to be a puncher from the start of his career. Climbing in weight lessened his impact but you would be a hair brain to think he doesn't pack a wallop @ 140. All said their pretty even in strength, Are you familiar with the equation speed x power= velocity, So lets say for argument sake hatton is naturally stronger. But with manny speed and enough power it creats the same power output as Hatton coz of the velocity of punch that generates on it.
I belive its already a fact that pacman is faster than manny, might be new news for you lol.
Simple really having a truck ( hatton) hit the wall @ 40mph is equal to the velocity of a car (pacman) @ 120mph (speed of pacman). Their you go so scientificly broken down. Cheers
Roach btw said, at this point of his career manny is a natural 140 pounder. You know why? as you grow old as every one does you get heavier.
You totally and utterly underwhelm me and bore me. You may as well be a scientologist. Please do not call me mate, either. I don't like you. You are not my mate. And your useless facts are useless, you don't know anything about boxing.
Oh Roach, said this....oh, grow a testicle. :rolleyes:
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I'm not sure if anyone else posted this but Paulie fought Cotto with one hand to much better success than he had against Hatton, he landed easier, he hit less, he actually dominated the fight and didn't let Paulie turn it into a clinchfest like he did against Cotto, the reason Hatton was able to do this was because of his terrific footspeed, he could get back out in situations where Cotto couldn't, that is why IMO he was a bigger challenge for Mayweather potentially, and maybe for Pacquiao.
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Do I not understand simple English?! ;D
Now that makes me laugh. Your last post offered me little beyond the most futile of insults. Now, 'mate' as you ever so eloquently put it, you have Pac stepping in against Hatton who always fights at 140. And you pitch Pac in there at 140. Much more even isn't it? There are no excuses are there? :)
So I guess you want more of the truth. Who's the natural bigger guy really?? Here, knowing that staying in a division longer gives you an advantage in natural size Hatton should have the advantage, but as Larry Merchant put if their is one guy who can move up in weight like henry armstrong did its pacman. The guy is unique. His an exemption to the rule. His the only guy who can pull it.
Fact, which I don't think you know. Pac has been sparring with welter weights and middle for quite sometime now. Over to 3 years now. Fact his last wiegh in was 142lbs, while hatton's last was 140.
Fact, power generates from the legs going up to the torso the arms then to the fist so bigger stronger legs is a plus. Guess who has bigger calf muscle? again its manny.
Fact, in finding a puncher a trainer checks the size of the wrist. Guess who has the bigger wrist? again its Manny.
Reach, neck, chest still its manny's bigger mate.
Other parts of the body its even aside from hatton's 1' height advantage which i''m sure you would think is huge =)
Fact, manny has been known to be a puncher from the start of his career. Climbing in weight lessened his impact but you would be a hair brain to think he doesn't pack a wallop @ 140. All said their pretty even in strength, Are you familiar with the equation speed x power= velocity, So lets say for argument sake hatton is naturally stronger. But with manny speed and enough power it creats the same power output as Hatton coz of the velocity of punch that generates on it.
I belive its already a fact that pacman is faster than manny, might be new news for you lol.
Simple really having a truck ( hatton) hit the wall @ 40mph is equal to the velocity of a car (pacman) @ 120mph (speed of pacman). Their you go so scientificly broken down. Cheers
Roach btw said, at this point of his career manny is a natural 140 pounder. You know why? as you grow old as every one does you get heavier.
You totally and utterly underwhelm me and bore me. You may as well be a scientologist. Please do not call me mate, either. I don't like you. You are not my mate. And your useless facts are useless, you don't know anything about boxing.
Oh Roach, said this....oh, grow a testicle. :rolleyes:
Well, I don't even think you even tried boxing in your life. Don't think you even know the basics of being a fighter. Grow a testicle?? Geez, are we in 3rd grade again lol.. If you enjoy boxing so much as any hobby you take, base it on facts on knowledge of whatever hobby that you might part take. Boxing is called 'sweet science' I believe its only now you knew about this? At least its the first step in becoming more knowledgable of the sport you like. Boxing for all the violence has a science to it.
I like Hatton as a fighter just that fighting manny his really an underdog going into this fight. Nothing bad about that. Manny was an underdog so many times in his career, but he rose to the challenge and beat the odds. If you like your boy so much pray that he beats the odds I guess hehe..
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I'm not sure if anyone else posted this but Paulie fought Cotto with one hand to much better success than he had against Hatton, he landed easier, he hit less, he actually dominated the fight and didn't let Paulie turn it into a clinchfest like he did against Cotto, the reason Hatton was able to do this was because of his terrific footspeed, he could get back out in situations where Cotto couldn't, that is why IMO he was a bigger challenge for Mayweather potentially, and maybe for Pacquiao.
But Paulie's hands had wear and tear, so when it was hatton's turn to fight paulie it was nonexistent. Paulie's right hand was never there. Watch it again. His right hand rarely came out. Even if it did it wouldn't have hurt hatton. Powerless right hand. Watch it he was fighting with his left the whole time, not paulie's game or any fighter to come inand fight with one hand. But you can see he just couldn't use it, its injured for sure. He clearly knows he has no more right hand he was there for the money.
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I think some people don't give Paulie half the credit he deserves, he is one tough guy. He took a ass whopping from Cotto but he made it through to the end, he even rocked Cotto 2 or 3 times... He took alot of solid punches from Ricky also which had him holding on for dear life but he still took them standing.
I honestly believe if Paulie had the power of others in the division he could easily be a top 10 p4p, he has the chin, the speed, the slickness, the defense, all he lacks is the power.
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I think some people don't give Paulie half the credit he deserves, he is one tough guy. He took a ass whopping from Cotto but he made it through to the end, he even rocked Cotto 2 or 3 times... He took alot of solid punches from Ricky also which had him holding on for dear life but he still took them standing.
I honestly believe if Paulie had the power of others in the division he could easily be a top 10 p4p, he has the chin, the speed, the slickness, the defense, all he lacks is the power.
And a good healthy right fist:) I'm not discrediting Paulie as a fighter he used to be good. But fighting has taken it toll on his right hand. Its brittle and often broken, hence the one handed fighter that he is now. Left jabber fighter that's all he is now. He better retire soon.
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Bro, that's my point. Hatton did pretty good with a one handed fighter. Was that fair? He was actually fighting a 'c' Class fighter that used to be 'b'. Just to eleborate 'c' class coz he is now a one handed fighter getz?? It was just a confidence boost for him. Regarding Oscar's slimming pills. Didn't pacman start 2008 at 130lbs to fight marquez, and on december 8 jumping to 147, so even if you tell me he was weight drained which delahoya clearly said on 24/7 his in his best form of his life. Everything was 'even' come fight night. Manny is no welter, but he beat a legit welter even if his weight drained. Manny went up 17 lbs. even if you think delahoya was a slim guy was still the bigger guy so if you based it on handicaps Dlh vs Pacman was about even that night. Who won that fight was the better guy period. peace =) And pac struggling at lower weights, didn't you notice pacs evolution, his getting better, hasn't peacked yet. Hence, pac struggled with morales on there first fight factor in pacs cut in the eye almost knocking morales down on the 12. Then beating him up on the 2nd and 3rd fight shows his evolution. About marquez which pac floored 3 times on the first fight to get a draw and then after four years got knocked dwn again on the 3rd round and almost goes down on the 10th, but it was close but what larry merchant said thast night marquez brothers always seem to come out short against the better fighhters. That said marquez is no pushover that's why his rated 2nd pound for pound now that calzahe is away. See my point just admit the facts mate. Hatton is an underdog but for every fighter, they all have a chance of winning but slimmer though. Yawn lol
I didn't actually agree with you there btw. I was just trying to show how your completely one sided job isn't a reflection of reality, except inside your head.
If you believe what DLH says on a 24/7 then that is automatic proof that your opinion is worthless. You are one seriously gullible mutt. And you should learn the art of the paragraph. Your writing style insults my eyes.
Yawn! :rolleyes:
Mate don't you understand simple english?? I said even if you tell me he was weight drained or better yet oscar saying his in his best form but he really was 'not'. They both where coming in the ring handicapped.
Pac coming up 17 lbs and Dlh coming dwn to 147. So both fighters met halfway. 'Even steven' comprende?? Don't think you would understand, but at least i tried to squeeze some more intellect in that brain of yours. Cheers!!
Not too good at maths eh? Pac went from 135 to 147. That's 12 lbs ;)
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I think some people don't give Paulie half the credit he deserves, he is one tough guy. He took a ass whopping from Cotto but he made it through to the end, he even rocked Cotto 2 or 3 times... He took alot of solid punches from Ricky also which had him holding on for dear life but he still took them standing.
I honestly believe if Paulie had the power of others in the division he could easily be a top 10 p4p, he has the chin, the speed, the slickness, the defense, all he lacks is the power.
And a good healthy right fist:) I'm not discrediting Paulie as a fighter he used to be good. But fighting has taken it toll on his right hand. Its brittle and often broken, hence the one handed fighter that he is now. Left jabber fighter that's all he is now. He better retire soon.
after all that bullshit you just been on about, can i ask whats ur prediction for the foght
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by the way spoon 23 u sound like an absolute tool
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I didn't actually agree with you there btw. I was just trying to show how your completely one sided job isn't a reflection of reality, except inside your head.
If you believe what DLH says on a 24/7 then that is automatic proof that your opinion is worthless. You are one seriously gullible mutt. And you should learn the art of the paragraph. Your writing style insults my eyes.
Yawn! :rolleyes:
Mate don't you understand simple english?? I said even if you tell me he was weight drained or better yet oscar saying his in his best form but he really was 'not'. They both where coming in the ring handicapped.
Pac coming up 17 lbs and Dlh coming dwn to 147. So both fighters met halfway. 'Even steven' comprende?? Don't think you would understand, but at least i tried to squeeze some more intellect in that brain of yours. Cheers!!
Not too good at maths eh? Pac went from 135 to 147. That's 12 lbs ;)
Mate I meant to say that pac started @ 130lbs early 2008 and he was previously fighting @126lbs in 2007 just to note. Went up north to 147lbs on december 8 2008 to fight Delahoya. So that's actually 17 pounds considering He started that year campaigning at 130lbs at the start of the year. Heard about Henry Armstrong? Thats what Pac Did, Fighting 3 divisions in 1 year, hence the 17 lbs ;)
And just to add in 2007 he was fighting @ featherweight which was 126lbs. So you see, Pacman jumped so high to reach delahoya @ 147. Still think Delahoya is the handicap of the two? Cheers!
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I think some people don't give Paulie half the credit he deserves, he is one tough guy. He took a ass whopping from Cotto but he made it through to the end, he even rocked Cotto 2 or 3 times... He took alot of solid punches from Ricky also which had him holding on for dear life but he still took them standing.
I honestly believe if Paulie had the power of others in the division he could easily be a top 10 p4p, he has the chin, the speed, the slickness, the defense, all he lacks is the power.
And a good healthy right fist:) I'm not discrediting Paulie as a fighter he used to be good. But fighting has taken it toll on his right hand. Its brittle and often broken, hence the one handed fighter that he is now. Left jabber fighter that's all he is now. He better retire soon.
after all that bullshit you just been on about, can i ask whats ur prediction for the foght
My predictions, both have a shot of winning it. But as I have said, Hatton is the underdog hear.If Hatton wins it would have to be a phone booth exchange, but I don't see that happening coz of pacmans footwork. Its going to be Pacman coming in and out throwing bombs all night long. It's a tko on the 9th;)
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Many predicted PAC-Hatton will end inside 9 rounds... and the winner will be PAC via KO/TKO...
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Am I the only one who saw this part of it "Maliignaggi wasnt the old relentless style fighter that he was" :confused:
I guess you and I are the only ones. IMO, Malignaggi was never the same after he got beat up by a one handed Cotto. I guess this is why I did not make such a big deal about Hatton beating Malignaggi. In short, Malignaggi was exposed, has soft hands and what else can you say about the kid?
I did not think much of the Lazcano fight either.
Styles make fights ;D
I am still picking PacMan to win. It might not be that one sided fight I am hoping it will be but none the less, I will pick the under dog ;D Right? PacMan is the underdog here, yes?
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Am I the only one who saw this part of it "Maliignaggi wasnt the old relentless style fighter that he was" :confused:
I guess you and I are the only ones. IMO, Malignaggi was never the same after he got beat up by a one handed Cotto. I guess this is why I did not make such a big deal about Hatton beating Malignaggi. In short, Malignaggi was exposed, has soft hands and what else can you say about the kid?
I did not think much of the Lazcano fight either.
Styles make fights ;D
I am still picking PacMan to win. It might not be that one sided fight I am hoping it will be but none the less, I will pick the under dog ;D Right? PacMan is the underdog here, yes?
Maybe Pac could do a Margarito against Cotto.
An underdog, yet knocked Cotto the FUCKK out!!! :lolhaha:
Though I seriousley doubt Hatton getting beat like Michelle Cotta did, who basically just quit like a true biatch.
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What would you say is a bigger hinderance....sore right hand or being severley weight-drained.
Collazo fractured his hand against Mosley yet people give Shane credit for it.
Paulie broke his right hand against Cotto yet everyone claims how good a beat down it was (it was quite a close fight on the cards).
So yeah, good post :rolleyes:
Dlh wasn't weight drained at all that fight he was just slim from eating kangaroo meat. He was floating around 145lbs during his training as seen on 24/7. A weight drained fighter has to lose extra poundage on the day of the weigh-in. In his case he was not, even ricky mentioned in sentana sports Dlh looked fabulous in the weigh-in. looks hydrated pretty well during the weigh-in.
But if you ask me which is a bigger hindrance, depends really how much he has to lose on the day of the weigh-in. But fighting with 1 hand in boxing is like playing basketball or golf with one hand. You just can't play good. Hence, having a 1 handed fighter is like fighting a novice really. Paulie had no chance for Hatton on that night. He was just their for the money. Hatton should have stopped him even earlier really.
Paulie was cherry picked, as a confidence booster for hatton;D
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Am I the only one who saw this part of it "Maliignaggi wasnt the old relentless style fighter that he was" :confused:
I guess you and I are the only ones. IMO, Malignaggi was never the same after he got beat up by a one handed Cotto. I guess this is why I did not make such a big deal about Hatton beating Malignaggi. In short, Malignaggi was exposed, has soft hands and what else can you say about the kid?
I did not think much of the Lazcano fight either.
Styles make fights ;D
I am still picking PacMan to win. It might not be that one sided fight I am hoping it will be but none the less, I will pick the under dog ;D Right? PacMan is the underdog here, yes?
Maybe Pac could do a Margarito against Cotto.
An underdog, yet knocked Cotto the FUCKK out!!! :lolhaha:
Though I seriousley doubt Hatton getting beat like Michelle Cotta did, who basically just quit like a true biatch.
Tony needed PLASTER to beat Cotto.
Manny will not need any plaster to beat the pink off of Hatton. Hatton will be forced to quit on his stool or get knocked the phuk out by a midget.
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What would you say is a bigger hinderance....sore right hand or being severley weight-drained.
Collazo fractured his hand against Mosley yet people give Shane credit for it.
Paulie broke his right hand against Cotto yet everyone claims how good a beat down it was (it was quite a close fight on the cards).
So yeah, good post :rolleyes:
Paulie did not break his hand against Cotto, it was the other way around. Cotto broke his hand on Paulies face in the 5th. It was a decent beat down considering Cotto broke his hand and came in looking like death himself from dehydration.
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Mate don't you understand simple english?? I said even if you tell me he was weight drained or better yet oscar saying his in his best form but he really was 'not'. They both where coming in the ring handicapped. Pac coming up 17 lbs and Dlh coming dwn to 147. So both fighters met halfway. 'Even steven' comprende?? Don't think you would understand, but at least i tried to squeeze some more intellect in that brain of yours. Cheers!!
I'm sorry, but if you told one guy to gain 17 lbs if he felt like it, and told another guy to lose 17 lbs, that does not make it an even fight.
That's the worst logic I have even heard.
Mate its not like pacman was used to that weight '147' He jumped 17 lbs that is a feat in in itself. That's Henry armstrong category bro. Manny started @ 112 and fought dlh @ 147 Knowing that fighting Dlh at 147 still not an even match even 'if' he was weight drained. Fact Hatton even said Dlh looked good in the scales the day before the fight making the betting odds for Dlh. You see its just how manny dismantled Dlh. If it was lesser fighter, Dlh would have survived like how he did with steve forbes. Larry Merchant even mentioned its not the age but the style that did it for Oscar. Manny was simply the better man. Even in sentana sports, Hatton said 'brilliant' so many times. Manny was just that good on that night. The commentator said every fighter preps up for a fight. A weight drained fighter means he has to shell out a lot of pounds of the day of the weigh-in. That wasn't the case for oscar he was floating around 145 lbs during training as seen on 24/7. So he didn't have to lose weight during the weight-in. He was really slim from eating kangaroo meat. There you go.
Well put. I totally agree with you. As I have been saying, DLH did not have a problem going down in weight. Many may not agree with me but I would attribute Pac's win over DLH to his style and speed. Saying that it was because DLH was weight-drained is total disrespect for Pac's talent.
I see no reason to debate with people who doesn't know how to give respect where it is due.;)
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Paulie had no chance for Hatton on that night. He was just their for the money. Hatton should have stopped him even earlier really.
Paulie was cherry picked, as a confidence booster for hatton;D
Hatton would of stopped him but Paulie held on to Hatton round after round and was getting away with it.
Alot of people were saying Paulie had the style to beat Hatton.
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What would you say is a bigger hinderance....sore right hand or being severley weight-drained.
Collazo fractured his hand against Mosley yet people give Shane credit for it.
Paulie broke his right hand against Cotto yet everyone claims how good a beat down it was (it was quite a close fight on the cards).
So yeah, good post :rolleyes:
Dlh wasn't weight drained at all that fight he was just slim from eating kangaroo meat. He was floating
around 145lbs during his training as seen on 24/7. A weight drained fighter has to lose extra poundage on the day of the weigh-in. In his case he was not, even ricky mentioned in sentana sports Dlh looked fabulous in the weigh-in. looks hydrated pretty well during the weigh-in.
But if you ask me which is a bigger hindrance, depends really how much he has to lose on the day of the weigh-in. But fighting with 1 hand in boxing is like playing basketball or golf with one hand. You just can't play good. Hence, having a 1 handed fighter is like fighting a novice really. Paulie had no chance for Hatton on that night. He was just their for the money. Hatton should have stopped him even earlier really.
Paulie was cherry picked, as a confidence booster for hatton;D
Dude! you are embarrassing yourself...
Weight has a lot to do with body type & age. Ocsar was more 'natural' at 160/154 for his size a maturity. The advantage Pacquiao had going into the fight is that Oscar would have to be 'weight drained' to step into the ring at 147. At 35 years of age he needed the body fat to draw energy from. The intensity level and stress leading up to the fight looks like it wreaked havoc on Oscar. His nutritionist fuked up and left Oscar with no energy for the fight. He's what 2% body fat? 4% to 6% is a proper number for a guy in his prime.
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What would you say is a bigger hinderance....sore right hand or being severley weight-drained.
Collazo fractured his hand against Mosley yet people give Shane credit for it.
Paulie broke his right hand against Cotto yet everyone claims how good a beat down it was (it was quite a close fight on the cards).
So yeah, good post :rolleyes:
Dlh wasn't weight drained at all that fight he was just slim from eating kangaroo meat. He was floating
around 145lbs during his training as seen on 24/7. A weight drained fighter has to lose extra poundage on the day of the weigh-in. In his case he was not, even ricky mentioned in sentana sports Dlh looked fabulous in the weigh-in. looks hydrated pretty well during the weigh-in.
But if you ask me which is a bigger hindrance, depends really how much he has to lose on the day of the weigh-in. But fighting with 1 hand in boxing is like playing basketball or golf with one hand. You just can't play good. Hence, having a 1 handed fighter is like fighting a novice really. Paulie had no chance for Hatton on that night. He was just their for the money. Hatton should have stopped him even earlier really.
Paulie was cherry picked, as a confidence booster for hatton;D
Dude! you are embarrassing yourself...
Weight has a lot to do with body type & age. Ocsar was more 'natural' at 160/154 for his size a maturity. The advantage Pacquiao had going into the fight is that Oscar would have to be 'weight drained' to step into the ring at 147. At 35 years of age he needed the body fat to draw energy from. The intensity level and stress leading up to the fight looks like it wreaked havoc on Oscar. His nutritionist fuked up and left Oscar with no energy for the fight. He's what 2% body fat? 4% to 6% is a proper number for a guy in his prime.
Ricky Hatton was in the weigh-in for Delahoya vs pacman. And during the fight he clearly said I thought Dlh looked fabulous during the weigh-in. So he wasn't dehydrated coming from your famous country man.
And dehydrated means lack of water in the body. Should look pail and gaunt. Didn't happen in the weigh-in Dlh looked good. At the fight when he was walking to the ring to fight he was "sweating" which is a sign that he is very much hydrated.
Your the one embarrassing yourself for telling me He was dehydrated, the correct term to use for Dlh is he was 'malnourished'. He was on the wrong diet plan. Which people having been blaming his nautritionist for his weight, but to say his dehydrated is FALSE. So their you go.
So knowing Pac started his carreer@ 112lbs reaching 147lbs to fight Dlh, and Dlh who fought @154 in his last fight, fought with steve forbes. then had to go down to147lbs to fight Pacman. I believe even if dlh was malnourished (which his not) going down to 147. Pac started 2008 @ 130lbs and previous to that, fought at 126lbs in 2007. And pac started his career at 112lbs. Knowing those facts he had to go up to 147lbs to fight dlh. I think even if dlh wasn't his best. They were both handicapped, even more so for pacman than him. So just for argument sake, they were evenly handicaped going in the fight. Both had to sacrifice something for the fight to happen. Dlh had the best trainer angelo dundee nacho, best nutritionist, best camp sight. He had everything going for him. Its just a matter of who will show up best in the fight. Lets just say they were evenly handicapped even more pronounced for pacman. I believe the guy who won deserved to win. The best man won that fight that night. Even Dlh said that after the fight, dundee, merchant and nacho even said his speed is too much. Why can't you give credit to what pac has accomplish. Nway. peace;)
