De La Hoya on Pacquiao defeat: 'I was embarassed'

Oscar De La Hoya speaks for the first time publicly on the defeat.

Original article taken from Michael Rosenthal at De La Hoya: I wanted him to 'knock me out'

Oscar De La Hoya was too embarrassed to show his face in the weeks following the stunning beating he took from Manny Pacquiao on Dec. 6 in Las Vegas. He has spent his time with his family, mostly in Puerto Rico, pondering what happened that strange night and what the future might hold.

Now, more than two months later, he is willing for the first time to talk publicly – and candidly – about his unusual weight issues leading up to the fight, the beating itself and his plans.

A bit overwhelmed by the decision he faces, he said he’s leaning toward retirement but hasn’t made up his mind.

De La Hoya said he knew he was in trouble from the opening bell and felt helpless in the seventh and penultimate round, when Pacquiao, too quick and too good, battered him so mercilessly that he had to grab the upper rope to remain upright.

At one point in the seventh, he said, he hoped Pacquiao would knock him out because “I felt like my hands were tied behind my back.”

“That’s where I thought, ‘Go ahead (Manny) and land something strong and hard right on the button so you can knock me out and take me out of my misery.’ That’s how I felt at the moment.”

Going into the fight, such a thing was unthinkable. De La Hoya, a future Hall of Famer who had never taken a bad beating in the ring, was deemed by most experts too big and strong for a fighter who started his career as a flyweight.

However, it became clear that something was amiss when he gained only two pounds between the weigh-in Friday and fight time. Pacquiao actually outweighed De La Hoya, a one-time middleweight who was fighting at 147 pounds for the first time since 2001.

Most observers point to De La Hoya’s high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet as the culprit. He was below 147 more than a month before the fight when typically a fighter weighs much more than the limit, tapers down as the fight approaches and then regains some weight after the weigh in.

De La Hoya, 36, remains baffled by the weight issues but said there were times, looking back, when he didn’t eat as much as he should have and now wonders whether he consumed too much protein and not enough carbs.

He also likened himself to Roy Jones Jr. and Chris Byrd, two other aging fighters who tried to drop down in weight, were depleted come fight time and were unable to perform as they hoped they would.

“I just don’t understand it,” said De La Hoya, who refuses to blame fitness trainer Rob Garcia (as some have) or anyone else. “… I almost hit 141 a month before the fight. It was really mind boggling to me. Now, thinking about it, it obviously had to play a role in what happened.

“I have to admit that I wanted to prove I could make 147 pounds, that I could be light and still feel good and strong, so there were times I didn’t eat as much as I should have. I did come in too light and it was a huge mistake.

“A fighter should only be at weight for the five minutes of the weigh in,” he continued. “That’s an advantage I gave away, the strength and size advantage. I should’ve gained six, seven pounds.”

Still, De La Hoya said he felt fine physically when he stepped into the ring. It was after the opening bell, when the fighters started throwing punches and “I felt like I was walking in quicksand,” that he knew it could be a long night.

He said he has watched a tape of the fight more than a dozen times and still can’t believe he was so outclassed.

“Once the (opening) bell rang, I believe I threw a left hook to his body,” De La Hoya said. “He made a noise like, ‘That really hurt.’ After that, he was wide open, there for me to hit. I just couldn’t do anything. Right there I started feeling like, ‘Wow, this doesn’t feel the same; I don’t feel like myself.

“Then, when he started landing punches at will, something happened in my mind. It was as if I said to myself, ‘You know what, it’s just not going to happen tonight. I felt as if he could just land anything and I couldn’t do anything about it.

“It kind of felt like I just didn’t care because I couldn’t do anything about it. … Luckily, he didn’t hit hard. If he did, he would have knocked me out no problem.”

The seventh round was the most dramatic. Pacquiao landed at will the entire fight but raised his level of intensity that round, battering the proud six-weight-class world titleholder against the ropes as the crowd sat stunned.

That’s when De La Hoya grabbed the rope and wished to himself that Pacquiao would finish the job.

“I couldn’t throw (punches) back,” he said, “I just couldn’t throw back. In my mind, I saw openings. I thought Manny Pacquiao was there for the taking but I just couldn’t throw back.

“I don’t know. Freddie Roach [Pacquiao’s trainer] was sure … that I couldn’t pull the trigger any more. I guess he was right.”

After the eighth round, in which De La Hoya continued to take punishment, it became obvious that he had a decision to make: Do I continue to take a beating in front of a sell-out crowd and millions of viewers on television or do what no fighter ever wants to do: quit.

De La Hoya’s decision? He didn’t make one.

“I was sitting there in the corner,” he said. “… A fighter always wants to continue; that’s the bottom line. A fighter always wants to continue; a fighter is always proud. But I had my brother (Joel) there. I could hear my wife Millie. I could see (Golden Boy Promotions CEO) Richard (Schaefer) with a white towel in my corner ready to throw it in.

“After seeing all that, when the referee is asking, ‘Can you continue? Can you continue?’ I just wasn’t responsive. I left it up to my corner. I guess the actions of my brother and everyone else was enough so the ref stopped it.

“I just froze,” he continued. “If they would’ve told me to continue, obviously, I would’ve continued to take my beating. … It’s difficult to quit, especially when you’re a fighter. You can’t quit. It’s the last thing on your mind. I just felt, ‘You know what, it’s fine if I continue to take my beating here.’ Like I said, I’m probably lucky he didn’t hit hard. It could’ve been a lot worse.”

De La Hoya had said repeatedly beforehand that “I HAVE to win this fight,” implying that to do otherwise against such a naturally small man – even one with incredible talent – would be humiliating.

As we know, that’s exactly what happened. He had withstood the strength and fury of such opponents as Ike Quartey, Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas but was rendered helpless by a man who had fought at 130 pounds only two fights earlier.

And it happened in front of the world. After the opening bell and before the fight ended, he had no place to hide.

“It was devastating,” he said. “I’m over it now but it was devastating. I was embarrassed. That was the worst part of it, the embarrassment. It was hard for me the first couple of weeks to show my face anywhere. I just didn’t know how people would react to me. When I started running into people, though, random people in the street or when I played golf somewhere, they’re telling me, ‘Hey champ. You’re still the champ. You’ve done so much. One fight doesn’t make you or break you.’

“I was like, ‘Wow.’ It makes you feel good. It doesn’t erase everything that happened that night but it gives you back your dignity.

“ … I kept telling myself that some of the greatest fighters ever ended up taking a beating at the end of their careers, like Leonard, Ali, even Tyson. That gave me reassurance in an odd way. I thought, “If they went out that way, then maybe it’s not so bad. I can keep my head up.”

Now what?

De La Hoya said most of those closest to him are urging him to retire. Others, including his father, Joel Sr., are insisting that he wasn’t himself that night and should continue fighting at a heavier weight.

He said he’s leaning toward retirement but goes back and forth.

“It’s been a very confusing few months,” he said. “I haven’t been able to come up with a definitive answer. I’m still not set on what I want to do. … It’s difficult to accept on one hand that my career could be over but that I could also just decide to fight again. … I can understand fighters not wanting to retire because of the love of the game. That’s what I’m feeling now. I love boxing, although I’m in an unusual position. I have something to fall back on and can still be involved in boxing. I’m talking about Golden Boy Promotions.

“I’ve been married to boxing since I was 5 years old, though. It’s hard to break away from it. … I’m going to continue to think about. I hope that one day I wake up and have that answer. And I’m hoping sooner than later. Obviously, the last fight said a lot … that maybe I just turned old over night. I never would’ve thought that would happen to me. That’s why I’m learning toward retirement. My closest ones are telling me to retire. But then you have all the questions that you have to answer and other opinions.

“People say, ‘Look what Shane did (against Antonio Margarito). Look what Bernard (Hopkins) did (against Kelly Pavlik). Maybe it was just Pacquaio’s style. You think, ‘Well, what if I fought a guy like Margarito, who will be right in front of me and easy to hit?

“There’s a lot to think about.”

I think he comes out of that very well, very honest, & doesn't try to gloss it over & blame others. Surprised that he gave such a deep interview on it, but credit to him for that.

Well, I'm guessing the Pac-fans will mob this thread now :-\

Wow, that was as honest as anyone could be. Pure class from Oscar. I kinda feel for him cause that has to be one of the hardest things hes had to deal with and I think hes smart for taking time to think things over and let it sink in. I hope he does realize that that one fight doesnt define him and he was an excellent fighter and champion. Hats off to him.

All due respect to Oscar for his honesty here, but someone has to take the blame for being 141lb 1 month before the fight!!
Now i am no expert in this field as i am trying to lose my own soft belly, but my personal trainer tells me all the time to balance things out and do not try and lose to much weight to quickly. Oscar De La Hoya has been a professional boxer for 14 years! He has had access to the best trainers, dietitians and medical people money can buy, how did this happen? Who was advising him? did he listen to them? Something is not right about this and i cannot believe that someone with the experience of De La Hoya who we all know trains exceptionally hard and is a dedicated figter allowed this to happen and cause him to lose in such an embarrasing fashion.

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All due respect to Oscar for his honesty here, but someone has to take the blame for being 141lb 1 month before the fight!!
Now i am no expert in this field as i am trying to lose my own soft belly, but my personal trainer tells me all the time to balance things out and do not try and lose to much weight to quickly. Oscar De La Hoya has been a professional boxer for 14 years! He has had access to the best trainers, dietitians and medical people money can buy, how did this happen? Who was advising him? did he listen to them? Something is not right about this and i cannot believe that someone with the experience of De La Hoya who we all know trains exceptionally hard and is a dedicated figter allowed this to happen and cause him to lose in such an embarrasing fashion.

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I think that he wasnt taking in enough carbs and his body didnt have much to burn. Not enough fuel, which im sure contributed to him not being able to do anything in the fight. I think every fighter has a weight that if you go below, your garbage, and I think that weight for Oscar is 150. Anything below that is a danger zone. Im also surprised that his nutritionist didnt make sure he was at around 155 up to about two weeks before the fight. He peaked way too early imo and then crashed.

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All due respect to Oscar for his honesty here, but someone has to take the blame for being 141lb 1 month before the fight!!
Now i am no expert in this field as i am trying to lose my own soft belly, but my personal trainer tells me all the time to balance things out and do not try and lose to much weight to quickly. Oscar De La Hoya has been a professional boxer for 14 years! He has had access to the best trainers, dietitians and medical people money can buy, how did this happen? Who was advising him? did he listen to them? Something is not right about this and i cannot believe that someone with the experience of De La Hoya who we all know trains exceptionally hard and is a dedicated figter allowed this to happen and cause him to lose in such an embarrasing fashion.

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I think that he wasnt taking in enough carbs and his body didnt have much to burn. Not enough fuel, which im sure contributed to him not being able to do anything in the fight. I think every fighter has a weight that if you go below, your garbage, and I think that weight for Oscar is 150. Anything below that is a danger zone. Im also surprised that his nutritionist didnt make sure he was at around 155 up to about two weeks before the fight. He peaked way too early imo and then crashed.

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I agree, getting down to 141lb a month before the fight is simply crazy considering he has been fighting at 154-160lb for 7 years. Something went horribly wrong and really you have to point the finger at Oscar himself, surely someone was telling him this, nutrionists, medico's etc, my guess is he ignored their advice and paid the penalty.

Not to take anything away from Pac, because we all know the guy is a monster, but that was a weightdrained Oscar that night. I can't believe he was 141lbs a month before the fight.

Was smart for him to stay on the stool and call it a night, or a career w/e.

A very honest interview indeed. I was one of the few who actually could have cared less about that fight in the 1st place. The only thing that it was good for was a springboard for Pacquiao. I believe Oscars pride will keep him in the game a little while longer because I am pretty sure he does not want to be remembered for that fight even though he has accomplished so much in his career. The rumor has it that a possible J.C Chavez JR. fight might be on the horizon. That might be a good going out fight for the old dog (Oscar) or we welcome the next generation much like the way Oscar beat Juniors old man over a decade ago.

That was a good, candid interview. I know I get on his case sometimes, but props to him for being so open.

Not surprising to see a candid interview from a class guy like Oscar. I just hope he retires now. He has been a great ambassador for boxing and a great warrior/champion in the ring. Too many hang around too long.

I am a bit surprised to hear him relate how tough it was to swallow. Afterall it was him that beat the great Julio Ceasar Chavez into retirement.

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I agree with Oscar... it's embarassing...

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I think he comes out of that very well, very honest, & doesn't try to gloss it over & blame others. Surprised that he gave such a deep interview on it, but credit to him for that.

Well, I'm guessing the Pac-fans will mob this thread now :-\

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There's a little bit of the boxer's bravado there. He doesn't attribute anything to what Manny did right, but rather what he did wrong. The truth is Oscar may have been in trouble even if his game may have been off. He said Manny grunted from a left hook in the first? Then why was Manny a punching machine throughout the fight? I'll buy Oscar's weight being an issue, but that is only half the equation. Manny was severely underestimated.

I dunno the article was ok, nothing wrong in what he said but I still sense the narcisissim and self importance of the man. He just comes across to me as a man who simply loves to talk about himself.

He'll go into great depths and be very outwardly humble and even agree with Freddie in that 'I can't pull the trigger any more' but he explains things in such a ways as to assume we will all go 'Ah the great Oscar, see how humble and dignified he is.......'

It honestly wouldn't suprise me much if he actually does own a solid gold halo, custom made with his name engraved on it, and that he polishes and wears at home.

I can picture him in a white toga, obviously with golden thread and stitching, reclining on a lounger by his beautiful indoor pool, halo in place, Millie, lying in a lounger next to him resplendent looking in a beautiful Cleopatra type outfit both with hand servants massaging their feet and feeding them grapes whilst a few disciples recite the from the De La Hoya autobiography: American Son, My Story. :jesus:

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I dunno the article was ok, nothing wrong in what he said but I still sense the narcisissim and self importance of the man. He just comes across to me as a man who simply loves to talk about himself.

He'll go into great depths and be very outwardly humble and even agree with Freddie in that 'I can't pull the trigger any more' but he explains things in such a ways as to assume we will all go 'Ah the great Oscar, see how humble and dignified he is.......'

It honestly wouldn't suprise me much if he actually does own a solid gold halo, custom made with his name engraved on it, and that he polishes and wears at home.

I can picture him in a white toga, obviously with golden thread and stitching, reclining on a lounger by his beautiful indoor pool, halo in place, Millie, lying in a lounger next to him resplendent looking in a beautiful Cleopatra type outfit both with hand servants massaging their feet and feeding them grapes whilst a few disciples recite the from the De La Hoya autobiography: American Son, My Story. :jesus:

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Funny stuff, Mr Baggins! ;D

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I agree with Oscar... it's embarassing...

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You think?

http://i43.tinypic.com/20go5d2.jpg

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I hope he does not retire and he fights Miguel Cotto.

;D

I wonder how Chino would feel about that fight?

lol ;D

Win or Lose, Oscar always shows class. I'll always respect him for that!

As far as stepping back into the ring goes... It's like a relationship that just don't fit anymore. He needs 'really get over it!' and move on.... Of course he can play the money game and look for guys in the newly formed senior boxing class but that's another thing. Yea, he's in it for the money, but tell me who wouldn't be...

I for one think that Oscar has earned his place in boxing history and deserves every bit of respect. Even facing further embarrassment he finds the 'smart' thing to do and quit. He has given more to boxing than he realizes and more than others realize as well. When he officially retires, I'm sure there will be an astute writer or boxing historian that will lay out the impact that GPP has made for many fighters. Time will have to pass before we can tell how much of an impact he has made to the evolution of boxing as a sport.

Remarkable, he used two months to put into words a justification, as to why his loss to Pacquiao was of no consequence to his inferior talent failing miserably against to those of Pacquiao's, the man who thoroughly beat him.

And, it too is quite remarkable, how just after the beating administered by Pacquiao on him, and despite how badly his bruised lips were, Hoya was able to energetically and with abandon, kiss Pacquiao's ass in the post fight interview with Merchant, if people can still remember the aftermath of the fight.

Boy! The man knows what to say that people want to hear, and he has the skill to do so, cleverly veiled in such a way, it comes out anything but insincere.

The interview is BS. Pure excrementally valued for content.

The man is saying that he quit, not because it was the only way he will walk away from the fight without incurring permanent physical disability from the destruction that his opponent easily inflicted on him. Rather, it was made "for him" by people that cared, albeit unknown to them, that he actually did not care, for the other guy lacked the power to hurt him. This was his message unveiled, unmasked. Pure baloney!

He did not need those two months, because "he" can throw any thought out there in public, in the open and...it will be heard and bought! The skill is remarkable, but not atop the ring!

Anyone will buy it all they want cause Oscar dela Hoya is in their heads anyway, waiting to tell them what they want to hear! Anytime they need to hear it!

So are you telling me Kan that he is the same Oscar he was when he fought Mosley and Trinidad and that it was not odd at all the weight he was come fight night just to ask love to hear what you have to say about because from what your saying it seems you think it was a peak Oscar.

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Remarkable, he used two months to put into words a justification, as to why his loss to Pacquiao was of no consequence to his inferior talent failing miserably against to those of Pacquiao's, the man who thoroughly beat him.

And, it too is quite remarkable, how just after the beating administered by Pacquiao on him, and despite how badly his bruised lips were, Hoya was able to energetically and with abandon, kiss Pacquiao's ass in the post fight interview with Merchant, if people can still remember the aftermath of the fight.

Boy! The man knows what to say that people want to hear, and he has the skill to do so, cleverly veiled in such a way, it comes out anything but insincere.

The interview is BS. Pure excrementally valued for content.

The man is saying that he quit, not because it was the only way he will walk away from the fight without incurring permanent physical disability from the destruction that his opponent easily inflicted on him. Rather, it was made "for him" by people that cared, albeit unknown to them, that he actually did not care, for the other guy lacked the power to hurt him. This was his message unveiled, unmasked. Pure baloney!

He did not need those two months, because "he" can throw any thought out there in public, in the open and...it will be heard and bought! The skill is remarkable, but not atop the ring!

Anyone will buy it all they want cause Oscar dela Hoya is in their heads anyway, waiting to tell them what they want to hear! Anytime they need to hear it!

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Always nice to see someone else who doesn't fall for Oscar's fake charms and empty smile.

I'm sure if the stories of reptilian ancestary amongst some of the world's most significant families is true that Oscar will be one of those with cold blood for sure.

You can almost sense the cruel merciless glare of death behind those red brown eyes, and I'm sure behind that Hollywood smile lies a deadly forked tongue.

Maybe the corner had to pull him out in case the mask literally fell off who knows?

True my thoughts might sound like the rantings of a certified crazy who is locked up in a room 24/7, never sees daylight and masturbates furiously every day whilst reading passages from the Bible but what's important here is that I believe them to be true.

Biblo never got what you and Miles see in Oscar that i dont like what you just said about him might been some what joke as well but i just dont see him that way growing up i watch Holyfeild, Mosley and Oscar and i might just see them through rose colored glasses and might want to think there not fake or used substances they should not have but i guess they may have had there faults still love to see them fight though and just dont understand people dislike for them i not fan of Calzaghe but at the same i dont think he is a fake con man but i dont have the imagenation you must have because that was one hell of a post i rep you just because i dont agree with you but i did find it funny to read though.

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I dunno the article was ok, nothing wrong in what he said but I still sense the narcisissim and self importance of the man. He just comes across to me as a man who simply loves to talk about himself.

He'll go into great depths and be very outwardly humble and even agree with Freddie in that 'I can't pull the trigger any more' but he explains things in such a ways as to assume we will all go 'Ah the great Oscar, see how humble and dignified he is.......'

It honestly wouldn't suprise me much if he actually does own a solid gold halo, custom made with his name engraved on it, and that he polishes and wears at home.

I can picture him in a white toga, obviously with golden thread and stitching, reclining on a lounger by his beautiful indoor pool, halo in place, Millie, lying in a lounger next to him resplendent looking in a beautiful Cleopatra type outfit both with hand servants massaging their feet and feeding them grapes whilst a few disciples recite the from the De La Hoya autobiography: American Son, My Story. :jesus:

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You said it very well master Bilbo. I just can't accept his reasons why he was battered easily by Pac. It was as if he's saying that anybody can do that to him that night. Why can't he just admit that Pac was great that night. He was custom-made for Pac's style and he couldn't cope up with Pac, he lost hope early in the fight and Pac took advantage of it. End of story.

I can sense a malicious script in what he said and I can feel that there's no humility in there.:-\

You Philipinos cant have much else to worry about, Oscar lost, Manny wan, there it is, be happy.

Oscar isnt saying it wasnt him that quit, hes saying that hes gald his corner stopped it because he wanted to but didnt want to look a pussy by saying it himself, this way he didnt ask, his corner did and he didnt have to go through with another round of Manny hitting him at will.

Thats the other thing, I notice the people with Manny in their avatar or a Philipino flag keep saying how Manny beat him "easy", this is why its odd because Oscar has never been beaten easy, hes a tough bloke, can take a good dig and all of a sudden hes dropping alot of weight and cant do anything.

Its all down to how he fucked his weight up, thats why he was such a favourite going in to the fight because both fighters on good form, Oscar should come out on top, Manny isnt a massive puncher, even at his own weight and he is small and easy to hit, Oscar should have been able to stop him early but he had nothing, Manny had no resistance in front of him but couldnt put Oscar down or stop him, his corner pulled him out.

I hope Manny gets twatted by Hatton now just to annoy all Mannys queer little fans in here, you all talk about what a good win it was so what will you say when Hatton beats him? Will it be congrats to Hatton for beating a fighter who just stopped a legend in the higher weight? Or will it be an excuse?

Id take all the top light welters over Manny, Pauly included and deffinitly, Witter, Bradley, Holt and Torres;)

ross,

you know what? if hatton beats pac, I will give him all the credit. I will not be making excuses.

I will be saying this again. Attributing Pac's win over DLH to weight issue is total disrespect for Pac's talent. Why can't you give what is due to Pac?

Pac beating DLH easily is not easy. Yes, I agree with you that DLH is difficult to beat easily.

That makes Pac one of the greatest boxers of all time.:cool:

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I dunno the article was ok, nothing wrong in what he said but I still sense the narcisissim and self importance of the man. He just comes across to me as a man who simply loves to talk about himself.

He'll go into great depths and be very outwardly humble and even agree with Freddie in that 'I can't pull the trigger any more' but he explains things in such a ways as to assume we will all go 'Ah the great Oscar, see how humble and dignified he is.......'

It honestly wouldn't suprise me much if he actually does own a solid gold halo, custom made with his name engraved on it, and that he polishes and wears at home.

I can picture him in a white toga, obviously with golden thread and stitching, reclining on a lounger by his beautiful indoor pool, halo in place, Millie, lying in a lounger next to him resplendent looking in a beautiful Cleopatra type outfit both with hand servants massaging their feet and feeding them grapes whilst a few disciples recite the from the De La Hoya autobiography: American Son, My Story. :jesus:

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Harsh, but funny! ;D

Personally I see it the other way, I think that article goes some way to restore Oscar's credibilty. He was open and honest and I actually feel a tad sorry for him.

Another positive to take from the interview is that Pac doesn't hit that hard! Granted Oscar is a bigger man than Hatton but it bodes well for Rick that Pac isn't this all powerful super human the Pac fans on here claim.

The naturally bigger men can handle Pac's power!

Oscar really looked very embarassed... :eek:

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Dude, I have never seen Oscar take a beating like that

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I dunno the article was ok, nothing wrong in what he said but I still sense the narcisissim and self importance of the man. He just comes across to me as a man who simply loves to talk about himself.

He'll go into great depths and be very outwardly humble and even agree with Freddie in that 'I can't pull the trigger any more' but he explains things in such a ways as to assume we will all go 'Ah the great Oscar, see how humble and dignified he is.......'

It honestly wouldn't suprise me much if he actually does own a solid gold halo, custom made with his name engraved on it, and that he polishes and wears at home.

I can picture him in a white toga, obviously with golden thread and stitching, reclining on a lounger by his beautiful indoor pool, halo in place, Millie, lying in a lounger next to him resplendent looking in a beautiful Cleopatra type outfit both with hand servants massaging their feet and feeding them grapes whilst a few disciples recite the from the De La Hoya autobiography: American Son, My Story. :jesus:

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Harsh, but funny! ;D

Personally I see it the other way, I think that article goes some way to restore Oscar's credibilty. He was open and honest and I actually feel a tad sorry for him.

Another positive to take from the interview is that Pac doesn't hit that hard! Granted Oscar is a bigger man than Hatton but it bodes well for Rick that Pac isn't this all powerful super human the Pac fans on here claim.

The naturally bigger men can handle Pac's power!

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Trust me all of his soul searching and questioning whether he can pull the trigger any more, the public self doubt etc, the feelings that he should retire becuase he's shot is all complete and utter BULLSHIT!!!

He's already hyping his next fight, he wants us once again to all see how afraid and confused Saint Oscar is, the doubt in Himself, the doubt in His God, just like Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane.

He'll toil with us for a while, his brow furrowed, that anguished, uncertain look on his face, ooh the soul searching.

Then he'll take a very public canoe trip to some little island, or he'll climb a mountain and spend a few days up in the clouds in some small hut telling us he's going there to think and ponder his future.

We'll all think he's up there deep in thought, whereas in actual fact he'll be poncing around in ladies dresses, make up and his halo, looking at himself in the mirror going 'Ain't you the sexy one girlfriend!!' and laughing to Himself at the news reports of his 'should he or shouldn't he fight' predicament.

Stories will trickle down from the mountain, that he's going to quit, he doesn't have it any more, then finally he'll descend.

He'll come out with a 'shock' announcement that he's going to fight on but at junior middleweight. He'll look for the winner of Pacquaio Hatton, and drag them all the way up to 154 lbs for a 'fair' fight, and the adoring public will pay millions and give him another record breaking PPV.

It's all so entirely predictable and that's why I fucking hate Oscar. He's a cash cow, boxing is his Golden Goose and he is the Golden Boy, he knows he can still make millions more as a fighter yet and even embarassingly one sided beatdowns won't disuade his brain washed fans from stumping up more of their hard earned cash and filling the gold stitched trim pockets of Oscar the Great Deceiver.

Kan and Bilbo, Oscar has been boxing his entire life. He was elite in the amateurs, he was elite in the pros. Hes had many wars with to fighters and was always competitive. After 30 years of being in the ring, hundreds of amateur fights, many pro fights, a lot of them 12 rounders why is it so hard to believe that after taking a beating at the very end of his career all his reasons arent valid. For all those people who think Oscar is a phony, anyone who gets in the ring, as soon as that bell rings everything is on the table and with Oscar you always saw an honest fighter. He gave Manny his dues, what else is he supposed to do? Make a public apperarace wearing a Manny Pacquiao T-shirt and waving a Phillipino flag and proclaim that Manny is the greatest of time and he would have got his @ss whooped in his prime too and hes never fought anyone that hit as hard as Manny? Sometimes I wonder if certain fighters can ever be appreciated by some people no matter what they do.

Well i give pac his credit but people act like pac beat a prime Oscar and that to me i dont think is realistic like saying that Lito Torrecampo and Medgoen Singsurat beat a prime pac which i dont think was the case and for people saying weight was not a big deal tell me how it was health for a man to come in to weight he was not fought at for god knows how long going from weight in 160s to weight 145 and only gaing a few pounds come fight night that does not seem weird to anyone on this forum.

Good honest interview, ODH should have taken a bigger beating for the fans.

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

Remarkable, he used two months to put into words a justification, as to why his loss to Pacquiao was of no consequence to his inferior talent failing miserably against to those of Pacquiao's, the man who thoroughly beat him.

And, it too is quite remarkable, how just after the beating administered by Pacquiao on him, and despite how badly his bruised lips were, Hoya was able to energetically and with abandon, kiss Pacquiao's ass in the post fight interview with Merchant, if people can still remember the aftermath of the fight.

Boy! The man knows what to say that people want to hear, and he has the skill to do so, cleverly veiled in such a way, it comes out anything but insincere.

The interview is BS. Pure excrementally valued for content.

The man is saying that he quit, not because it was the only way he will walk away from the fight without incurring permanent physical disability from the destruction that his opponent easily inflicted on him. Rather, it was made "for him" by people that cared, albeit unknown to them, that he actually did not care, for the other guy lacked the power to hurt him. This was his message unveiled, unmasked. Pure baloney!

He did not need those two months, because "he" can throw any thought out there in public, in the open and...it will be heard and bought! The skill is remarkable, but not atop the ring!

Anyone will buy it all they want cause Oscar dela Hoya is in their heads anyway, waiting to tell them what they want to hear! Anytime they need to hear it!

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Of course he did.... the time brings birth to empathy because people forget. It's a game and I agree he has developed skills of a master salesman. The premise is laid out for Mosley/Hoya III it's a gentle feeler to see if the paying public will buy into it. Had De La Hoya come out a week after the fight and said this, he'd risk many fans losing the sympathy they had for him. It's about Perception & Image and the goal is another payday.

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Good honest interview, ODH should have taken a bigger beating for the fans.

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You must mean for Pac fans. I dont think any Oscar fan, myself included, wanted to see him take a bigger beating.

Pacquiao was hitting line drives and the like, for six or seven rounds, he was not hitting him with haymakers, that is the reason why Hoya did not get KO'ed.

Much like the Diaz fight, a good portion of the early rounds were spent softening the target, that being Hoya. When the time came when the target no longer functioned aggressively to launch an offensive, relegated to a shred of a fighter, one dimensionally defensive, then the second phase kicked in.

The second phase was to batter into submission the soft target with haymakers, whilst it cowers in fear. Submissive to the fullest, the target is like livestock queued and ready for slaughter!

Turns out the Hoya camp need not see the second phase to be convinced of the futility of their endeavor. They've seen it before, they've seen the pattern, and the outcome from their conqueror's previous fight.

Credit to them that they are knowledgable enough to take their lumps, pack up, and fight another day!

Is it not, that that was what happened?

To say that the guy punches without power is to equally suggest, not to give due credit to the man for the win.

It was more his undoing than Pacquiao's doing.

Isn't it hypocritical, for right after the fight in the Merchant interview, he heaved all the praises at Pac, said all the right things, overdone to the point where it became uncomfortable to the later, only to come out two months after, stating that Pac couldn't punch.

Totally discrediting Pacquiao, and likewise, totally discrediting the victor.

In this scenario alone, all the others not in question, is Hoya a hypocrite? Guilty! Death by a thousand left straights!

You do go on :blahbla:

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Kan and Bilbo, Oscar has been boxing his entire life. He was elite in the amateurs, he was elite in the pros. Hes had many wars with to fighters and was always competitive. After 30 years of being in the ring, hundreds of amateur fights, many pro fights, a lot of them 12 rounders why is it so hard to believe that after taking a beating at the very end of his career all his reasons arent valid. For all those people who think Oscar is a phony, anyone who gets in the ring, as soon as that bell rings everything is on the table and with Oscar you always saw an honest fighter. He gave Manny his dues, what else is he supposed to do? Make a public apperarace wearing a Manny Pacquiao T-shirt and waving a Phillipino flag and proclaim that Manny is the greatest of time and he would have got his @ss whooped in his prime too and hes never fought anyone that hit as hard as Manny? Sometimes I wonder if certain fighters can ever be appreciated by some people no matter what they do.

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Very well stated. I agree.

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ross,

you know what? if hatton beats pac, I will give him all the credit. I will not be making excuses.

I will be saying this again. Attributing Pac's win over DLH to weight issue is total disrespect for Pac's talent. Why can't you give what is due to Pac?

Pac beating DLH easily is not easy. Yes, I agree with you that DLH is difficult to beat easily.

That makes Pac one of the greatest boxers of all time.:cool:

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And if pac beats hatton easily, we know oscar's excuses are bullshit.

Er, no

If Hatton beats Pac, its because Hatton should beat a smaller fighter and Ricky is strong at this weight.